IRC log for #brlcad on 20081015

00:04.34CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32961 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/system/man1/en/ (Makefile.am mged.xml): Add first stab at an MGED man page that is a tad more current - needs some more work.
00:07.18louipcstarseeker: some funky line wrapping you've got there :D
00:07.49starseekermm?
00:08.00starseekeryou mean in the xml?
00:08.04louipcyea
00:08.30starseekerDoesn't  look too bad here - what's it look like on your end?
00:09.44starseekerwhat really counts is how it looks in output :-)
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00:10.44louipchttp://louipc.yi.org/images/funky-wrapping.png
00:12.02louipcwell my term is at 79 cols is why hah
00:13.20starseekerAh
00:13.31starseekeryea, I'm being a bit careless about that
00:13.36starseekerfeel free to correct it :-)
00:14.30louipcI'd feel so lame doing that since you're actually doing the real work and stuff haha
00:14.40louipcyour rules
00:26.14starseekerlouipc:  Nah, go for it
00:26.44starseekerreally shouldn't be doing doc stuff, but his new doc display system doesn't reach full potential until it has lots of material to work with
00:28.38starseekerlots of instant gratification, as it were :-)
00:28.57louipchey man it's good work
00:29.24starseekerlouipc:  Does the new tkhtml3 widget work for you?
00:29.31louipchaven't tried it yet
00:29.58starseekerah.  At the moment, if you type "man search" in a recent svn build you should get it
00:30.22louipcthat works in classic mode too?
00:30.31starseekerno, needs Tcl/Tk
00:30.52louipcaw
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01:19.41brlcadlooks like -h is help and that's not in the man page either .. :)
01:20.20brlcadthat's where I'd really like to have the command spreadsheet complete to datamine what the predominant args in use are for various types of commands
01:20.55brlcadwould help to know what options would be best to be globally consistent (like -? or -h on any command always giving usage)
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02:42.46yukonbobhello, cadheads
03:26.56starseekerhowdy bob
03:29.54starseekerbrlcad:  Is the other html stuff actually being used anywhere?  If so, is it something we can swap out with tkhtml3?
03:36.18starseekerHmm.  Wonder where the right place to store documentationon shift grips is - an article?
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07:55.28CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * r32962 10/brlcad/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
07:55.28CIA-4BRL-CAD: fixed the libgcv integration into the MS Windows Dll build
07:55.28CIA-4BRL-CAD: added some libged file for consistency
10:34.01brlcadstarseeker: "the other html stuff"?
10:40.51brlcadg'morning d_rossberg
10:41.44d_rossbergmoin moin brlcad
10:43.30claymorebegins the morning caffination cycle.
10:44.03clock_CIA-4: ;-)
10:44.07clock_claymore: ;-)
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12:21.02CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r32964 10/brlcad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Added the clone command to libged.
12:23.06mafmhallo
12:31.09claymorehai!
12:32.09brlcadhowdy mafm
12:35.58CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32965 10/brlcad/trunk/src/README: add libgcv
12:57.32mafmhey, my module still compiles fine!
13:04.58starseekerregains consciousness
13:05.18starseekerdingnabbit, I want brlcad's limitless endurance
13:07.55mafmwould be OK with half or one quarter of brlcad's endurance
13:08.04mafminfinite/4 is not bad
14:16.58brlcadmafm: heh, graet ;)
14:17.12brlcadstarseeker: not limitless, I slept some last night :(
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14:39.02starseekerbrlcad:  are my commit privs messed up somehow at sourceforge?
14:39.28starseekerServer sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to MKACTIVITY request
14:39.40brlcadsounds like a server hiccup
14:41.21starseekergrowl
14:43.28starseekerdammit, even with a fresh checkout
14:43.31starseekerBAD timing
14:43.36starseekerhow do I fix it?
14:44.14brlcadtime
14:51.01``Eriktry scaring it or making it drink water
14:51.57``Erikecho "I'm going to install java on you" | telnet svn.sf.net
14:57.08mafmlol
14:57.36starseekerCan anyone else commit?
14:58.09starseekerneeds to go in but would prefer to have his changes committed first
14:58.59``ErikI cannot
14:59.20brlcadnor I
14:59.39starseekerOK, at least it wasn't just me offending the sourceforge gods
15:00.12starseekerblames this on the cat
15:01.08brlcada new svn was deployed yesterday, maybe some fallout today that needed addressing
15:01.15starseekerah
15:01.43brlcadnot the only project too, so they know about it: https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?group_id=1&atid=200001
15:03.55brlcadheh
15:04.05starseekergot in first, but not by much ;-)
15:04.17brlcadwondered what that flash was
15:04.43starseekerpredicts this issue will rapidly get a lot more comments
15:04.59brlcadheh, travis saw it
15:05.03brlcadlikes the live updates
15:05.09starseekerthis is cool
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15:05.44brlcadnice way to reduce load, no need to refresh
15:06.46starseekerHeh - "Issues of this nature will typically be reviewed again by
15:06.48starseekerthe assigned member of the SourceForge.net team within 3 business days"
15:07.28brlcadi think it's more of an "alright already, I see it" :)
15:08.00starseekerOh, I know - I just like the mental image of what would happen if they did wait that long
15:08.36brlcadI think you were probably one of the first
15:08.58brlcadthe earliest postings are all about 10 minutes after you first started having the problem
15:09.15starseekerTjat
15:09.22starseekerthat's what I get for doing a compile test
15:09.53brlcadah, actually looks like matplotlib beat you by 2 minutes
15:10.35starseekeryou mean 20 minutes?
