| 00:24.50 | brlcad | yeah, need to specify the -w WIDTH -n HEIGTH of the input, and use redirectors < > for input/output |
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| 02:56.11 | IriX64 | poolio: archer.png (proving once and for all windows is fun:)) |
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| 03:51.20 | poolio | brlcad: a bit late, but I was wondering if you had any suggestions on the series of ae's to take the raytraces at? |
| 04:09.30 | brlcad | poolio, sure .. front, left, top and 3525 |
| 04:09.44 | poolio | k, thanks |
| 04:10.00 | brlcad | i.e. 0 0 90 0 270 90 and 35 25 |
| 04:10.38 | poolio | Yeah I got that, just fixing up the perl script :) |
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| 04:54.55 | poolio | brlcad: if you have a minute and some bandwidth here's a 1.2M image, showing the most fit individual from each generation |
| 04:55.05 | poolio | http://my.brlcad.org/~poolio/mon.jpg |
| 04:56.27 | poolio | Just uses crossover and reproduction, 50% chance of either, crossover is done by selecting a random node on each of the two parent trees and swapping the sub trees at those nodes. |
| 04:56.38 | poolio | reproduction is just duplicating the individual into the newer populaiton |
| 04:57.54 | poolio | Testing whether the GA is working is becoming painfully slow :\ |
| 05:06.17 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: very curious.. is that svn cron task a safe thing to do? chances that the svn sources will update to something unstable or is that a stable branch the sources come from? |
| 05:08.43 | brlcad | poolio: interesting, and progress :) |
| 05:08.57 | brlcad | and a pretty reasonable test case |
| 05:09.00 | poolio | well, not necessarily progress :\ |
| 05:09.10 | brlcad | well it's actually iterating and doing something |
| 05:09.10 | poolio | Let me try again with the two spheres |
| 05:09.27 | poolio | Well it has been at that stage for teh entire day, I was hoping to have some sort of visible convergence |
| 05:09.46 | brlcad | note that with the evolutionary criteria you selected.. i really wouldn't expect it to converge for several hundred iterations at least |
| 05:10.45 | brlcad | is the fitness value that your fitness function computes normalized? |
| 05:10.48 | poolio | alright, maybe I'm being too impatient. But the fact that it's jumping around so much for so long...I thought I would be able to see noticeable improvement after a not so significant amount of generations |
| 05:11.23 | brlcad | after 100 iterations, you should see some difference, but it won't necessarily be visible |
| 05:11.26 | poolio | brlcad: Normalized from 0 to 1, represents the %different from the source |
| 05:11.26 | brlcad | you need the value |
| 05:11.36 | poolio | well the value tends to go down |
| 05:11.41 | poolio | it seems the first generation has the highest fitness |
| 05:11.43 | brlcad | yeah, what's the graph of that mean fitness look like? |
| 05:11.58 | poolio | that's next on the list :) |
| 05:12.17 | brlcad | i'd also suggest starting with an even simpler test case |
| 05:12.27 | poolio | I did, I just tried out something more advanced |
| 05:12.44 | poolio | I'll go back and test a simpler one now |
| 05:12.45 | brlcad | I presume from what you said earlier that one sphere is pretty much going to match just from how sample candidates are tested |
| 05:12.56 | brlcad | with thier boxes set to "match" |
| 05:12.59 | poolio | Yes, one sphere is trivial in the sense every single individual will be the same |
| 05:13.15 | brlcad | okay, so then next step is two spheres, not overlapping |
| 05:13.33 | brlcad | then two spheres overlapping |
| 05:13.53 | brlcad | but only after you find a convergence on the first |
| 05:13.59 | poolio | yeah, I tried two spheres not overlapping, no good results, I'm going to try to run it longer though |
| 05:14.05 | brlcad | you should definitely be able to get a semi-quick convergence on the first |
| 05:15.07 | brlcad | i mean, that's only a four-value function if you think of one of the spheres as fixed, and still only 8 valued if you don't |
