| 00:00.41 | Ralith | anyway, it's still a GUI issue |
| 00:01.02 | louipc | nah it could work in the command line |
| 00:01.08 | Ralith | fine |
| 00:01.11 | louipc | and it should |
| 00:01.11 | Ralith | it's still a UI issue |
| 00:01.24 | Ralith | I dunno |
| 00:01.32 | Ralith | it'd be awkward to support both |
| 00:01.37 | Ralith | and radius is preferable to diameter |
| 00:01.40 | louipc | not necessarily |
| 00:02.25 | louipc | yeah it is ui though. I don't propose primitives store the diametre |
| 00:02.29 | louipc | rather than radius |
| 00:03.02 | louipc | but if you have any experience working with mechanical drawings and making real parts out of metal and such, you'll know what I mean |
| 00:03.14 | louipc | or should... |
| 00:39.14 | brlcad | `` , and whomever else I missed -- be sure to update mailing address on the dashboard per message that came out today (no '.' or ',' or non-ascii chars) |
| 00:39.28 | brlcad | er |
| 00:39.37 | starseeker | blinks |
| 00:39.44 | brlcad | ``Erik, yukonbob that was for you |
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| 00:53.23 | starseeker | 's brain has had it - done in by paperwork |
| 01:16.41 | poolio | err i wasnt? |
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| 02:46.46 | yukonbob | reads scrollback, |
| 02:49.42 | yukonbob | er... Hello, cadheads :) |
| 02:58.15 | yukonbob | doesn't recall to which "dashboard" above message refers. |
| 02:58.42 | yukonbob | ?sourceforget |
| 04:23.19 | pacman87 | yukonbob: gsoc dashboard |
| 05:03.26 | PrezKennedy | conspiracy! |
| 05:04.02 | PrezKennedy | dont mind me... its late |
| 05:45.02 | yukonbob | pacman87: oh......... |
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| 07:37.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32781 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 07:37.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: simplify the compilation/configuration options for generating the documentation. |
| 07:37.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: provide just one configure option that turns the docs all on or all off for now, |
| 07:37.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: support 'auto' by default so it's on if it finds what it needs, and simplify the |
| 07:37.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: makefile logic as well. push the logic up into the docbook dir so we don't even |
| 07:37.55 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: traverse if it's off. this lets you manually traverse into the dir to create |
| 07:37.57 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: the docs even if they were configured off. this is all fairly untested but |
| 07:51.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32782 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/ (libtie/Makefile.am libtienet/Makefile.am): |
| 07:51.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: debian build failures still seem to rear their head in src/adrt due to linkage |
| 07:51.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: failures on libbu. add BU as a LIBADD dependency. more than likely, this is |
| 07:51.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: related to link_all_deplibs in libtool but unable to test the configuration from |
| 07:51.46 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: sf bug report 2131397 (Latest svn revision failed to build on Debian sid) |
| 08:04.02 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32783 10/brlcad/trunk/ (11 files in 6 dirs): variety of manual page fixes by Giuseppe Iuculano ( derevko ) via sf patch 2133680 (Minor fixes to manual pages) |
| 08:11.50 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32784 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: credit Giuseppe Iuculano with special thanks for his efforts integrating brl-cad into debian apt, for compilation testing, and few minor patches to manual page files. |
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| 08:57.29 | claymore | up all night brlcad? |
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| 09:37.51 | brlcad | claymore: nah |
| 09:38.16 | brlcad | just weird sleeping habits |
