| 00:46.10 | yukonbob | waves in |
| 00:46.15 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 01:34.54 | PrezKennedy | howdy yukonbob, brlcad, other folks i know... ;) |
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| 10:18.00 | mafm | hi |
| 11:35.11 | brlcad | moin |
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| 13:01.33 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r31042 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/CMakeLists.txt: |
| 13:01.33 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: Added include path to libregex |
| 13:01.33 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: this include path has to be before tcl/generic |
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| 17:15.54 | mafm | brlcad: one thing in the case that I'm not around during the weekend |
| 17:19.57 | mafm | I have to go to a congress next week, and I take the opportunity to go and see my folks after months of not seeing them |
| 17:20.30 | mafm | and to make a couple of exams |
| 17:20.57 | mafm | so I won't be available until the official week of starting with coding phase for gsoc |
| 17:22.04 | mafm | (maybe if I get my personal laptop back I'll connect from time to time in the meantime, but it's unlikely) |
| 17:26.35 | ``Erik | µO.o |
| 17:27.39 | ``Erik | Saying there is too much order in the universe for it to be random chance is like a puddle remarking at how well a pot hole conforms to its shape. |
| 17:27.39 | mafm | what's that? |
| 17:27.59 | ``Erik | the mu was a mistake, it should've been "O.o" |
| 17:28.27 | ``Erik | hehehehe "Linux is actually better than BSD because you can roast marshmallows over the schedular flamewars." |
| 17:28.28 | mafm | oh :D |
| 17:38.27 | mafm | only scheduler? :) |
| 17:39.06 | mafm | you can get about a dozen flames related to the kernel itself... |
| 17:39.35 | mafm | gplv2 vs v3, kernel debugger... etc |
| 17:50.08 | ``Erik | ohyeah? ext4 vs jfs vs xfs vs reiser |
| 17:50.10 | ``Erik | :D |
| 17:50.39 | ``Erik | ubuntu vs gentoo vs debian vs fedora vs slackware vs suse vs ... |
| 17:50.42 | ``Erik | :) |
| 17:53.10 | archivist | SVR3 ftw |
| 17:56.28 | ``Erik | BSD43 |
| 17:56.40 | ``Erik | *fight* |
| 17:58.19 | archivist | I started with unix on an Altos 1000, a 12mhz 386 |
| 18:00.14 | ``Erik | cool, my first venture was linux on a 66mhz 486 :/ but I've gone back and installed bsd4.3 on a vax11/780 emulator (simh) to get the vm tuned to VGR |
| 18:00.44 | ``Erik | and I've done plenty with archaic machines running sunos, hpux, aix, irix, etc at various jobs :) |
| 18:07.04 | archivist | when you look back at apps designed for those old beasts, modern apps are so slow and bloated in comparison |
| 18:07.58 | ``Erik | oh yeah |
| 18:08.01 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r31043 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/intaval/regtab.cpp: quell warning about deprecated conversion (declare/define using ptr instead of array) |
| 18:08.31 | ``Erik | and looking at the bsd43 source code for apps, libraries, kernels compared to the linux/gnu stack, it was short, sweet, clean, elegant... pleasant |
| 18:09.22 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r31044 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/ (3dm/Makefile.am Makefile.am): fix broken variable names in FAST_OBJECTS |
| 18:10.16 | archivist | the database I worked on had chains/links forward and reverse and to from child parent, hardly needed to waste index lookup time |
| 18:10.18 | ``Erik | fbsd and obsd seem to be somewhere inbetween :/ |
| 18:16.53 | brlcad | mafm: okay, thanks for the heads up .. have you been able to talk much with bob? |
| 18:17.05 | brlcad | s/much/at all/ |
| 18:20.04 | mafm | he replied, but didn't say much except that he agreed :) |
| 18:21.37 | brlcad | he's a man of few words ;) |
| 18:21.48 | brlcad | more inclined to dive into code |
| 18:22.18 | ``Erik | morning, brlcad |
| 18:22.23 | brlcad | howdy |
| 18:23.15 | ``Erik | tracks yet another fine TclReFree bug O.o |
| 18:23.45 | brlcad | I tracked through the sources, tcl does define/provide it .. it's just obscured through a double-#define |
| 18:24.07 | brlcad | so if it gets the wrong header, there'll be problems |
| 18:24.26 | ``Erik | well, the one I'm seeing, I *THINK* it means to grab /usr/include/regex.h instead of $(top_srcdir)/src/other/tcl/generic/regex.h |
| 18:25.04 | mafm | who are the mentors apart from him -- erik, drossberg, sean... who's the last one? |
| 18:25.37 | ``Erik | ~/src/brlcad/build/i686-apple-darwin8.11.1/src/libsysv$ grep TclReError *.o |
