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| 06:18.20 | yukonbob | guesses PrezKennedy was referring to LetterRip |
| 06:19.36 | yukonbob | anybody know of a mature portable super-cool programming language with excellent libraries and multi-paradigm programming? Oh wait -- found it; bye. |
| 06:19.40 | yukonbob | :P |
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| 11:14.05 | starseeker_ | yukonbob: Lisp? |
| 11:47.17 | archivist | assembler, it can use all the other languages libraries :) |
| 13:03.37 | ``Erik | scratches his head |
| 13:04.11 | ``Erik | lithp is an assembler for a lisp machine, C is an assembler for a pdp/vax11, ... assembler is more a notion than a language per se :D |
| 13:04.40 | archivist | hehe |
| 13:05.25 | archivist | as a BSD lover did you the antique bug ``Erik http://www.newmobilecomputing.com/story/19731/The_25_Year_Old_BSD_Bug |
| 13:09.23 | poolio | heh, i saw that :P |
| 13:19.08 | Miereroma | do you use rsync to update the BRL-CAD web? |
| 13:24.21 | brlcad | Miereroma: only for backups atm |
| 13:27.45 | Miereroma | someone reported a broken page |
| 13:28.06 | Miereroma | and I found the file on the server is filled partially with nonsensical words. But in the SVN it's OK |
| 13:28.29 | brlcad | reported where? |
| 13:28.31 | brlcad | what page? |
| 13:28.40 | Miereroma | I have a strong hypothesis compressed data got corrupted on the network transmission (or because of memory error in either computers due to an alpha particle) and that generated the "speaking in toungues" |
| 13:29.00 | Miereroma | tried by hand to swap few bits in a .txt.gz file and really manifests exactly like that :) |
| 13:29.11 | Miereroma | brlcad: Ronja website, http://ronja.twibright.com/about.php but it's already fixed |
| 13:29.19 | Miereroma | seems the CRCs are not strong enough |
| 13:29.22 | Miereroma | needs more bits |
| 13:29.45 | Miereroma | when we flush billions of gigabytes down the pipes every day no wonder this happens time to time |
| 13:30.01 | Miereroma | One of the words it generated was "Miereroma" :) |
| 13:30.39 | brlcad | ah |
| 13:30.50 | Miereroma | originally was "center" |
| 13:31.04 | Miereroma | but "ter" got replaced by "oma" in several places in the file |
| 13:31.24 | Miereroma | like if the computer invented it's own new language and partially translated some words into it ;-) |
| 13:31.59 | Miereroma | Interesting case where intelligence can actually come up from mistake. Maybe our human intelligence came the same way. Maybe we're just a mistake of the universe. |
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| 14:40.29 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31072 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added mater command to libged. |
| 14:47.06 | poolio | brlcad: so any thoughts on a project? |
| 14:53.24 | ``Erik | yes, archivist :) and I read a fair amount, and none is too terribly suprising |
| 14:54.11 | ``Erik | (alpha particle? those'll stop in a couple cm of air, or paper, they won't penetrate an ethernet wire... gamma mebbe? :D ) |
| 14:55.16 | ``Erik | brlcad, you talked to iraytrace yesterday? (apparently he missed lunch :> ) did you hear about his new acting position? :D |
| 14:57.03 | Miereroma | ``Erik: but they come from the epoxy in the memory modules and penetrate into the chip and flip a bit |
| 14:57.28 | Miereroma | I am sure BRL-CAD can raytrace alpha particle rays ;-) |
| 14:57.57 | ``Erik | hehehe epoxy emits alpha particles? wonder what the half life of the stuff is, I have an awful lot laying around |
| 14:58.42 | Miereroma | maybe russian chips they are surely molded into concrete instead of epoxy |
| 14:58.55 | ``Erik | in soviet russia... sorry, I'll stop |
| 14:59.50 | Miereroma | The Russian space shuttle buran exploded in the atmosphere |
| 14:59.59 | Miereroma | Collection teams managed to recover the following debris: |
| 15:00.10 | Miereroma | 15 cast iron manhole covers, various sizes and shapes |
| 15:00.20 | Miereroma | One broken toilet bowl, white ceramic |
| 15:00.34 | Miereroma | 3 rebar concrete window ledges |
| 15:00.44 | Miereroma | 1017 pieces of bathroom tiles |
| 15:02.41 | Miereroma | 30-ton above-life-size bronze statue of Lenin |
| 15:03.22 | starseeker | Actually, given the limitations the Russian space program does some remarkable work |
| 15:04.16 | ``Erik | <-- always been impressed by russian technology, brutally tough and effective despite poor funding and purgings of the era :/ |
