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| 01:01.11 | IriX64 | I'm playing around here :) http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/bldg391.png |
| 01:25.16 | IriX64 | I know you guys don't do windows, but did anybody try that windowsirssi.zip, it's the unix code. |
| 01:26.16 | IriX64 | no perl, but still, not bad |
| 01:37.03 | IriX64 | I deleted it doh wait |
| 01:40.27 | IriX64 | windowsirssi-0.8.11.zip |
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| 06:30.10 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: The navigation in the psd image you sent me is different to that of the sitemap.txt - which should I be basing the navigation on? |
| 07:01.50 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: not exactly |
| 07:02.04 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: look at the second line |
| 07:03.17 | brlcad | it would probably start out with no tabs depressed (as that's "Home" and where the logo takes you) |
| 07:05.52 | brlcad | the other categories will still be a part of the site, just not necessarily on the "titlebar menu" .. the sitemap would probably be hidden down below for example, no need to have that up front and center |
| 07:16.05 | brlcad | yeah, probably should have explained that earlier -- those two lines up top starting with Home were two main menus i was pondering over, the rest below are sections of the site and what goes into each section. some sections are best as blocks that lead to sections, others are menu items, others can be tiny links/sections/items/whatever just reachable from somewhere |
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| 10:50.48 | IriX64 | Laniakea: http://irix32.apaces.live.com/photos |
| 10:51.22 | IriX64 | err http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos |
| 10:55.15 | Laniakea | IriX64: did you render the pictures yourself? |
| 10:55.27 | IriX64 | no those are from twibright |
| 10:55.49 | IriX64 | err the other albumn is done here |
| 10:56.03 | Laniakea | IriX64: are you a brl-cad developer? |
| 10:56.17 | IriX64 | i don't draw though those are all examples included in brl-cad |
| 10:56.31 | IriX64 | heh me no, i just play |
| 10:57.08 | IriX64 | try http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos |
| 10:58.24 | IriX64 | somebody gave me a little goody to do hex bolts, wait i'll upload it |
| 11:00.15 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2 it'd called hex.c |
| 11:00.19 | IriX64 | it's too |
| 11:03.17 | IriX64 | works i think |
| 11:05.26 | IriX64 | Laniakea, you asked me, now i'll ask you, are you a brl-cad developer? |
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| 11:42.15 | Laniakea | IriX64: no I'm not |
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| 12:13.45 | poolio | mornin |
| 12:14.13 | IriX64 | morning poolio |
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| 12:51.03 | poolio | brlcad: I could use a pointer or two when you get back |
| 13:11.28 | brlcad | poolio: sure, what's up? |
| 13:12.10 | poolio | brlcad: I'm trying to work out how I'm going to store the geometry trees/modify/save/crossover/etc... |
| 13:12.51 | brlcad | lots of ways to do it.. |
| 13:12.58 | poolio | I see that you can use db_walk_tree to get each geometry item from a combination, but is there a way to preserve the order? |
| 13:13.20 | poolio | brlcad: yes I know, I can't really decide. I was hoping to just use the internal trees and have to use say a red-black or other binary tree |
| 13:14.03 | poolio | My main issue is somehow extracting the internal graph (i think it was?) into a tree form that I can easily modify |
| 13:22.51 | poolio | So I basically I want to work with rt_*_internal as leaf nodes, and whatever the internal operator structure is for the other nodes |
| 13:26.15 | brlcad | poolio: hmmm |
| 13:26.35 | brlcad | well for starters, you hopefully saw the tree structures in raytrace.h |
| 13:27.06 | poolio | Yeah |
| 13:27.16 | brlcad | rt_comb_internal's (i.e. combination objects()) have a union tree * in them (called tree) that is their hierarchy |
| 13:27.22 | poolio | I've looked around with db_walk_tree, but that isn't what I want, although I might write my own version |
| 13:28.19 | brlcad | I mean just the containers that already exist |