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| 10:39.42 | claymore | Newb question: Whats a Netsplit'? |
| 10:40.20 | archivist_ub | irc servers losing their interconnection |
| 10:41.54 | claymore | ah i c. Thanks! |
| 10:42.54 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r32785 10/rt^3/trunk/src/geometryService/cpp/stractNet/ (8 files): Continuing Geometry Service Java -> Cpp Conversion. |
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| 13:38.33 | starseeker | brlcad: Thanks for the help on the configure stuff! |
| 13:43.21 | clock_ | brlcad: did you ever use vector terminals with brl-cad? |
| 13:43.54 | clock_ | would it be possible to modify brl-cad to produce sound card output such that when viewev od XY oscilloscope, it would represent the scene wireframe? |
| 13:46.20 | archivist_ub | daft idea clock_ have you ever seen the flicker from that type of display |
| 13:46.33 | clock_ | no |
| 13:46.46 | clock_ | I have seen the Youscope demo on the 30 MHz analog scope I bought today |
| 13:46.57 | clock_ | Although the letters are legible, the picture is pretty shit. |
| 13:47.49 | archivist_ub | modern graphics cards are so much better |
| 13:48.43 | brlcad | clock_: yep |
| 13:48.53 | archivist_ub | its very hard to drive the xy plates at the speed needed for equivalent display |
| 13:49.24 | brlcad | not me personally, I arrived around the time when there were still b&w's worth testing on but no vectors by the 90's |
| 13:49.51 | clock_ | brlcad: what's a b&w in this context? a vector or a raster CRT? |
| 13:50.02 | brlcad | raster |
| 13:50.26 | brlcad | one of the very first displays of brl-cad that you can see in the historic images is of the Vector General |
| 13:50.37 | archivist_ub | I have a scap vector in the garden |
| 13:51.00 | clock_ | brlcad: URL on that image? |
| 13:51.11 | brlcad | it's in the gallery |
| 13:51.18 | clock_ | that's very vintage. Oldschool. Dusty and smelly |
| 13:51.24 | clock_ | brlcad: the one with Muus drawing the tank? |
| 13:51.28 | brlcad | yep |
| 13:51.36 | brlcad | that's a vector display |
| 13:51.51 | clock_ | is into oldschool, he likes analog scopes, rides an oldschool skateboard,... |
| 13:52.26 | archivist_ub | one of my book collection shows those displays |
| 13:52.33 | clock_ | This one? http://brlcad.com/screenshots/mikemuuss.jpg |
| 13:52.56 | brlcad | yes |
| 13:53.27 | clock_ | and the cabinets behind the seriously scientifically posing man in sand coloured jacket, are they laundry machines? |
| 13:53.29 | brlcad | fwiw, you shouldn't be going to the .com -- that's for commercial support |
| 13:53.36 | clock_ | Where you can put your jeans and pull them clean out? |
| 13:53.48 | clock_ | brlcad: I found it through google images |
| 13:54.07 | brlcad | dude, brlcad.org/gallery |
| 13:55.35 | clock_ | brlcad: does brlcad has some tool like "rt" which instead of producing a raster would export wireframe in a "line x1 y1 x2 y2" format? |
| 13:59.01 | brlcad | sort of |
| 13:59.20 | brlcad | you can either get a raster hidden wireframe image via rtedge |
| 13:59.39 | brlcad | or you can save the wireframe in mged to a 2d or 3d plot file (or postscript file) |
| 13:59.51 | clock_ | postscript file even nicer |
| 14:00.40 | brlcad | look at the File menu in mged, look at the Render View menu |
| 14:01.04 | clock_ | brlcad: nice |
| 14:01.24 | clock_ | brlcad: but hidden edge vector file is not available I guess? |
| 14:01.41 | brlcad | not presently |
| 14:01.45 | brlcad | maybe after BREP is completed |
| 14:01.52 | clock_ | what is brep? |
| 14:02.16 | clock_ | hidden edge vector file would be nice for publication, providing clean lines |
| 14:02.21 | clock_ | But hey, even now it looks nice |
| 14:02.32 | clock_ | wonders if BREP works like rtedge | autotrace inside ;-) |
| 14:02.35 | brlcad | ~brep |
| 14:05.13 | brlcad | ~brep is a Boundary REPresentation of a solid CAD model where shapes are represented using a collection of connected surface elements, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_representation for details |
| 14:05.13 | ibot | brlcad: okay |
| 14:06.19 | clock_ | brlcad: does it work for spheres too? Or aren't we getting from CSG to some kind of surface modelling? |
| 14:06.28 | clock_ | BRL-CAD is SOLID modelling |