| 05:15.46 | brlcad | it's only when it gets into the hundreds that I'd question it's ability to ever converge |
| 05:16.34 | brlcad | can you make more than a sphere or is that the only primitive supported? |
| 05:17.01 | brlcad | that's another hard problem -- with even just one primitive, but N possible creation primitives |
| 05:18.54 | poolio | so far i'm keeping it just a sphere |
| 05:19.02 | brlcad | another thing I think might actually be messing you up is matching the bounding grid to make it scaling independent -- it takes care of scaling (which is just one parameter of course), but screws with translations and position values (6 parameters) .. such that crossover is effectively randomized between different scalings |
| 05:19.05 | poolio | I can spawn a population with anything |
| 05:19.14 | brlcad | okay, just wondering - that's good |
| 05:19.29 | poolio | It'd take a few minutes to spawn other things, but the crossover and reproduction are independent of the shape and it's specific properites |
| 05:19.51 | brlcad | nah, don't worry about other shapes, spheres are good |
| 05:20.05 | poolio | yeah crap, translations and positions would throw it all off |
| 05:20.27 | poolio | well, translations and positions would be covered by orientation |
| 05:20.33 | poolio | which is inherently part of the primitive shapes |
| 05:21.24 | brlcad | the magnitude of their values doesn't mean the same thing after a crossover any more though |
| 05:22.23 | poolio | true |
| 05:22.47 | brlcad | which just makes it that much harder for the GA (and really hurts crossover) |
| 05:23.37 | poolio | hmm |
| 05:23.42 | poolio | but I don't think there's really anything I can do about that |
| 05:23.44 | brlcad | one of the crossover criteria is supposed to be taking your top n% of the population only, for example, like only your best 50% with a given fitness get to cross .. |
| 05:23.52 | poolio | well |
| 05:23.57 | poolio | I have a weighted random selection |
| 05:24.07 | poolio | so the most fit are more likely to be selected, but not guaranteed |
| 05:24.11 | brlcad | but with normalized scaling, that means the fitness is scale dependent which crossover knows nothing about |
| 05:24.16 | poolio | tournament selection might be what it's called |
| 05:25.29 | poolio | I don't see any way around the crossover issue though, unless you wanted crossover to modify the shapes themselves to normalize them to the current shapes in the other tree, but I don't think that makes much sense |
| 05:25.29 | brlcad | with usual fitness values, crossover tends to work well because crossing something with fitness .7 and .8 tend to give something that is .7 or better on average |
| 05:25.42 | brlcad | with the scaled values, though, you could pretty much get anything though |
| 05:26.50 | poolio | ah crap |
| 05:26.56 | poolio | I never thought of that... |
| 05:27.04 | brlcad | what you can do is take the bounding box of your input geometry, make that your grid -- and only create geometry within those bounds |
| 05:27.29 | brlcad | so position becomes a parameter, but it makes the fitness work |
| 05:27.29 | poolio | http://my.brlcad.org/~poolio/mon_2spheres.jpg |
| 05:27.55 | poolio | wait |
| 05:28.12 | poolio | so setting up the raytracing of the indviduals would use the a fixed frustrum? |
| 05:28.16 | poolio | for every individual |
| 05:28.51 | brlcad | yeah, those results seem fairly random.. cept for the times it gets stuck on a mildly bad answer |
| 05:29.09 | brlcad | yeah, fixed bounds |
| 05:29.13 | brlcad | based on your input |
| 05:29.23 | brlcad | absolute world coordinate space |
| 05:29.56 | brlcad | if input model is 100,100:-100,-100 then that is what you shoot in and create sample geometry in |
| 05:30.26 | brlcad | you'll have to rework a few pieces of your code undoubtedly |
| 05:30.30 | brlcad | but I think you really will have to |
| 05:30.45 | brlcad | and sorry, I should have thought about that scaling issue earlier better myself :/ |
