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| 13:52.33 | curious | hmm. can brlcad operate on photors/using dynamic space-time domain? |
| 13:54.17 | curious | http://www.islandia.is/gko/EMNG04-moment.pdf photors as defined here |
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| 14:08.15 | poolio | :o |
| 14:08.54 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 14:12.09 | poolio | I'm disappointed by mbo's uptime :P |
| 14:14.41 | ``Erik | "mbo"? |
| 14:47.29 | poolio | my.brlcad.org |
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| 15:34.06 | brlcad | wtf |
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| 15:58.16 | brlcad | well that sucks, but apparently the ISP had a major power outage that lasted several hours, exhausting their backup power capacities too |
| 16:00.47 | louipc | ouch |
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| 18:36.38 | brlcad | well, there's a response on scan.coverity.com regarding our Coverity report |
| 18:37.26 | brlcad | we fall into that category of the projects that include other projects, related to why it's taking so long for them to get a new scan going |
| 18:44.27 | yukonbob | brlcad: re: coverity, is it possible to just submit the original files instead of the third-party support files? |
| 18:45.49 | yukonbob | ie: Tcl is already being scanned itself (and happens to be one of 11 projects in rung2, the hightest to day ;), and things like the utah raster, tcl extensions, etc. would be nice to test, but do they present too much interference to getting the original code (ie: librt) tested? |
| 18:46.05 | yukonbob | *highest to date |
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| 18:51.32 | MinuteElectron | Did something happen recently, my screen session went dead and some of my settings appear to have been altered. |
| 18:52.51 | MinuteElectron | That is quite ironic. |
| 18:52.57 | yukonbob | how so? |
| 18:53.50 | MinuteElectron | The server was taken offline a hundred or so days ago to install something to do with power, probably unrelated but if it is it just shows that meddling with something that works isn't a great idea. |
| 18:54.21 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29891 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/macosx/openUp.c: quell ohloh APSL license detection since we can't yet specify (to ohloh) that it should ignore/exempt some files/dirs |
| 18:55.12 | yukonbob | brlcad was saying the outage was a long one, and so exhausted their backups -- maybe the 100-day-ago issue was to install the backup; if that's the case, it's only "unfortunate" that the backups couldn't handle that length of outage... |
| 18:56.00 | yukonbob | as long as the host expected to be losing power soon, and could gracefully shutdown before just having it's juice exhausted... |
| 18:56.26 | MinuteElectron | Ahh, ok. |
| 19:20.05 | brlcad | yukonbob: that's the problem with the scans in general, and why ours hasn't updated -- they've been looking at how to exempt those dependency projects from the scans |
| 19:20.14 | brlcad | we're not the only project like that |
| 19:21.08 | brlcad | they don't just do a static analysis either, they need to be able to compile as their checker basically is a compiler doing path analyses |
| 19:22.25 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: yeah, the machine lost power (all machines at the ISP (hundreds) lost power) due to a major outage |
| 19:23.03 | brlcad | the thing 100 days ago or so was a new UPS for our rack and a new remote reboot port |
| 19:23.55 | brlcad | this was power coming from the grid that failed, and the brownout lasted several hours |
| 19:24.39 | MinuteElectron | Too bad, although you would think the ISP would have adaquete backups even for a very long power outage since I wouldn't be suprised if there were several mission-critical systems hosted by them/ |
| 19:24.50 | brlcad | from what I've read the UPS' only held up an hour or so, and they had problems with keeping the main facility diesel backup generator running due to a faulty valve |
| 19:25.02 | brlcad | they did, the backups failed :) |
| 19:25.13 | brlcad | rather, the backups of the backups |
| 19:25.42 | MinuteElectron | XD |
| 19:26.45 | brlcad | yeah, they have way bigger customers than us, multimillion dollar customers, that lose major money when anything goes down |
| 19:27.22 | yukonbob | !gah -- they better have a good insurance policy for that... |
| 19:27.56 | yukonbob | (or perhaps whatever electricity they could generate went to those customers) |
| 19:29.38 | yukonbob | re: coverity -- ah -- too bad (for us) -- do we need permission (from project maintainers) to have utah raster lib (for example) run through coverity -- I know you need permission to join a coverity project and see the results... |
| 19:30.42 | brlcad | many massive data centers like sago's have agreements with the power company that compensates them if they're down more than N minutes a year |
| 19:31.02 | brlcad | dunno if sago has that in place, but they should.. even still, it happens |
| 19:31.36 | brlcad | even the rackspace kings had major downtime just this past fall for several hours when a truck crashed into one of their transformers |
| 19:32.16 | brlcad | http://www.rackspace.com/information/announcements/datacenter.php fun fun :) |
| 19:32.24 | brlcad | cost them millions |
| 19:33.58 | brlcad | yukonbob: as for coverity and permissions.. huh??? :) no |
| 19:34.47 | brlcad | the permission is permission *from coverity* as they only want to scan projects that they approve, they don't want to be scanning every open source project out there or (worse) commercial customers for free |
| 19:35.44 | brlcad | they're paid by uncle sam to scan open source projects |
| 19:36.12 | yukonbob | brlcad: but I (yukonbob) can't take a look at the scan results for any project I want... I need permission from the project leads (like I need permission to commit to the BRL-CAD cvs/svn)... |
