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| 08:22.36 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30442 10/brlcad/trunk/db/Makefile.am: keep getting parallel build problems where the exec test fails saying asc2g doesn't exist yet. try syncing the filesystem and if it does still fail, print what ls shows |
| 08:45.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30443 10/brlcad/trunk/db/Makefile.am: |
| 08:45.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the more I think about it, the failure makes sense. the asc2g wrapper is |
| 08:45.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: kicking off a compilation which causes a failure when another proc tries to use |
| 08:45.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: the script mid-compilation. it is either deleted or is getting set -x during |
| 08:45.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: compilation. hopefully this prep phase will make it behave. |
| 08:57.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30444 10/brlcad/trunk/Makefile.am: (log message trimmed) |
| 08:57.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: add a distcheck and install check to make sure that the tclIndex and |
| 08:57.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: pkgIndex.tcl files aren't empty. there are some configurations generating empty |
| 08:57.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: files when the auto_paths are not set up correctly. the installs will seem to |
| 08:57.53 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: be just fine .. but are actually rather busted and will result in a variety of |
| 08:57.55 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: screwy run-time tcl failures when trying to use any of those routines. also |
| 08:57.57 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: make elapsed.sh use top_srcdir for the DATE file since it's a BUILT_SOURCES |
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| 14:03.43 | reinoud | hello folks |
| 14:04.02 | reinoud | <-- newbie to brlcad; trying to get it compiled under NetBSD |
| 14:06.22 | reinoud | Is there still a moderator for the news group? I got a reply that the moderator's email adress was bounced and thus i couldn't post; no wonder the news group was empty :-S |
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| 15:14.30 | brlcad | reinoud: there is a moderator for the news group, but you shouldn't be posting to the news list :) |
| 15:15.00 | brlcad | it's outbound-only, there is a brlcad-users and brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 15:15.10 | reinoud | ah that explains |
| 15:16.35 | reinoud | switching chat-program |
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| 15:17.13 | brlcad | o.O |
| 16:04.01 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r30445 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: |
| 16:04.03 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: bob, erik, and myself have all failed at reproducing the mged text flood hanging |
| 16:04.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: so the problem was either a ScrolledText widget Tk bug that was fixed with the |
| 16:04.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: upgrade to Tk 8.5 or it's sensitive to timing issues and isn't easy to provoke |
| 16:04.09 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: on fast machines. needs to be revisited on a slow machine, but that doesn't |
| 16:04.11 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: need to hold up the release. |
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| 16:59.03 | niemand | anyone here |
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| 17:02.23 | alex_joni | niemand: niemand hier |
| 17:02.48 | starseeker | And that's how we learn not to attempt opening a huge tiff file without enough swap space |
| 17:04.54 | niemand | alex_joni, hello, how goes it? |
| 17:06.38 | terrylr | alex_joni, has sean/brlcad been around lately? |
| 17:07.27 | alex_joni | oh, hi terrylr, didn't know it was you |
| 17:07.38 | alex_joni | yeah, sean/brlcad is usually around through the day |
| 17:08.00 | terrylr | alex_joni, long time no read. |
| 17:08.13 | alex_joni | indeed.. how are you feeling? |
| 17:09.21 | terrylr | alex_joni, i guess i am feeling okay. i live on morphine. |
| 17:10.02 | alex_joni | sorry to hear that :/ |
| 17:25.32 | brlcad | howdy terrylr |
| 17:28.59 | terrylr | brlcad, hello, long time no read. |
| 17:30.46 | terrylr | brlcad, last 6 aug 2007, i was in a head-on-collision accident. not my fault. i spent 2 wks in icu and 6 wks in rehabilation. since then trying to learn how to walk again. my injuries were: left hip broken, left femur broken in 5 places, right knee cap shattered, right tibia and fibia compound fracture, 4 broken ribs right side, right lung collapsed. the emts had to reboot me several times before they could get me stable enough to remo |