| 18:25.38 | ``Erik | Binary file libsysv_la-regex.o matches |
| 18:25.38 | brlcad | bob and john |
| 18:26.05 | ``Erik | brlcad is not a mentor, he's a meta-mentor |
| 18:26.07 | mafm | bob1961 is mine... what's john's nickname here? |
| 18:26.12 | ``Erik | daytona |
| 18:26.24 | mafm | ah ok :) |
| 18:26.37 | brlcad | ``Erik: ah, yes.. opposite problem .. another lib that find's tcl's regex.h would be bad |
| 18:27.07 | brlcad | mafm: so did you sort out a reporting means? |
| 18:27.35 | mafm | sean is a kind of demiurge... his nickname even fades with the project :P |
| 18:27.39 | ``Erik | thinks bob is an old-school email guy, not irc/im |
| 18:27.55 | mafm | the first time that I joined I assumed that "brlcad" had to be a logging bot or something like that :) |
| 18:27.58 | brlcad | ~dict demiurge |
| 18:28.04 | ``Erik | we'll learn him. :> |
| 18:28.29 | brlcad | heh, learn him good |
| 18:29.01 | mafm | <brlcad> mafm: so did you sort out a reporting means? -- I think that I put a link from one page to there -- the wiki I think, I'm not a fan of blogs |
| 18:29.29 | ``Erik | I got 3 metric tons of .3dm and corresponding .g models with a mapping table (and status/notes). I asked him to send it to you, too, brlcad |
| 18:29.42 | brlcad | mafm: so to your user page? |
| 18:30.08 | ``Erik | Redmond weather reports are predicting thunderstorms, with a 90% chance of scattered chair showers. |
| 18:30.39 | mafm | yep |
| 18:30.46 | brlcad | mafm: have you gone through the checklist, any items remaining? |
| 18:30.52 | brlcad | aside from commit |
| 18:32.05 | mafm | the one of assigning copyright do needs something special, like for GNU folks with the snail-mail permission? |
| 18:32.57 | brlcad | no, it's informal understanding, shared copyright |
| 18:33.33 | brlcad | I can write up something more pragmatic if you feel it's needed |
| 18:33.35 | mafm | otherwise I think that I don't have anything else from the HACKING file |
| 18:33.45 | brlcad | mafm: I'm referring to http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist |
| 18:33.49 | mafm | nope, I don't think so |
| 18:34.23 | starseeker | Yay, I can upload the oed tutorial now... |
| 18:34.38 | brlcad | mafm: so the eight bullets on the Plan are your milestones, I take it? |
| 18:35.00 | mafm | Bob agreed, so I think so |
| 18:35.09 | brlcad | okay, just checking |
| 18:37.20 | mafm | who's making the protocol for communications (something was started, at least as templates, AFAICR)? |
| 18:39.50 | brlcad | that's currently being worked on along with the geometry engine work |
| 18:42.15 | brlcad | mafm: probably the easiest to work with for starters will be to just write a simple driver backend that will talk a basic protocol that is sufficient for what you need |
| 18:42.33 | yukonbob | morning cadheads |
| 18:42.54 | brlcad | e.g. modifying/forking g_transfer to feed you the data you need |
| 18:43.47 | mafm | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Expectations#Design_documents -- the "-- Thanks --" is a |
| 18:43.54 | mafm | == Thanks == maybe? |
| 18:43.57 | brlcad | that example tool basically sends geometry to a calling client |
| 18:44.11 | brlcad | mafm: nah, that was intentional |
| 18:44.34 | mafm | ah |
| 18:44.35 | mafm | hi yukonbob |
| 18:45.35 | brlcad | wanted a footer that doesn't get added to the menu |
| 18:46.32 | brlcad | mafm: be sure to e-mail bob about your expected schedule |
| 18:47.28 | brlcad | if you can have any code/patches to review by then, that could be helpful .. so they can be reviewed while you're away on a congress and commit access can be established |
| 18:48.07 | brlcad | could even be today, they're not meant to be substantial .. the point is getting a communication process established |
| 18:48.09 | mafm | hmm, nice example that g_transfer, hadn't seen it |
| 18:49.43 | mafm | the patches can be simple ones? I thought that we'll be without commit access for the first couple of weeks or so |
| 18:49.59 | brlcad | it's doing things a "little" differently than what you need, e.g. you don't need the 'actual' geometry, you need names, values, display lists, etc |
| 18:50.26 | brlcad | mafm: i sure hope not that long, that'd indicate some problem imo |
| 18:50.59 | brlcad | they can be very simple |
| 18:52.07 | brlcad | two or three small patches that show you know how to communicate a concise non-trivial change (that conforms to HACKING) is all it really takes, could be done in just a couple hours if there's a mentor to review/apply them |
