IRC log for #brlcad on 20071204

00:44.41CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fb/cell-fb.c: strNcat
00:57.15CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fb/fbstretch.c: too many lines
01:12.07``Erikheh
01:32.42CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/fb.h: don't need the non __STDC__ decls any longer, include bu.h in order to declare the stdarg compiler hint
01:36.55CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): remove the last traces of stdarg/vararg testing. c89 conformance provides the stdarg interface.
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12:07.49Axman6"Implement or integrate a RenderMan-compliant interface (e.g. Pixie) to BRL-CAD's ray-trace library" looking to have Toy Story 6 rendered entirely using BRL-CAD eh brlcad? :P
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13:08.41brlcadAxman6: heh, not exactly
13:08.48brlcadbut would be interesting :)
13:08.52Axman6aww :P
13:08.53CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: update to the details on the C++age since there is some now
13:09.10Axman6yeah, i'd be interested to see how it would stack up to what Pixar uses
13:12.49Axman6also, if you want to do more Leopard work, the MBP's all yours for the next 8 or so hours
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14:13.33brlcadAxman6: thanks, though I think I've done what I can
14:14.13brlcaddid you get my message earlier -- what does it do/report if you run "/usr/brlcad/bin/mged -f" now?
14:14.20Axman6ok, well if you have any bright ideas, t's all yours
14:14.46Axman6same X error
14:20.11Axman6just tried in the guest account, same thing
14:20.27Axman6and seep time for me. G'night all
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14:56.36MaloeranEh well, Mark is meeting Disney Studios on the December 17th to talk about raytracing stuff, rayforce and renderman probably
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15:00.13DEFCON_very nice :)
15:01.08DEFCON_btw: hi Maloeran
15:01.17DEFCON_tnx for Ectroverse again :)
15:04.41MaloeranOh hrm, have you been playing? That was such a long time ago :)
15:07.12MaloeranA rather stressing and annoying experience overall, it sure taught me to stick to writing code rather than manage some kind of community, and never again to write code "for fun, as it goes" without any kind of planning whatsoever
15:10.37DEFCON_haha
15:10.45DEFCON_yeah i know what u mean actually
15:11.04DEFCON_but the game is still alive after 5(?) years
15:11.25MaloeranSo I heard. I haven't had the heart to check it out
15:11.33DEFCON_it would be nice if u dropped by
15:11.40DEFCON_www.ectroverse.com
15:12.01MaloeranAre you involved somehow or in touch with these people?
15:12.08DEFCON_just make a quick "hi" post in the forums
15:12.19DEFCON_"these ppl" as in brlcad or ev?
15:12.31Maloeran:) I mean Ev
15:12.36DEFCON_:)
15:12.40DEFCON_yes, yes i am
15:13.24MaloeranEh nice. Are you somehow involved in BRL-CAD as well?
15:13.40DEFCON_not involved no
15:13.50DEFCON_but i follow the app
15:13.56DEFCON_i like the results of it
15:14.20MaloeranI sure remember a DEFCON on IRC from the EV days, but I must admit it's a bit vague, the memories are slowly coming back
15:14.33DEFCON_yeah it was me
15:14.33DEFCON_:)
15:14.49DEFCON_do you remember berlijnse_bol aka daydreamer?
15:14.57MaloeranOh sure, of course
15:15.10DEFCON_he is a friend of me irl
15:15.20DEFCON_he introduced me to ev
15:15.34DEFCON_we(you and me) actually talked alot about ev
15:15.41DEFCON_and programming in general
15:16.13DEFCON_i remember that you were playing around/learning the openGL and stuff
15:16.14MaloeranYes, I remember. I'm sorry it took me a while for the memories to resurface
15:16.30DEFCON_i can imagin :)
15:16.46MaloeranI think the mind may have pushed these memories far back, it was not always overly pleasant
15:16.46DEFCON_you were creating landscapes and stuff
15:16.56DEFCON_why not?