| 15:04.48 | Miereroma | well I come from behind the Iron Curtain, and I created an optical wireless datalink from magnifying glasses and smoke pipes and rusty steel bars |
| 15:05.18 | Miereroma | Am sure the Westerns couldn't do it - maximum they could order a ready-made link with a VISA card |
| 15:05.49 | ``Erik | thus proving that intelligent people come from all over the world... now if only the us politicians would admit that and get their heads out of their arses |
| 15:06.15 | ``Erik | I'm sure there're many westerners that COULD do it, but why bother with all that effort when I can go buy one for two hours of work? |
| 15:06.35 | Miereroma | I would say the scarcity produced by the astronomical idiocy of the communist regime forced people to stimulate their brain if they wish to survive |
| 15:07.20 | Miereroma | Like academy of science scientists used to build their own houses from bricks with their own hands, because they couldn't afford buying one |
| 15:07.38 | ``Erik | cuba also has some impressive efforts wrt technology, a native industry that keeps 50 year old foreign vehicles on the road with no outside aid O.o |
| 15:08.19 | starseeker | cool - just like certain parts of the US ;-) |
| 15:08.31 | Miereroma | :) |
| 15:08.43 | Miereroma | Like Hawaii? |
| 15:08.55 | ``Erik | hehhe, all canadians build their own houses from brick, they stomp down the snow and cut the bricks out of it and make their houses :D *duck* |
| 15:09.07 | Miereroma | ``Erik: that's eskimoes |
| 15:09.08 | ``Erik | bada-tish |
| 15:09.36 | starseeker | actually thinks we should be looking more seriously at using compressed earth as a building material |
| 15:09.51 | ``Erik | lots of people do |
| 15:09.53 | Miereroma | I think we should excavate our houses into the ground |
| 15:09.54 | ``Erik | but we keep bombing them :( |
| 15:10.04 | ``Erik | sod houses used to be common in the midwest |
| 15:10.17 | Miereroma | you don't need to add material, plus you get thermal insulation, plus more favourable average "outside" temperature -> ecological |
| 15:10.31 | archivist | compressed earth== bricks (fired clay) |
| 15:10.51 | ``Erik | sun baked is good 'nuff |
| 15:10.54 | Miereroma | plus, you have 3 dimensions of space instead of 2 |
| 15:10.59 | ``Erik | worked in the middle east for the last 6000 years |
| 15:11.12 | archivist | heh not so wet there |
| 15:11.17 | ``Erik | mud even works with sunbaking to make a nice insulated waterproof house |
| 15:11.20 | starseeker | I think (IIRC) compressed earth uses local dirt pressed into bricks using very high pressures |
| 15:11.22 | ``Erik | it used to be very wet there O.o |
| 15:11.26 | Miereroma | middle east had the first civilization, 6000 BC ago |
| 15:11.52 | Miereroma | and now they have just one big mess |
| 15:11.55 | ``Erik | seriously, ya think a bunch of humans would move into a desert and say "gee, lets start farming here!"? |
| 15:12.09 | Miereroma | ``Erik: maybe server farming? |
| 15:12.48 | ``Erik | hehehehe, I'd put my server farms as close to a pole as possible to reduce a/c cost and risk of losing cooling |
| 15:13.22 | alex_joni | ``Erik: also get closer to superconductibility |
| 15:13.50 | ``Erik | modern IC's tend to go wonky if they get too cold, too :/ |
| 15:13.53 | starseeker | heh - here we go, open source + dirt blocks: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?cat=13 |
| 15:13.53 | alex_joni | learns it's actually spelled: superconductivity |
| 15:14.16 | alex_joni | ``Erik: not special purpose ones .. :) |
| 15:14.22 | ``Erik | would rather do http://www.opensourcebeerproject.com/2007/07/15/open-source-beer-recipe-finalized/#comments |
| 15:15.27 | ``Erik | special purpose IC's also don't go gimpy in cosmic radiation, so float it in an orbit that always keeps it in earths shadow, if you wanna go that route O.o :D |
| 15:15.50 | alex_joni | might be a mess to find empty spots in orbit |
| 15:17.22 | starseeker | looks for the plans for the press - wonder if they're using CAD... |
| 15:17.38 | ``Erik | I d'no if the 'always dark/light' band is cluttered.. be close to geosyncronous, but if you're not worried about that, you could move it in a bit so it fluctuates north and south... |
| 15:17.40 | ``Erik | *ponder* |
| 15:18.08 | ``Erik | atmospheric drag would require more boost to keep it in orbit, tho |
| 15:18.46 | ``Erik | *think* nah, I'm wrong, had the wrong frame of reference |
| 15:19.07 | ``Erik | far orbit lagrange point would be where it'd have to be :/ |