| 13:28.44 | poolio | what? |
| 13:28.51 | brlcad | union tree * in particular, which is what most of the code uses internally for the tree structure |
| 13:29.16 | poolio | oh alright, and are there functions to traverse that tree other than db_walk_tree? |
| 13:29.53 | brlcad | yeah, there are like three or four ways to walk |
| 13:30.26 | poolio | oh alright. and are there implemented functions for copying subparts of one tree to another? |
| 13:30.28 | brlcad | db_functree() is another |
| 13:30.54 | poolio | Oh wow. I somehow missed db_walk.c |
| 13:31.52 | brlcad | yeah, that's a good file as well as db_comb.c |
| 13:32.12 | brlcad | routines like db_flatten_tree() might be of use |
| 13:32.15 | poolio | ok. So I'm going to try to keep it in a union tree and modify it from there |
| 13:32.19 | poolio | what's that do? |
| 13:32.43 | brlcad | flattens the tree and puts all the elements into an array |
| 13:32.49 | poolio | in what order? |
| 13:33.00 | brlcad | jeez, I don't remember :) |
| 13:33.06 | poolio | ok ok. I'll have a looksy |
| 13:33.21 | brlcad | preorder traversal if I had to guess |
| 13:35.17 | poolio | and it should always be tree_db_leaf in my case? |
| 13:35.48 | brlcad | ? |
| 13:36.08 | poolio | the type of node for the tree? |
| 13:36.13 | poolio | I think it is, oh well, I shall see. |
| 13:37.19 | brlcad | no no, it's still the whole tree, but stored in a (more) simple array container |
| 13:37.38 | brlcad | so you could iterate over all tree elements without actually worrying about traversing the tree |
| 13:37.52 | poolio | wait, what ar eyou referencing? |
| 13:38.11 | brlcad | i'm not saying that's the way to go, you'd have to figure out what the order was to see if it could be used directly for cross-over for example |
| 13:38.26 | brlcad | was talking about flatten tree |
| 13:38.34 | poolio | oh yeah, I think I'm going to avoid using it |
| 13:38.46 | poolio | It'd be easiest of I could just keep the tree structure and just work off of that |
| 13:42.03 | brlcad | you should be able to I'd think |
| 13:42.42 | poolio | Yeah thanks, I was just a bit overwhelmed :P |
| 13:42.58 | brlcad | count nodes in A, count nodes in B, pick crossover points for both, swap the links in their respective union tree's, write out the new trees |
| 13:44.33 | poolio | I don't see why you need to count nodes, but it's simple enough |
| 13:45.59 | brlcad | strictly speaking you don't |
| 13:46.11 | brlcad | just one means to "pick a crossover point" |
| 13:46.34 | poolio | yep. hopefully I'll get a chance to try some of the many ways to do each thing |
| 13:46.40 | brlcad | rand from 0 to the node count or something |
| 13:47.37 | poolio | does union tree store any info about it's internal state? like # of nodes, or anything? |
| 13:50.04 | brlcad | no no, it's just a tree structure |
| 13:50.37 | poolio | db_tree_nleaves() :D |
| 13:51.54 | brlcad | yep, though that's leave nodes only |
| 13:52.00 | brlcad | s/leave/leaf/ |
| 13:53.25 | brlcad | would be pretty simple to add another for counting comb nodes or all nodes |
| 13:54.18 | poolio | well |
| 13:55.03 | poolio | yeah, I'd actually probably count operators, not leaves |
| 14:12.36 | poolio | brlcad: I'm gonna just get the design down on paper, I just need to clear it up in my head before I start coding. I'll be on the porch :) |
| 14:28.56 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Okay, I get it - thanks for the clarification. |
| 14:47.29 | AchiestDragon | http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Brlcad-editor.jpg&oldid=611 hmm? instructions anyone ? |
| 14:49.10 | IriX64 | a thing of beauty :) |
| 14:49.48 | IriX64 | as for instructions i'm outta my depth |
| 14:51.50 | AchiestDragon | well i can desing qt gui's , but still to actual figure out how to get the buttons to actualy link to functioning code |
| 14:53.20 | IriX64 | switch(msg1) { case button1: that type of thing? |
| 14:53.47 | AchiestDragon | i was looking at using pyqt to conver the gui to python code so i can get to link it to other code modules |
| 14:54.10 | IriX64 | man i know nothing about python, sorry |
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| 14:54.37 | AchiestDragon | but there always seems to be eric issues in suse ,and dependancy problems with the python tools for qt |
