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| 00:41.33 | brlcad | that's awesome |
| 00:41.58 | brlcad | I gather the template isn't live yet |
| 00:42.15 | brlcad | either way, sounds like great progress! |
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| 08:20.25 | yukonbob | weebee: if you're not using a registered nick, I think you can't send txt in private chats. |
| 08:22.27 | weebee | ok. I assume registering is as simple as sending a message to the nick server? : ''msg nickserv register <passwd>"' |
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| 10:03.22 | weebee | test |
| 10:12.19 | Axman6 | 'lo all |
| 10:14.41 | Axman6 | i'm getting weird compile errors: In file included from if_wgl.c:63: |
| 10:14.41 | Axman6 | /usr/include/tk.h:72:3: error: #error Tk 8.4 must be compiled with tcl.h from Tcl 8.4 |
| 10:15.29 | Axman6 | i'm on OS X 10.5, and my configure command loks like this: ./configure --with-x11=/usr/X11 --enable-optimized --enable-64bit-build LDFLAGS="-L/usr/X11/lib" CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/X11/include" CFLAGS="-m64 -mtune=nocona -arch x86_64 -lGL -lX11 -dylib_file /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib:/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGL.dylib" |
| 10:15.53 | Axman6 | that's what was required to get it to configure ok, but i guess not enough to build :\ |
| 10:18.24 | Axman6 | might try without the 64-bit stuff first actually |
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| 15:22.36 | brlcad | Axman6: using system tcl and tk on mac os x presently configures correctly, but (obviously) doesn't compile correctly -- have to let it build brl-cad's |
| 15:23.07 | brlcad | you can use the --enable-all flag and it should work |
| 15:23.41 | Axman6 | yeah i cleaned up my configure flags a lot, found a leopard bug apparently. circular referencing with a few libs |
| 15:24.19 | brlcad | hm, what's -dylib_file? |
| 15:25.00 | brlcad | tells it to only allow dylib linkage or something? |
| 15:25.02 | Axman6 | oh also, make distclean deletes the configure script. that should probably changed i think |
| 15:26.06 | Axman6 | it was something that was suggested on apple's dev site to get projects that won't compile in leopard any more. |
| 15:28.24 | brlcad | ah, that entire libGL bit that follows is related to it, used to redirect from one dylib to another |
| 15:28.40 | brlcad | though you're redirecting to the exact same file.. :) |
| 15:28.46 | brlcad | shouldn't need that at all |
| 15:29.49 | brlcad | or -lGL or -lX11 .. if you have to manually add them, something else is wrong |
| 15:33.43 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: why is the redrawing of the wireframe so slow? |
| 15:34.05 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I am modelling a terminal block (terminal strip) and it's starting to be very slow |
| 15:39.54 | Axman6 | brlcad: well --enable-all doesn't give me OpenGL support sadly |
| 15:41.30 | Axman6 | how do i specify where my OpenGL libraries are? |
| 15:46.39 | Axman6 | i've tried using "./configure --enable-all --with-ogl=/usr/X11" because all the required libs and headers appear to be in there, but no dice |
| 15:58.36 | brlcad | Z80-Boy: really hard to say without knowing a lot more about what's going on, how many segments, what display types, machine details, etc |
| 15:59.46 | brlcad | Axman6: OpenGL support doesn't provide what you think it provides in BRL-CAD -- the X11 interface is fully equivalent |
| 16:00.56 | Axman6 | yeah i didn't think it would do things like give me interactive models in real time or anything... but this is a brand new MacBook Pro, and it has an amazing gpu, so it could help ;) |
| 16:01.42 | brlcad | that said, if you can post up your config.log, I can take a look at why it's failing to detect |
| 16:01.46 | Axman6 | what does it actually do by the way? |
| 16:01.57 | Axman6 | ok, cheers |
| 16:02.34 | brlcad | brl-cad has a concept of framebuffers and display managers, some of them being ogl, wgl, x11, and a few others |
| 16:03.04 | brlcad | they're all pretty much functionally equivalent for the most part, it just defines the protocol that it's speaking |
| 16:03.15 | brlcad | you will get interactive models in real-time with any/all of them |
| 16:03.30 | brlcad | you just won't get shaded displays with any of them outside of ray-tracing the model |
| 16:04.35 | brlcad | so turning on the ogl interface on your macbook basically just tells it to make ogl_() calls instead of the equivalent (but faster) direct X11 calls for drawing a wireframe representation |
| 16:05.18 | Axman6 | ok, great. thanks for clearing that up for me |
| 16:05.20 | brlcad | did you try the binary installer for Mac, that isn't far off feature-wise from the latest sources |
| 16:05.25 | brlcad | np |
| 16:06.02 | brlcad | where "latest sources" means latest cvs sources, it's equivalent to the 7.10.4 source tarball |
| 16:10.33 | Axman6 | brlcad: could i maybe email you the config.log? seems to be too big for most paste sites |
| 16:12.38 | Axman6 | i might have found it anyway: |
| 16:12.51 | Axman6 | configure:42679: checking for OpenGL functionality |
