| 00:00.58 | louipc | I use git. It's way faster and cleaner in my opinion |
| 00:05.43 | ``Erik | cleaner how? (the other argument sounds like a no-starter to me *shrug* personal opinion I suppose) |
| 00:06.24 | louipc | my directories aren't littered with CVS |
| 00:07.10 | ``Erik | heh, true, but subversion makes .svn directories, darcs makes an ugly _darcs directory, both of those have FAR more crap than cvs... what's git use? |
| 00:08.08 | louipc | .git at the top level only |
| 00:08.29 | louipc | all diffs/config/etc is stored there |
| 00:08.43 | ``Erik | so you have to go to the top level directory to do any operation? |
| 00:08.47 | louipc | nope |
| 00:08.54 | louipc | you can be in any subdir |
| 00:09.11 | ``Erik | huh, recursive parent checking? O.o |
| 00:09.18 | louipc | I don't need a separate checkout to look at an branch |
| 00:09.33 | ``Erik | hops on louipc's box and makes ugly stuff in /.git/ :D |
| 00:09.59 | louipc | git is pretty sweet. better than svn or cvs at least |
| 00:10.10 | louipc | I can't speak for the other stuff out there since I never used it |
| 00:10.14 | ``Erik | _darcs is directory top-level, too, and it drives me nuts *shrug* |
| 00:10.34 | louipc | hehe yeah they could have made it a .darcs |
| 00:10.58 | ``Erik | personally, I like cvs more than svn... svn copes with moving files, but that's the only leg up it has on cvs to me *shrug* :) |
| 00:11.23 | ``Erik | even so, "find ." returns about twice what it SHOULD |
| 00:11.32 | louipc | hehe indeed |
| 00:11.43 | ``Erik | and it uses twice as many inodes as it should, and craps all over the directory table, and ... :D |
| 00:11.48 | louipc | yeah git is grep/find friendly |
| 00:12.17 | louipc | all objects have SHA1 hashes and they're stored based on that hash too |
| 00:12.38 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 00:12.40 | louipc | so you get some corruption/tampering warnings if things don't add up |
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| 03:15.19 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33040 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/tkhtml3/tclconfig/tcl.m4: (log message trimmed) |
| 03:15.19 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: This fixes a problem that showed up in make distcheck, but will also be |
| 03:15.19 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: triggered in any situation where there doesn't happen to be a correct tk.h |
| 03:15.19 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: include file installed - the list variable used by tcl.m4 already had |
| 03:15.19 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: directories in it when the time came to find the tk.h file to use, and those |
| 03:15.23 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: pre-existing paths caused a build failure on some machines (in my case, it was |
| 03:15.25 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: trying to use /usr/include/tk.h despite the enable-all flag because it 'saw' |
| 03:18.20 | starseeker | can't believe that took him so long :-( |
| 03:20.29 | louipc | nice |
| 03:21.36 | louipc | starseeker: do you think tkhtml3 should be installed in the same place as brlcad? right now it's installing in /usr/lib |
| 03:22.36 | CIA-24 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33041 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/Makefile.am libpc/Makefile.am other/Makefile.am): These tweaks get make distcheck up to the documentation build. |
| 03:29.02 | starseeker | louipc: Is it? crud It's supposed to install wherever tcl/tk packages are supposed to go |
| 03:29.49 | louipc | well my system tcl is in /usr but itcl, etc is all in the brlcad dir |
| 03:30.23 | starseeker | weird. On my system it's in /usr/brlcad/lib/Tkhtml3.0 |
| 03:31.05 | louipc | are you using a brlcad build tcl or system tcl? |