| 05:31.38 | poolio | no man, it's my project and my failure to think of this sooner |
| 05:33.10 | brlcad | you have a mentor for a reason :) |
| 05:33.23 | poolio | I think having crossover meaningful and working is a lot more important than the scale and global position invariance |
| 05:33.30 | brlcad | either way, it's still looking good, just the fact that you have crossover working on trees! |
| 05:34.15 | poolio | it was so easy to code, it was such a trivial thing that took so long |
| 05:34.18 | brlcad | and all being done through the librt geometry api, native hooks, calling into the ray tracer, awesomeness |
| 05:34.22 | poolio | crossover on trees is as easy as swapping pointers |
| 05:34.36 | poolio | well I'm happy if you're happy :) |
| 05:37.10 | brlcad | i'll of course be happier as it gets better too ;) |
| 05:37.52 | poolio | yeah yeah. next couple of days should be good. now that I can see some progress I'll probably make more |
| 06:11.42 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I will adjust the cron thing. |
| 06:12.02 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: it's not a problem per se, just wondering |
| 06:12.46 | brlcad | kinda cool that it'd stay up to date, but if they're like most web apps, they'll eventually break compatibility and require upgrade scripts to run on the db, or other actions to be taken, etc |
| 06:13.17 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: An upgrade script was already running. |
| 06:14.27 | MinuteElectron | I will remove the cron thing an from time to time update it to the revision currently running on Wikipedia. All of the commits havbe been reviewed by the CTO of Wikimedia\Head developer of MediaWiki before they go onto Wikipedia., |
| 06:15.36 | brlcad | sure, review is great .. but eventually compatibility is (intentionally) broken so code can advance -- is this a stable branch or head? |
| 06:16.06 | MinuteElectron | head, what do you mean by compatability? |
| 06:16.49 | brlcad | i mean they add some great new feature X or change how feature Y works, and that might, for example, require a new field be added to the database |
| 06:17.22 | brlcad | maybe requires whole new tables, or even simply reworks how they behave in a manner that's not the same as it was |
| 06:17.35 | brlcad | that happens to all code eventually |
| 06:17.35 | MinuteElectron | Ok, I will switch to a stable branch, although I have had much experience with MediaWiki - and the upgrade script automatically does all of the SQL updates. |
| 06:18.05 | brlcad | ah, so that's what you meant by an upgrade script was already running |
| 06:18.11 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 06:18.11 | brlcad | I just noticed the svn update |
| 06:18.29 | MinuteElectron | That is how they do it on Wikipedia - if they broke things then the entire of Wikipedia would break. |
| 06:18.37 | MinuteElectron | So svn up, php update.php |
| 06:19.21 | brlcad | which might imply that they are either working on a deployment branch, or they treat head like a stable branch |
| 06:19.29 | brlcad | and perform active work on a branch then |
| 06:20.03 | brlcad | if it'll work that's fine, just good to understand what is what :) |
| 06:20.41 | MinuteElectron | Ahh, okay. I will update it peridoically to the latest revision live on Wikipedia. |
| 06:23.05 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: How is LDAP setup going? |
| 06:26.42 | brlcad | it's installed and running, but no config exists for it yet |
| 06:27.10 | MinuteElectron | ok, I will have to read up on that this afternoon. |
| 06:27.18 | MinuteElectron | if I am getting the right end of the stick |
| 06:27.29 | brlcad | yeah, i'm trailblazing new territory myself as I've mostly dealt with existing configs |
| 06:28.15 | brlcad | I'll work on it some more tomorrow and see what I can get going |
| 06:28.33 | brlcad | was there anything you needed for the rewrites or you have that all under control now? :) |
| 06:28.42 | MinuteElectron | It is still broekn. |
