| 00:00.17 | ``Erik | technically, the ampi stuff *SHOULD* refer to the detected tcl init.tcl file, not the included |
| 00:00.18 | ``Erik | um |
| 00:00.19 | IriX64 | see |
| 00:00.21 | ``Erik | but it don't |
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| 02:49.38 | brlcad | it "should" and does in head iirc |
| 02:50.09 | brlcad | the tricky one is itcl which I think is picking up the tclConfig.sh from our sources |
| 02:50.22 | brlcad | so it gets compiled looking for a specific version (which at run-time doesn't exist) |
| 02:52.42 | ``Erik | hm, when I looked, itcl was using src/other/tcl/library/init.tcl, which had a requires exactly line |
| 02:52.45 | ``Erik | or, uh |
| 02:52.47 | ``Erik | ampi was, rather |
| 02:52.57 | ``Erik | mebbe both |
| 02:53.21 | ``Erik | I have an ed hack in the fbsd port to work around the issue |
| 02:53.22 | ``Erik | :/ |
| 02:53.36 | ``Erik | "heros" is on, btw... kinda half watching it.... |
| 02:54.20 | ``Erik | how's the new machine coming? |
| 02:58.34 | brlcad | not much since saturday |
| 02:59.00 | brlcad | finished backups, did some more performance testing, had some DDoS stuff to take care of on Sunday |
| 03:01.43 | Supaplex | yucky :p |
| 03:03.48 | starseeker | brlcad: Am I correct that latest cvs still needs the patched itcl/itk? |
| 03:08.42 | brlcad | Supaplex: not the first, not the last :) |
| 03:08.54 | brlcad | and wasn't the brl-cad site.. but related hardware getting hit :) |
| 03:08.59 | Supaplex | yup. kiddies. |
| 03:17.16 | ``Erik | damn christa miller is rompable |
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| 03:34.20 | fiberchunks__ | damned router :/ |
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| 03:45.00 | ``Erik | a bz'er? |
| 03:45.55 | fiberchunks | yah, long time ago |
| 03:46.01 | fiberchunks | now, not so much |
| 03:46.28 | ``Erik | <-- never gotten into the bz groove |
| 03:46.36 | ``Erik | just noticed your channels :D |
| 03:46.51 | fiberchunks | great game, just have no time for it anymore |
| 03:46.56 | ``Erik | the boy *points at brlcad* seems to be into it |
| 03:47.09 | fiberchunks | yah, I've known him for quite some time |
| 03:47.52 | fiberchunks | without him, there'd likely be very little in the way of mac work for it |
| 03:48.07 | fiberchunks | among other things |
| 03:48.07 | ``Erik | true |
| 03:48.23 | ``Erik | I'm under the impression that there's only one other person really pushing the game, uh |
| 03:48.27 | ``Erik | matt or something |
| 03:48.39 | fiberchunks | jeff |
| 03:48.44 | ``Erik | jeffm? |
| 03:48.48 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 03:48.51 | ``Erik | not riker |
| 03:49.03 | ``Erik | yeah, I think jeffm is it |
| 03:49.23 | fiberchunks | oh tim? he's always around -- I'm not sure how into it he is anymore, but he's the 'official' king tut |
| 03:49.47 | ``Erik | I was name dropping to someone and tey were like "omfg, you know tim riker?" and I said, no, an active dev, so they said jeffm... heh |
| 03:50.12 | ``Erik | I THINK it was jeffm |
| 03:50.22 | ``Erik | my memory aint' so good in my old age *sigh* |
| 03:50.29 | fiberchunks | most likely - he's one of the most active |
| 03:50.29 | brlcad | naw, more than that working on it |
| 03:50.41 | brlcad | arguably 2-3 guys "leading" most of the work (and that doesn't include tim) |
| 03:50.56 | ``Erik | damn, christa ... damn |
| 03:50.56 | brlcad | and not counting the peripheral coders |
| 03:50.57 | fiberchunks | tim still the figurehead, brlcad ? |
| 03:51.05 | brlcad | on paper, sure |
| 03:51.13 | fiberchunks | some things never change :) |
| 03:51.18 | brlcad | he's done even less since you were last around |
| 03:51.20 | ``Erik | seriously, would anyone here turn down christa miller? |