15:17.28DEFCON_my involvement in brl-cad : http://www.wazig.be/_dev/xor_text
15:17.32MaloeranMostly, it was the "duty" of having to do some constant work on a piece of software that I wrote as a quick experiment and it grew out of hands
15:17.42DEFCON_haha
15:17.47MaloeranThe code design sure was horrible, no planning whatsoever, just experiements pilling up
15:17.54Maloeranexperiments* too
15:18.03DEFCON_i thought u wanted to create a better imperial conflict
15:18.04DEFCON_:)
15:18.34MaloeranYes yes... :) Originally, it still was just an experiment, something quickly put together an afternoon
15:18.50DEFCON_haha
15:18.51DEFCON_rly
15:18.52MaloeranThen people started registering, discussing it, asking for features, and you can guess the rest
15:18.58DEFCON_indeed
15:18.58DEFCON_:)
15:19.05DEFCON_still, it works great
15:19.18DEFCON_and ppl still play it after 5 years
15:20.01MaloeranIt's rather nice to see that actually. Would you happen to know if anyone ever redesigned... hum, the whole code? :)
15:21.02DEFCON_i know that yes
15:21.07DEFCON_no it didn't happen
15:21.18DEFCON_we are still using your code
15:21.35DEFCON_but over the years our "Maincoder" has made several changes
15:21.44DEFCON_*little changes
15:21.57MaloeranShould I guess that you are that person?
15:22.15DEFCON_wrong
15:22.25DEFCON_i wish i knew C that good
15:22.31DEFCON_but i'm still a vb.net person
15:22.43MaloeranTsk :), all right
15:22.56DEFCON_:)
15:24.04MaloeranI don't think I want to drop by and say "Hi", I'm a bit ashamed of how I burned out and disappeared
15:25.29DEFCON_aargh
15:25.37DEFCON_that REALLY doesn't matter
15:25.50DEFCON_ppl there would love to hear something from you
15:26.05DEFCON_they still refer to you as their god :)
15:26.43MaloeranYes, a friend googled my name some time ago and told me of that... *shivers* :)
15:27.00DEFCON_haha :)
15:28.19MaloeranSo how has life been for you and Daydreamer since these days?
15:28.58DEFCON_i finished college(in belgium) and now i work as a developper
15:29.06DEFCON_daydreamer is now a history teacher
15:29.09MaloeranI chatted with DD briefly many months ago, I kept in touch with spooky3do for a long time
15:29.17MaloeranVery nice
15:29.29DEFCON_but i didn't see him for a long long time
15:29.44DEFCON_spooky3do yeah i remember him
15:29.45DEFCON_:)
15:30.47MaloeranHe used to come on Efnet where we chatted frequently ( not so much of the old EV days ), until last month. I don't suppose you know where to catch him?
15:31.42DEFCON_we tracked you down, didn't we
15:31.55DEFCON_so i guess one could track him down 2 :)
15:32.17DEFCON_but no, i don't know where to find him immediately
15:32.30Maloeran:) All right, I was just wondering
15:33.27DEFCON_:)
15:37.01DEFCON_is he german?
15:38.02MaloeranYes he is
15:38.43DEFCON_http://ic-wiki.com/index.php?title=IC_Map_Generator
15:39.46MaloeranEh, IC was kind of hard to play without that kind of tool, I assume they fixed that since then
15:39.56DEFCON_when i google "spooky3do" i only find old logs of him playing games are making tools
15:40.00DEFCON_no Maloeran
15:40.05DEFCON_it's still the same map
15:40.14DEFCON_no generator, no ..
15:40.21DEFCON_still very hard to play
15:40.21DEFCON_:(
15:40.22MaloeranOuch, what a shame
15:40.27DEFCON_true
15:40.58MaloeranWriting an online game was so amazingly easy, that part was rather interesting
15:41.08MaloeranIn comparison to dealing with computational fluid dynamics anyway
15:42.18DEFCON_haha
15:42.20DEFCON_indeed
15:43.00``Erikheh
15:43.03``Erikmorning, mal :)
15:43.07DEFCON_brlcad, rayforce is way to advanced for me
15:43.12MaloeranHey Erik
15:43.12DEFCON_,... btw
15:43.51DEFCON_:)
15:43.57Maloeran:) I think Mark want to try selling something to Disney first
15:44.05MaloeranHe's meeting them on December 17th
15:44.13``Erikof course, he wants closed source and money in his pocket
15:44.37``Erikand if you get some of that $'s, too, that'd be gnarly
15:44.57MaloeranWell, I suppose I will, I hold the copyright and control the patents...