| 18:52.25 | mafm | I thought that it would be the expected time for regular would-be contributors, with project members giving the permissions instead of asking for them :D |
| 18:53.12 | mafm | which btw reminds me of IRC rules about operators of the channel and so on :D |
| 18:53.25 | brlcad | well, yeah you don't need to ask for it .. if there's a problem you could end up working all summer via patches, but if it was working out that badly, the student would probably get dropped after a few weeks |
| 18:53.32 | mafm | ok I'll see what I can do |
| 18:53.46 | mafm | if not today I'm probably going to come to the lab during the weekend too :S |
| 18:54.29 | brlcad | at least one of the students has already done enough patches and has just been on my todo to turn on their commit access already |
| 19:02.32 | ``Erik | awesome! |
| 19:02.38 | ``Erik | checking whether the C compiler works... Bad system call (core dumped) |
| 19:02.45 | brlcad | neat |
| 19:02.56 | mafm | (wait, call from physicist...) |
| 19:03.11 | ``Erik | might have to /quit irc this weekend O.o |
| 19:03.23 | ``Erik | which is sad, cuz this session has been on for 141 days |
| 19:05.39 | brlcad | the shame |
| 19:05.55 | brlcad | 15:05 Irssi uptime: 117d 3h 26m 7s |
| 19:06.25 | ``Erik | mine'd be more, but I shut the machine down when I bought the UPS for home |
| 19:06.26 | brlcad | [sean@bz (Fri May 09 15:06:08) ~]$ uptime 3:06PM up 117 days, 5:05, 16 users, load averages: 0.76, 1.50, 1.41 |
| 19:10.41 | archivist | hmm I can never keep this box running that long, crashy debian |
| 19:10.58 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.01 | ``Erik | pets his fbsd |
| 19:11.46 | archivist | hmm 9 days (was trying to feed it ram) |
| 19:11.52 | brlcad | archivist: .bz's last uptime was just a few hours shy of 400 days before someone kicked a power cable |
| 19:12.00 | ``Erik | "trying"? O.o |
| 19:12.42 | archivist | it didnt like the ram i stuffed in so went back to memory challenged |
| 19:12.51 | starseeker | proceeds to make up a temporary place in doc, noting it will likely change later... |
| 19:13.11 | ``Erik | *snrkt* |
| 19:13.19 | ``Erik | /* just a hack, I'll fix it later */ |
| 19:13.20 | ``Erik | *cough* |
| 19:13.58 | archivist | placeholder, another word for kluge |
| 19:14.00 | ``Erik | hm, this fbsd box is a 650mhz p3 with 128m ram, running crap including two versions of gnome stack at the same time O.o |
| 19:14.01 | starseeker | No, more like /* Doing something other than barfing png files into doc toplevel, organize more intelligently after more thinking is done */ |
| 19:14.38 | ``Erik | needs to port his ancient mail client up to gnome2 |
| 19:14.53 | archivist | dual PII here with 440meg but well into swap |
| 19:15.32 | brlcad | returns to his review write-up of Balvenie scotch |
| 19:15.51 | ``Erik | drives by brlcads place and steals a bottle O:-) |
| 19:16.00 | ``Erik | not going to daves going away shindig, I take it? |
| 19:16.47 | ``Erik | hopes they have drinkable beer |
| 19:16.50 | ``Erik | later, kids :D |
| 19:17.18 | starseeker | considers staying off the roads until ``Erik makes it back home... |
| 19:18.03 | archivist | has he crashed another car? |
| 19:18.26 | starseeker | not to my knowledge |
| 19:26.11 | brlcad | ``Erik: you should try this stuff |
| 19:26.15 | brlcad | if you drink scotch that is |
| 19:26.38 | brlcad | expects ``Erik to find coors light |
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| 19:34.02 | mafm | sighs |
| 19:34.15 | mafm | back from service :) |
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| 19:37.38 | brlcad | wb |
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| 19:38.12 | brlcad | howdy andrecastelo |
| 19:38.13 | andrecastelo | hey :D |
| 19:38.17 | andrecastelo | hey brlcad |
| 19:38.23 | clock_ | brlcad: hey |
| 19:38.33 | brlcad | clock_: did you see the screenshots? |
| 19:38.43 | andrecastelo | sorry about not being more present but i did post a new entry in the blog |
| 19:39.02 | mafm | archivist: crashy Debian? my debian machines (even other linux) always take hundreds of days of uptime, and and restarted only due to hardware upgrades or so |
| 19:39.52 | archivist | mafm main problem seems to be memory leaks in firefox and gpdf |
| 19:40.15 | mafm | hi andrecastelo |
| 19:40.21 | andrecastelo | hey mafm |
| 19:40.27 | brlcad | looks for an rss plugin to mediawiki |
| 19:40.54 | andrecastelo | hi ``Erik |
| 19:40.59 | mafm | but you should be able to take care of those just by restarting the app, not the system :) |