| 03:31.12 | starseeker | brlcad build |
| 03:31.46 | starseeker | if you're using a system build (assuming that works, I haven't tried it) it would probably have to go where the system tcl/tk could find it |
| 03:34.07 | starseeker | unlike tkimg (don't know about the rest) we're building a "proper" tcl package that "package require" can find |
| 03:34.57 | louipc | hmm so if it was installed in the brlcad directory you'd just have to add it to the path eh? |
| 03:35.06 | starseeker | not sure |
| 03:35.31 | louipc | or tcl's version of ld.so.conf |
| 03:35.36 | starseeker | in theory bwish could/should be aware of a brlcad specific location for things, I'm just not sure what it does |
| 03:36.30 | starseeker | should tackle the last issue for using system libs on gentoo and get that working so he can test properly |
| 03:37.31 | louipc | :D |
| 03:38.22 | starseeker | right now though, I'm trying to make sure all my new stuff isn't killing make distcheck |
| 03:41.21 | louipc | yeah this build system is kind of difficult to figure out |
| 04:13.32 | yukonbob | hi, cadheads |
| 04:13.44 | starseeker | howdy |
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| 04:58.42 | starseeker | brlcad: Do I need to manually add the targets for the dvi portions to the Makefile.in in tkhtml3? |
| 05:32.55 | brlcad | dvi portions? |
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| 10:38.43 | claymore | You guys stay up way tooo late ;) |
| 10:43.05 | starseeker | brlcad: Making dvi in tkhtml3 |
| 10:43.05 | starseeker | make[4]: Entering directory `/home/cyapp/cadtoplevel/brlcad/brlcad/brlcad-7.13.0/_build/src/other/tkhtml3' |
| 10:43.08 | starseeker | make[4]: *** No rule to make target `dvi'. Stop. |
| 10:50.52 | Axman6 | claymore: 9:50pm is late? |
| 10:54.52 | claymore | Axe: No, but 0136 is :) |
| 10:55.55 | claymore | Does anyone have experience with nVidia's CUDA tech? |
| 10:56.04 | clock_ | what is it supposed to be? |
| 10:56.29 | claymore | Just by reading all the online reports/hype, it sounds awesome... but we all know how nVidia likes to toot their own horn. |
| 10:56.51 | claymore | Its an API designed for utilizing nVidia GPUs as computational processors. |
| 10:56.55 | clock_ | I don't like nvidia because of their proprietary approach to drivers. |
| 10:57.37 | clock_ | can it be used in BRL-CAD? |
| 10:58.17 | claymore | There is no reason why it couldn't.... would probably be a pain to impliment though. Although that is just a guess. |
| 10:58.41 | clock_ | are you interested in it in because of BRL-CAD? |
| 10:59.09 | claymore | Partially work related, partially hobby related :) |
| 11:00.18 | claymore | All the benchmarks I have been seeing are comming in at 10-64x faster than a cpu..... |
| 11:00.29 | clock_ | lol |
| 11:00.33 | clock_ | so it can render 64x faster? |
| 11:00.50 | clock_ | I would have use for that, Ronja compiles 1 week and most of it is video rendering time |
| 11:01.00 | clock_ | OpenOffice is peanuts compared to that... |
| 11:01.10 | claymore | a GTX280 nVidia module clocks 64 Gflops while a 2.4GHz Opteron clocks 1.6 Gflops....lol |
| 11:01.26 | clock_ | What is Opteron? |
| 11:01.34 | clock_ | That's the new AMD CPU? |
| 11:01.44 | claymore | AMD's server CPU...not really new |
| 11:02.06 | clock_ | looks like the transistors inside must be substantially faster than the good ole 2N3904 |
| 11:02.30 | clock_ | probably don't have 272pF of base-emitter capacitance either ;-) |
| 11:02.42 | claymore | well yeah, they are like 60nm big :) not much substrait there. |
| 11:02.53 | clock_ | the smaller the better |
| 11:03.08 | clock_ | I hate dinosaur transistors which take half an hour just to charge their mammoth junction |
| 11:03.08 | claymore | sneeze wrong and you could forward bias a 60nm transistor ;) |
| 11:03.15 | clock_ | ;-) |