| 19:36.18 | louipc | # We have made changes to the leadership and staff at our DFW Data Center. |
| 19:36.20 | louipc | uh oh |
| 19:36.47 | brlcad | yukonbob: oh sure, that's just the nature of their scanning system though |
| 19:37.05 | brlcad | I'd give you an account if I could, but the whole login system is actually down at the moment ever since the news went up |
| 19:37.30 | yukonbob | right -- but is there an issue with BRL-CAD submitting 3rd party code and getting access to the results? |
| 19:37.49 | brlcad | just a technical issue |
| 19:37.59 | yukonbob | ie: I myself can't say "lets put OpenBSD up there" and then have access to the OpenBSD bug list... |
| 19:38.06 | brlcad | the report includes issues in all the 3rd party code as well as our code |
| 19:38.36 | brlcad | yukonbob: you could request it -- I requested that BRL-CAD be added |
| 19:39.03 | brlcad | but he's likely not going to approve someone not "in charge" of a given project, unless it's one of the unclaimed rung 0 projects |
| 19:39.16 | yukonbob | I did request NetBSD be put up -- but I don't have access to the bug list... |
| 19:39.28 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:39.35 | brlcad | well I know why that is |
| 19:39.51 | brlcad | the guy in charge of the whole thing for Coverity |
| 19:39.57 | brlcad | David Maxwell |
| 19:40.03 | brlcad | he's a core NetBSD developer |
| 19:40.05 | yukonbob | I'm not a NetBSD coreteam member... it makes sense |
| 19:40.08 | yukonbob | heh |
| 19:40.23 | brlcad | so he probably just chuckled |
| 19:40.33 | yukonbob | I guess :) |
| 19:41.02 | brlcad | heh, that's funny .. of all the projects ... |
| 19:41.04 | yukonbob | but back to example of URL (utah raster lib) -- will they give us the URL buglist, even though it's not our project? |
| 19:41.27 | yukonbob | (but is a dependency of the BRL-CAD build) |
| 19:41.39 | brlcad | yes, but it just all is attributed as BRL-CAD code |
| 19:42.04 | brlcad | e.g. they (at least originally) considered everything in our source tarball as "BRL-CAD" code |
| 19:42.05 | yukonbob | because unless a URL dev gets access to that list, we have info that may be unpatched and could wreak havoc on other projects using the URL... |
| 19:42.09 | brlcad | same goes for every other project |
| 19:42.26 | brlcad | yet often clearly not the case when it's external code (zlib is a common one many provide) |
| 19:43.14 | brlcad | for what it's worth, we're pretty much the maintainers for URT (utah raster toolkit) |
| 19:43.24 | yukonbob | ah right -- urt not url |
| 19:43.27 | brlcad | but tcl/tk is a better example |
| 19:43.41 | brlcad | they're a big package and ALSO in coverity scan |
| 19:43.48 | yukonbob | it's got 0 issues atm |
| 19:44.07 | brlcad | yet if you look at the little bit of BRL-CAD report we do have -- all those issues listed were actually in Tcl |
| 19:44.35 | brlcad | the "99 uninspected" issues at http://scan.coverity.com/rung1.html for BRL-CAD are Tcl issues |
| 19:44.41 | yukonbob | so re: Tcl -- did we need a TCT member to "sign-off" on allowing the Tcl to be included in the BRL-CAD scan? |
| 19:44.55 | brlcad | and then the coverity scanner died shortly after when it got to Tk, I believe |
| 19:45.06 | brlcad | no |
| 19:45.24 | brlcad | i still don't get where/why you think we need these sign-off's... |
| 19:45.44 | yukonbob | hrm --- if that's the way it works, so be it -- just seems like private information to me (ie: us knowing the bugs in tcl/tk, potentially before TCT members do) |
| 19:46.17 | brlcad | it just means that we may get reports for issues in code that we may or may not maintain |
| 19:46.32 | brlcad | which we could fix or mark as verified and ignore |
| 19:46.39 | brlcad | or leave out of the scan entirely |
| 19:47.10 | brlcad | which is what david has been trying to do for our code since we were first added, ignore everything in src/other |
| 19:47.28 | brlcad | just hasn't finished |
| 19:47.47 | brlcad | I imagine it took changes to coverity prevent |
| 19:47.53 | yukonbob | my reasoning is that the coverity scan seems like a powerful tool to find classes of bugs -- wouldn't want hax0rs to have access to information before it's patched, or even known by the true maintainers of the software... but if they're only allowing certain projects, and contacting the project leads for those, I guess they're assuming that all the folks being scanned are responsible people... |
| 19:48.23 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 19:49.16 | brlcad | seems like a pretty darn safe assumption to me .. i mean even with tcl getting included in our report, we might actually want to fix their issues as we do depend on them |
| 19:49.21 | brlcad | their issuers *are* our issues |
| 19:49.44 | brlcad | but I certainly don't want to fix their problems if I don't have to :) |
| 19:49.53 | brlcad | and them likewise for their deps I'm sure |
| 19:50.24 | yukonbob | right -- I was assuming Joe Hacker could submit a project that might depend on openssl, though, and then have access to classes of errors in ssl that could be used on the Wild Wild Web |
| 19:50.45 | brlcad | which is why the set up projects individually one at a time, ask who you are, etc |
| 19:51.35 | brlcad | every project they've added is manually added, takes david a couple hours per project of effort iirc |
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| 23:08.12 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29892 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged_dm.h: no need to define DEG2RAD and RAD2DEG |
| 23:17.54 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29893 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: enable maintainer mode for any type of checkout, not just cvs (i.e. subversion too) |
| 23:24.08 | CIA-30 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29894 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/book/VolumeIV.xml: use bu_exit for the examples |
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