| 14:55.02 | IriX64 | you have your plate full then |
| 14:56.31 | IriX64 | qt stands for? |
| 14:56.37 | AchiestDragon | well as i need to reinstall i happen to have a spare 80gb sata drive , thinking of puting the alpha version of kde4 and setting it up dual boot so i can get started at learning qt4 |
| 14:57.23 | dtidrow | IriX64: qt is a gui library |
| 14:57.27 | AchiestDragon | http://trolltech.com/products/qt |
| 14:57.34 | dtidrow | yeah, that one ;-) |
| 14:57.38 | IriX64 | I don't play with dual boot anymore, learned my lesson |
| 14:57.45 | AchiestDragon | its what kde is written in |
| 14:57.51 | dtidrow | pure linux now, eh? ;-) |
| 14:58.44 | AchiestDragon | well dual boot when theres no windos is not realy a problem , and with 2 diferent linux installs its not so bad |
| 14:59.58 | IriX64 | qt=leading edge technology obviously |
| 15:00.08 | IriX64 | i'm of the old school |
| 15:00.27 | IriX64 | in other words i wouldn't know what to do with it :) |
| 15:00.58 | IriX64 | by your standards i'm running a toy system |
| 15:01.30 | AchiestDragon | its rather than using tk |
| 15:02.37 | AchiestDragon | or gtk |
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| 15:02.46 | IriX64_ | rough ride |
| 15:02.59 | IriX64_ | i run windowsxppro with cygwin |
| 15:03.34 | MinuteElectron | IriX64_: You use cygwin. You wouldn't have happened to encounter this error: |
| 15:03.36 | MinuteElectron | configure: creating ./config.status |
| 15:03.37 | MinuteElectron | .infig.status: error: cannot find input file: |
| 15:03.50 | poolio | brlcad: is there a way to extract a tree from a given rt_i? |
| 15:03.58 | dtidrow | I haven't tested it yet, but I'm convinced that you take a heathly hit for doing it that way |
| 15:04.17 | IriX64 | minuteelectron ive never encountered that |
| 15:04.27 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 15:04.37 | IriX64 | log in config.log |
| 15:04.41 | IriX64 | look too |
| 15:04.49 | AchiestDragon | im trying to dich using any M$ product , i now only need windows for 3 applications ,, protel dxp , autocad , and kcam (my cnc software ) |
| 15:05.25 | poolio | brlcad: Ah I think I found it, ugh. Need to stop asking questions and start coding :) |
| 15:05.49 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: ok |
| 15:06.08 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon converting for me would be a learning curve so i get my feet wet here :) |
| 15:07.20 | AchiestDragon | well have been using linux on and of since 1995 but only did a total swich on my main pc's about 4 years ago now , |
| 15:08.16 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, see for you (now) it's easy for me it would be sink or swim although I admit theres rich documentation |
| 15:08.19 | AchiestDragon | i have one machine with win2000 on that i use for protel dxp , and cad stuff , but do eveything else in linux |
| 15:08.24 | dtidrow | gotta head into work - later all... |
| 15:09.29 | IriX64 | pays to have multiple machines, I guess but i'm not privy to the others in this house, they belong to the children :) |
| 15:10.44 | IriX64 | I kind of like what I've got actually, unix high on windows ;) |
| 15:11.07 | AchiestDragon | yes , if it was not for the fact i have windows installed on one machine i would be clustering them |
| 15:11.22 | MinuteElectron | Ha, this is useful the last line of config.log says 'configure: exit 1'. Now that would suggest success... |
| 15:11.48 | IriX64 | errr I think it signifies an error return :) |
| 15:11.59 | IriX64 | brb |
| 15:13.11 | poolio | MinuteElectron: not neccesarily |
| 15:13.51 | MinuteElectron | hmm... |
| 15:14.42 | IriX64 | MinuteElectron does it say failed anywhere |
| 15:16.29 | MinuteElectron | yes 'configure: failed program was: |
| 15:16.31 | MinuteElectron | ' |
| 15:16.45 | MinuteElectron | | /* confdefs.h. */ |
| 15:16.50 | MinuteElectron | hmm, |
| 15:17.16 | IriX64 | check configure.ac |
| 15:17.25 | IriX64 | output stuff |
| 15:17.44 | MinuteElectron | Ok, the same failed linesaying 'confdefs.h' appears several times. |
| 15:18.14 | IriX64 | thats normal i think depending what test it was doing |
| 15:19.07 | IriX64 | back to my compile |