| 14:07.26 | brlcad | you can represent most all shapes with brep that you can combining primitives together with csg |
| 14:07.35 | brlcad | brep is also (usually) solid modeling |
| 14:07.44 | clock_ | even curved boundaries like sphere? |
| 14:07.45 | brlcad | just a different implementation mechanism |
| 14:08.04 | brlcad | sure, spline surface boundary representations can give you most curved surfaces |
| 14:08.22 | clock_ | can it represent sphere precisely or only approximation? |
| 14:08.24 | brlcad | and with a higher degree of editing freedom (since you can freely deform any surface patch) |
| 14:09.12 | clock_ | hopes there will be some kind of children lock to prevent him from mis-clicking and warping his model |
| 14:09.43 | brlcad | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel4/5937/15808/00732121.pdf?arnumber=732121 |
| 14:10.46 | clock_ | brlcad: that's heavy stuff |
| 14:10.55 | clock_ | doesn't know even the Bresenham for NURBS |
| 14:11.50 | clock_ | I think if I tried to write an algorithm for intersection of a NURBS with a ray, my head would explode. |
| 14:12.11 | clock_ | you must be tough guys at BRL-CAD |
| 14:13.26 | brlcad | they're a pita to implement and really hard to make numerically robust |
| 14:13.47 | brlcad | but they're what you need for interactive shaded displays that most folks expect |
| 14:14.00 | claymore | heads explode here once every 3.7 minutes. |
| 14:16.12 | clock_ | claymore: :) |
| 14:16.44 | clock_ | doesn't want interactive shaded display, I want cubes and cylinders intersecting in a wireframe, and then the object magically appearing during raytracing |
| 14:17.14 | brlcad | well you have that now :) |
| 14:17.24 | brlcad | just trying to please more folks ;) |
| 14:21.10 | claymore | likes wireframe also. |
| 14:21.49 | claymore | doesn't like training wheels on his CAD packages. ;) |
| 14:38.46 | brlcad | starseeker: did all the configure and makefile changes make sense to you? |
| 14:39.31 | brlcad | there is more that should probably happen inside the configure.ac, e.g. if you have xsltproc but don't have Xinclude available |
| 14:39.39 | brlcad | some functionality testing to make sure it'll actually work |
| 14:40.46 | iandaletter | starseeker: you can check your email |
| 15:07.34 | Axman6 | is clock_'s quit message supposed to be a list of depressing languages and pieces of software? |
| 15:14.28 | yukonbob | waves-in: "Morning, cadheads" |
| 15:15.25 | yukonbob | Axman6: heh |
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| 15:25.11 | iandaletter | its his resume |
| 15:25.53 | iandaletter | or his sworn-like wish |
| 15:34.19 | mafm | hi |
| 15:34.30 | claymore | hi |
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| 16:20.04 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r32786 10/rt^3/trunk/src/geometryService/cpp/stractNet/ (12 files): Continuing Geometry Service Java -> Cpp Conversion. |
| 16:24.59 | starseeker | iandaletter: Looking at it now |
| 16:37.32 | starseeker | scowls at linuxdoc - they appear to have separate websites and storage systems for each language |
| 16:38.29 | starseeker | fortunately, firebird is more interesting... |
| 17:45.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r32787 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/ (. bot_decimate.c nmg_collapse.c nmg_simplify.c wdb_obj.c): nmg_collapse and nmg_simplify now check that their input NMG has only planar faces. This sort of fixes bug #2052656 (mged crashes on nmg_simplify and nmg_collapse) |
| 17:46.19 | brlcad | louipc: the input calculations are something that can/should be improved, allowing the user to either switch sets/styles of input if there are conventions and always allowing them to override and get at more advanced topions |
| 17:46.27 | brlcad | (referring to discussion last night) |
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| 17:51.13 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32788 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Building on Sean's Makefile cleanups, make pdf building conditional on presence of fop without stopping html generation. Add lessons directory. |
| 17:58.25 | brlcad | starseeker: summary printing is prime real estate in shortage, I wouldn't include pdf there |
