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| 01:01.26 | poolio | ``Erik: This response is quite late, but you can ask away and I shall respond if I'm still here when you ask |
| 01:03.39 | IriX64 | maybe I'll play ``Erik and ask ;) |
| 01:06.50 | poolio | You can if I want, I'm just a bad coder that got lucky ;) |
| 01:07.01 | IriX64 | :) |
| 01:07.48 | poolio | IriX64: Where are you from? |
| 01:08.03 | IriX64 | Canada Ontario |
| 01:09.22 | poolio | Ah cool. And what do you do for a living? |
| 01:09.37 | IriX64 | I don't live I exist :) |
| 01:10.01 | IriX64 | disability pension at the moment (sigh) |
| 01:10.21 | poolio | So you work on getting brl-cad working in windows for fun? |
| 01:10.26 | IriX64 | yes |
| 01:10.34 | poolio | Very nice of you |
| 01:10.49 | IriX64 | heh thanks for the nice project to play with |
| 01:11.14 | poolio | heh, wasn't me. Do you do any CAD work or just enjoy trying to get BRL-CAD working? |
| 01:11.45 | IriX64 | no cad work, had a course in Autocad but i sucked at it, love trying to learn brl-cad |
| 01:12.54 | poolio | Cool man, best of luck :) Ever try to just run it in a Unix-based environment? |
| 01:13.24 | IriX64 | retired my redhat-5.1 ages ago sorry |
| 01:14.31 | poolio | it's all good. Windows has its uses, but I'm a coder and really need my Linux environment. I can't imagine trying to code in a full-fledged IDE after so many years with my trusty vim |
| 01:14.54 | IriX64 | I like the best of both worlds |
| 01:14.58 | poolio | hmm, I guess that's unrelated to windows, mainly my perception of it and the fact that I last used VisualC++ |
| 01:15.32 | IriX64 | i have visual studio and watcom both decent environments |
| 01:19.21 | poolio | never heard of watcom, but i'm thinking of getting a wacom tablet |
| 01:20.00 | IriX64 | digitizing versus mouseclicking |
| 01:21.03 | poolio | Well I'm going to college and am getting an ultraportable. I figure that a tablet would be useful for typing up notes and say drafting designs/flow charts |
| 01:21.35 | IriX64 | typing on a digitizer , what'd i miss |
| 01:24.23 | poolio | huh? |
| 01:24.51 | IriX64 | how do you type on a digitizing tablet? |
| 01:25.08 | IriX64 | ahh i see the ultraportable |
| 01:25.11 | IriX64 | :) |
| 01:26.41 | poolio | It's not like a mousepad-sized digitizer, it's built into the screen |
| 01:27.09 | IriX64 | oh ok |
| 02:00.08 | IriX64 | have i shown you this ---> http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/brlcadinaction |
| 02:03.22 | poolio | +.png, but yeah you have. |
| 02:03.47 | poolio | Also, may I suggest creating some sort of thumbnail gallery with your BRL-CAD pics, and writing comments describing what's happening in the pics? |
| 02:04.11 | poolio | You bombard this channel with updates, maybe it'd be better to start a blog to keep us up to date and that way you can show it to other people as well that are not on IRC |
| 02:05.31 | IriX64 | will take it into consideration |
| 02:06.17 | poolio | you could throw it on blogspot or something and get it hosted for free and with an already made interface. seems pretty handy and that way you can check back on your progress, or see archived/older screen shots |
| 02:07.49 | IriX64 | like www.irix64.spaces.live.com/photos ? |
| 02:08.13 | poolio | That site never works for me, something to do with my iceweasel installation, but maybe |
| 02:08.18 | IriX64 | was trying to stay away from sites that not all browsers can access |
| 02:08.46 | poolio | Heh, I cant access that one, but whatever floats your boat |
| 02:09.22 | IriX64 | my boat sank :) |
| 02:21.48 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/iAb3gc15.html <---- whats this on 7.10? |
| 02:22.37 | louipc | yeah the msn spaces have xml oddities, microsoft going outside of spec I guess |