| 11:03.31 | claymore | lol. |
| 11:04.03 | clock_ | I was designing a 16MHz amplifier and had to resort to 5GHz transistors because the slower ones were so slow... |
| 11:04.20 | claymore | wow.... CUDA can utilize as many GPUs as you have in your system.... *ponders* |
| 11:05.06 | claymore | wonders why clock was designing a 16MHz amp.... |
| 11:05.18 | clock_ | for my optical project |
| 11:05.26 | clock_ | whose casing and holders ar desigend in brlcad |
| 11:05.43 | claymore | personal or professional project? |
| 11:06.00 | clock_ | it has to have 100dB of gain, clip flawlessly and -3dB @16MHz |
| 11:06.03 | clock_ | personal |
| 11:06.15 | clock_ | but the performance is rather professional |
| 11:06.28 | claymore | 'optical project' is pretty vague... |
| 11:06.39 | clock_ | free space optics 10Mbps full duplex 1.4km |
| 11:06.43 | clock_ | 62nm or 875nm |
| 11:06.47 | clock_ | 62 -> 625 |
| 11:07.11 | clock_ | It's like fibre optics except there is no fibre |
| 11:11.27 | claymore | sorry, phone. |
| 11:11.36 | claymore | so free space = out in the open air? |
| 11:11.53 | clock_ | yes like openair just without the music |
| 11:12.10 | claymore | do you have functional prototypes yet? |
| 11:12.24 | clock_ | Far beyond that |
| 11:12.30 | clock_ | there are 153 registered installations worldwide |
| 11:12.42 | clock_ | But at the moment I have no complete functional prototype :) |
| 11:12.53 | claymore | .... confused.... |
| 11:13.10 | clock_ | well it's already in widespread use. |
| 11:13.14 | claymore | if you don't have a prototype... how can there be installations? Or are you reverse engineering an existing tech? |
| 11:13.49 | clock_ | Because I left the prototype in the home of my parents where it was partially disassembled partially left on the roof and disconnected |
| 11:14.08 | clock_ | it's a from-scratch development nothing to do with existing tech |
| 11:14.20 | clock_ | It's built from peanut cans, rusty smoke flues and Chinese magnifying glasses |
| 11:14.29 | claymore | And you have managed to sell this? |
| 11:14.37 | clock_ | And can transmit DVD video realtime with 10_9 bit error rate |
| 11:14.45 | clock_ | claymore: no I didn't even try to sell this |
| 11:15.55 | claymore | sounds pretty cool. is the purpose to create a point to point network bridge? |
| 11:16.06 | clock_ | yes with standard Ethernet interface |
| 11:17.03 | clock_ | thanks |
| 11:18.58 | claymore | and to make sure I get your benchmarks correct, you sustained 10Mbps over a 1.4km distance? |
| 11:19.16 | clock_ | yes and full duplex |
| 11:19.23 | clock_ | with 10^-9 bit error rate |
| 11:20.13 | claymore | impressive. Whats the deltaPerformance over the range of weather types? |
| 11:20.29 | clock_ | deltaPerformance? |
| 11:20.35 | claymore | change in performance |
| 11:20.58 | clock_ | It doesn't work in fog, works in haze rain and snow |
| 11:21.16 | claymore | cool.... no radiation hazard then? |
| 11:21.19 | clock_ | works in -25degC and also when the sun is heating it in the summer so you can't hold hand on it |
| 11:21.31 | clock_ | and also under frost buildup |
| 11:22.13 | clock_ | Also once someone didn't seal the casing and the thing filled half with water so it was like aquarium and all the electronics was underwater but it still ran |
| 11:22.19 | clock_ | But that's not a designed mode of operation |
| 11:22.29 | claymore | haha nice. |
| 11:22.36 | clock_ | I have a video of this aquarium |
| 11:23.04 | clock_ | Here is the frozen one http://images.twibright.com/tns/381.html |
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| 11:23.29 | claymore | so the power required to bridge 1.4km doesn't require a laser powerful enough to pose a radiation hazard eh? |
| 11:24.42 | clock_ | Here is the aquarium video http://ronja.twibright.com/failure/aquarium.avi |