| 16:12.52 | Axman6 | configure:42716: gcc -o conftest -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11/include -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wnewline-eof -g conftest.c >&5 |
| 16:13.21 | Axman6 | would not having a -L/usr/X11/lib have anything to do with it? |
| 16:17.33 | brlcad | yeah, possibly |
| 16:17.51 | brlcad | could set the LDFLAGS for it |
| 16:18.09 | brlcad | but seriously, it's not going to get you *anything* over the X11 interface that it apparently did detect :) |
| 16:18.22 | Axman6 | yeah, i'm not using it |
| 16:18.43 | brlcad | I'll have to get my hands on 10.5 to probably patch that |
| 16:18.59 | brlcad | but I suspect the X11 detection macros aren't quite right yet on 10.5 |
| 16:19.17 | brlcad | since apple moved from X11R6 to X11 |
| 16:21.00 | Axman6 | yeah |
| 16:21.31 | Axman6 | feels like a step backwrds really. i hope they relese some updates to it soonish |
| 16:22.20 | Axman6 | +1* |
| 16:22.26 | Axman6 | +a* even |
| 16:22.52 | Axman6 | so are you the main dev brlcad? |
| 16:25.18 | Axman6 | bleh, this thing really heats up when compiling things |
| 16:36.14 | Axman6 | bleh, yeah BRL-CAD failed compilation |
| 16:40.52 | Axman6 | http://pastie.caboo.se/123765 |
| 16:40.59 | brlcad | Axman6: yeah, main dev |
| 16:41.12 | Axman6 | well well done :) |
| 16:41.24 | brlcad | not when the build fails :) |
| 16:41.44 | brlcad | ooh, i've seen that error |
| 16:41.48 | Axman6 | i haven't played with BRL-CAD for a few years, but i remember it being lots of fun really |
| 16:42.14 | brlcad | it's 10.5 specific, a problem in CoreFoundation.. hmm, now to remember what the fix was.. |
| 16:42.15 | Axman6 | none of the problems i've been having seem to be your fault, so i'm not blaming you ;) |
| 16:45.36 | brlcad | is there actually a /usr/X11/lib/libPng.dylib ? |
| 16:46.49 | Axman6 | there's a /usr/X11/lib/libpng.dylib, case shouldn't count right? |
| 16:47.37 | brlcad | right |
| 16:50.03 | brlcad | so my vague recollection of this problem is that Tcl links against CoreFoundation which includes the ApplicationServices framwork, which embeds an ImageIO framework .. which uses a libPng library that it doesn't rpath correctly |
| 16:52.50 | brlcad | and the problem being then that an app that is already linked against libpng that uses Tcl (which btclsh app being run in this case is like that), then runs into a dynamic loader problem |
| 16:53.33 | brlcad | hmm hmm hmm.. |
| 16:53.58 | brlcad | can you do a locate libPng ? |
| 16:54.14 | brlcad | if that returns nothing, then "locate libpng" |
| 16:54.34 | Axman6 | can i paste 5 lines? |
| 16:54.38 | brlcad | go for it |
| 16:54.47 | brlcad | usually over 5 is the pain threshold ;) |
| 16:55.25 | Axman6 | /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib |
| 16:55.28 | Axman6 | /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib |
| 16:55.32 | Axman6 | /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib |
| 16:55.52 | Axman6 | um, right, yeah, hang on |
| 16:55.59 | Axman6 | /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib |
| 16:56.02 | Axman6 | /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib |
| 16:56.05 | Axman6 | /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib |
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| 16:57.02 | Axman6 | bah, the fact that it's trying to use a /command doesn't anoy me, it's that only two of the 5 lines are being interpreted as commands :( |
| 16:58.35 | Axman6 | actually, that's ok. it was picking stuff up from /Previous\ Systems/... which isn't relevent anyway |
| 17:03.02 | Axman6 | anyway, don't suppose you've found a fix yet have you? |
| 17:03.28 | Axman6 | i'm about to go to sleep, so if you do, just hilight me and i'll get it in the morning |
| 17:04.45 | curious | 'due to pressure from huge russian fan base , we were forced to change all filenames to unicode and use cyrylic for headers' |
| 17:05.52 | brlcad | okay, so there's what it needs |
| 17:06.04 | brlcad | but it's pulling the one in /usr/X11/lib due to ordering decls |
| 17:06.17 | brlcad | that's actually a case where the -dylib_file might come in handy |
| 17:07.32 | brlcad | Axman6: yeah, I think there are a couple things that can be tried -- it's pulling the one in /usr/X11/lib due to ordering decls instead of the embedded one |
| 17:08.29 | Axman6 | would... renaming /usr/X11 one help maybe? just temporarily |
| 17:10.21 | Axman6 | nope |
| 17:12.10 | Axman6 | i'm guessing it should be linking against /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ImageIO.framework/Versions/A/Resources/libPng.dylib right? |
| 17:22.06 | Axman6 | ok, i'm going to sleep. good night, and thanks for the help. if you think of anything, hilight me and i'll see it in the morning :) |
| 17:24.10 | brlcad | okay, i'll see if I can craft up a specific line to try |
| 17:24.20 | brlcad | multitasking a bit too heavy at the moment to keep up :) |
| 18:09.35 | ``Erik | oh ffs, wtff |
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| 22:43.14 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: if there's a region entry missing from the material file, just fake an entry for |
| 22:43.16 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: it instead of aborting. this lets processing continue for the rest of the |
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