| 16:14.49 | louipc | hmm has anyone built the latest BRL-CAD for i386? |
| 16:25.18 | brlcad | louipc: I have/had, but didn't make a dist for it |
| 16:37.50 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31073 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added edmater command to libged. |
| 16:38.16 | louipc | brlcad: ah. Did drawing a torus work OK with that? |
| 16:44.14 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31074 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (editit.c edmater.c): Added edmater command to libged. |
| 16:55.10 | brlcad | louipc: er, can't say that I tried.. |
| 17:08.38 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31075 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/edmater.c: edmater relies on editit, rmater, and wmater |
| 17:14.18 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31076 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/ged.h src/libged/editit.c): move the editit doc to the ged.h header |
| 17:37.04 | ``Erik | brlcad ignored his phone, now brlcad has no sushi |
| 17:37.07 | ``Erik | :D |
| 17:37.47 | brlcad | ah |
| 17:37.51 | brlcad | it's over in the other room |
| 17:38.13 | brlcad | i just finished eating some cheerios anyways |
| 17:39.53 | ``Erik | o'sake wa sugoii ii desu ne |
| 17:40.46 | ``Erik | roomaji make things look weird O.o :D |
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| 18:06.11 | yukonbob | starseeker: re: Lisp -- I was being facecious w/ that little spiel -- like LetterRip, who had an interesting question, apparently answer it but didn't tell anybody, and just left... |
| 18:06.43 | yukonbob | waves in |
| 18:06.45 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 18:07.08 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r31077 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/mirror.c: Need to use bu_log when wdbp is NULL. |
| 18:36.10 | PrezKennedy | yukonbob, i found a way to make millions of dollars |
| 18:36.12 | PrezKennedy | g2g bye |
| 18:36.14 | PrezKennedy | :-P |
| 18:37.52 | louipc | I found the meaning of life and the purpose of human existence. |
| 18:37.59 | louipc | gtg bye |
| 18:47.36 | yukonbob | PrezKennedy: heh :) |
| 18:48.13 | yukonbob | Does anybody know how to make the BRL-CAD gui look like Solidworks? |
| 18:48.20 | yukonbob | Oh got it... g2g bye |
| 18:49.06 | yukonbob | foresees this being a BRL-CAD meme |
| 18:49.55 | louipc | haha are you saying that is more elusive answer than the meaning of human existence? hahha |
| 18:50.16 | alex_joni | I found the answer to the universe, life and everything.. |
| 18:50.21 | yukonbob | heh -- well no... but... |
| 18:50.37 | yukonbob | alex_joni: but the margins were too small to write down the solution? |
| 18:50.47 | alex_joni | yukonbob: no.. I'll share the solution |
| 18:50.51 | alex_joni | it's 42 |
| 18:51.08 | alex_joni | yukonbob: the issue is figuring out the question :) |
| 18:51.28 | yukonbob | What is the average flight speed of an unladen swallow? |
| 18:52.20 | alex_joni | european? |
| 18:52.38 | alex_joni | or african? |
| 18:52.47 | yukonbob | dunno |
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| 18:53.06 | alex_joni | then.. err.. no |
| 18:53.12 | alex_joni | wrong question :) |
| 18:53.25 | brlcad | knows how to make BRL-CAD gui look like solidworks ;) |
| 18:53.34 | alex_joni | yukonbob: joke aside.. never read h2g2? |
| 18:53.38 | yukonbob | isn't surprised |
| 18:53.39 | brlcad | not that that's the goal ;) |
| 18:53.55 | yukonbob | waves to brlcad; how're things? |
| 18:53.56 | archivist | yes it is :)) |
| 18:54.01 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:54.03 | louipc | solidworks has too many buttons anyways |
| 18:54.04 | brlcad | yukonbob: pretty good |
| 18:54.23 | alex_joni | wonders who knows how to make solidworks look like mged |
| 18:54.27 | archivist | sorta luvs solidworks |
| 18:54.29 | yukonbob | alex_joni: no -- I've got it, but not delved into it... of course I know about "42" though. |
| 18:54.31 | brlcad | solidworks is a great interface, closest to what we do, so definitely something to pay attention to (but not necessarily mimic exactly) |
| 18:54.51 | alex_joni | brlcad: well.. I'm more a fan of alibre ;) |
| 18:55.04 | alex_joni | nice-ish interface too |
| 18:55.04 | yukonbob | is a fan of mged and Tcl |
| 18:55.16 | louipc | I'm a fan of keyboard-driven interfaces |
| 18:55.24 | yukonbob | how much more precise can you get than saying "Do it this way"? |
