IRC log for #brlcad on 20080115

00:22.24CIA-30BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29945 10/brlcad/trunk/ (204 files in 28 dirs): more ws comma consistency cleanup. remove the spaces before commas throughout.
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04:01.20``Erikwhoa
04:03.49``Erikhttp://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=name&substr=glpong
04:17.11Axman6hmm?
04:27.28Axman6``Erik: if you're on a mac, check out http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/xquartz/wiki/X112.1.2
04:31.38``Erikaxman: what I pasted was a program I wrote 6 years ago, a 1-day game
04:31.51Axman6heh, awesome :P
04:36.17brlcad``Erik: and points to a dead website w/ no maintainer :)
04:36.20brlcadyou should fix it
04:37.43``Erikyeah
04:37.51``ErikI was poking at it
04:38.06``Erikmy tarballs seem broken for how macports wants to play with 'em
04:38.07``Erik:/
04:40.11brlcadshould be nearly identical other than building on mac
04:40.28brlcadfew macports I played with were the just copied over from ports
04:40.47``Erikyeah... well, the most recent, for some reason, the mac is whining about missing depcomp
04:42.36``Erikmebbe I'll push another release, the inclusion of openal in osX got me to update stuff in my cvs that hasn't been released
04:52.14``Erikmmmm isla fisher
04:53.12Axman6now that was an odd coincidence
05:04.17``Erik?
05:07.09Axman6someone just mentioned that name in another chan on another network. like a minute before you did
05:07.45``Erikhum
05:07.55``Erikperhaps they were watching the same channel and saw the same commercial
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05:50.12brlcadarf.. bob's commit messages are so devoid of information
05:51.06brlcadpractically no indication of what's wrong or how his changes help
05:56.01brlcadheh, goo factor
05:56.15brlcadsticky balls
05:56.29Axman6...
05:56.47brlcadAxman6: hehe, a commit message to the metaball primitive
05:56.49louipchot over there?
05:56.55brlcadhas a new "goo" factor
05:57.12Axman6excellent
05:57.23brlcadmetaballs are always good for low brow humor
05:57.30Axman6i'm sure smeone has a need for gooy balls
05:58.26brlcadhrm, don't seem to have a good screenie
06:04.09CIA-30BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29946 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: (log message trimmed)
06:04.09CIA-30BRL-CAD: Bob fixed the extended rendering delays that users would see when ray-tracing on
06:04.09CIA-30BRL-CAD: Windows. you could see via the log that the ray-trace would finish very quickly
06:04.09CIA-30BRL-CAD: (nearly instantly sometimes) but then would stall for a minute or two before
06:04.09CIA-30BRL-CAD: displaying the image to the framebuffer. the problem was actually a manual
06:04.12CIA-30BRL-CAD: Sleep() call that was added a long time ago (heh) to the wgl framebuffer that
06:04.14CIA-30BRL-CAD: made it interactively update the image while it rendered and made a completed
06:16.19brlcadarmy ants are awesome
06:22.52CIA-30BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r29947 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: (log message trimmed)
06:22.52CIA-30BRL-CAD: (reworded line) Bob fixed the extended rendering delays that users would see
06:22.52CIA-30BRL-CAD: when ray-tracing on Windows. you could see via the log that the ray-trace would
06:22.52CIA-30BRL-CAD: finish very quickly (nearly instantly sometimes) but then would stall for a
06:22.52CIA-30BRL-CAD: minute or two before displaying the image to the framebuffer. the problem was
06:22.54CIA-30BRL-CAD: actually a manual Sleep() call that was added a long time ago (heh) to the wgl
06:22.56CIA-30BRL-CAD: framebuffer that made it interactively update the image while it rendered and
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07:14.14Axman6brlcad: how so?
07:29.18curiousCIA-30, ah! well, lol, indeed, plainly clearing it took loads of time on pci based savage + dual cpu setup, lol
07:30.08curiousit's a bot i assume ? :)
07:44.08Axman6yah
07:52.11brlcadcurious: yes, a commit reporter announcing changes to the source code
07:52.52brlcad(in real time)
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08:02.46Axman6brlcad: why makes army ants so awesome?
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08:21.43brlcadmmmm.. that's a LONG discussion :)
08:21.56brlcad(for me at least) :)
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14:01.05CIA-30BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r29948 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/ged.c: It looks like the Windows specific call to Tcl_CreateChannelHandler() was accidentally removed.
14:05.36``Erikhmmmm
14:05.44``Eriksvn ann NEWS | sort -nr | head -n 30
14:05.50``Erikneat
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16:26.21CIA-30BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r29949 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/attach.c: The indices for the MGED_DISPLAY_VAR were accidentally changed. This prevented MGED's status bar on the command window from being updated.
16:33.29``Erikho hum
16:35.51``Erikhum, ho! hum!
19:39.49CIA-30BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r29950 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/accel.tcl: Fixed bug in rcc-cap that shows up when using the 't' option.
20:46.50``Erik*sigh* mac word doesn't seem to have a "mail merge", just a "data merge" with no mention of mail
20:51.03brlcaddata merge should do it, ties to address book for e-mail mailers
20:52.48brlcadyeah, in the Merge Manager
20:52.59brlcadafter you fill in all of the options, there's a "Merge to Mail" option
20:53.45brlcadsounds like it uses your entourage address book only for outgoing address(es)
20:55.06brlcader, "Merge to E-Mail" specifically, under the Merge dropdown on the "Data Merge Manager"
21:05.10``Eriktoo bad you can't change font size in ms's help crap :/
21:18.22``Erikthe "filter" crap seems handy
21:21.36``ErikI have a feeling it's trying to use mail.app :/
21:34.42``Erikhummmm
21:36.27poolioMacbook Air :]
21:37.44``Erikit's pretty, but does that video chipset have the unf once would want?