| 02:23.00 | brlcad | IriX64: that's the same problems as before, you've got messed up inclusion orders and interfaces enabled that shouldn't be given the compilation settings |
| 02:23.07 | IriX64 | heh if i were paranoid, i'd think they did it on purpose :) |
| 02:23.29 | IriX64 | so you compile one *or the other? |
| 02:23.54 | brlcad | depends entirely on the platform and the stuff available |
| 02:24.09 | brlcad | suffice to say, we've had this same talk and even over that same error |
| 02:24.21 | IriX64 | soon as you mention platform I have to retire (sigh) |
| 02:24.25 | brlcad | it's not going to get fixed anytime soon until you're willing to look into it more methodically |
| 02:24.49 | IriX64 | lets go, you drive |
| 02:25.14 | IriX64 | ill checkout a whole new tree, just a sec |
| 02:25.19 | brlcad | do you have a clean checkout of cvs head? |
| 02:25.31 | brlcad | yeah, that's needed .. and it MUST remain unmodified |
| 02:25.46 | IriX64 | got it give me 20 minutes |
| 02:26.27 | louipc | I keep one directory for clean checkout/update and one for building/modifications |
| 02:26.41 | IriX64 | ill adopt that |
| 02:26.44 | louipc | just copy over |
| 02:27.00 | IriX64 | just rename the bloody directory :) |
| 02:27.09 | IriX64 | with mc its easy |
| 02:27.12 | louipc | yep |
| 02:27.40 | IriX64 | roses need watering, ill be back in a bit |
| 02:36.15 | IriX64 | checked out how do you want to proceed? |
| 02:36.36 | brlcad | default configure, post the config.log somewhere |
| 02:36.41 | IriX64 | ok |
| 02:40.31 | IriX64 | heh if you laugh at my triplets i'll never speak to you again ;) |
| 02:42.48 | brlcad | is that a promise or a threat? |
| 02:43.09 | IriX64 | a poor attempt at humour :) |
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| 02:55.46 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/config.log |
| 02:57.32 | IriX64 | ill leave that tree strictly alone |
| 04:41.34 | poolio | gnite |
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| 11:33.14 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:01.09 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/util/pl-X.c: cast to quell warning |
| 14:02.25 | poolio | mornin, see ``Erik's already up |
| 14:04.11 | ``Erik | well, I kinda have to get into the office at 8:30 most days... |
| 14:04.42 | poolio | hehe. :) |
| 14:04.55 | poolio | I slept in today but that means I have to work late :\ |
| 14:05.08 | Laniakea | ``Erik: do you have an idea how to fix this? clock@kestrel:~$ mged |
| 14:05.08 | Laniakea | Initializing and backgrounding, please wait...Done |
| 14:05.08 | Laniakea | version conflict for package "Itcl": have 3.3, need 33 |
| 14:05.08 | Laniakea | MGED Aborted. |
| 14:08.14 | ``Erik | um, I'd imagine itcl builds its version depending on what the os expects libraries to be named and then tests version in the scripts without paying attention to that... |
| 14:08.28 | ``Erik | obsd doesn't do dotted .so names, does it? |
| 14:09.04 | ``Erik | I know in the configure script, I shoved in a bunch of tests for tcl and tk that go like '8.5 85' in the search |
| 14:09.24 | ``Erik | unfortunately, I don't have an obsd box anymore :( |
| 14:10.03 | ``Erik | (short answer; itcl is broken in your install) |
| 14:14.12 | Laniakea | what's dotted .so names? |
| 14:14.22 | Laniakea | I guess every library name contains at least one dot |
| 14:14.59 | Laniakea | aha the problem is that 33 is actually 3.3 with the dot removed? |
| 14:15.48 | Laniakea | I have libtcl84.so.1.0 in /usr/local/lib |
| 14:16.24 | Laniakea | then also /usr/brlcad/lib/libitcl3.3.so.0.0 |
| 14:16.38 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 14:16.46 | ``Erik | itcl didn't build it, it'd seem |
| 14:16.51 | ``Erik | build right, rather |