| 17:30.46 | terrylr | ve from the accident scene. haivng two broken legs is not fun. i do not get down to the computers that often anymore. i get around in a wheelchair so i tend to stick to the main floor of the house. |
| 17:40.12 | brlcad | yikes, and 'ouch' really sorry to hear that.. |
| 17:41.01 | brlcad | was wondering where you had disappeared to |
| 17:42.01 | brlcad | you were disabled before that as well, iirc .. talk about kicking a man when he's down |
| 17:43.31 | brlcad | terrylr: in any regard, glad to hear that through all that you are still around -- a couple folks have been in asking about some of the work you were doing, where things got left off at |
| 17:44.04 | brlcad | eep |
| 17:54.24 | alex_joni | brlcad: don't think so.. he left from other channels aswell.. |
| 17:55.12 | ``Erik | most irc clients send a disconnect before closing the socket if the window is closed or they take a sigterm... |
| 17:57.01 | brlcad | or.. he was so upset that he ran over the power cord with his chair as he angrily wheeled off |
| 17:57.34 | ``Erik | probably more likely that he did something silly like run windows or linux and it crashed out from under him O:-) *shrug* |
| 17:57.45 | ``Erik | suckass luck though, poor guy |
| 17:57.54 | brlcad | yeah, amazing |
| 17:58.32 | louipc | linux is pretty stable at least for me |
| 17:58.46 | brlcad | presuming it's not a sucker story, .. cause you know everything on the net is true .. but he's been pretty consistent regardless |
| 17:59.57 | brlcad | terrylr could very well be a 13 year old girl fbi agent |
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| 18:00.34 | brlcad | there he be |
| 18:00.35 | louipc | 12:58 <@brlcad> terrylr could very well be a 13 year old girl fbi agent |
| 18:00.44 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:00.53 | terrylr | sorry, more hardware failures. |
| 18:01.17 | terrylr | louipc, why don't you go play in the street! |
| 18:01.33 | terrylr | louipc, a busy street! |
| 18:02.00 | louipc | with cars? |
| 18:02.12 | terrylr | i have been plagued by hardware failures the past month. |
| 18:02.32 | terrylr | louipc, yes with vehicles. |
| 18:02.47 | brlcad | hopefully not the one your sitting in or any attached to you! |
| 18:04.11 | terrylr | my trusty old standbys strauss and johann, both lost their hda disk. strauss's motherboard has bad ide controllers now. johann, is just plain old. close to 9 yrs old. |
| 18:05.11 | terrylr | i missed what you were asking before. not sure if the logs caught it. hang on let me look. |
| 18:06.11 | brlcad | I've heard of pets mirroring their owners, but not their computer equipment (bad bad joke *ahem* .. should probably ask if you're sensitive to jokes or take it in stride!) |
| 18:06.40 | brlcad | I'd just said that I'm glad to hear that you're still around |
| 18:07.37 | brlcad | some progress and developments on the BREP and STEP fronts since you were last around (moreso on the prior than the latter) -- both being the #1 project priority (at ARL and otherwise) for the year |
| 18:07.45 | terrylr | i do not care one way or the other. i have pretty much lost interest in the computers. i have no money to keep them going and basically just watching each one die. |
| 18:08.22 | terrylr | to answer your questions from before . |
| 18:08.54 | terrylr | yes, i was disabled before the 6 aug 2007 accident, from the 26 nov 1996 accident. |
| 18:09.24 | terrylr | since 1996, i have been able to work a combined total of two years. |
| 18:09.54 | terrylr | i now have two legal nightmares the 26 nov 1996 work accident and the 6 aug 2007 head-on-collision. |
| 18:10.24 | terrylr | it appears that both legal nightmares are going to be merged into one super legal nightmare. |
| 18:10.48 | terrylr | the medical bills just keep piling up. currently at $550,000.00 usd. |
| 18:12.57 | brlcad | incredible |
| 18:13.35 | brlcad | so what are your plans? |
| 18:13.57 | terrylr | so here is what is happening with legal nightmares. 1996 legal nightmare. even though i have never received any money since i have a december 2006 ruling which awards $500,000.00 usd the medical providers want that money. the individual liable for the accident has $250,000.00 usd per accident coverage. so $750,000.00 usd combined. medical providers get $550,000.00 usd lawyers get $175,000.00 usd and the remaining $25,000.00 usd is put i |
| 18:13.58 | terrylr | n escrow to cover my ongoing medical expenses. |
| 18:14.16 | brlcad | i can only imagine that you had to of "given up" by now .. i probably would have.. |
| 18:14.27 | terrylr | brlcad, so i am worst off than before. |