| 06:28.59 | MinuteElectron | I added the aliases to httpd.conf and reset apache. |
| 06:29.04 | MinuteElectron | But it still doesn't work. |
| 06:30.23 | MinuteElectron | I am very confused. |
| 06:34.48 | brlcad | I can play with it, I remember the internal redirect rules in media causing all sorts of issues |
| 06:35.16 | MinuteElectron | they are? |
| 06:35.19 | brlcad | took a while to get it to work with their latest (set up last winter) |
| 06:36.00 | MinuteElectron | I removed the settings from MediaWiki so if the aliases work it MediaWiki will just redirect to /w/index.php/page |
| 06:37.05 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, I will work on all this later. School for me now. |
| 06:38.27 | brlcad | you know, something like the drupal header, but inverted (both vertically and color) would work pretty well for the footer |
| 06:38.41 | brlcad | er, I mean the default theme |
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| 10:56.07 | poolio | mornin' |
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| 13:18.56 | ``Erik | *stretch* *yawn* |
| 13:22.39 | Laniakea | Can someone help me with the mged that has the itcl problem? |
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| 13:33.24 | ``Erik | the . issue from yesterday? |
| 13:36.23 | ``Erik | I assume you're using 4.1? |
| 13:37.33 | Laniakea | 4.09 |
| 13:37.34 | Laniakea | 4.0 |
| 13:37.37 | Laniakea | not 4.09 |
| 13:40.15 | ``Erik | hum, tell ya what, once I get this thing slapped together, I'll see if I can reproduce it on 4.1. If I cannot, I'll make a 4.0 image :) |
| 13:40.31 | ``Erik | will take a while, though, building the emulator, then installing into an emulator... |
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| 14:33.23 | ``Erik | neat, bus error on install |
| 14:34.54 | dtidrow | binary install? |
| 14:36.42 | Laniakea | ``Erik: you need to fix your bus |
| 14:36.48 | ``Erik | install of obsd41 in qemu, to track a bug Laniakea is seeing |
| 14:36.52 | Laniakea | pull out an oscilloscope and measure the eye patterns! |
| 14:37.36 | poolio | brlcad: should I normalize the shot rays [0,1] now or just leave the depth of the ray as is? I don't have to normalize because they're all going to have the same depth (z of the bounding box is the same for all individuals) |
| 14:38.15 | Laniakea | brlcad: I am thinking (not very seriously) about making an opening logo animation for Twibright Labs movies |
| 14:38.36 | Laniakea | taking a wave equation solver, put Twibright Labs logo into the wave, run the simulation and then record it backwards. |
| 14:39.01 | Laniakea | Is it a good idea to use the resulting height map and feed it into brl-cad with some water parameters and sun at the horizon to get a realistic looking raytraced scene? |
| 14:39.11 | Laniakea | Can you have a real height field in brl-cad? |
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| 14:44.24 | ``Erik | um, the 'dsp' primitive might be what you're looking for |
| 14:44.30 | ``Erik | (yes, the name is stupid.) |
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| 14:49.13 | poolio | brlcad: http://my.brlcad.org/~poolio/mon_2spheres_fixed.jpg -- with fixed bounding box |
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| 15:26.08 | brlcad | poolio: you can either normalize the rays or not, shouldn't really matter except that your fitness function will probably want to normalize at least from the perspective of getting the ratio of right/wrong so it can determine the overall fitness value |
| 15:27.36 | brlcad | I actually think that looks a little better, but it either converged on a local minima or there's some other bug at play |
| 15:32.36 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Is the LDAP ready for configuration? |
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| 15:36.58 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: in what sense? :) |
| 15:37.09 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Making it work. |