| 03:51.33 | fiberchunks | fancy -- why doesn't he turn it over I wonder |
| 03:51.41 | brlcad | he popped in one day a few months ago when gsoc kicked off to vote on the student submissions |
| 03:51.52 | brlcad | but that's about it for '07 |
| 03:51.59 | ``Erik | hopefully I rate as #2 or at least a close #3 for BRL-CAD dev :D |
| 03:52.08 | brlcad | ``Erik: I know lots of chicks that would turn her down :) |
| 03:52.37 | ``Erik | I think my chick would saddle up for her, so it's all good :D |
| 03:52.55 | fiberchunks | yay, take pictures! |
| 03:52.58 | ``Erik | once you quit screaming "tmi", ... |
| 03:53.25 | brlcad | hey, so long as you're not in the pics, I"m all for it! :) |
| 03:53.27 | ``Erik | a buddy of mine up in nyc a psych phd, finally bought a mac today |
| 03:53.45 | ``Erik | she's going between ecstatic and terrified |
| 03:53.52 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:54.03 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 03:54.17 | fiberchunks | bastich! |
| 03:54.33 | ``Erik | I might buy an ibook soon |
| 03:54.43 | ``Erik | they look like decent little machines if you slap a little ram in |
| 03:54.49 | fiberchunks | i'm thinking of one of those fancy new imacs for the family |
| 03:55.08 | ``Erik | I'm waiting for a field report on the video card performance |
| 03:55.19 | ``Erik | if the intel chip does what I need done, ... *shrug* |
| 03:55.40 | brlcad | last I read, the imac video "problem" was fixed with the latest rev |
| 03:55.57 | brlcad | you can actually run dual head now, which was stupidly crippled before |
| 03:56.04 | fiberchunks | yeah, what the hell is with the condensation thing? they put an icebox in that thing? |
| 03:56.25 | ``Erik | multiscreen isn't my concern, it's the performance for running "wow" that worries me |
| 03:56.56 | ``Erik | if a plain chicklet macbook maxes cpu on wow, I'll buy one... otherwise, I might go pro for the nvidia chip |
| 03:57.25 | fiberchunks | mmmmm, nvidia. Although, if amd does things right, in a couple of years ATI could be decent again |
| 03:57.46 | ``Erik | I have a sour taste to nvidia. |
| 03:57.54 | fiberchunks | why for? |
| 03:57.59 | ``Erik | their unix guys... don't understand unix |
| 03:58.05 | fiberchunks | I've never had anything but sucess with their cards |
| 03:58.24 | ``Erik | the ioctl stuff was fucking BAD, it relied on outright bugs in linux code, which made the fbsd effort ugly |
| 03:58.35 | ``Erik | also; they didn't hire me, so poo on them. :D |
| 03:58.40 | fiberchunks | haha |
| 03:59.10 | fiberchunks | ah fbsd, my exp is strictly with linux and of course doze (for solidworks at work, regretfully) |
| 03:59.13 | ``Erik | but seriosuly, their ioctl stuff relied on a weirdness of linux with memory addressing |
| 03:59.45 | ``Erik | namely, linux has a weird behavior of reporting "local memory" at the same address of wire memory in an ioctl |
| 03:59.52 | fiberchunks | well, that's what I partly mean with ATI and AMD deciding (hopefully) to do the right thing when it comes to drivers -- so the community can work on them as well |
| 03:59.53 | ``Erik | whcih is not the case for, y'knwo, EVERY REAL OS |
| 04:00.00 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:00.17 | ``Erik | so nvidia's drivers behavior of assuming reported ioctl addy is both wired and real... that's wrong |
| 04:01.58 | ``Erik | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=89042 |
| 04:04.17 | fiberchunks | so that's a linux kernel issue and an nvidia driver issue then |
| 04:05.48 | ``Erik | this was over 6 years ago.. |
| 04:06.04 | fiberchunks | fancy -- good to see response time is good ;) |
| 04:06.38 | fiberchunks | also good to see that I can't properly read anything (like dates and stuff ) |