15:45.05DEFCON_haha smart :)
15:46.11DEFCON_:)
15:46.20``Erikhahaha
15:46.23DEFCON_haha
15:46.38``Erikjust think, I could be ponying up $'s for a fancy opengl ectoverse instead of paying evil blizzard/vivendi for wow!
15:46.47DEFCON_he could have made some money off of ev yes
15:47.08DEFCON_ev is web based
15:47.11DEFCON_no opengl
15:47.17``Erikin its current invocation, yes
15:47.19DEFCON_but hell, that would be soo cool
15:47.27MaloeranThere was an opengl client at some point, to explore the map
15:47.32DEFCON_yes
15:47.37DEFCON_it still exists
15:47.40``Erikbut even web based, if you wan to go to the darkside, um
15:47.42DEFCON_i still use it
15:47.45DEFCON_:)
15:47.48``Erikkrissa was doing webstart opengl apps for a bit
15:48.21MaloeranWriting web stuff these days would be terribly annoying, with all this Flash or whatever else, which changes every 6 months
15:48.29``Erikheh
15:48.30MaloeranEctroverse used HTML 3.1 pages
15:48.41DEFCON_indeed :)
15:48.41``ErikI've been learning this "ajax" stuff
15:48.56DEFCON_ajax with perl?
15:48.58``Erikdisgustingly simple, but the interface impact makes me wonder
15:49.06DEFCON_indeed
15:49.08DEFCON_simple
15:49.09``Erikno, php on the back end, planning on moving to a lithp DSO or something
15:49.11DEFCON_ah
15:49.22MaloeranAs for OpenGL based software, people tend to have high expectations regarding 3d graphics and related art
15:49.32DEFCON_true
15:49.40``Erikbut they didn't in '97! woulda been the perfect time to break in :D
15:49.45DEFCON_:)
15:49.52``Erikand, uh
15:50.01``Erikhave you seen wow? peoples expectations aren't THAT high, dude
15:50.02DEFCON_mal would be rich now :)
15:50.14DEFCON_just make ppl addicted
15:50.19``Erikthe noisy ones who whine about 3d quality are the .5% of consumers called "hardcore gamers"
15:50.30DEFCON_or chineese
15:50.34Maloeran'97? Ah, '92 would have been perfect!  You could buy games like Raptor on the shelves, software that I wrote a "clone" of in 3 days in a rush for fun
15:50.47DEFCON_hahaaa
15:50.57``Erikyeah
15:51.05DEFCON_kill that market :)
15:51.09``ErikI remember the days when you could have something fun and kinda impressive in a day or two in asm
15:51.30DEFCON_those times are over
15:51.32DEFCON_:(
15:51.38``Erikthe languages haven't kept pace with the expectations :( thus my renewed interest in lithp
15:51.56MaloeranWell Erik, if you get some good idea for a fun project, I could use something much lighter than CFD to relax my mind on
15:52.23``ErikI remember when I was dorking with an fps, getting a reasonably nifty algorithm from aav and coding it in scheme at 'good' framerates in an hour or two
15:52.39DEFCON_http://lithp-systems.websystems.nl/ ?
15:53.02``Erikwell, I have a few fun ideas, but they tend to be revolving around capitolizing on web based things these days
15:53.50DEFCON_i'm starting to dislike this channel
15:53.51``Eriklow fruit markets need trivial delivery and upgrade paths, and the web shit offers that... and I'd like to make my living working in my basement in my underwear O.o :D
15:53.59MaloeranHow so, DEFCON_?
15:54.02DEFCON_u guys make me feel dumb
15:54.02DEFCON_:)
15:54.02``Erikcuz I said web? :D or capitolize?