| 15:37.15 | brlcad | it's installed and ready like I said yesterday .. but has no configuration file :) |
| 15:37.23 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Am I able to make one? |
| 15:37.30 | MinuteElectron | Or do you need to? |
| 15:37.30 | brlcad | you should be able to, yeah |
| 15:37.37 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 15:42.33 | brlcad | there's an ldap user just like the www user that you should be able to sudo as |
| 15:43.09 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 15:43.12 | brlcad | config would go in /var/db/openldap-data |
| 15:43.13 | brlcad | iirc |
| 15:43.29 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 15:43.57 | brlcad | the restart script is in /usr/local/etc/rc.d for slapd (which you can run as just sudo without -u ldap) |
| 15:46.28 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Would the LDAP server be located at localhost? |
| 15:46.37 | brlcad | yes |
| 15:46.56 | brlcad | and should only be accessible locally, no remote access |
| 15:47.00 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Which port? |
| 15:47.30 | brlcad | should be on the default, 389 |
| 15:47.39 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 15:47.48 | brlcad | yep, it is |
| 15:51.12 | brlcad | it really does need a configuration file, though .. default is going to be wrong |
| 15:52.21 | poolio | brlcad: there's something f-ed with my debian install, I put it under heavy load trying to test out more generations/larger populations and I hard lock :\ |
| 15:53.39 | ``Erik | nifty |
| 15:59.14 | brlcad | hehe |
| 16:00.58 | ``Erik | sure it's not a hw issue? |
| 16:05.00 | poolio | not entirely sure |
| 16:05.05 | poolio | but if it is I'm going to be very angry |
| 16:08.35 | poolio | alright |
| 16:08.37 | poolio | lets try this again |
| 16:09.33 | poolio | Hmm, my lap is burning. |
| 16:10.02 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: sudo: /usr/local/etc/rc.d: command not found |
| 16:11.06 | poolio | brlcad: oh d'oh, that's the issue |
| 16:11.13 | poolio | I only have 512 mb of swap and 1gb of ram, and it's all full |
| 16:11.23 | poolio | I'm guessing I should fix my memory leaks |
| 16:11.54 | ``Erik | um, shouldn't be a hard lock, linux should start throwing OOM messages and killing processes left and right |
| 16:12.34 | ``Erik | (now, it may LOOK like a hard lock as it tries to clean up swap space tables in kernel... but evnetually it should come back) |
| 16:12.37 | poolio | well, it's not actually a hard lock, it's a: it's so slow I can't move the mouse or type or do anything |
| 16:12.55 | poolio | and I give up trying to attempt to kill it and just power down |
| 16:13.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:13.15 | ``Erik | X can be a memory pig :) |
| 16:13.33 | poolio | Well, not really, X isn't the issue |
| 16:14.04 | ``Erik | your leaks are, but with your app and X fighting over memory and beating up swap, it bet it got ugly... console would've probably been a lot more responsive :) |
| 16:14.24 | poolio | Well, my X and everything else running is minimal |
| 16:14.35 | poolio | Idling right now I"m using a total of 84M |
| 16:14.55 | ``Erik | X tends to be aggressive about image caching |
| 16:15.47 | ``Erik | freshly started, it's tiny, but it grows, and gets thrashy if you get towards oom and it tries to clear out some cache |
| 16:16.03 | poolio | hmm, valgrind is being of no help |
| 16:16.06 | poolio | I might have to use my brain |
| 16:16.28 | ``Erik | <-- likes to sit at an X server and do dev work and big runs on other machines |
| 16:16.48 | ``Erik | um, boehm? |
| 16:17.20 | poolio | what's boehm? |
| 16:17.23 | ``Erik | boehm-gc |
| 16:17.47 | ``Erik | hans boehm wrote a GC that works with c/c++ programs, it can be used to find dangling allocs and stuff |
| 16:18.15 | ``Erik | I d'no if valgrind can do the same thing as well |
| 16:18.46 | ``Erik | if neither show it, that means the chain is still live |
| 16:23.55 | poolio | ``Erik: It looks like it's a library, not a program |