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21:46.16poolio``Erik: I'm looking for an ultraportable to do coding and general computing schtuff. I have a desktop for the umph. My Asus just died so I'm seriously considering it...the price is a bit steep though.
21:50.29``Erikany old cheap machine can work for coding O.o
21:52.13poolioI'm actually thinking of buying it for the sex appeal.
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22:30.38PrezKennedybrlcad, don't think I'm ever going Apple... not when the 4GB ram upgrade is $700
22:37.15poolioJust buy 3rd party RAM
22:37.55brlcadyeah, just buy the memory elsewhere
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22:38.46brlcadthe memory has always been a major premium .. we don't even buy it from apple for work most of the time
22:39.02PrezKennedythe 17" MacBook still ends up being almost $1500 more
22:39.30brlcadmore than what?  
22:39.53PrezKennedymy 17" Pavilion, which has more disk space and 4GB of RAM
22:40.00brlcadand is how big?
22:40.19PrezKennedywhat is how big?
22:40.29brlcadsize is a *major* factor in the price of laptops, every ounce reduction is a pretty major change in price
22:40.35PrezKennedyim comparing MacBook Pro to this
22:40.43PrezKennedyso about a pound
22:40.48brlcadthe size of your pavillion vs mbp
22:41.08brlcada pound difference?  that's pretty big...
22:41.24PrezKennedyso is $1500!
22:41.44brlcadit might not be something you care about, but that's a major diff in price for any laptop maker
22:41.56pooliobrlcad: any thoughts on the macbook air?
22:42.21PrezKennedycmon, if theyre charging $700 for $80 RAM, you know they're nailing you elsewhere too
22:42.22brlcadpoolio: yeah, I wish solid state hard drives still weren't so damn expensive :)
22:42.43pooliobrlcad: I'm trying to find out if it is upgradeable. I preordered one :o
22:43.10poolioThe mac fanboys are whining everywhere but I like it. They could have cut an inch off the width though...
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22:43.55PrezKennedyDoesn't come with a drive does it?
22:44.14brlcadPrezKennedy: compare the specs to a pavilion (or dell or vaio) that matches in size and components, I'd you'll find them within 10% at the base configurations
22:44.51brlcadpoolio: I'd be surprised if it were upgradeable beyond you cracking it open for memory and HD upgrades
22:45.28brlcadand maybe not even that easily if it's using the ultra tiny drives that the ipods/iphones uses
22:45.36pooliobrlcad: It doesn't have upgradeable memory, so I'm guessing the hd isn't :\
22:45.45poolioAnd yes it is, 1.8"
22:46.10brlcadah, then yeah.. you might find the drive if you hunt, but you might have to break a soldier lead to install it
22:46.31brlcadmaybe a pin connector if you're lucky
22:46.36poolioThe 80gb is 4200rpm, but I'm not going to shell out 1000 for a SSD.
22:46.48brlcadyeah, that's what I was saying
22:46.54brlcadthe price of SSD's are just still expensive
22:47.03pooliobrlcad: I probably wouldn't bother then. It seems like a machine that's prone to breaking and I'd definitely be getting applecare. Wouldn't want to void the warranty
22:47.05brlcadI mean, 1k for that drive is actually a pretty damn good deal
22:47.13brlcadthat's the cheapest I've seen for that size
22:47.21brlcadnewegg has one at around 1.5k
22:47.22poolioI guess, but the difference between 2k and 3k is a lot.
22:47.55poolioAnd they are going to have to drop in price in the very near future. I mean look at flash drives, 16mb ones use to be like $50
22:48.09brlcadi'd suggest getting applecare no matter the product.. apple's support is pretty fantastic, one of the top-rated year over year
22:48.23brlcadyeah, but that's mb :)
22:48.52brlcadthe gb ssd's will come down quickly .. probably in half within 8 months
22:49.21brlcadi see that laptop as a great mobile platform for when you already have a really powerful home system in place
22:49.48brlcadit's designed around access to other wireless services being around
22:50.09brlcadHD's, media/content, optical drives
22:56.27PrezKennedyWindows is stupid
22:56.53``Erikit has a lot of ancient "single machine just to drive a printer" still left in it
22:57.49``Eriklater, kids
23:04.54pooliohrmph. The footprint compared with the pro is pretty lame. If only they'd gone with a thin bezel...
23:12.12brlcadfootprint of?
23:14.32pooliothe macbook air
23:14.47pooliohttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/01/aircomp02.jpg
23:20.23brlcaddefinitely stylish
23:20.51brlcadmakes the MBP look kinda plain .. remember it used to be the sexy beast when it came out
23:21.42brlcadhum, nice trackpad
23:28.57poolioI mean there are a ton of pros and cons. One USB port is pretty ridiculous. And because the superdrive has special something or other, you can't plug it into a USB hub. So you can't superdrive+other devices.
23:39.17louipclol everyone's talking about the macbook air
23:41.52poolioWell, it's what I've been waiting 2 months for..
23:48.14brlcad:)
23:51.08brlcadthe apple tv actually is slightly more interesting to me now with the upgrade, one more way to stick it to comcast .. the pricepoint is so close
23:51.59pooliopeople are saying the air is going the way of the apple tv / cube :)
23:52.03brlcadthough the new rental fees are a bit absurd (about as absurd as their non-hd movie prices)

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