| 04:06.43 | ``Erik | :) |
| 04:09.08 | ``Erik | was a long time ago |
| 04:09.17 | ``Erik | http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/software.php?id=72 was the fallout |
| 04:09.19 | ``Erik | *grouse* |
| 04:10.03 | ``Erik | damn apple finds good bands to use on their commercials O.o |
| 04:10.41 | louipc | I don't think I've heard a single metal band yet |
| 04:11.11 | fiberchunks | you know, I love their products, but christ does itunes for the pc suck, which i'm really surprised about |
| 04:11.17 | fiberchunks | or maybe I shouldn't be |
| 04:11.53 | brlcad | they're not used to coding software on top of steaming piles ;) |
| 04:12.00 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 04:12.03 | ``Erik | hehhee |
| 04:13.14 | fiberchunks | what's the going rate these days for a 17" macbook pro? |
| 04:13.21 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N3OrZzPud8 |
| 04:14.00 | fiberchunks | oof, nevermind -- too rich for me right now |
| 04:14.22 | brlcad | don't forget the blessed educational or gov't discounts ;) |
| 04:14.33 | brlcad | don't even need to prove it *ahem* |
| 04:14.35 | fiberchunks | oooo, I do have a student too :) |
| 04:14.46 | fiberchunks | what's the discount? |
| 04:14.51 | brlcad | usually about 10% |
| 04:14.58 | fiberchunks | sweet |
| 04:22.04 | ``Erik | wow, they really suck live |
| 04:22.30 | ``Erik | the instruments are spot on, but the vocs, geez |
| 04:23.33 | louipc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28GaKoCuobU |
| 04:24.20 | ``Erik | strat++ |
| 04:26.20 | louipc | \m/ |
| 04:26.57 | louipc | man I can't wait until march |
| 04:27.11 | louipc | I'll be seeing them |
| 04:27.17 | ``Erik | back in hs, my buddies were big into iron maiden and judas priest... wasn't so much myself |
| 04:27.37 | fiberchunks | oh yeah man, eddie and the priest |
| 04:27.42 | fiberchunks | awesome stuff |
| 04:28.24 | ``Erik | I got more into old school ac/dc, metallica, ... |
| 04:28.40 | ``Erik | bon scott, yo! |
| 04:28.47 | fiberchunks | iron maiden isn't old school? judas priest? dear god man! :) |
| 04:28.54 | louipc | ac/dc is good but it's all the same song haha |
| 04:29.01 | ``Erik | well |
| 04:29.03 | ``Erik | 3 songs |
| 04:29.10 | ``Erik | ... done over... and over...and... over... |
| 04:29.11 | ``Erik | :D |
| 04:29.11 | louipc | old school metallica vs. current metallica? |
| 04:29.14 | ``Erik | :D |
| 04:29.26 | ``Erik | metallica with long hair and promotion of "piracy" |
| 04:29.30 | fiberchunks | current or recent metallica is crap |
| 04:29.34 | ``Erik | jean jackets ands hit |
| 04:29.36 | louipc | yea |
| 04:29.46 | ``Erik | kill 'em all! |
| 04:29.51 | louipc | master of puppets |
| 04:30.04 | ``Erik | last good album they did :( |
| 04:30.11 | ``Erik | if I had a hat, I'd doff it to cliff right now. |
| 04:30.47 | fiberchunks | i prefer good, old fashioned sabbath with the ozman |
| 04:31.10 | ``Erik | yeah, 70's bslack sabbath is good |
| 04:31.12 | ``Erik | um |
| 04:31.19 | ``Erik | the, uh, last ozzya lbum sucked |
| 04:31.26 | ``Erik | um, johnny something? |
| 04:31.30 | ``Erik | johnny blade? |
| 04:31.35 | louipc | yeah I can't completely get into the Dio stuff |
| 04:31.54 | ``Erik | with the pic of the dude flying the plane... that album sucked |
| 04:31.56 | fiberchunks | well, once you reach a certain age, or can't remember precisely where, or who, you are -- it's time to get off the train. I mean really :) |
| 04:31.59 | ``Erik | the ones before kicked butt |
| 04:32.15 | louipc | hehe yea |
| 04:32.19 | ``Erik | and some of ozzies "solo" stuff was awesome |
| 04:32.34 | fiberchunks | randy rhodes FTW |
| 04:32.42 | ``Erik | yeah, randy was good |
| 04:32.51 | ``Erik | another one worth doffing a hat to :( |