| 16:24.16 | ``Erik | it is |
| 16:24.39 | ``Erik | LD_PRELOAD=libgc.so ./myprog |
| 16:24.44 | ``Erik | or link against it |
| 16:24.49 | poolio | oh alright |
| 16:24.51 | ``Erik | it over-rides the alloc family |
| 16:25.33 | ``Erik | I think you have to do something funky to get it to report collects and stuff |
| 16:25.37 | ``Erik | been a while |
| 16:25.40 | ``Erik | and a long time, too |
| 16:33.29 | poolio | yeah I don't get any output |
| 16:35.03 | ``Erik | is the app growing at the same rate? |
| 16:37.20 | poolio | haven't tested yet, I've been doing some other tweaking |
| 16:38.54 | poolio | alright |
| 16:38.59 | poolio | lets see if it works better :) |
| 16:39.40 | poolio | ``Erik: Yeah, just as bad |
| 16:39.53 | poolio | After ~30 seconds I'm up to 80% |
| 16:40.12 | poolio | and we are full :\ |
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| 16:44.32 | poolio | ``Erik: :\ |
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| 16:46.49 | poolio | well, it looks like it wasn't going good anyway |
| 16:48.45 | poolio | brlcad: same issue: http://my.brlcad.org/~poolio/mon_2spheres_pop500.jpg -- converges on a sphere |
| 16:51.18 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I am not going to be able to get LDAP set up by tonight. |
| 16:51.25 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: There is not enough time. |
| 17:02.46 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I have to go, I will be back on Saturday next week. And will finish work on the site over that week (I think). If you want you may edit the wiki and Drupal, since they both function you could put something in the topic saying they are open to editing maybe. If you make an account on either I will check back in ~2 hours and make you an admin on both. |
| 17:05.25 | brlcad | ~MinuteElectron++ |
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| 17:39.23 | poolio | brlcad: is there some sort of safe atoi() anywhere in brlcad? reading an unsigned int passed as an argument |
| 17:45.36 | ``Erik | atoi() isn't safe? |
| 17:46.08 | ``Erik | src/librt and src/rt make heavy use of regular old atoi() |
| 17:49.07 | poolio | oh alright :) |
| 17:49.12 | poolio | well I just have to error check it |
| 18:05.01 | IriX64 | there's a young atoi()? o of course ateentoi() ;) |
| 18:05.21 | poolio | yuck yuck |
| 18:05.31 | IriX64 | snarkle :) |
| 18:08.11 | IriX64 | somebody wanted to know what i was the other day, I responded "cute and adorable" what are you? (snort) |
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| 18:20.35 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03poolio * 10brlcad/src/gtools/beset/beset.c: cosmetics, comments, and working options |
| 18:20.53 | poolio | and the memory leak isn't there |
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| 19:48.37 | poolio | where's the fookin leak. :\ |
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| 21:49.18 | brlcad | poolio: did you run valgrind? |
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| 21:57.34 | poolio | errr |
| 21:57.36 | poolio | brlcad: big problem |
| 21:59.18 | poolio | brlcad: My mom tripped over my AC adapter and kicked the brick into the wall, and now the charging brick isn't working. I didn't notice at the time and so I drained my battery to nothing, and then it died. It's an Asus so it's not carried in stores but I'm trying to get one ASAP |
| 22:01.07 | brlcad | poolio: ah, that sucks |
| 22:01.13 | brlcad | thanks mom :) |
| 22:01.42 | poolio | ....tell me about t |
| 22:01.44 | poolio | *it |
| 22:02.08 | brlcad | radio shack has the components to make a custom fitted adapter, I've used them for a few laptops |
| 22:02.19 | brlcad | just in case you're looking |
| 22:07.08 | poolio | "custom fitted" ? a in hacked together? :P |
| 22:07.26 | brlcad | no, they have sort of a universal power adapter kit |
| 22:07.38 | brlcad | you identify the tip, and the power requirements |
| 22:07.47 | poolio | Oh, like the Targus universal adapter thing? |