15:54.24``Erikheh, sorry, got a couple heavy hitting geeks going...
15:54.30DEFCON_true :)
15:54.37``Erikwere you here when starseeker was talking provability theory?
15:54.39DEFCON_few of the best here
15:55.00MaloeranEh well, we may have more experience too, I vaguely remember you were younger
15:55.16DEFCON_at the end of my college, i had 93% on mathematics and 96% on software
15:55.24DEFCON_and u guys make me feel dumb
15:55.24DEFCON_:)
15:55.38DEFCON_whow 0_à
15:55.43DEFCON_i'm only 23 yo now :)
15:55.45``Erikthe cs/math/physics in college was a cakewalk
15:55.53DEFCON_true
15:55.57MaloeranErik started coding before I was born, I'm 24
15:56.06DEFCON_true :)
15:56.06``Eriksummer of '83 I think
15:56.22``Erikmy dad brought home a shiney new coleco adam, and it had a basic interpreter built right in
15:56.22MaloeranOh darn, I was born first then
15:56.38DEFCON_haha, i didn't
15:56.49``Erikand it's not like you could run down to kmart or eb and buy games back then
15:57.06DEFCON_maybe i should leave vb.net for what it is and set my mind 100% on C
15:57.16``Erikso my dad ordered a book called "games apples play" or something that was all basic listings for the appleII
15:57.22``Erikand I started portin' :D
15:57.29DEFCON_sweet :)
15:57.37MaloeranDefcon, I think that would be great, but don't use EV as learning material :)
15:57.37DEFCON_i remember my first game
15:57.42``Erikindeed
15:57.55DEFCON_no Maloeran, ``Erik told me that before :)
15:57.58``Erikmal was learning :D
15:58.03DEFCON_indeed :)
15:58.13``Erikimpressive output for what the architecture and style speaks to
15:58.26MaloeranMal was also writing code as fast as he could without any planning, I was not *that* bad at the point, if I wanted to
15:58.44``Erik<-- tends to bog down in the academics of perfection :(
15:59.31DEFCON_haha :)
15:59.38``Erikand in honing that art, I've become adept at creating some of the ugliest crap ever :D
15:59.47``ErikI mean, look what I did to twingys libtie last night
15:59.58DEFCON_what?
16:00.18DEFCON_btw: u should sleep at night
16:00.18``Erikheh, lemme find the URL with diffs
16:00.20DEFCON_k
16:00.32``Eriklast night being around 5:30pm
16:00.41DEFCON_ohw
16:00.44DEFCON_ok then
16:00.46``Erikhttp://brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net/brlcad/brlcad/src/adrt/libtie/
16:01.24DEFCON_what should i see?
16:01.43``Erikum
16:02.09``Erikpreprocessor symbol manging to permit multiple execution paths in the same binary object from the same source code
16:02.10MaloeranDegenerate triangles? I had to filter out these as well
16:02.43PrezKennedyDo degenerate triangles have 4 sides?
16:02.48``Eriktwo copies of libtie now exist in libtie.so, one built for float and one for double... and it "just kinda picks the right one"
16:02.59DEFCON_ah
16:03.11DEFCON_anyway, i'm going home now, search a decend C compiler
16:03.19``Erikwe mostly use gcc
16:03.23DEFCON_k
16:03.23DEFCON_tnx
16:03.24DEFCON_:)
16:03.31DEFCON_i'll c you guys tomorrow
16:03.35DEFCON_maybe this evening
16:03.37``Erikit's even available on windows as "cygwin" or "msys" or "mingw32" or "djgpp"
16:03.43MaloeranSee you later, defcon, it was nice to se you again
16:03.50DEFCON_it sure was Maloeran
16:03.50Maloeransee* too
16:03.53DEFCON_:)
16:04.18``Erikalso;
16:05.03MaloeranOh. :)
16:05.12MaloeranSo Erik, any development on your fun projects? I really need something else than work these days
16:05.19``Erikum
16:05.24DEFCON_<PROTECTED>
16:05.24DEFCON_$100 worth of heroine, a dozen bags
16:05.29DEFCON_= jab ?