| 14:16.56 | Laniakea | can I safely remove /usr/brlcad and run make install again? |
| 14:17.04 | ``Erik | it should probably be libitcl33.so.0.0 |
| 14:17.13 | ``Erik | I don't know if that would fix it... |
| 14:17.19 | louipc | yeah I thought bsd removes the dot |
| 14:17.21 | ``Erik | you might try just moving the offending .so files |
| 14:17.42 | Laniakea | but I don't have a system wide itcl lib |
| 14:17.53 | ``Erik | fbsd can keep the dots in the name |
| 14:18.21 | poolio | just softlink the 3.3 to 33? |
| 14:18.46 | ``Erik | sure |
| 14:19.09 | ``Erik | um, and the symlinks, too... libitcl33.so libitcl33.so.0 libitcl33.so.0.0 |
| 14:19.11 | ``Erik | and see if that works |
| 14:19.40 | ``Erik | and the itk's, if they're also messed up |
| 14:20.06 | poolio | it's a bad hack, the problem should be fixed :) |
| 14:20.21 | ``Erik | no shit? but this will tell us if it's really the problem |
| 14:20.39 | Laniakea | now I did rm -rf /usr/brlcad and doing make install |
| 14:20.48 | Laniakea | because there was some old stuff from 7.8.4 and this is 7.10.0 |
| 14:21.12 | ``Erik | ok, see if mged works, if not, try the symlink hack and see if that fixes it... |
| 14:21.18 | Laniakea | The README says how to install but doesn't say how to reinstall a new version, which people also do often. |
| 14:21.58 | ``Erik | in theory, it should just overwrite leftovers |
| 14:22.30 | ``Erik | around here, they like to --prefix=/usr/brlcad/7.10.0 and ln -s /usr/brlcad/7.10.0/* /usr/brlcad/ |
| 14:44.09 | Laniakea | ``Erik: after deleting the brlcad directory in the system and rerunning make install the error message has changed. |
| 14:45.16 | Laniakea | ``Erik: http://pastebin.ca/623338 |
| 14:46.56 | ``Erik | do you have /usr/brlcad/lib/itcl3.3 or /usr/brlcad/lib/itcl33 ? |
| 14:46.58 | poolio | find / -name itcl.tcl ? |
| 14:47.13 | ``Erik | eck, on root? why no /usr/brlcad? |
| 14:47.29 | Laniakea | I don't have /usr/brlcad/lib/itcl3.3 and I have /usr/brlcad/lib/itcl33. |
| 14:48.03 | ``Erik | how interesting |
| 14:48.11 | Laniakea | now running find / -name itcl.tcl |
| 14:48.17 | ``Erik | setenv ITCL_LIBRARY /usr/brlcad/lib/itcl33 |
| 14:48.23 | ``Erik | setenv ITK_LIBRARY /usr/brlcad/lib/itk33 |
| 14:48.26 | ``Erik | then try mged again? |
| 14:49.27 | Laniakea | setenv: command not found |
| 14:49.43 | ``Erik | oh, um |
| 14:49.47 | ``Erik | are you using bash? |
| 14:49.56 | ``Erik | or one of the bsh family? (ksh, zsh, etc) |
| 14:50.07 | Laniakea | yes I am using bash |
| 14:50.17 | ``Erik | export ITCL_LIBRARY=/usr/brlcad/libitcl33 |
| 14:50.19 | Laniakea | if I replace setenv a b with export a=b then mged says good old |
| 14:50.20 | ``Erik | and the same for itk |
| 14:50.26 | Laniakea | version conflict for package "Itcl": have 3.3, need 33 |
| 14:50.32 | Laniakea | I did both exports. |
| 14:52.59 | Laniakea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.04 | Laniakea | /usr/brlcad/lib/itcl33/itcl.tcl |
| 14:57.26 | Laniakea | I don't understand what I should try with the symlinks |
| 14:57.40 | Laniakea | how did you mean with the symlinks? |
| 14:59.44 | ``Erik | lhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/44680 |
| 14:59.47 | ``Erik | http://paste.lisp.org/display/44680 |
| 15:07.30 | Laniakea | it prints |
| 15:07.33 | Laniakea | ln: /usr/brlcad/lib/libitcl33.so.0.0: File exists |
| 15:07.33 | Laniakea | ln: /usr/brlcad/lib/libitk33.so.0.0: File exists |
| 15:08.12 | poolio | that's fine |
| 15:08.14 | Laniakea | and running mged (without the exports) does again the long error message |
| 15:08.25 | Laniakea | should I try with the export? |
| 15:08.31 | poolio | yes |
| 15:10.43 | Laniakea | So now it prints again clock@kestrel:~$ version conflict for package "Itcl": have 3.3, need 33 |
