| 03:24.31 | brlcad | ponders coffee |
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| 05:21.31 | PrezKennedy | its hard to have a fun party when the movie line-up is two musicals, one being Rent |
| 07:18.56 | Axman6 | i think i've seen rent. not really my thing |
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| 13:41.41 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, there? |
| 13:41.56 | hippieindamakin8 | can u tell me where is the nsis installer for windows? |
| 14:08.46 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad are u there |
| 14:49.52 | alex_joni | hippieindamakin8: patience is the key word around OSS projects :) |
| 15:15.24 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 15:19.19 | hippieindamakin8 | hey alex_joni .. |
| 15:19.48 | alex_joni | 'lo |
| 15:30.07 | yukonbob | morning cadheads |
| 15:55.38 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: of course I could tell you where it is at -- the bigger question is should I ... it's really not hard to find :) |
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| 16:50.59 | hippieindamakin8 | :)) |
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| 17:09.14 | mafm | hi |
| 17:11.50 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
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| 17:23.32 | hippieindamakin8 | hey brlcad and mafm |
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| 18:11.36 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, there? |
| 18:18.29 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:20.33 | brlcad | seriously, humor aside -- that's bad irc etiquette -- just ask or say whatever you intended, don't ask if someone is "here" |
| 18:20.45 | brlcad | bleh |
| 18:20.51 | alex_joni | now you upset him :/ |
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| 18:21.19 | alex_joni | hippieindamakin8: are you familiar with DATAJA? |
| 18:21.28 | hippieindamakin8 | no |
| 18:21.39 | alex_joni | Don't Ask to Ask, Just Ask |
| 18:21.57 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad, I patched the nsi script |
| 18:22.01 | alex_joni | (means it's always better starting with the actual question you have, not asking for permission on asking a question) |
| 18:22.12 | hippieindamakin8 | :) |
| 18:22.53 | brlcad | yeah, if you missed my earlier comment -- it's bad irc etiquette to ask if someone is there, so you know |
| 18:23.14 | brlcad | and glad to hear it (re the patch), will take a look in a bit |
| 18:27.13 | hippieindamakin8 | sorry for that :( |
| 18:27.51 | brlcad | touchy |
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| 18:46.13 | hippieindamakin8 | brlcad the problem with the nsi installer was that the defaul install dir wasnt program files rt |
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| 18:57.39 | hippieindamakin8 | hello Mr. d_rossberg |
| 18:58.58 | d_rossberg | hello hippieindamakin8 |
| 19:04.44 | brlcad | hippieindamakin8: where did you post the patch? I didn't get a notification? |
| 19:04.52 | hippieindamakin8 | i am posting it rt now |
| 19:04.59 | brlcad | ah |
| 19:12.38 | d_rossberg | hippieindamakin8: i'll have a look at your posting tomorrow |
| 19:13.34 | hippieindamakin8 | its ohk Mr d_rossberg |
| 19:14.06 | hippieindamakin8 | sent it brlcad.. |
| 19:16.18 | brlcad | got the notification, thanks |
| 19:16.21 | hippieindamakin8 | addition of this line would solve the problem |
| 19:16.39 | hippieindamakin8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.05 | hippieindamakin8 | :) sorry for repeated asking if u were here .. |
| 19:19.05 | brlcad | not a big deal, just pointing it out as you've done it many times now :) |
| 19:19.31 | hippieindamakin8 | ya i know :P |
| 19:19.42 | hippieindamakin8 | i was unaware of that as well |
| 19:20.18 | brlcad | it happens more frequently to people that don't stay on irc, you shouldn't disconnect |
| 19:21.32 | hippieindamakin8 | so seen the patch ? |
| 19:59.17 | yukonbob | hippieindamakin8: patience |
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| 20:16.07 | brlcad | hello spike__ |
| 20:21.13 | alex_joni | brlcad: how goes the GSoC ? |
| 20:22.51 | spike__ | hey brlcad |
| 20:25.04 | brlcad | alex_joni: a lot of reading and commenting |
| 20:25.20 | brlcad | already been going for 4 hours today, and haven't even hit up 10% |
| 20:34.56 | hippieindamakin8 | :) yukonbob i shall |
| 20:36.42 | alex_joni | brlcad: ouch ;) |
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| 21:05.45 | hippieindamakin8 | gnite fellas |