| 22:07.48 | brlcad | they have a standard brick for various amperages |
| 22:08.04 | brlcad | kinda, except that they have bigger/smaller bricks |
| 22:08.16 | brlcad | and you usually just buy the tip you need |
| 22:08.17 | poolio | alright, and they have all the tips? |
| 22:08.27 | poolio | the main issue is it's an Asus and it's not really carried ... anywhere |
| 22:08.31 | brlcad | only way to know is to take in your adapter to see |
| 22:08.39 | brlcad | usually about 20-40 if they have the tip |
| 22:08.46 | brlcad | or maybe remembering low |
| 22:08.52 | brlcad | maybe 40-80 |
| 22:08.58 | poolio | yeah, I live really near one, Ill try to run up and get one tonight, if not I talked with the reseller I bought the laptop from and they can ship it tomorrow and get it to me Monday |
| 22:09.27 | brlcad | what's your brick say for power? |
| 22:09.43 | poolio | output is 19v |
| 22:09.50 | brlcad | ah yeah, they should have that |
| 22:10.19 | brlcad | might not even need the universal for that if you get lucky |
| 22:10.29 | brlcad | as they have various sizes prefit |
| 22:10.34 | poolio | well what i'm concerned about is the tip |
| 22:10.48 | poolio | the radio shacks here are really small, you sure they carry this stuff? |
| 22:10.49 | brlcad | yeah, just take in the laptop and adapter, test it |
| 22:11.16 | brlcad | i've yet to see one that didn't, but dunno for your area ;) |
| 22:11.47 | brlcad | it's usually in the back with the eletronic components .. where you *used* to be able to find cool stuff like resistors and capacitors :) |
| 22:11.56 | poolio | hehe |
| 22:12.04 | poolio | alright I'm going to head up there now, wish me luck :) |
| 22:12.09 | brlcad | good luck :) |
| 22:13.12 | poolio | it's covered under warranty but by the time it ships to taiwan and I get it back it'll be way too late |
| 22:13.19 | poolio | alright, off I go |
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| 22:14.51 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/TUuTO168.html <---- remeber fbserv, this one is bwish. |
| 22:15.38 | IriX64 | something weird, stuff is in there 3 times for the link |
| 22:16.08 | brlcad | there's nothing wrong with listing link items multiple times |
| 22:16.16 | IriX64 | ok |
| 22:16.57 | brlcad | the problem is still the same, there is some X library missing from the link line |
| 22:17.07 | IriX64 | this off cvs as of yesterday btw |
| 22:17.12 | brlcad | you have -lX11 -lX11 -lXext -lXi |
| 22:17.18 | brlcad | there is another Xsomething missing |
| 22:17.32 | IriX64 | well you fixed fbserv please fix this one :) |
| 22:17.48 | brlcad | it's not something to "fix", it's based on configure options |
| 22:17.52 | brlcad | and configure tests |
| 22:18.05 | IriX64 | where should i look |
| 22:18.42 | brlcad | it's using a standard set of X11 library tests, we didn't even write them, so probably something is wrong in those tests for cygwin |
| 22:18.49 | brlcad | and the library has to be manually tested |
| 22:19.08 | IriX64 | do you know which lib? |
| 22:19.26 | brlcad | search the web, sett which library has XParseColor, XVisualIDFromVisual, XClipBox, etc .. all those undefined reference symbols are in some library -- need to find out which one |
| 22:19.46 | IriX64 | thanks, ill search |
| 22:19.47 | brlcad | s/sett/search for/ |
| 22:20.59 | IriX64 | i'll use ignore for now, don't reallly need bwish to play around |
| 22:21.59 | brlcad | it would help if you searched/found the issue, otherwise you're just going to bring it up again in a couple days and it will still be unresolved :P |
| 22:22.23 | IriX64 | lets hope there are none past that point ;) |
| 22:25.52 | IriX64 | why am i building this for an opteron, I had hopes of sharing it :) |
| 22:33.44 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/bzott990.html <--- hate to keep bothering you but this one's mged, and i *need mged, guess i really better start searching. |
| 22:37.15 | IriX64 | i'll keep it churning but if it's specific to my system, there really no point bothering you with it |