| 18:15.09 | brlcad | i gathered as much .. i can't imagine how you'd be in an accident and actually get better off.. |
| 18:15.31 | brlcad | mm. otherwise people would be volunteering to do it |
| 18:15.32 | terrylr | brlcad, i spend my days in the wheelchair or bed. i try using the walker but the legs are just PAINFUL! |
| 18:16.29 | terrylr | brlcad, my interests are in the metalworking occupational therapy group and cooking/baking. tinsmithing. |
| 18:17.10 | brlcad | neat |
| 18:17.19 | terrylr | brlcad, tinsmithing is something i can do while in the wheelchair. i do not need the leverage that standing would allow me. |
| 18:19.54 | brlcad | sounds pretty relaxing though, am at least quite familiar with working with ones hands and making things -- that can be quite fulfilling |
| 18:20.54 | terrylr | brlcad, btw, on top of the two legal nightmare accidents. back in the beginning of 2006 i quit smokiung. turns out i am hte one in a billion person who once they started smoking should nver quit. when i quit smoking. a defective genetic defect was triggered on. an extremely rare genetic disease. familial erythromelalgia. my brother has had it for 25+yrs. his doctors assumed that one of his brothers may also carry the same defect. well g |
| 18:20.54 | terrylr | uess what they were right. |
| 18:22.17 | brlcad | that sucks |
| 18:22.44 | brlcad | both that you *started* smoking and that you stopped, if that was the trigger |
| 18:23.01 | terrylr | now the real kicker. since the 6 aug 2007 head-on-collision and having to be rebooted several times at the accident scene. the familial erythromelalgia has been in total remission. has the doctors baffled. |
| 18:23.19 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:23.59 | terrylr | brlcad, the doctros are 99.99 % sure that quitting smoking triggered the defective gene on. |
| 18:24.00 | brlcad | maybe it's just thinking "wtf, I'm outta here .. this is messed up" |
| 18:25.08 | brlcad | so you going to be around more often, or just a stop by to visit? |
| 18:25.18 | terrylr | but anyway, today was the warmest day in months and i was able to get down to the computers. just thought i would touch bas with you. |
| 18:25.28 | brlcad | that's cool |
| 18:26.08 | brlcad | if you happen to recall where you left off with the step work and/or have files handy, I'd love to get a peek/copy sometime :) |
| 18:26.54 | terrylr | brlcad, most of my work has been lost with the harddrive failures of strauss and johann. |
| 18:27.13 | brlcad | damn them and their vile tonal failures |
| 18:27.56 | brlcad | well if you happen to run across a copy or a backup .. you know where to find me :) |
| 18:28.14 | terrylr | brlcad, part of the reason i have lost interest in the computers . i have lost too much and do not have it in me to recreate it. |
| 18:28.38 | terrylr | busy trying to learn to walk again. |
| 18:28.44 | brlcad | we did finally get a means to get the step spec in pdf format (just recently finished actually) .. *finally* |
| 18:29.07 | terrylr | good move in the right direction. |
| 18:29.42 | brlcad | yeah, that took quite a bit of effort to set up, but then once I got some equipment in place it was pretty quick n' easy |
| 18:29.52 | terrylr | brb comfort break. |
| 18:30.40 | brlcad | so now I can set up a means to share the pdf's under some non-redistribute arrangement with folks working on brl-cad (since ISO still close-holds it as IP) |
| 18:34.17 | louipc | hah what's the point of step if it isn't publicly accessible? |
| 18:35.02 | brlcad | the entire CAD industry outside of brl-cad is very much a traditional closed industry |
| 18:35.07 | brlcad | you pay to participate |
| 18:35.17 | brlcad | and pretty much every single major CAD company has |
| 18:35.49 | Z80-Boy | closed source conservative narrowminded |
| 18:35.52 | louipc | I figured it'd be more open if they were getting ISO involved |
| 18:36.39 | brlcad | paying the thousands for the relevant portions of the iso spec is pennies when a single license to your product costs more than that (and most of your CAD devs cost 500-1000% that) |
| 18:37.01 | Z80-Boy | I always laugh at "standards" that are for money |
| 18:37.20 | Z80-Boy | The idea is that everyone should adhere to it, not only the ones that are willing to pay those money, or not? |
| 18:37.33 | Z80-Boy | otherwise it's not a standard just a piece of paper ;-) |
| 18:37.53 | Z80-Boy | plus makes code audit difficult |
| 18:38.04 | louipc | well it is a standard if all the big boys use it |
| 18:38.13 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:38.16 | Z80-Boy | if a student wants to audit he has to buy the standard to understand how the code should properly behave |
| 18:38.22 | louipc | even if the regular joe doesn't have access to it |