| 17:58.35 | starseeker | ok |
| 17:59.09 | brlcad | you can put that detail in the summary |
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| 17:59.24 | brlcad | just format the response accordingly |
| 17:59.51 | starseeker | you mean fit it on one line? |
| 18:01.40 | brlcad | yeah, something like.. Install extra documentation: yes (html, pdf) | yes (html only) | yes (without pdf), etc |
| 18:02.44 | brlcad | i'd also try to word it from the end-user's perspective, not what goes on behind the scene |
| 18:03.27 | brlcad | basically what (from their view) results, not how |
| 18:03.37 | starseeker | that's why you're calling it "extra"? |
| 18:03.51 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:04.39 | brlcad | there are probably a few other ways to say the same thing that would work |
| 18:05.19 | starseeker | extra is fine for now - I just hope to reach the point where it's incorrect to call it extra :-) |
| 18:06.16 | brlcad | yeah, certainly -- but even then at that point, "extra" might then mean "generate pdfs too" |
| 18:09.01 | starseeker | now regrets taking a fresh checkout - giddyup already |
| 18:11.14 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32789 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: john addressed sf bug 2052656 (crashing whis nmg_collapse and nmg_simplify) from Nicolau Werneck (nwerneck) where iges-g -t was crashing. the problem was non-planar surfaces causing the nmg processing routines to abort. |
| 18:13.22 | brlcad | the only stickler on the doc integration is that the default build on any system should always compile *something* flawlessly with default configure options and with --enable-all |
| 18:14.06 | brlcad | even if that means turning off all documentation down the road once it's fully integrated into mged unless a way can be found to make the build self-contained |
| 18:14.24 | starseeker | nods |
| 18:14.36 | brlcad | libxml2 could easily be imported, but don't know how big xsltproc actually is |
| 18:14.46 | starseeker | checks |
| 18:15.03 | brlcad | not important for now :) |
| 18:15.09 | starseeker | heh |
| 18:15.11 | brlcad | more improtant to get it working first :) |
| 18:19.47 | starseeker | well, just for reference, the combined tarballs of libxslt and libxml2 are just shy of 8MB |
| 18:20.09 | starseeker | winces |
| 18:20.20 | brlcad | would have to see how much of that is actual source data |
| 18:20.47 | brlcad | it undoubtedly includes test cases, probably some binary files, maybe some specs |
| 18:21.47 | starseeker | yep |
| 18:46.13 | mafm | heading home, waves bye bye :P |
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| 19:35.26 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32790 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Reduce 'extra' documentation linest one. |
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| 20:07.12 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32792 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: remove the duplication of functionality, bot_dump ftw |
| 20:16.46 | b0ef | much of the manuals are rewritten in docbook; are these online somewheree? |
| 20:17.00 | b0ef | s/somewheree/somewhere/ |
| 20:17.00 | starseeker | not yet - working on that |
| 20:17.11 | b0ef | aiight, thanks |
| 20:17.20 | starseeker | the original pdfs look better, for now |
| 20:17.43 | b0ef | is there any way to extrude a set of lines? |
| 20:17.47 | b0ef | to form walls.. |
| 20:18.19 | starseeker | Um - you could create a sketch of the wall outlines and then extrude that, but our sketch editor isn't so hot |
| 20:18.36 | b0ef | I know; I've imported a dxf and it's a set of lines in 2d; I want to extrude them up in 3d to form the walls |
| 20:18.56 | starseeker | Ah, that's a bit different |
| 20:19.18 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32793 10/brlcad/trunk/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Integrate oed docs better into the build system |
| 20:19.20 | starseeker | brlcad: Can a dxf import be extruded like that? |
| 20:23.05 | brlcad | yep, they should import as a sketch |
| 20:23.33 | b0ef | is that something different than using dxf-g? |
| 20:23.35 | brlcad | you still cannot, though, have paper thin walls, it'll use a parity test to determine solidity |