| 04:33.03 | fiberchunks | black label society is kick ass as well (thinking of ozzy guitarists) |
| 04:33.31 | ``Erik | since we're on a grim rode, dimebag, mentiond bon scott and cliff, ... |
| 04:33.34 | ``Erik | :( |
| 04:33.49 | fiberchunks | only the shitkickers die young |
| 04:34.04 | louipc | chuck shuldiner \m/ |
| 04:34.30 | fiberchunks | lemme see, jimi, stevie ray, john bonham (my personal drum idol), etc etc |
| 04:34.39 | ``Erik | stevei's still alive |
| 04:34.53 | fiberchunks | 'scuse me? |
| 04:34.57 | ``Erik | I though |
| 04:34.59 | louipc | no he aint |
| 04:35.02 | ``Erik | doh |
| 04:35.08 | fiberchunks | no, stevie ray vaughn is very very mort |
| 04:35.21 | ``Erik | oh damn, 17 years ago |
| 04:35.36 | louipc | buddy guy is still alive :P |
| 04:36.01 | ``Erik | wow, heh |
| 04:36.04 | ``Erik | um |
| 04:36.16 | ``Erik | layne staley, kurt cobain, ... |
| 04:36.33 | fiberchunks | i dont' know what it is the past couple of years, but I've really been getting into bluegrass of all things |
| 04:37.03 | ``Erik | I've gotten heavy into blues and bubblegum the last few years... |
| 04:37.54 | ``Erik | always been a fan of triphop, though :D but metal and hard rock are what I've been up on since a kid |
| 04:38.27 | fiberchunks | ditto that -- I was and still am into trance -- can't really stand rap / hip-hop except for tech nine |
| 04:38.38 | fiberchunks | although my fiancee loves rap |
| 04:38.40 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 04:38.45 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:43.45 | fiberchunks | gotta go to bed, take it easy |
| 05:11.25 | brlcad | good to see the chunk man up and about, hadn't talked to him in months |
| 06:04.48 | yukonbob | nice nickname "The Chunk Man" |
| 06:07.01 | brlcad | hehe |
| 06:07.13 | brlcad | he fits his namesake pretty well |
| 06:14.16 | brlcad | yukonbob: if it's possible to get a copy of that newhub model, I'd like to investigate why four of the pixels are wrong |
| 06:15.53 | brlcad | at least, four that seem wrong -- can't say that they are without seeing the model and walking the specific ray through the model |
| 06:17.03 | brlcad | it's on a primitive that doesn't have any known problems for that shape, so it's definitely worth investigating |
| 06:35.51 | yukonbob | ya -- np. |
| 06:36.37 | yukonbob | are you looking at interior of middle body? |
| 06:36.49 | yukonbob | hint: I doubt I knew about 'pipe' at that time... |
| 06:41.36 | yukonbob | brlcad: drop me note when ready -- I'll be in/out of irc tonight till I go to sleep, then here again tmo... |
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| 09:41.57 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/vls.c): |
| 09:41.59 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: protect the vararg function declaration in bu.h with the same defines as used in the definition in libbu/vls.c |
| 09:42.02 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: remove redundant declaration in libbu/vls.c |
| 09:44.22 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/src/libbu/libbu.dsp: add fchmod.c (according to libbu/Makefile.am) |
| 09:52.13 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/src/librt/db_open.c: |
| 09:52.16 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: It is hard to decide in db_close if bu_close_mapped_file should be called or not: |
| 09:52.18 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: db_open calls bu_open_mapped_file, db_clone_dbi does not. |
| 09:52.20 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: Now, db_open calls bu_close_mapped_file if it is a re-use of a previously mapped file. |
| 12:06.35 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/ (48 files in 48 dirs): Initial check-in. |