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| 18:39.34 | brlcad | it's like going to an office and saying "everyone must pay me 2 pennies for a license to use the bathroom" .. it might be absurd especially given pretty much everyone will *have* to pay the fee, but in the end what do you think everyone would do .. they'd cough up the 2 pennies without hesitation |
| 18:39.59 | brlcad | they don't care if people outside the building haven't paid .. or if for them 2 pennies is a month's salary |
| 18:40.08 | brlcad | they're not in the building, not apart of their business |
| 18:40.42 | Z80-Boy | I guess he would be just ignored with his bathroom licence |
| 18:40.52 | Z80-Boy | or receive some fists into his face for bullying |
| 18:40.58 | louipc | piss in the penny jar |
| 18:40.59 | louipc | ;) |
| 18:41.07 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:41.16 | brlcad | some do, even for step |
| 18:41.24 | brlcad | but they still put their two pennies in |
| 18:41.45 | alex_joni | before or after? |
| 18:42.08 | Z80-Boy | i would flush the penny jar contents down the toilet |
| 18:43.11 | Z80-Boy | it's interesting how free standards are often technically superior to the closed one |
| 18:43.15 | Z80-Boy | PNG vs. GIF |
| 18:43.24 | Z80-Boy | Ogg Vorbis vs. mp3 |
| 18:44.01 | brlcad | it's more like an electronic penny-lock on the bathroom that won't open without a penny, you can't get at the money or otherwise vadalize it other than pissing on the walls or crapping in the elevator (at which point they just remove you from the building) |
| 18:45.21 | brlcad | eh, not a great example .. for all of its technical "superiority", vorbis has made absolutely no dent in mp3 dominance |
| 18:45.59 | brlcad | png's faired better but just because there wasn't a format that fulfilled the requirements (lossless compressed truecolor imagery) |
| 18:46.20 | PrezKennedy | png really cant be compared to gif... |
| 18:46.43 | Z80-Boy | that's because the crap always dominates |
| 18:46.45 | brlcad | i think it just goes to show that technical superiority has nothing to do with prevalence and popularity if anything |
| 18:46.53 | Z80-Boy | mp3 is more crap than vorbis, therefore must dominate |
| 18:46.56 | PrezKennedy | maybe to jpg... but even there they fulfill two different things |
| 18:48.01 | brlcad | yeah, has more to do with their usage than their technical features -- most users couldn't care less so long as the tools are integrated and easy to use |
| 18:48.53 | Z80-Boy | look how crappy the youtube videos are and how popular they are |
| 18:52.15 | louipc | yeah lets make a better site! |
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| 19:56.57 | brlcad | yeah, C and C++ have done .. pretty well .. considering they are ansi and iso standards |
| 19:59.22 | brlcad | ``Erik: you have any uncommited show-stoppers? |
| 19:59.28 | brlcad | smells like a release brewing |
| 20:04.28 | brlcad | (or anyone else for that matter :) ) |
| 20:24.08 | yukonbob | heh -- that sounds pretty bad in pretty much any other context :P |
| 20:33.20 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:33.23 | brlcad | so true |
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| 22:01.09 | forrestv | does anyone know what libbu/vfont.c is? |
| 22:01.37 | brlcad | yes? :) |
| 22:01.49 | brlcad | it's a vector font interface |
| 22:04.23 | brlcad | reads in old vfont files and gives you back a vfont struct that can then be used for drawing the vector fonts to a given context |
| 22:04.46 | brlcad | i.e., very basic font support for things that need the ability to render fonts quickly to any given output context type |
| 22:08.47 | forrestv | brlcad: is it related to an 'ASCII vfont text'? |
| 22:09.40 | brlcad | forrestv: in what context? |
| 22:09.45 | brlcad | sounds related |
| 22:10.13 | brlcad | vfont was predominantly ascii iirc |
| 22:13.46 | forrestv | brlcad: i searched google for the file output of an old font file (of an old game) that i'm trying to read and that file came up first |
| 22:14.29 | brlcad | forrestv: it used to be the standard font file format (go back 20+ years) |
| 22:14.44 | brlcad | we have a couple sample files |
| 22:14.59 | forrestv | brlcad: ya nonie.r.12 |
| 22:15.08 | brlcad | yeah, and fix.6r |
| 22:15.11 | brlcad | http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/src/vfont/ |
| 22:16.05 | brlcad | i believe the libbu and vfont routines do the same for reading the font, haven't looked into merging them yet .. kinda low priority ;) |
| 22:16.25 | brlcad | there are examples of using them in src/fbed and src/lgt |
| 22:18.13 | brlcad | not the best screenshot, but if you look at the lower-left graphical panel in http://brlcad.org/images/mged.jpg .. there are vfonts in action at the bottom in that display where it says sz=152.449 mm, .... |
| 23:38.13 | louipc | ls |
| 23:41.43 | brlcad | -bash: ls: command not found |