| 15:11.17 | Laniakea | and MGED Aborted |
| 15:12.37 | poolio | I could keep guessing but you're better off waiting for someone who knows what they're doing |
| 15:16.24 | poolio | Could it have something to do with package checks on startup? something to do with the way the tcl/tk packages are registered on the system? |
| 15:18.27 | ``Erik | no |
| 15:19.15 | ``Erik | clock: can you do "make -V ITCL_VERSION" in the source directory and tell me what it says? |
| 15:20.42 | Laniakea | It says "gmake: invalid option -- V" |
| 15:21.10 | ``Erik | using bsd make...? :) |
| 15:21.20 | ``Erik | or grep it out of Makefile |
| 15:21.37 | ``Erik | I suspect it says "3.3" instead of "33" |
| 15:25.34 | Laniakea | when I do unalias gmake then make -V ITCL_VERSION says 33 |
| 15:25.50 | Laniakea | (on a separate single line, without any quotes) |
| 15:27.17 | ``Erik | huh, odd |
| 15:29.11 | ``Erik | ok, if you go into src/other/incrTcl and do /usr/bin/make -V lib_LTLIBRARIES |
| 15:29.16 | ``Erik | what's that say? |
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| 15:42.49 | poolio | brlcad: I'm still partially confused about the offset thing. It works fine, I didn't manually modify offsets, the internal object remains unchanged, however the directory pointer has changed, I recreate it using diradd on the new database |
| 15:50.59 | Laniakea | libitcl.la libitcl33.la libitk.la libitk33.la |
| 15:58.06 | ``Erik | wwweeeiiirrrdddd |
| 15:58.29 | ``Erik | I don't understand why it's installing as libitcl3.3.so O.o libtool muffed up mebbe? *shrug* |
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| 16:01.25 | Laniakea | so what should I do? |
| 16:01.34 | Laniakea | give some more diagnostic information? |
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| 16:08.25 | poolio | brlcad or maybe ``Erik can answer this, in db_tree.c, db_count_tree_nodes(), shouldn't the logic be that the CSG operators: union, intersect, etc... add one to the node count? Aren't they considered nodes after all? |
| 16:13.42 | iraytrace | The word "node" is probably a misnomer in this context |
| 16:13.58 | iraytrace | It's counting primitives and regions really |
| 16:14.28 | Laniakea | ``Erik: brlcad 7.8.4 compiled and installed fine for me |
| 16:14.52 | Laniakea | but it produced faulty output from rtedge. |
| 16:15.00 | iraytrace | I wonder if the code, the comment or both are incorrect. I'd have to see what uses it. |
| 16:15.03 | Laniakea | because of race condition between two threads |
| 16:19.24 | poolio | iraytrace: I ask because I need the functionality of counting all nodes, including non-leaf nodes and am debating whether to modify that and rewrite a new one that just adds one for the other OPs |
| 16:20.06 | iraytrace | Have to check the code that calls this already and make sure it won't break before making the change. |
| 16:20.20 | poolio | I can do that |
| 16:20.31 | iraytrace | Goferit |
| 16:23.11 | poolio | iraytrace: I think there's an error, or some sort of weird overlap, db_count_tree_nodes and db_tree_nleaves seem to be the same thing, however nleaves does not count OP_NOPs, and db_count_tree_nodes counts OP_XOR as a unary op, isn't it supposed to be binary? |
| 16:23.52 | iraytrace | Sound like it to mee. |
| 16:24.30 | poolio | Actually, db_count_tree_nodes seems to be no longer in use |
| 16:24.45 | poolio | I think I should modify it to do what it says it should, and I'll change XOR to binary |
| 16:24.54 | iraytrace | sounds like a plan. |
| 16:25.04 | iraytrace | Thanks |
| 16:30.00 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03poolio * 10brlcad/src/librt/db_tree.c: db_count_tree_nodes() now counts nodes and leaves |
| 16:31.16 | poolio | hmm, that commit message is not right, but oh well |