16:05.30DEFCON_lol
16:05.31DEFCON_cya
16:05.40``Erikhttp://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/ajax/hi.html
16:05.54``Erikthe tiniest kernel of a seed of an idea there
16:06.16``Erikstart typing a word (english)
16:06.49MaloeranI see..
16:07.05MaloeranWell, it's something I wouldn't know how to do with my html 3.1
16:07.07``Erikfun, huh? :D
16:08.02``Erikthe php for that almost looks lisp-like, too
16:08.05MaloeranDoes it connect to some database? I don't suppose it's all client side with a huge dictionnary, as Javascript would be
16:08.58``Erikno
16:09.02``Erikum
16:09.05``Erikheh
16:09.10``Erikit's ugly right now
16:09.47``Erikthe php has all of /usr/share/dict/words stored in an array and does map and filter operations on it...
16:10.14MaloeranAh, okay
16:10.24``Erikmy next step I think is to get a persistant lisp environment running, build the list into a global suffix tree, then the request simple walks the existing tree
16:11.31CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfb/ (Makefile.am fbserv_obj_win32.c): looks like the windows build is using the real fbserv_obj.c file now, no longer need the fbserv_obj_win32.c empty stub
16:11.35``ErikI kinda want to avoid an rdbms
16:14.48CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfb/libfb.dsp: let vc6 try to use the fbserv_obj.c file too instead of the empty stub
16:28.44brlcadMaloeran: a new cracked glass algorithm in opengl for bzflag (responding to 'something else than work these days') :)
16:29.06``Erikooh, bzbots!
16:29.18brlcadbzbots are almost done
16:29.32``Erikthe interface? cuz there's always room for new ai's :D
16:29.41brlcadyeah, the interface
16:29.57brlcadthat was one of our GSoC projects that I mentored heavily
16:30.16``Erikthink there'll be an issue with people unleashing bots on player servers? or will the server admins be diligent enough?
16:30.47``ErikI know back in quakeworld, that was a "problem", and well behaved bots had a command to remove them
16:30.47brlcadwe now have a programmable interface to the clients, allows pretty much any language
16:31.00brlcadnot any more of a problem than we already have
16:31.40brlcadthe bots already identify themselves as such so some measures are easily taken to allow server ops to say whether they want them or not, how many, etc
16:32.06brlcadif someone wants to be malicious, they can sure find a way, but then that's not limited to bots
16:32.52brlcadour interface is now pretty much "complaint" with the Robocode interfacd
16:33.07brlcadsave for the conversions that were needed to make it work with 3D instead of just 2D
16:34.01brlcad(e.g. they had "width" and "height" for map dimensions.. height in 3D is something else, so we changed it to mean Z and added a length/depth function)
16:34.45``Erikright, we talked about that at the bowling alley
16:35.04brlcadthere's a generic textual interface where you can connect to a port and issue commands (from any code/language/program), or you can use the C++ Robocode layer, or you can use a higher level scripting language (presently only Python is hooked in)
16:35.08brlcadyeah
18:51.20prasad_whoa new op
18:51.48prasad_dr. mike's email addy should be the same right?
18:54.00``Erikshould be
19:00.14prasad_``Erik: know if he finished his 2nd phd?
19:00.21prasad_was on population dynamics
19:00.33``Erikum, he was still working on the thesis last I heard
19:00.56``Erikhe had most of the data, he just had to write it up
19:01.31prasad_that was when i was still working there :\
19:01.42``Erikyeah, procrastination is grand :D
19:01.56``ErikI d'no if he's actually worked on it
19:02.30MaloeranOh, prasad_ is back among the #brlcad population :)
19:02.47prasad_hey mal
19:02.56prasad_how's progress on real time rt?
19:02.59``Erikwouldn't blame him if he didn't, I mean, job with a new exciting area, hell of a commute, wife and two kids... I can't imagine him sitting around bored
19:03.14MaloeranAnd I just realized I have no idea whatsoever if there's a difference between "among" and "amongst"
19:03.39Maloeranprasad_, I have been on computational fluid dynamics or in Australia lately, but Mark from Survice is supposed to talk with Disney soon
19:03.59prasad_pixar?