| 21:06.30 | brlcad | cya |
| 21:06.34 | brlcad | hello sCOTTo |
| 21:06.44 | brlcad | from down under, neat |
| 21:32.37 | mafm | brlcad: maybe you should give me privileges to review these applications... I would finish quickly! |
| 21:32.45 | mafm | reject everything but mine :) |
| 21:33.07 | brlcad | mafm: heh :) |
| 21:34.14 | mafm | is it that bad really? how many applications did you got? |
| 21:34.54 | brlcad | far fewer than levels last year, but quality is *considerably* higher |
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| 21:36.00 | mafm | what about the extension, did you got many more in the extended period? |
| 21:36.09 | mafm | i.e. this week |
| 21:36.24 | spike__ | lol, i still havent submitted mine |
| 21:36.27 | brlcad | a few |
| 21:36.59 | spike__ | extensions are both a blessing and a curse |
| 21:37.13 | mafm | some people that I've talked to said that they only got about 10% more, by Friday |
| 21:37.23 | brlcad | so far, there're probably less than a half-dozen really strong competitors |
| 21:37.45 | brlcad | s/competitors/applicants/ |
| 21:38.07 | mafm | s/applicants/gladiators in the arena/ :) |
| 21:38.09 | brlcad | competing for our couple slots |
| 21:38.33 | mafm | not bad for you, then :) |
| 21:38.41 | brlcad | so if the application is *really* strong, that already puts them in a 30-50% chances range |
| 21:39.49 | brlcad | (last year odds were around 20% for the strong applicants for bz) |
| 21:40.02 | mafm | spike__: at least I hope that they don't extend it again! |
| 21:40.23 | brlcad | not likely |
| 21:40.34 | brlcad | nobody is asking for it |
| 21:40.53 | mafm | good :) |
| 21:46.03 | spike__ | mafm: theres no way |
| 22:17.25 | sCOTTo | hello |
| 22:17.33 | brlcad | howdy sCOTTo |
| 22:17.33 | sCOTTo | sorry ive been looking after kids :) |
| 22:17.42 | brlcad | they tend to need looking after |
| 22:17.58 | sCOTTo | yup |
| 22:18.23 | sCOTTo | ur tetlling me... im 29, my wife is 20, my youngest is 6 months - eldest is 20 mnths... its hard work! |
| 22:18.44 | sCOTTo | tetlling...lol... early morning typos are always the best :) |
| 22:20.13 | brlcad | niice :) |
| 22:21.30 | sCOTTo | so anyway... why am i here? |
| 22:21.50 | brlcad | because you want to work on BRL-CAD |
| 22:22.15 | brlcad | either that, or are trying to escape your wife or kids :) |
| 22:22.33 | sCOTTo | errr... oh yes! the guys in #cam, #cad etc told me to ask YOU all a question... I dont personally work with CAD atm - i am a computer consultant who works out issues for ppl.... I have a customer that asked me a question... |
| 22:23.07 | sCOTTo | he wants to output a file from CAD to STEP or IGES - do you guys know how to do that? |
| 22:24.05 | mafm | waves bye bye |
| 22:24.14 | sCOTTo | waves back |
| 22:24.31 | brlcad | hm, never noticed #cad or #cam .. seems to be non-open-source |
| 22:25.12 | brlcad | sCOTTo: it entirely depends on what cad software you're dealing with -- most cad systems have an exporter for step or iges or both |
| 22:25.28 | sCOTTo | AUTOCAD i think - the most common |
| 22:25.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:25.40 | sCOTTo | this customer is building a motor design or something... |
| 22:25.43 | brlcad | the most common for CADD |
| 22:25.51 | brlcad | but not the most common overall |
| 22:26.02 | sCOTTo | i mean if you can show him WHY he would move to BRL - he might come over ;) |
| 22:26.31 | sCOTTo | im already half way there selling him on Linux as a better answer for the situation because of system resource usage :) |
| 22:27.06 | brlcad | oh, if you were asking about how step/iges relate to brl-cad -- we have an iges exporter completed, and a step exporter under development |
| 22:27.39 | brlcad | it is a non-preserving format, though -- you loose topological information (turns it into an explicit representation) |
| 22:27.41 | sCOTTo | wow thats GREAT |
| 22:27.47 | brlcad | at least for iges |
| 22:27.52 | brlcad | step preserves |
| 22:28.07 | sCOTTo | ok... so will is import his current work into itself? |
| 22:28.34 | brlcad | there are lots of issues for production use -- depends what his requirements are |
| 22:29.07 | brlcad | brl-cad's strength is actually in the CAE domain right now -- we're working on our usability problems for expanding into design and other uses |
| 22:29.08 | sCOTTo | put it this way - can i paste an email in PM for you to see? |
| 22:29.25 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:29.35 | sCOTTo | thanks |