| 16:32.00 | Laniakea | Who understands this itcl stuff the most? |
| 16:32.56 | poolio | probably brlcad, but he's a busy man |
| 16:34.14 | Laniakea | There must've been some change around the itcl when it worked in brlcad-7.8.4 and doesn't work in 7.10.0, is it right? |
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| 18:50.01 | poolio | ah crap, I somehow broke my source directory :\, have to recheckout cvs now |
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| 19:28.57 | IriX64 | poolio, you really can't access my irix32 or irix64 sites? |
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| 19:31.18 | poolio | Yes, there's some issue with XML, I can paste the error for you if you'd like |
| 19:31.26 | poolio | I think it only is happening with people using iceweasel |
| 19:32.15 | IriX64 | how do i complain to microsoft errr do I dare complain, at the moment those are free sites :) |
| 19:32.35 | poolio | I have no clue, sorry |
| 19:32.49 | IriX64 | heh for you i'll use sympatico |
| 19:33.20 | IriX64 | should make a page |
| 19:36.43 | IriX64 | should re-install opera and see if there's an issue, no issue with windows firefox |
| 19:45.19 | poolio | MinuteElectron: shouldn't be too bad, binary-based distro. |
| 19:46.05 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, I had to download the alternate installer. The standard Live CD installer wouldn't even boot on HELIUM (my other system which is only 400MHz). |
| 19:48.30 | poolio | woah |
| 19:48.40 | poolio | No wonder, why do you still have a 400mhz ;) |
| 19:49.02 | MinuteElectron | Because I haven't the money to maintain two good computers. |
| 19:49.39 | MinuteElectron | poolio: Even the machine I am using ATM is only 2.2GHz. |
| 19:49.50 | poolio | I'm only on a 1.83 |
| 19:50.07 | poolio | Purchasing a 1.5 Thinkpad X41 tablet in the near future |
| 19:50.21 | MinuteElectron | poolio: Hopefully I will be able to get an 31337 machine for christmas (I need a new motherboard so I can use a PCI graphics card). |
| 19:51.06 | poolio | Yeah, with the work I'm doing this summer I'm able to buy a new computer, but I'm saving most of it and going cheap. |
| 19:51.16 | MinuteElectron | I enjoy retro technology because I don't have to worry about scrambling a 10 year old PC when I muck about with the innards. |
| 19:51.41 | dtidrow | 10os[Linux 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 i686] 10cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz @ 2.33GHz] 10mem[Physical : 2823MB/3288MB Free] 10disk[Total : 20.32GB/126.97GB Free] 10video[Quadro FX 2500M] 10sound[] |
| 19:51.45 | MinuteElectron | With my 4 year old PC that is a completely different matter. |
| 19:51.56 | MinuteElectron | dtidrow: What program did you use to generate that? |
| 19:52.16 | dtidrow | it's a plugin for xchat |
| 19:52.25 | MinuteElectron | :( - xchat is unfree. |
| 19:52.32 | dtidrow | ??? |
| 19:52.35 | MinuteElectron | at least the win32 official version is. |
| 19:52.40 | dtidrow | ah, win32 |
| 19:52.55 | dtidrow | 10os[dtidrow@localhost.localdomain, Linux 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 i686] |
| 19:53.06 | dtidrow | :-) |
| 19:53.22 | MinuteElectron | irssi is cool. |
| 19:53.28 | IriX64 | err pseudo windows |
| 19:54.03 | dtidrow | running windows inside a VM? |
| 19:54.17 | IriX64 | cygwin on windows xppro |
| 19:54.34 | dtidrow | ah |
| 19:54.44 | IriX64 | works im happy |
| 19:54.53 | dtidrow | cygwin makes windows 'tolerable' ;-) |
| 19:55.07 | IriX64 | loadavg in other sessions is always 0 though :) |
| 19:55.19 | IriX64 | yes it does |
| 19:55.40 | poolio | howdy yukonbob |
| 19:55.53 | yukonbob | a liveCD of *BSD or Linux would make a Windows box even more tolerable... |
| 19:56.03 | IriX64 | heh |