| 18:55.38 | ``Erik | is a fan of writing code and making someone else model O:-) |
| 18:55.40 | alex_joni | yukonbob: way less precise.. |
| 18:55.54 | alex_joni | but in the learning curve.. maybe a bit faster to catch on |
| 18:56.05 | yukonbob | is a fan of filing bug reports and getting ``Erik to code |
| 18:56.06 | yukonbob | ducks |
| 18:56.31 | archivist | yukonbob++ |
| 18:56.43 | alex_joni | careful.. he overflows easily |
| 18:57.55 | yukonbob | ~karma |
| 18:57.55 | ibot | yukonbob has karma of 2 |
| 18:58.00 | alex_joni | heh :) |
| 18:58.18 | alex_joni | yukonbob: at least you're not binary |
| 18:58.37 | yukonbob | There are 10 kinds of people in the world... |
| 18:58.47 | alex_joni | heh |
| 18:59.06 | alex_joni | s/binary/bool/ |
| 18:59.18 | archivist | #apache and karma debian, today it was about -606 |
| 18:59.33 | yukonbob | s/bool/binary/ -- non-zero is a typical boolean true |
| 18:59.38 | brlcad | yukonbob: you should remind/annoy me to post up an architecture diagram at some point (not today) :) |
| 18:59.55 | archivist | is it done yet? |
| 19:00.31 | brlcad | it's been done for a long time, lots of detail not sorted out, but the big picture is there |
| 19:00.57 | yukonbob | should sink his teeth into something attainable again wrt BRL-CAD -- perhaps more docbook, now that my eyes are uncrossed... |
| 19:01.33 | brlcad | agrees ;) |
| 19:01.36 | yukonbob | starseeker_: what's the status of the big piece of docbook you were working on? |
| 19:01.55 | brlcad | he put one of his docs into the repo already, doc/docbook |
| 19:04.57 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31078 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/ (Makefile.am docbook/Makefile.am docbook/oed/Makefile.am): remove the vars, cause more trouble than they're worth; simplify build vars to just what's needed |
| 19:05.35 | yukonbob | listens to the "autechre" channel on last.fm, hits keyboard |
| 19:06.44 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31079 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: move the docbook items up in the list, separate out autogeneration/integration with the build system |
| 19:06.51 | brlcad | tunes in to autechre |
| 19:07.47 | brlcad | hmm.. not bad :) |
| 19:08.14 | brlcad | good coding music |
| 19:08.26 | yukonbob | :) |
| 19:09.23 | ``Erik | is a fan of bitching and whining about broken code until brlcad fixes it O:-) |
| 19:10.05 | yukonbob | ...when he's not talking about how Lisp and asm are the only True Languages... ;) |
| 19:10.22 | ``Erik | heh, I don't think I've ever espoused the virtues of asm |
| 19:10.35 | ``Erik | and I'm more of a thchemer than a lithper :) |
| 19:11.32 | yukonbob | though he wanted to be a lithsper, but then dethided sthcheme might be the way -- but has still not _really_ got into it as much as he should... |
| 19:13.50 | yukonbob | *thought he wanted... |
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| 20:16.27 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31080 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/ (if.c parse_fmt.c usrfmt.h): Some preliminary work in support of gap reporting - more pieces are needed |
| 20:33.19 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r31081 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: make closing both the command window and graphics window shut down mged (i.e., fix unintentional behavior) |
| 20:34.03 | brlcad | adds an FAQ item about printing and expands the couple dozen related pages that topic dragged in |
| 20:40.32 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/wiki/FAQ has the new entry |
| 20:41.40 | brlcad | I also fixed RSS feeds, so feed://brlcad.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&feed=rss will work now for example (to keep track of the latest changes) |
| 20:42.26 | brlcad | change that to feed=atom for Atom feeds |
| 20:48.50 | louipc | nice |
| 21:05.47 | ``Erik | whoa |
| 21:06.37 | ``Erik | neat, I load up a wiki page and the text is normal, highlight a word and that one line turns bold (and doesn't unturn bold if I unhighlight) |
| 21:10.15 | louipc | hooray for the internets |
| 22:01.36 | brlcad | Brothomstates .. nifty |
| 22:09.16 | CIA-21 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r31082 10/brlcad/trunk/src/nirt/ (if.c parse_fmt.c usrfmt.h): Reporting gaps now on command line nirt - mged version isn't happy yet |
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