19:04.16prasad_following the footsteps of hiro nakamura? :P
19:04.16MaloeranYes, for Renderman probably
19:04.32prasad_masi oka did fluid dynamics for pixar
19:04.36prasad_before he joined heroes
19:04.46MaloeranOh, the CFD and Disney are unrelated
19:04.51prasad_i'll be expecting mal to be in heroes season 4
19:04.52prasad_;)
19:05.11prasad_oh booo :(
19:05.25``Erik(disney is a major reason the current us copyright laws are so fucked up...  the "mickeymouse" laws)
19:05.26``Erik:D
19:05.33prasad_so what happened with ur ray tracer?
19:05.37prasad_is it open sourced now?
19:05.43``Erik"ur"? I should backhand you, boy
19:06.12MaloeranNot yet, I think Mark want to try to get something from Disney and probably otherrs first
19:06.20Maloeranothers*
19:06.23``Erik(rt->disney, cfd->gvt)
19:07.47``Erikjjuusstt  ttuurrnn  ooffff  eecchhoo
19:08.53prasad_(flash intensive) u guys seen this?
19:08.53prasad_http://www.iedvigilance.com/index_fl.html
19:09.16``Erikbuy a mac, save the 64b linux for the server room :D
19:09.19prasad_crysis mod for ied detection training
19:10.21``Erikheh
19:12.29``Erikadd up the bytes consumed, iterations per second and cache damage from doing that... :) or try it and see if it's faster O.o
19:14.43MaloeranIt's technically faster, but I think I should begin to compromise my optimisation principles... when anhiliating code readability for a 0.2% gain
19:17.58``Erikall design tradeoffs *shrug*
19:18.36brlcadMaloeran: there's not really a difference (among vs amongst), pretty interchangable
19:18.49MaloeranAll right, thanks brlcad
19:19.01brlcadthere's probably a diff with the brits, but sans st is more common in the US
19:19.07``Erikm-w lists amongst as a variant of among
19:19.20brlcadsame with while and whilest
19:19.38``Erikmy dad tends to use the -st forms O.o it's annoying :D
19:19.41brlcadjust an older english form
19:19.55Maloeran*nods* Okay
19:20.21archivistus brits use the whole words
19:20.55alex_joniarchivist: and sometimes even the correct form of them
19:21.01brlcadprasad_: what's the point of the link?
19:21.02``Erikyou brits and your extra letters and wrong letters
19:21.11brlcadthe ied description?
19:21.57archivistyou yanks and spelin /me blames Dewey
19:22.07``Erikhttp://dag.wieers.com/personal/docs/spelling.txt   <-- american brilliance to FIX that damn nasty language *cough* er, wait, no, wait a minute O:-)
19:22.21brlcadthe screen rotation on the ied explosion is kinda lame
19:24.52``Erikjapanese is similar, extremely phoenetic
19:24.53brlcadyou learn the alphabet and you can properly pronounce every word
19:25.11``Erikand generally monotonal in enunciation
19:25.17brlcadyeah, cept there's only 28 or so letters in spanish :)
19:25.35``Erikhehehe, but there're fewer SOUNDS in japanese
19:25.54brlcadjust a lot of grunting and bowing
19:26.05brlcadhaigh!
19:26.06``Erikano baka kuso ttare
19:26.32``Erikactually, that's "hai", two letters, see?
19:26.33brlcadMaloeran: all the romantic langs are *really* similar
19:26.35MaloeranA french speaking person can actually understand quite a bit of written spanish
19:26.57alex_jonibrlcad: romanic
19:27.02brlcadfrench, spanish, portuguese, italian .. I can get the gist in any of them
19:27.15``Erikany romance language can understand a chunk of other romance languages, just like any germanic language can understand chunks of other toutonic languages *shrug*
19:27.30``Erikand english is a horrible train wreck combining the two *cough* O:-)
19:27.37brlcadalex_joni: actually "romance" iirc, hence romantic fits :)
19:27.46prasad_brlcad: reminded me of SLAD :P
19:27.57prasad_then again slad doesnt do training
19:27.58prasad_:\
19:28.15alex_jonibrlcad: they are actually derived from latin
19:28.22``Erikthey train you to be ineffective, unhappy, and ... :D O:-)
19:28.40prasad_hehe
19:28.59alex_joninot sure why they are called "romance".. we call tehm romanic languages (after the roman (e.g. rome) people)
19:29.14alex_jonibbl
19:29.45``Erikthe womans? like naughtius maximus? biggus dickus?