| 19:56.10 | MinuteElectron | os[Microsuck Window XP Professional Service pack 2] cpu[AMD Athlon XP 3200+ @ 2.2GHz] mem[Physical: 1024MB] disk[77.3GB + 8GB] video[NVidia GeForce FX5200] sound[] |
| 19:56.19 | MinuteElectron | hey yukonbob |
| 19:56.23 | MinuteElectron | nice to meet you |
| 19:56.28 | yukonbob | likewise |
| 19:56.59 | dtidrow | NVidia GeForce FX5200 - that's like bottom of the barrel :-\ |
| 19:57.12 | IriX64 | Minute electron, you've been robbed, my copy of that chip clocks at 2.4g |
| 19:57.33 | dtidrow | IriX64: overclocked? |
| 19:57.40 | IriX64 | no regular |
| 19:57.51 | dtidrow | interesting |
| 19:58.02 | IriX64 | motherboard difference you think? |
| 19:58.10 | dtidrow | MinuteElectron: did you perhaps underclock it for some reason? |
| 19:59.05 | IriX64 | ive got a gig of ddr too but only 250g dive :) |
| 19:59.49 | dtidrow | heh - drives are dirt-cheap these days |
| 19:59.58 | IriX64 | specially ide |
| 20:00.21 | poolio | speaking of which, any suggestions for a external hd that doesnt require it's own power source? (usb-powered) |
| 20:00.23 | dtidrow | saw an external drive for $125 at buy.com - $100 after rebate |
| 20:00.45 | dtidrow | 500GB external, that is |
| 20:00.50 | poolio | nice |
| 20:00.53 | dtidrow | indeed |
| 20:00.56 | IriX64 | poolio staples has several varieties of external usb drives |
| 20:01.09 | poolio | Do people approve of me buying this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130134532113 |
| 20:01.12 | poolio | your e-pinions matter ;) |
| 20:01.15 | louipc | poolio: I get an xml error with firefox |
| 20:01.36 | poolio | louipc: yeah, iceweasel is just what they call the newer version of firefox |
| 20:01.46 | poolio | i forget the whole firefox nomenclature |
| 20:02.49 | IriX64 | looks purty |
| 20:03.29 | yukonbob | poolio: if you get the serial#, you can confirm the warranty w/ IBM |
| 20:03.54 | IriX64 | thinkpad, does it really help you think :) |
| 20:04.21 | louipc | I thought that iceweasel is a fork of firefox |
| 20:04.24 | MinuteElectron | dtidrow: Did I underclock what? |
| 20:04.49 | MinuteElectron | dtidrow: All my friends take the piss out of my FX5200. |
| 20:04.58 | louipc | because they won't allow you to do a custom build and still call it firefox |
| 20:05.03 | MinuteElectron | dtidrow: I am saving up to get a PCI system at Christmas. |
| 20:05.04 | louipc | dumb mozilla license |
| 20:05.34 | dtidrow | MinuteElectron: heh |
| 20:05.55 | louipc | I have the same card as you hah |
| 20:06.02 | dtidrow | $100 would get you a 7600 |
| 20:06.05 | louipc | I think it's broken |
| 20:06.12 | louipc | I got mine ages ago though |
| 20:06.27 | poolio | yukonbob: I just sent the question to the seller, good point |
| 20:06.54 | MinuteElectron | dtidrow: That would be a waste since all AGP cards will be out of date in about 5 months and I want to future-proof myself. THis system I am using now has lasted 4 years. |
| 20:07.19 | louipc | what's the next interface then? |
| 20:07.31 | dtidrow | PCIe |
| 20:07.33 | poolio | PCI-e |
| 20:07.55 | louipc | cool |
| 20:15.43 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I am going away on holiday for one week on Friday so will be unable to finish the theme for the website until after I come back. |
| 20:16.18 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: If I set up LDAP I will be able to set the site to use the defaults themes and you will be able to add content to the wiki and drupal while I am away. |
| 20:17.17 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: If you want to, that is. |