| 22:29.56 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/diagrams/Industry_Diagram.png.html |
| 22:30.14 | brlcad | that may be useful to see where our strengths are at |
| 22:30.49 | brlcad | analysis, development, and some design (but not a strength until we improve usability) |
| 22:32.02 | sCOTTo | is brl free? |
| 22:32.08 | sCOTTo | or opensource? |
| 22:32.22 | brlcad | "yes"? :) |
| 22:32.27 | brlcad | free open source software |
| 22:32.36 | sCOTTo | awesome!!! |
| 22:32.39 | brlcad | source code and all is available |
| 22:32.57 | sCOTTo | how does it stack so far with the expensive software? |
| 22:33.12 | brlcad | that's what the diagram hints at |
| 22:33.35 | brlcad | we have a ton of functionality, more than any other open source solution by several hundred man-years of effort |
| 22:34.16 | sCOTTo | is it downloadable through APT in linux yet? |
| 22:34.17 | brlcad | but usability is a weakness -- steep learning curve, once you get over that curve we're fairly on par with the big guns for most cad purposes |
| 22:34.29 | brlcad | there's no debian maintainer |
| 22:34.37 | sCOTTo | is there an easy guide to teach someone with? |
| 22:34.41 | sCOTTo | bugger |
| 22:34.51 | sCOTTo | uses ubuntu |
| 22:34.52 | brlcad | there is lots of documentation |
| 22:35.10 | brlcad | it's pretty much requisite to get *anywhere* with the system |
| 22:35.19 | brlcad | it's not discoverable |
| 22:35.47 | brlcad | like I said, known limitation, something we're working on (a better new gui) |
| 22:36.16 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/gallery/ shows much of some of the sorts of things that are done with brl-cad though |
| 22:37.31 | sCOTTo | ok so are there windows dists yet? is it hard to install in linux? etc |
| 22:37.52 | brlcad | there is a windows dist |
| 22:38.15 | sCOTTo | im asking what i know HE will ask... if I find it to be a good project I will banner you on my website and promote the software as a better alternative to the known industry standards... |
| 22:38.16 | brlcad | it's usually very easy to install on most any OS |
| 22:38.51 | brlcad | debian/ubuntu have a busted libtool, one of the few being resolved lately |
| 22:39.16 | sCOTTo | there is the email i got |
| 22:39.28 | brlcad | sCOTTo: be interested in hearing what you think |
| 22:39.34 | sCOTTo | great |
| 22:39.45 | brlcad | like I said, there are a whole category of improvements being worked on |
| 22:39.52 | sCOTTo | is there a way to fix the libtool? |
| 22:40.51 | brlcad | CAD is a huge undertaking to get momentum on in open source -- BRL-CAD is, however, by far the most developed option available (with growing momentum) |
| 22:41.28 | brlcad | yeah, you either run libtoolize on another system with an unmodified libool, or you install an unmodified libtool |
| 22:41.57 | sCOTTo | errr im not 100% with linux yet - can you say that in english :) LOL |
| 22:43.22 | brlcad | one of our build steps is "./autogen.sh" .. that first step will fail on a stock ubuntu/debian system if you're compiling from source right now because the debian devs chose to "optimize" libtool (in a way that breaks it) |
| 22:43.44 | brlcad | if you download a source tarball, you can skip the autogen.sh step |
| 22:43.51 | brlcad | and there shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:44.10 | sCOTTo | ok - is there a DOC that will take me through an install without doing that? |
| 22:44.12 | sCOTTo | :) |
| 22:44.34 | brlcad | yeah, INSTALL describes it and/or I can walk you through it here |
| 22:44.57 | sCOTTo | ok cool |
| 22:45.05 | ``Erik | debians broken libtool isn't an issue if you get the stable tarball, I think... it's just the libtoolize if you modify stuff or check out via subversion |
| 22:45.13 | sCOTTo | thanks i will be installling into my ubuntu in 15 minutes - but first...... |
| 22:45.17 | brlcad | if you download the source tarball from sourceforge, you should be able to run ./configure --enable-all --enable-optimized && make && sudo make install |
| 22:45.19 | sCOTTo | feels nature calling! |
| 22:45.49 | sCOTTo | brb |
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| 22:51.55 | andrecastelo | hey brlcad |
| 22:52.07 | andrecastelo | :) |
| 22:52.09 | brlcad | howdy andrecastelo |
| 22:57.12 | sCOTTo | brlcad: pm |
| 23:00.59 | andrecastelo | brlcad: hey, can i pm you ? |
| 23:02.03 | brlcad | andrecastelo: sure |
| 23:02.11 | andrecastelo | ok |
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