19:31.00brlcadalex_joni: you could probably find that etimology a little easier, but I'm pretty sure romance is more prevalent (though admittedly nothing to back that up atm)
19:31.14brlcadhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages  ;-)
19:31.28``ErikI've always heard "romance language" to describe the latin based family
19:32.07brlcadprobably something useful in the wiki footnotes, but I don't really care *that* much :)
19:32.17``Erikbrlcad, any more activity with migration.txt ?
19:43.01brlcadwhat do you mean?
19:43.35``Erikit looks like just netowrking performnace testing, then data migration and testing... I d'no what all is rigged up on that, so I don't want to get my fingers in it
19:43.48brlcadooh, server migration.txt...
19:43.52brlcadwas thinking cad
19:43.59``Erikdot org, yes :D
19:44.51brlcadonly activity in the past week was me paying the bill, so no not recently :)
19:45.03brlcadhad a couple big distractions come up past two weekends
19:45.09``Erik<-- thinkin' he's at the point where he'd be best as 'consultative assistance' if anything, but eager to inflict horrible sins of humanity on the new machines config... :D
19:45.21``Eriksins against humanity, rather
19:45.42brlcadyou're welcome to test the net performance, dunno if you have any tools in mind
19:46.01brlcadi was going to do some ttcp'ing on old and new for starters
19:46.24brlcadto something that has more bandwidth
19:46.28``Erikthat was my notion, but I'm not sure on the location, and doubt I have an appropriate bounce host that's fast enough
19:47.30brlcadit's down in florida, I was thinking to/from cad or a hopkins host I can get to on internet2
19:47.58brlcadanything on > 100MBit line should do the trick
19:48.02``Erikheavy hitting on cad might get perimeter notice
19:48.44brlcaddone it before to test cad's performance, which this still does effectively
19:48.44``Erikand the uni server I have is fiber capped at 20mbps (last I heard) and heavily overburdened (due to cheap hicks running the finance side)
19:54.51CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (Makefile.am sh/make_dmg.sh sh/make_pkg.sh sh/make_tar.sh):
19:54.53CIA-28BRL-CAD: update the helper build scripts to the new version variables now that MAJOR_,
19:54.55CIA-28BRL-CAD: MINOR_, and PATCH_ are no longer being individually subst'd. simplify them to
19:54.57CIA-28BRL-CAD: only require a single version number in triplet form instead of separated out
19:55.07CIA-28BRL-CAD: individually (only mac make_pkg script needed it broken up anyways).
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20:09.52``Erikwow, beer thirty already O.o
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21:17.33CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libtie/ (tie.c tie_kdtree.c): removal of the "bit hack"
21:46.09CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libtclcad/tclcadAutoPath.c: remove garbage in preprocessor line
21:47.50CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/other/tk/library/panedwindow.tcl: For the moment catch the " identify " commands. Every now and then they like to make noise.
21:49.26CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Add a catch around utility plugin creation.
21:53.01CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/misc/nsis/brlcad.nsi: Do a recursive copy of the bin dir.
21:58.41CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libtienet/ (tienet.h tienet_master.c): minimize use of tie.h
21:59.43CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/tclsh/library/installTree.tcl: Copy visual studio redist files.
21:59.51CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libtie/tie_struct.h: shuffle and pad the tie_s struct for slightly safer use outside of the dual-path environment...
22:01.52CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc8/ (60 files in 60 dirs): Mods to NOT treat wide chars as a built-in type.