| 19:41.48 | mafm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.17 | mafm | and the machine has being running 2 instances of genome@home for 5 years now or so |
| 19:51.08 | starseeker | Yes! http;//brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 19:51.23 | starseeker | Or rather, http://brlcad.org/wiki/Documentation |
| 19:59.19 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31045 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/: Add source for oed tutorial |
| 20:05.14 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31046 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/oed/ (17 files): This time actually add the contents for oed tutorial. |
| 20:12.18 | mafm | configure: error: /home/mafm/Desktop/soc2008/brlcad-proposal/brlcad-trunk/src/other/tcl/unix/tclConfig.sh is for Tcl . |
| 20:12.18 | mafm | Tk 8.5.1 needs Tcl 8.5. |
| 20:12.29 | mafm | I get this error today |
| 20:12.39 | mafm | haven't updated for a while though |
| 20:13.50 | mafm | I have these {tcl,tk}-dev 8.5.2 packages installed in the system for some reason |
| 20:13.59 | mafm | so I guess that there's a conflict there? |
| 20:14.12 | starseeker | Do you need to use system tcl/tk or are you using enable-all? |
| 20:14.36 | mafm | I used configure with no options |
| 20:15.03 | starseeker | If you don't mind using the internal library copies ./configure --enable-all can save a lot of trouble |
| 20:16.07 | mafm | hmm, I better remove them from the system then -- they're not used for anything else |
| 20:16.11 | mafm | thanks :) |
| 20:16.42 | starseeker | I don't know if that's what's going on - what does your configure report? |
| 20:16.59 | starseeker | is it trying to use system tcl and internal tk, for example? |
| 20:17.16 | mafm | after desinstalling it still fails, with --enable-all is ok |
| 20:17.27 | mafm | do you want me to go back? |
| 20:17.52 | mafm | hmm, or not so... it failed again |
| 20:18.14 | starseeker | it failed with enable all? |
| 20:19.17 | mafm | yup |
| 20:19.27 | mafm | same error as above |
| 20:19.38 | starseeker | are you using latest svn? |
| 20:20.21 | mafm | yes |
| 20:20.41 | mafm | $ svn update |
| 20:20.41 | mafm | At revision 31046. |
| 20:20.49 | starseeker | Try running ./autogen.sh and then re-running configure |
| 20:20.53 | mafm | with the docbook things from you |
| 20:21.00 | starseeker | OK... |
| 20:26.59 | mafm | goody, now it works :) |
| 20:33.25 | mafm | ugh, not for long |
| 20:34.10 | starseeker | what happened? |
| 20:37.59 | mafm | ./.libs/librt.so: undefined reference to `TclReFree' |
| 20:37.59 | mafm | /home/mafm/soc2008-brlcad/brlcad-trunk/src/libsysv/.libs/libsysv.so: undefined reference to `TclReError' |
| 20:38.16 | starseeker | Grr |
| 20:38.52 | starseeker | You're building with enable-all? |
| 20:43.13 | mafm | yes |
| 20:43.47 | mafm | I had some of these problems before, I think that tomorrow I'll be able to sort them out |
| 20:43.51 | mafm | but it's a bit too late now |
| 20:43.53 | starseeker | That error keeps popping up - it has to do with tcl include flags being included too soon in the list. |
| 20:44.09 | starseeker | k |
| 20:48.13 | mafm | http://rafb.net/p/8u5Erv89.html |
| 20:48.22 | mafm | full error, if you're interested |
| 20:48.27 | mafm | ok going home now, take care |
| 21:04.52 | starseeker | When adding makefiles for the new directories, what do I have to do to make sure a Makefile.in gets created by autogen? I've added docbook as a subdirectory, and it has a Makefile.am, but the .in isn't generated |
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| 21:20.38 | thing0 | morning yall |
| 21:32.00 | poolio | howdy |
| 21:35.05 | starseeker | ARRRRRRRRGH |
| 21:35.59 | starseeker | pulls out quake railgun and unleashes mayhem on autotools... |
| 21:49.39 | starseeker | autotools is like political process - you marvel at the amazing things they achieve while at the same time marveling that anything at all can be achieved |
| 21:59.32 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31047 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add make files for new doc directories |
| 22:56.16 | ``Erik | oh sweet jeebus, what have you done, what do I have to fix now |
| 22:58.50 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:01.43 | ``Erik | generating new Makefile.in dir's requires 'automake src/whatever/thing/Makefile', easier to just autogen if you don't know wha tyou're doing |
| 23:02.01 | ``Erik | it also needs entries in configure.ac and the parent SUBDIRS var |
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