| 15:22.07 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/ZhYegJ57.html <---anybody interested in warnings like these |
| 15:25.39 | poolio | IriX64: Not interested, but it's not good I think. Keep it on file :) |
| 15:36.27 | IriX64 | :) |
| 15:36.38 | IriX64 | i'll fix my copy :) |
| 15:52.37 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon: Is Mr. Chips available in toy version, I know plenty of children who would have a ball with such |
| 15:54.10 | poolio | brlcad: I'm trying to figure out how to extract a struct rt_db_internal and can't seem to figure out how. I've got the soltab and looked through the rt_functab but didn't see anything |
| 16:09.46 | poolio | Or I guess I don't really need rt_db_internal, can I just modify the soltab shape specific data and then write that? |
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| 16:25.06 | poolio | brlcad: hmm, the soltab is just in memory isn't it... |
| 16:34.23 | poolio | mannn.... that was a huge waste of time |
| 16:34.39 | poolio | lunch time |
| 16:43.47 | AchiestDragon | well ok , just about to start reinstalling linux see if i can cure this x problem |
| 17:13.49 | IriX64 | got the guy who wrote hex.c to at least add his first name soproper credit is there. |
| 17:15.57 | IriX64 | I've run it but have no need for bolts here :) |
| 17:52.41 | SuperTaz | heh |
| 17:53.22 | SuperTaz | by a show of hands, who thinks it'd be a nice feature if left clicking a pane in mged activated it... |
| 17:55.27 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: interesting gui mockup -- that entirely using qt? |
| 17:56.17 | AchiestDragon | using kdevelop gui designer |
| 17:56.29 | poolio | brlcad: got a couple minutes? |
| 18:00.13 | brlcad | poolio: sure |
| 18:00.32 | poolio | brlcad: alright, i've been struggling quite a bit this morning :P |
| 18:01.24 | poolio | brlcad: So I first saw that rt_i has all the information I need, so I was looking through that, found the Regions and the soltab and stuff, but then I realized I have no clue how I can then "save" those changes back to a databse file |
| 18:01.26 | brlcad | no problem with that, struggling is when learning happens :P |
| 18:01.35 | poolio | Heh, true |
| 18:02.03 | poolio | So then I was looking at trying to get the rt_db_internal structures and couldn't figure out a way to do that, but just found the wdb_import and looks like I can retrieve shapes by ID |
| 18:02.21 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:02.26 | poolio | But the main thing was writing the changes to a database, and trying to find an internal structure I could use that is easy to work with and modify but also easy to write to a database |
| 18:02.52 | poolio | Like for example, the union trees, they seem easy to work with especially in just swapping pointers to do crossover, but I don't see a way to write those changed trees to a database |
| 18:03.25 | poolio | and with the rt_i it look slike I'd have to have re-run rt_prep for every single shape to get access to the soltab and stuff I need, and I still didn't know how to then export that |
| 18:04.08 | poolio | Then I thought about just using Tcl, there's routines to convert geometry to tcl, then i can modify the tcl string, and then there are routines to execute the tcl string and output it to a databse |
| 18:04.13 | poolio | but that seems awfully inefficient and slow |
| 18:04.38 | poolio | and crossover would be a bit more though in tcl |
| 18:05.33 | brlcad | you'd think it was inefficient, but in the big scheme of things it still isn't a blip |
| 18:05.53 | brlcad | not that I think that's the way to do it .. just saying you shouldn't assume it's not the way because of performance |
| 18:06.29 | poolio | Ok. but I'd still prefer working with the union trees. Those are easy to deal with, although the encapsulation of soltab is kidn fo gone |
| 18:06.30 | brlcad | let me see if I can find an example that helps |
| 18:07.12 | poolio | Yeah that'd be great, I've been browsing through a bunch of examples but I couldn't find any that would work well when directly applied. I was also thinking about keeping things in a wmember list but it looked like going wmember --> tree created a "left-heavy" tree and I had no clue what GIFT schematics were |