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22:36.17kantorhi, I have downloaded BRL-CAD for Linux the latest version in binary form but I can't fin the main executable brlcad
22:36.33kantoris not in the bin directory of BRL-CAD
22:44.27CIA-28BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/make_dmg.sh: bah, convert the du size to megabytes for hdiutil, otherwise just caps out at a gb
22:44.37brlcadkantor: there's not a main "brlcad" executable
22:44.44brlcadBRL-CAD is a suite of tools that work together
22:45.07brlcad'mged' is the biggest of them, a quasi-unifying gui interface to a lot of the functionality
22:45.34brlcadarcher is another similar interface, albeit more a prototype under development
22:48.46kantorthanks
22:48.51brlcadthere are pretty extensive tutorials on the website for mged
22:49.15brlcadjust follow down the Documents list
22:49.44kantorok
22:50.20kantorto work with BRL-CAD you must to use the terminal, no ?
22:51.11louipcarcher doesn't like my Tcl version :/
22:52.23louipc8.5b2
22:53.40louipckantor: yeah the command line is essential
22:53.53brlcadbut not "necessary" :)
22:55.10brlcadkantor: you should be able to edit the archer script and change the tclsh to a btclsh (or /usr/brlcad/bin/btclsh if you don't want to add /usr/brlcad/bin to your path)
22:55.40brlcadfyi, archer's not really meant to be used by users -- it's prototype for devs
22:56.00brlcadmuch more graphically driven
22:59.57kantorbrlcad, you are one of the developers ?
23:22.44brlcadkantor: yep
23:23.07brlcadif you have any questions, particularly if you're interested in getting into brl-cad development, please let me know :)
23:23.21brlcadnew devs eagerly welcome ;)
23:25.58kantorthanks ;-)  I must to think about that (but it is a good idea), the only problem is that I'm developing two projects and it's hard to keep up . . .
23:26.10kantorI think you know that if you are a developer
23:27.56brlcad(emphatically)
23:29.34kantorI can find you here every day, no ? brlcad  
23:30.20brlcadyeah, pretty much
23:30.50brlcadi live in here .. maybe a few hours lag if I'm coding away or have gone to workout or something
23:31.11brlcadso what projects do you work on?
23:31.13louipchmm looks like it's libblt that doesn't like my Tcl
23:36.59kantorbrlcad, one is http://sourceforge.net/projects/odman/ and the other is  aping http://directory.fsf.org/project/aping/
23:38.23louipchmmm
23:38.51brlcadI think I've seen aping before
23:39.35kantorwhere ? I mean this one ?
23:40.50brlcadyeah, in the fsf directory
23:41.11brlcadyou do know that the original architect of brl-cad was the guy that first wrote ping?
23:41.30brlcadmike muuss
23:42.07kantoryes
23:42.10kantormike muuss
23:43.25kantorI saw the pictures from the funeral of Mike
23:44.04brlcadyeah, chris put those up -- rather eerie
23:44.12brlcaddidn't really look like him
23:44.19kantorand I read that the original ping program was written in one day, or night something like that
23:44.26brlcadyep
23:44.43kantorI think Mike was a great programmer
23:44.46brlcadhttp://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/ping.html
23:45.52brlcadhe was rather brilliant actually, and not just in programming
23:46.23brlcadhe was nearly single-handedly the reason why I started working on brl-cad so many years ago
23:46.52brlcadexceptionally charismatic and insightful guy
23:46.59kantorChris was one of hes best friend, no ?
23:47.10brlcadyeah
23:47.39kantoryes and that was my motivation too to write aping
23:49.34brlcadi was looking to recombine all of the various ping sources back into one official maintainership again a year or so ago, I think that's when I ran across aping
23:50.13brlcadas there's a windows variant with special options as well as maybe 2 or 3 significant *nix C variants
23:50.34brlcadall with nearly 80% overlap
23:52.42kantorunfortunately the development of aping was a little interrupted in the last 2-3 months . . .
23:53.22kantorwhatever
23:53.31kantorI'm going now
23:53.42kantorbye
23:53.52kantorsee you latter, alligator !
23:53.53kantor:)
23:54.47louipcerk the last blt release was in 2002?

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