| 20:23.51 | brlcad | dxf-g will import them as a sketch |
| 20:24.18 | b0ef | well, the lines form walls in a closed loop; that is, it's a line going around the wall section, making them 10 cm thick |
| 20:24.40 | b0ef | the lines outline the wall |
| 20:25.43 | b0ef | is that good enough? |
| 20:25.51 | brlcad | what makes them 10cm thick? |
| 20:26.24 | b0ef | well, it's like seeing a wall section from above, then tracing around it |
| 20:26.56 | brlcad | so there are lines for the inside wall surface and the outside wall surface |
| 20:27.04 | brlcad | if that's the case, it should be fine |
| 20:27.06 | b0ef | yeah, a wall is like a box |
| 20:27.31 | brlcad | if it's just one line (e.g. just a rectangle), that will result in a solid box when it's extruded |
| 20:27.43 | b0ef | that's ok, for now;) |
| 20:28.13 | b0ef | can I extrude a whole group? |
| 20:28.28 | b0ef | when I do ls, I get intwall.c.6 among others |
| 20:28.46 | b0ef | can I extrude all in intwall.c.6? |
| 20:29.45 | brlcad | no, you can only extrude a sketch |
| 20:30.05 | brlcad | they can be oriented individually in any direction/depth/skew |
| 20:30.43 | b0ef | ah, I also see them as sketch when I do ls |
| 20:31.19 | b0ef | right, so this is sketch.6 |
| 20:33.03 | brlcad | "l intwall.c.6" will show the contents |
| 20:33.27 | b0ef | right |
| 20:33.28 | brlcad | turns off anonymous comments and anonymous contact on the website |
| 20:33.57 | b0ef | then we miss out on the drive by commenters |
| 20:34.49 | b0ef | usage: extrude #### distance |
| 20:35.23 | b0ef | on the wiki, it said it would extrude faces, but these are lines |
| 20:35.30 | brlcad | so far, there has been *one* drive by comment of value |
| 20:35.36 | brlcad | since the site went up |
| 20:35.48 | brlcad | there have been about 400 spam comments |
| 20:36.01 | brlcad | yeah, 'extrude' is for arbs |
| 20:36.08 | brlcad | use the 'in' command |
| 20:36.25 | brlcad | in object extrude sketch.6 |
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| 20:53.04 | b0ef | right, but why does it ask me where to place it? |
| 20:55.27 | b0ef | how do I look up documentation for "in object extrude sketch"?;) |
| 20:56.02 | brlcad | we were just talking about that last week |
| 20:56.13 | brlcad | apparently there is documentation on the sketch/extrude, but I've never seen it myself |
| 20:56.21 | brlcad | trying to hunt it down, but it'll probably be a while |
| 20:56.40 | brlcad | it's asking you where to place it because it's a 3d system? :) |
| 20:57.04 | brlcad | you can place it anywhere and/or extrude in various ways based on those parameters |
| 20:57.06 | b0ef | right, but I don't know where it is; I just want it to extrude from where the object is;) |
| 20:57.22 | brlcad | just try some default 0 0 0 for position and 1 0 0 / 0 1 0 for the uv |
| 20:59.25 | b0ef | yeah, I tried a few but it asks me 10 questions and I don't know what it's asking for;) |
| 20:59.54 | b0ef | X,Y,XYZ,X,Y,XYZ,X,Y |
| 20:59.54 | b0ef | hehe |
| 22:04.23 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32794 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/articles/ (13 files in 13 dirs): Tie in articles to build system |
| 22:04.31 | starseeker | why is sourceforge so slow? |
| 22:07.08 | archivist_ub | has never known it to be fast |
| 22:09.32 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32795 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/mged/ (16 files in 16 dirs): Tie in lessons to build system |
| 22:09.43 | starseeker | cripes |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32796 10/brlcad/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Sweep up the rest of the changes. Volume II and III should now be able to see |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: all images that are available - single page generation only, at the moment, but |
| 22:12.15 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: much closer. Still lots of work to get images downsized/replaced with modern |
| 22:12.18 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: versions, some missing figures, etc. |
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| 23:56.18 | starseeker | tests pdf building on home box... |