| 18:07.17 | poolio | *semantics |
| 18:07.23 | poolio | couldn't find anything on google about those |
| 18:08.14 | brlcad | too generic a term to find info on gift via google ;) |
| 18:08.23 | brlcad | though I'm sure there's something out there |
| 18:08.26 | poolio | well I found what the acronym meant in relation to brl-cad, but still couldnt find it |
| 18:08.41 | brlcad | it's mostly unimportant |
| 18:08.52 | poolio | alright |
| 18:09.03 | brlcad | just a particular way of storing geometry and fields that it needs to keep track of |
| 18:09.06 | poolio | alright |
| 18:09.18 | brlcad | like the GIFTmater string is really just an integer material id |
| 18:09.30 | poolio | well what I really needed help with was finding some way that if I modified the soltab / pointers in a union tree, a way of saving that tree to a new database, and probably copying all the primitives along with it |
| 18:11.04 | poolio | also I'd like to keep the trees in memory in between generatons and not have to re-read the previous database every time |
| 18:11.34 | brlcad | I still have to poke around and make sure, but I can say that to write out geometry you need a primitive |
| 18:12.00 | brlcad | primitives with respect to operators means writing out combinations |
| 18:12.06 | poolio | Well yes sorry |
| 18:12.07 | brlcad | combinations are rt_comb_internal objects |
| 18:12.51 | brlcad | so that's your starting point no matter what in terms of saving geometry unless you recreate a hierarchy from scratch each time using mk_comb |
| 18:13.02 | poolio | alright. so an rt_comb_internal object |
| 18:13.10 | poolio | that's created by mk_lcomb() right? |
| 18:13.35 | poolio | well whatever, I can find that later |
| 18:13.39 | brlcad | mk_lcomb() will make a new one for you .. all the mk_ routines are part of libwdb for creating geometry |
| 18:13.50 | poolio | ok |
| 18:13.57 | brlcad | you're talking about reading an existing, though, and then writing that out, which is not mk_* |
| 18:14.00 | SuperTaz | AchiestDragon: was that image of the editor a mockup, or does it really work? |
| 18:14.10 | yukonbob | poolio: does this make sense to you? |
| 18:14.12 | yukonbob | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_wrapping_algorithm |
| 18:14.34 | yukonbob | s/to you/for what you're doing/ |
| 18:14.34 | poolio | yukonbob: wrong topic I think :P |
| 18:15.04 | AchiestDragon | SuperTaz: its a a proper gui just no code behind the menus or buttons |
| 18:15.12 | poolio | brlcad: Yes. Well I guess I can write that out with wdb_put_internal? |
| 18:15.24 | SuperTaz | is it in Tk? |
| 18:15.38 | AchiestDragon | no qt3.5 |
| 18:15.44 | SuperTaz | oh |
| 18:15.52 | yukonbob | AchiestDragon: do you have a screenshot posted? |
| 18:15.52 | SuperTaz | isn't qt commercial? |
| 18:15.57 | brlcad | poolio: that sounds about right, lemme look |
| 18:16.12 | poolio | that needs an rt_db_internal struct |
| 18:16.52 | brlcad | which is what you get during a lookup |
| 18:16.57 | brlcad | among a variety of places |
| 18:17.04 | brlcad | yeah, wdb_put_internal looks right |
| 18:17.07 | poolio | ok |
| 18:17.14 | AchiestDragon | qt is commertial but is avalable for free use if you use it for gpl code |
| 18:17.32 | poolio | so basically each individual will be an rt_comb_internal, and I'll be able to modify the tree held in that struct, and write it with wdb_put_internal? |
| 18:18.00 | brlcad | poolio: er, sorry, rt_db_get_internal |
| 18:18.10 | brlcad | which takes a directory pointer, which you get during lookup |
| 18:18.35 | poolio | the directory pointer points to the object in the database which is our combination? |
| 18:18.35 | brlcad | you can crack a rt_db_internal to get at the rt_comb_internal it contains when it's a combination |
| 18:19.07 | brlcad | right, just directory pointers don't actually load geometry (for performance), they load basically an index reference |
| 18:19.14 | poolio | yeah alright |
| 18:19.33 | SuperTaz | achiest: but not BSD or LGPL, right? |
| 18:19.49 | AchiestDragon | right |
| 18:20.04 | SuperTaz | what's the current license for mged? isn't it LGPL/BSD hybrid? |
| 18:20.21 | AchiestDragon | but it would not stop a gpl gui frontend beeing written |
| 18:20.28 | SuperTaz | (looks good, btw) |