| 12:42.46 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/bwish/cadAppInit.c: Only include windows.h for btclsh on Windows. |
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| 15:48.36 | DEFCON | hi all |
| 15:48.52 | DEFCON | Maloeran are u here |
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| 15:50.17 | Defcon | hi Blue_D |
| 15:51.45 | Blue_D | Hey DEFCON |
| 15:52.26 | brlcad | eventually |
| 15:53.55 | Defcon | i love the render of the tank btw |
| 16:16.02 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Crystal (Large)/ (56 files): remove duplicate theme, src/tclscrtips/archer/images/Themes/Crystal_Large seems to be a complete copy plus later updates, and it's actually included in the dist (this one is not) |
| 16:22.21 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: No longer need SEARCH_ARCHER. |
| 17:33.16 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/include/config_win.h: Modify default values for BRLCAD_ROOT and BRLCAD_DATA. |
| 17:33.19 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald 07STABLE * 10brlcad/configure.ac: move socket and nsl lib stuff to PKG_LIBS (fix for solaris) |
| 17:40.05 | CIA-27 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/configure.ac: carry the solaris fixes over from STABLE |
| 18:47.28 | yukonbob | brlcad: drop me a line when you're ready for that file |
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| 22:34.14 | starseeker | but apparently not as a tarball... |
| 22:35.34 | starseeker | Hehe - if someone does get this running we could try running BRL-CAD on it again ;-) |
| 22:36.09 | yukonbob | starseeker: apparently there are no machines available anymore that run this code natively... |
| 22:37.48 | starseeker | emulator time ;-) |
| 22:54.57 | starseeker | Come to think of it, Macsyma at MIT was on Multics at one point... I may still have that manual around here somewhere... |
| 22:56.01 | ``Erik | which emu will be the first to support it? |
| 22:56.30 | ``Erik | simh might be a serious contendor... but bochs and qemu are both pretty active and have both splayed out into lots of arch's |
| 22:57.21 | starseeker | I think http://orangesquid.net/projects/ge635/ is working on it... |
| 22:57.38 | starseeker | Apparently some of the hardware IO setups for Multics were... complex |
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| 22:58.52 | starseeker | I wonder if a modernized Multics would still be a viable operating system contender |
| 23:01.27 | louipc | qemu is probably better |
| 23:01.29 | ``Erik | some of the hardware i/o setups for unix were complex, too |
| 23:03.00 | yukonbob | ``Erik: you in same office as brlcad ? |
| 23:06.10 | ``Erik | same building, different room |
| 23:10.02 | yukonbob | or so that if we want him in IRC, he gets a shock. |
| 23:13.30 | starseeker | Hehe |
| 23:18.47 | ``Erik | hum |
| 23:18.53 | ``Erik | shocking brlcad... that could be fun :D |
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| 23:48.54 | brlcad | my other irc client actually rings a loud bell whenever I'm messaged |
| 23:49.02 | brlcad | but i've not used that in a while |
| 23:50.18 | PrezKennedy | that would drive me nuts |
| 23:52.02 | ``Erik | brlcad, on bz in my home dir, get bike.g, for yukonbobs issue |
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| 23:56.42 | brlcad | got it |
| 23:57.38 | ``Erik | "hubcomb" is where the artifacting shows up, according to him... *shrug8 I'm still building, so I'll let him jabber to ya *shrug* :D |
| 23:58.41 | ``Erik | bleh, screw it |
| 23:58.41 | ``Erik | version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.4, need 8.5 |
| 23:58.53 | ``Erik | and I'm home and dorking with os stuff |