| 20:21.52 | dtidrow | 10os[Linux 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 i686] 10distro[Fedora Core release 6 (Zod)] 10cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 2.33GHz] 10mem[Physical : 3.2GB, 84.6% free] 10disk[Total : 126.97GB, 16.00% Free] 10video[nVidia Corporation G71 [Quadro FX 2500M]] 10sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] |
| 20:22.16 | dtidrow | heh - found a new version that detects the h/w & s/w better |
| 20:22.23 | MinuteElectron | hehe |
| 20:41.36 | IriX64 | poolio: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/Current.png |
| 20:43.02 | IriX64 | man, it's a cygwin build, would it be cricket to add that somewhere? |
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| 20:54.49 | IriX64 | say, brlcad would it help to have my 7.8.4 config.log to compare against, if it will ill put it up there. |
| 20:59.31 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: cricket? |
| 21:03.25 | IriX64 | would it be allright :) |
| 21:03.59 | MinuteElectron | I think so. |
| 21:04.10 | IriX64 | ty |
| 21:04.16 | MinuteElectron | A old version of windows exists. |
| 21:04.37 | MinuteElectron | But don't trust me, I am simpyl the website developer. |
| 21:04.43 | MinuteElectron | I could be all wrong. |
| 21:04.43 | IriX64 | i Know, 7.8.0 |
| 21:05.11 | MinuteElectron | A newer version would be good (I could try it out). :P |
| 21:05.42 | IriX64 | maybe ill send you a cygwin build when im done :) |
| 21:06.15 | IriX64 | *Ill provide the required dll's |
| 21:07.53 | IriX64 | and xserver |
| 21:08.17 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 21:09.42 | louipc | how's the website? |
| 21:10.33 | louipc | if you ever need a hand I can do some of that :D |
| 21:11.37 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 21:12.18 | MinuteElectron | I am still working on the theme, but so it is active while I am gone I am going to set up LDAP by friday and that way people can add content while I am on holiday. |
| 21:14.30 | louipc | hmm I've never used that before |
| 21:15.08 | MinuteElectron | me neither - but I will get it to work. I promise. |
| 21:15.15 | louipc | :D |
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| 21:31.20 | poolio | ebay scammming bullshit bastards grargh http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=130134532113 |
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| 21:32.46 | MinuteElectron | poolio: How do you know it is a scam? |
| 21:33.48 | dtidrow_work | $3,275.00 for a 1.5GHz Stinkpad? |
| 21:34.02 | MinuteElectron | oh lol |
| 21:35.14 | dtidrow | 10os[Linux 2.6.20-1.2948.fc6 i686] 10distro[Fedora Core release 6 (Zod)] 10cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1000MHz] 10mem[Physical : 3.2GB, 85.1% free] 10disk[Total : 241.38GB, 25.70% Free] 10video[nVidia Corporation G71 [Quadro FX 2500M]] 10sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] |
| 21:35.36 | poolio | oh well, so it goes. |
| 21:35.47 | dtidrow | this sucker goes for about $4500 on Dell's website, and it's current h/w |
| 21:36.56 | dtidrow | I need to see if I can get the display resolution to show up as well - this one has a 1920x1200 flatpanel on it |
| 21:44.06 | dtidrow | btw, that $4500 apparently includes an external monitor that I think is also 1920x1200 |
| 21:45.06 | MinuteElectron | Goodnight. |
| 21:45.24 | dtidrow | 'nite |
| 21:58.20 | poolio | brlcad: if I have the choice between writing code that works fine but is very specific and writing code that can be more modularized and allow different implementations, should I choose the latter? |
| 21:59.04 | brlcad | depends how much architecting is required to modularize it, and what sort of "different implementations", but in general sure |
| 21:59.07 | poolio | Like for the genetic operations I currently am writing different routines for the different operations, but I could do it by having a generalized routine and then a function pointer to a routine that will do the more specific processing |