| 11:25.12 | clock_ | claymore: the power is 17mW, the 625nm is totally eye safe, the 875 you are not supposed to stare into it with binoculars from < 20 meters |
| 11:25.32 | clock_ | According to Czech legislature. The individual national limits may of course vary. |
| 11:25.45 | clock_ | It doesn't use a laser, but an LED |
| 11:26.22 | claymore | laser/led.... radiation is radiation ;) |
| 11:26.50 | clock_ | Here is the warning sign I made in Czech :) http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/warning.png |
| 11:27.22 | elite01 | whoo, believe it or not, i heard of ronja before :) |
| 11:28.06 | clock_ | elite01: from me boasting here in this channel? |
| 11:28.21 | elite01 | noo quite a while ago |
| 11:28.27 | clock_ | from Slashdot? |
| 11:28.28 | elite01 | no idea how i stumbled upon it |
| 11:28.30 | elite01 | nah |
| 11:28.54 | elite01 | maybe because of links |
| 11:28.59 | clock_ | hack-a-day? O'Reilly blog? |
| 11:30.23 | elite01 | *shrug* i don't visit those sites often |
| 11:51.08 | brlcad | starseeker: ah |
| 11:52.33 | brlcad | i'm not sure what that option actually means, when do you see it getting called? |
| 11:53.06 | brlcad | I mean, I don't see how you would have run into it since we don't have any dvi |
| 11:55.08 | brlcad | ah, I see that the top-level distcheck calls it on the hierarchy |
| 11:57.51 | brlcad | ooor, not on the hierarchy .. how'd you run into it again?? |
| 12:06.44 | brlcad | aaand never mind, I see it's recursive |
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| 13:39.39 | mafm | hallo |
| 13:43.25 | claymore | Hai! |
| 13:47.26 | starseeker | wishes they would hurry up and deliver the firggin filing cabinet already |
| 13:50.13 | brlcad | howdy |
| 13:58.49 | claymore | hands starseeker his Easy Button. |
| 14:01.30 | starseeker | <snort> I was about an inch away from being able to load the thing into my car this weekend |
| 14:01.38 | mafm | brlcad: is my big fat commit of yesterday ok? |
| 14:02.00 | starseeker | but noooo. And this morning I get a call that it's been "shipped from the warehouse" whatever that means |
| 14:03.22 | starseeker | they're supposed to deliver it, but it's not clear if they can leave it at the front desk or I have to sign for it |
| 14:03.22 | starseeker | I'm starting to regret not strapping it to the roof |
| 14:04.04 | mafm | starseeker: lost in tansportation |
| 14:04.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Got another one missing - make check |
| 14:04.32 | starseeker | fakes up another one... |
| 14:12.00 | brlcad | nods |
| 14:12.25 | brlcad | starseeker: if you look at the distcheck: rule in the top-level Makefile, you'll see all the recursive targets that get called |
| 14:12.41 | starseeker | nods - trying that now |
| 14:13.04 | starseeker | should be getting fairly close to a clean distcheck |
| 14:13.20 | starseeker | didn't realize just how badly he had torpedoed it |
| 14:14.11 | brlcad | happens :) |
| 14:14.44 | brlcad | at least most of the problems are actually just simple build system integration tweaking |
| 14:14.52 | starseeker | True |
| 14:15.01 | starseeker | 'cept for that sneaky tcl.m4 problem |
| 14:19.45 | ``Erik | clock, your 'optar' was linked in a +5 slashdot comment a few days ago, didja see that? |
| 14:20.02 | clock_ | ``Erik: no. what does it mean +5? |
| 14:20.11 | clock_ | what was it about? |
| 14:20.30 | clock_ | Recently they posted some research centre was started to develop networking over light |
| 14:20.34 | ``Erik | http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1001009&cid=25438323 |
| 14:20.36 | clock_ | and someone posted a link to my Ronja page |
| 14:22.39 | starseeker | optar looks cool |
| 14:23.22 | starseeker | needs a good printer though, and things like dot based watermarking would tend to be a problem |
| 14:24.08 | ``Erik | probably why the 3x3 pixel cell size, no? :D |