15:11.16brlcadno
15:11.29brlcadthey reported at 14:40, you commented here at 14:42
15:12.27starseekerAh :-)
15:12.30starseekerhehe
15:12.56starseekerhow come I never have this kind of luck with lottery tickets?
15:14.46starseekergoes to make some food...
15:15.26brlcadwhat, you want to be two minutes late to buying a winning lottery ticket?
15:15.42brlcadI'd rather not play with that level of frustration :)
15:18.50brlcadsets up a notification
15:19.19claymoreerik:  you get my email?
15:26.50brlcadoff to korean now if you're close
15:39.35CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r32966 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: pnts have vectors and colors now, just have to make them work
15:57.51CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32967 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (mged.tcl openw.tcl): Trim back the help menu a bit
16:04.07CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32968 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (254 files in 15 dirs):
16:04.07CIA-4BRL-CAD: Take first stab at updating OpenNURBS to 4.0. Have attempted to merge in all
16:04.07CIA-4BRL-CAD: BRL-CAD specific changes. Builds on gentoo in this form, although for some
16:04.08CIA-4BRL-CAD: reason I needed to include assert.h in opennurbs_curve.h and make a couple other
16:04.08CIA-4BRL-CAD: tweaks.
16:47.42brlcad*burps*
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16:58.34starseekerbrlcad:  Does that integration of opennurbs look OK?
17:00.27brlcad<PROTECTED>
17:00.42brlcadif it works, then it looks great ;)
17:01.09brlcadtry running breplicator and raytracing the db
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17:14.16starseekererm.  Lots of WTF??? output
17:16.24starseekerI'm guessing that's not right
17:16.25starseekercrud
17:16.55starseekerscreen xy: 251,348
17:17.10brlcadmaybe maybe not.. it wasn't exactly flawless
17:17.18brlcadlemme make sure it works
17:18.17brlcadhm, yeah .. no .. it should work just fine :)
17:18.29brlcadmakes a cube, even renders clean
17:18.32starseekerding nabbit
17:19.11starseekerlet me get in there and I'll try to figure out what's messed up - worst comes to worst I can revert
17:19.52starseekercrap - 5 hours+ potentially down the drain
17:19.54brlcadI ran: ./breplicator && mged -c breplicator.g l brep && rt -F/dev/X breplicator.g brep
17:20.21brlcadshould dump a bunch of face info (twice) and render a cube
17:20.37brlcadwith no warnings/errors during render
17:21.00brlcadit might not be your fault if they actually changed something, but chances are some patch needed
17:23.55starseekerit dumps info alright, but it raytraced this:  http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/breplicator_failure.png
17:24.24starseekerHere's the .g file:  http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/breplicator.g
17:25.45brlcadrenders fine so it's not the structure
17:25.55brlcadjust the raytrace routines (which are related to the opennurbs mods)
17:26.37starseekersigh.  OK.  I'm heading in - I'll start digging once I get there.  Confound it...
17:27.02starseekerhad hoped to surprise everyone with a working upgrade, but nooooo...
17:32.21brlcadheh
17:32.31brlcadwell, it *is* surprising ;)
17:32.53starseekeryeah, but now it's surprise breakage
17:33.30starseekerstill, good excuse to figure out debugging cpp/c interactions
17:35.01starseekeris a bit taken aback by just how much code is in opennurbs
17:35.47brlcadhm?
17:35.52brlcadit's a pretty small library
17:36.27brlcadsorta, i mean it's on par with librt line-wise
17:36.36brlcadbut it's c++, which is more verbose line-wise
17:37.01starseekerAh
17:51.56mafmon the other hand, with new "auto" keyword, LoC counts for C++ files will drop down by 40% or so :รพ
18:18.44brlcadhehe, probably
18:27.28brlcadstarseeker: NEWS updates ..
18:37.43mafmI think that it would be the most appreciated feature of new C++ standard
18:37.49mafmat least mine it would be!
18:54.03mafmheading off, 'night!
19:08.49brlcadyeah, auto will be great
19:12.58louipcuh oh build error with latest SVN and openNURBS http://pastebin.com/mb4f8a7
19:29.11starseekerlouipc:  Can you paste it to the bzflag pastebin?  I can't get to that one
19:29.59starseekerbrlcad: oops, right
19:34.10starseekerlouipc:  Is it opennurbs_box.h?
19:35.14starseekermust have missed an add
19:40.19CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32969 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/openNURBS/ (opennurbs_box.cpp opennurbs_box.h opennurbs_crashtest.h): Bad developer, need to add files when they're new...