| 18:20.31 | SuperTaz | no, it wouldn't |
| 18:20.48 | brlcad | not a hybrid, it's lgpl |
| 18:21.02 | SuperTaz | if you build a 4 pane view into it, it'll be even better |
| 18:21.25 | poolio | brlcad: or I could use wdb_import to get the rt_db_internal right? |
| 18:21.27 | brlcad | bsd is the documentation, build system, and data files |
| 18:21.33 | SuperTaz | I'm pondering making some similar changes to mged itself |
| 18:21.52 | brlcad | poolio: probably, I think it just does the two-step for you |
| 18:21.59 | poolio | yeah |
| 18:22.27 | poolio | and the idb_ptr is goign to be the pointer to the rt_comb_internal ? |
| 18:22.33 | poolio | Yeah, looks that way, sweet :) |
| 18:23.07 | brlcad | you can access it directly, but I believe there's a routine you should call to crack it :) |
| 18:23.24 | poolio | wait, what do you mean? |
| 18:23.37 | poolio | The main issue I was having this morning was all the circularly linked pointers to every which structure |
| 18:23.44 | SuperTaz | I'd really like to get a context menu working, get click to activate working, and get the console at the bottom of the window...those 3 would make mged a lot more user-friendly :) |
| 18:24.41 | poolio | brlcad: also, is there a way to duplicate the rt_db_internal structure? |
| 18:25.13 | brlcad | SuperTaz: if you find the code that the menu calls when you ask it to activate a pane, you should be able to add that to the window bindings |
| 18:25.33 | SuperTaz | I'm working on it...I've found the code already |
| 18:25.38 | brlcad | ah, sweet |
| 18:25.42 | SuperTaz | I'm just trying to find the window bindings :) |
| 18:25.50 | SuperTaz | and then figure out how they work :) |
| 18:31.14 | brlcad | if you do, would you let me know? |
| 18:33.03 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: that mockup image is actually kinda familiar .. did you do that several months ago? |
| 18:33.30 | AchiestDragon | no , i did it today |
| 18:35.30 | brlcad | hrm, okay |
| 18:35.34 | brlcad | deja vu |
| 18:37.09 | SuperTaz | heh...I'll let you know once I figure it out |
| 18:37.25 | SuperTaz | I spent an hour last night learning how activation works...it's really pretty simple |
| 18:37.45 | SuperTaz | I just haven't had any time to look at the bindings :) |
| 18:57.35 | poolio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.40 | poolio | errr oops |
| 19:00.56 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: apache changes made |
| 19:25.51 | brlcad | should check for includes now |
| 19:38.34 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: thanks |
| 19:41.43 | SuperTaz | blah |
| 19:41.59 | SuperTaz | I'm trying to see if eclipse will play nice as a tcl/tk editor |
| 19:42.19 | SuperTaz | I still haven't figured out where the bindings are |
| 19:42.43 | SuperTaz | though I'm learning more and more about how mged does what it does |
| 19:45.14 | SuperTaz | I think I understand why I'm not finding this stuff |
| 19:46.36 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: not to interfere, but I noticed the menu and was poking on some values in the style :) |
| 19:46.57 | brlcad | looking good |
| 19:47.00 | brlcad | really good |
| 19:47.18 | brlcad | getting excited to start populating it |
| 19:47.27 | MinuteElectron | dw, I don't mind |
| 19:48.16 | MinuteElectron | I just need to finish the navigation, make some general styling (e.g. the headers and hyperlinks) and add some padding to the main content area. Then it will be good to go, |
| 19:49.43 | poolio | MinuteElectron/brlcad: link? |
| 19:49.51 | MinuteElectron | http://my.brlcad.org |
| 19:50.06 | poolio | oh, it's already _there_ :P |
| 19:50.52 | MinuteElectron | Yeah, installed MediaWiki and Drupal on the server last night and copied the theme across. |
| 19:53.41 | SuperTaz | well, the header is there, at least :) |
| 19:54.09 | SuperTaz | looks good |
| 19:54.57 | MinuteElectron | thxxs |
| 19:55.04 | MinuteElectron | most of the work was brlcad though. |
| 19:55.21 | SuperTaz | ahhh, well, it still looks good :) |
| 19:55.35 | brlcad | was not, I just photoshopped a little -- that's the easy part |
| 19:55.44 | SuperTaz | of course, the rest of the template still need to be done :) |
| 19:55.44 | brlcad | turning that into css is the bear |