| 21:59.19 | brlcad | wow, busy day |
| 22:00.00 | poolio | Well like, i'm implementing crossover and mutation, should I set it up so if people want to implement other operations that I do not, it will be easier for that to occur? I guess the main question is, is anyone else going to be heavily modifying this code? |
| 22:00.09 | poolio | brlcad: yeah, where have you been all day :) |
| 22:05.26 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: that sounds like a great plan |
| 22:08.21 | brlcad | IriX64: sure, post both for comparison |
| 22:08.32 | IriX64 | all right |
| 22:13.18 | IriX64 | config.log-7.8.4 same site as config.log |
| 22:14.08 | brlcad | poolio: meetings, discussions, fires, the usual |
| 22:15.16 | brlcad | poolio: I don't think it's heavily likely that someone else is going to be _heavily_ modifying anytime real soon, it's more a tool that will work or not work outright |
| 22:15.48 | brlcad | it would be nice to be able to extract out the genetic algorithm into a generic library, but then that is probably too much overhead work to complete this summer |
| 22:15.54 | poolio | alright, so the effort put into making an easier interface isn't necessarily worth the time |
| 22:16.01 | poolio | yeah, it is :) |
| 22:16.23 | brlcad | yeah, configurable would be good, but doesn't need to be necessarily "easier" code-wise |
| 22:16.51 | poolio | Yes, I'm definitely going to separate any sort of "Genetic algorithm variables" |
| 22:17.05 | brlcad | like being able to specify the size of the population, mutation rates, max tree depths, types of allowed operators/primitives, etc |
| 22:17.53 | poolio | Yeah definitely |
| 22:18.34 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: curious comment about ldap -- you're not talking about using ldap for the content are you? |
| 22:18.51 | poolio | I didn't think it would take as long as it's taking, my coding is just going at a slothlike pace for some reason. Every day I make atleast one lage stupid mistake. I was hoping to have it done by now and be working on say having a genetic algorithm or neural net work on finding the best variables for the lower level genetic algorithm |
| 22:18.53 | brlcad | I can easily see it for the user directory, content is a little more tricky |
| 22:19.55 | brlcad | poolio: you're actually father than I "expected" but spot on where I hoped ;) |
| 22:20.30 | poolio | I think what I messed up was I dove into the code a bit too soon, didn't quite spend enough time planning. |
| 22:20.51 | poolio | I lacked the foresight to see a lot of the problems that have come up. But then again hindsight is 20/20... |
| 22:21.27 | brlcad | yep |
| 22:21.43 | brlcad | you've made consistent progress |
| 22:21.53 | brlcad | and no glaring/blatent problems to say the least |
| 22:22.12 | brlcad | just needs more code, more chugging along |
| 22:23.17 | poolio | i mean the first main issue was the tree represenation pain in the butt, and now the organization of my code is needing a change to work better with the genetic operations |
| 22:23.46 | poolio | I'm a couple hundred lines away from a working crossover and framework for mutation, than I'll have to code in the specific cases for mutation, and then I can test, hopefully |
| 22:24.14 | poolio | ah hooray, kind of, |
| 22:24.15 | poolio | eBay Listing 130134532113 Cancelled - Results Null and Void |
| 22:24.35 | dtidrow | which means? |
| 22:25.36 | poolio | seller should repost it, and I'll have a chance to re-bid. |
| 22:26.50 | poolio | brlcad: alright I'm off for the night, but tomorrow I will have workign crossover dammit. |
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| 23:55.47 | brlcad | poolio: hehe, good luck! |