19:46.50brlcad~bzpaste
19:48.33brlcad!listkeys bzp
19:48.39brlcader... *slap*
19:48.46brlcad~listkeys bzp
19:48.54brlcad~bzpastebin
19:48.55ibotrumour has it, bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel
19:49.10starseekerbrlcad: thanks :-)
19:49.35starseekerI'm guessing the missing files were the problem - they caused a failure for me too
19:52.07starseekerjeez - who needs roller coasters when you have the stock market?
19:52.57brlcadoh, dip?
19:53.07brlcadlooks
19:53.38starseekerjust a tad
19:54.21brlcadwoot, outstanding
19:54.34brlcadbuys
19:55.41starseekerfeels like the stock market needs mental help - it's bipolar
19:58.49brlcadhah, this is awesome...
19:58.57brlcadmoves more funds into his trading account
20:03.26brlcadtaps foot impatiently waiting for account to reflect the change
20:03.34brlcadwoot!
20:09.03starseekeralright, how can hits.size get a value of 3??
20:09.06PrezKennedywho do you use brlcad ?
20:09.50PrezKennedyhahaha and they *thought* the worst was over
20:09.52PrezKennedymorons...
20:10.41starseekeris forced to conclude the majority of market players have no clue what's going on
20:18.46louipcstarseeker: yep
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20:21.14brlcadPrezKennedy: etrade
20:23.19louipcwhy buy now when you can buy later for pennies!
20:23.26louipcmuhahah
20:25.08brlcad:)
20:25.16brlcadwill buy all the way down
20:26.00brlcadit'll eventually go back up, especially on a local panic minima like it is now
20:38.17starseekerbuilds 7.12.6 to have something to compare
20:48.13PrezKennedyi need to buy in
21:01.47louipcI'd say invest in a real business rather than magical numbers in a computer ;)
21:04.14PrezKennedya real business? like what?
21:04.35brlcadthinks you should invest your money in the Bank of Sean
21:04.59PrezKennedysounds sketchy
21:05.20brlcadit is, almost guaranteed 0% return on investment
21:05.32archivistcan archive your moneyz
21:05.44PrezKennedyim waiting for the next fake announcement that jobs is having a heart attack
21:05.46brlcadbut there are perks, potato chips, and nice pat on the back
21:05.47PrezKennedythen ill buy into apple
21:10.26louipcPrezKennedy: like a hot dog stand or something
21:57.53PrezKennedywow... $50 and i could buyout Ford...
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23:28.05louipcstarseeker: I recall you said something before about sending a patch upstream for tkhtml3. What was that one about? I'm currently looking at the config scripts to disable the build since I already have tkhtml3
23:29.01starseekerloouipc:  Er, don't need to do that
23:29.09starseekerfigured out how to use their build
23:29.17louipcok cool
23:29.30starseekerDo need to make a test for whether tkhtml3 is already present inside an already present tcl/tk
23:29.48louipchmm
23:30.08louipcah were you working on a config option?
23:30.11starseekerisn't quite up on autoconf testing procedures yet - probably some sort of routine to look at the results of package require Tkhtml 3.0
23:30.18starseekerlouipc:  not right now
23:30.22starseekergo for it if you like
23:30.36louipcyeah I just need to do the test
23:30.52starseekerdoes happy dance that the openNURBS updates are OK after all
23:33.10louipchttp://louipc.yi.org/brlcad/tkhtml-build.patch
23:33.25louipcwell that's what I put so far...
23:33.34louipcit won't work because I didn't do the test
23:34.06starseekerI can't get to louipc.yi.org :-(
23:34.11louipcerp
23:34.40louipchttp://louipc.dontexist.org/brlcad/tkhtml-build.patch
23:35.44starseekercan't find that one either
23:35.48starseekerweird
23:35.58starseeker~bzpastebin
23:35.59ibotmethinks bzpastebin is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz or a place to put large chunks of text so as not to flood a channel
23:36.04starseekermight try that
23:37.05louipchttp://omploader.org/vdHU5/tkhtml-build.patch
23:37.19louipcoh are you restricted to that domain or something?
23:37.49starseekerlast one worked
23:38.22``ErikI AM the shogun of harlem!
23:38.57``Erikhttp://palinaspresident.com
23:39.37louipcsweet
23:39.41starseekerlouipc:  We aren't looking for an la file in this case
23:40.19starseekerThere's probably some "standard" way to check for packages at the autoconf level
23:41.27CIA-4BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r32970 10/brlcad/trunk/ (NEWS TODO): Note cleanup on MGED's Help menu and the integration of the latest release of openNURBS (4.0) into the BRL-CAD source tree. No longer a TODO item.
23:41.52louipcthe test for TNT is interesting. It seems to compile and run a little program imbedded in the config script
23:45.26starseekerI think that's the "right" way
23:52.22``Eriksucks that garth marenghi's darkplace is only available as a region 2 dvd :(
23:52.59starseeker``Erik: I figured you'd have a BSD box set up with mythtv or some such to be able to watch anything
23:53.53starseekeris it wrong to be amused by the wild swinging of the stock market?
23:54.17``Eriknah, haven't built a mythtv box
23:54.37``Eriklooks like most of the episodes are on googles video site O.o

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