| 19:55.50 | brlcad | poolio: keep whining :) |
| 19:56.08 | brlcad | but that won't go so far, effort speaks louder than words :) |
| 19:56.22 | brlcad | mock up a better menu :) |
| 19:56.43 | SuperTaz | I won't complain about the navbar, simply because I haven't seen what the body is going to look like |
| 19:56.57 | poolio | brlcad: Yeah, I'm kind of busy ;) |
| 19:57.12 | SuperTaz | once I see the content area, I'll weigh in on design ;) |
| 19:57.24 | SuperTaz | but the header still looks good ;) |
| 19:57.26 | brlcad | me too, and I like it .. so without something better, it's the winner |
| 19:58.12 | brlcad | SuperTaz: quite true |
| 19:58.23 | brlcad | the header is only one piece of a much bigger design |
| 19:58.41 | brlcad | there's still the overall look/feel, how blocks look, the content area, the footer |
| 19:58.46 | SuperTaz | yes, and I'm not going to judge until I've seen more...then I'll weigh in on usability, aesthetics, etc. |
| 19:59.46 | SuperTaz | despite popular belief, aesthetics are a significant part of usability, at least if you evaluate it based on cognition |
| 20:00.44 | SuperTaz | and since you want people to be able to navigate the site to get their answers, it needs to be aesthetically pleasing to help them do a better job of navigating |
| 20:24.45 | MinuteElectron | w00t look at nav everyone!!! |
| 20:26.12 | brlcad | nice, got the corner :) |
| 20:26.33 | brlcad | your color is off just a hair :) |
| 20:27.09 | MinuteElectron | what? |
| 20:27.28 | MinuteElectron | no it isn't |
| 20:28.43 | MinuteElectron | heh |
| 20:29.44 | brlcad | you see it? |
| 20:29.57 | MinuteElectron | no |
| 20:30.48 | brlcad | http://my.brlcad.org/~sean/hair.png |
| 20:31.12 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, not getting that on my end, |
| 20:31.25 | MinuteElectron | Maybe my monitor doesn't have enough colors. |
| 20:31.28 | brlcad | then the png is probably missing gamma correction or something |
| 20:31.40 | MinuteElectron | How many bits is your monitor? |
| 20:32.45 | brlcad | 32-bit |
| 20:33.53 | MinuteElectron | hmm |
| 20:33.57 | MinuteElectron | which browser? |
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| 20:38.47 | brlcad | safari |
| 20:41.22 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, this is very odd. What screen resolution are you on? |
| 20:42.04 | brlcad | 1680x1050 |
| 20:42.51 | brlcad | it's almost guaranteed just a gamma issue |
| 20:43.09 | brlcad | firefox isn't the best at applying gamma correction |
| 20:43.18 | MinuteElectron | I have no idea, I also have no idea what gamma correction is. When you get a moment would you kindly add it to the image 'corner.png' please. thanks. |
| 20:43.32 | brlcad | heh :) |
| 20:47.09 | Laniakea | issues with gamma correction are guranteed as long as people stay ignorant having no clue what the digital numbers stored in their files are supposed to mean |
| 20:47.16 | AchiestDragon | well sort of resolved the x problem and mged works fine , it seems that the g200 quad head card is not quite fully supported in x , so just using 2 monitors and the dual head g550 |
| 20:49.00 | Laniakea | The picture hair.png has no gamma chunk present, so the gamma is assumed to be 0.454545 |
| 20:49.16 | AchiestDragon | down side smaller desktop size only 3200 * 1200 |
| 20:49.22 | Laniakea | However it has an ICC profile |
| 21:02.54 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I think there is a problem, the htaccess file in /d/ isn't working - perhaps you could chown the /d/ directory to www - I seam to be unable to. |
| 21:05.44 | MinuteElectron | I have to go, be back tomorrow. |
| 21:11.21 | brlcad | alright, I'll look at ait |
| 21:11.37 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_brep.cpp: attempting to debug edge_check code; added return states for edge check; removed some dead code |
| 21:13.33 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_curve.cpp: fix bug where search domains are unordered; tried 'adaptive' chord sampling |
| 21:15.19 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_curve.h: played with the chord tolerance and derivative tolerance (need to change it to tangent!) |
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