| 14:24.46 | starseeker | yeah, that should get above all but the worst toner noise |
| 14:25.15 | starseeker | is reading |
| 14:26.07 | starseeker | almost wants to take some pages printed out on this system to a notary just to see the reaction |
| 14:28.28 | brlcad | reminds me of work I did many years ago for Hopkins hospital, a DARPA project with unfortunately inept management |
| 14:28.44 | ``Erik | wait, what?? inept mgmt in the DoD? no way! |
| 14:28.51 | clock_ | I have some optar files |
| 14:28.55 | clock_ | I recently wanted to print them |
| 14:29.15 | clock_ | but the printer had bad mood and created huge vertical smudges of missing toner across the whole page |
| 14:29.24 | starseeker | nods |
| 14:29.28 | clock_ | A printer is not enough. Must be a printer which actually works. |
| 14:29.43 | starseeker | used to develop printer components, seen how bad some of the outputs can get |
| 14:29.56 | brlcad | to prove that our xray encryption was working and "secure" (which it was, AES before it was finalized), I took one of the xray films, scanned it, encrypted the data, and reprinted a new xray of the encrypted data |
| 14:30.16 | brlcad | which of course just looks like white noise, but printed up on xray film |
| 14:30.19 | clock_ | starseeker: with output do you mean the actual design that comes out of the development deparment? |
| 14:30.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Cool :-) |
| 14:30.36 | ``Erik | out of curiousity, does optar have the ability to work around, say, a tri-folded letter? |
| 14:30.37 | brlcad | still has those films *somewhere* |
| 14:30.56 | clock_ | ``Erik: I don't know. I tried just a two-folded letter. |
| 14:31.00 | starseeker | clock_: Nah, the test pages from developing physical hardware (my thing was Optical PhotoConductor drums) |
| 14:31.11 | ``Erik | means 3 'panels', two folds |
| 14:31.24 | starseeker | worked on variety of common desktop and small business level printers |
| 14:31.28 | clock_ | I actually tried one vertical and one horizontal fold |
| 14:31.37 | clock_ | put the paper into the pocket of my jeans and took out |
| 14:31.45 | ``Erik | the ink damage from folding didn't adversly effect it? |
| 14:31.52 | clock_ | yes it did |
| 14:31.57 | clock_ | but that's why there are golay codes |
| 14:32.20 | ``Erik | <-- imagines having gutters in the print format for folding would be the best approach on that |
| 14:33.01 | claymore | just heard forests around the world scream in terror. |
| 14:33.08 | clock_ | A friend helped me on Ronja project |
| 14:33.12 | ``Erik | heh |
| 14:33.21 | clock_ | he wa clever he backed up his work on CD for the case the hard disk failed |
| 14:33.21 | starseeker | clock_: Hmm, looks like the view_vc links aren't working |
| 14:33.27 | clock_ | The hard disk actually failed in 2 weeks |
| 14:33.33 | clock_ | So he took the CD and realized he cannot read it |
| 14:34.02 | clock_ | That's why I made optar. I don't fold my prints. I put them into a transparent foil and file them with contracts etc. |
| 14:34.13 | clock_ | starseeker: there is more things not working |
| 14:34.14 | ``Erik | well, claymore, if someone in the US writes crypto with more than 128 bits in the key, it cannot be legally distributed to anyone outside the US electronically. but it CAN be printed and sent |
| 14:34.28 | clock_ | with optar? |
| 14:34.41 | ``Erik | that's why all the cool crypto stuff is coming from like israel and germany and shit |
| 14:35.30 | clock_ | free speech in the C language, that's not implemented in the US? |
| 14:35.34 | ``Erik | (iirc, it was 56, and clin-ton upped it to 128, but anyone who doesn't suck uses at least 1024) |
| 14:35.37 | clock_ | What does the onstitution say? |
| 14:35.48 | clock_ | Bill Cliton? |
| 14:36.18 | claymore | stares at his joke, lying on the floor, beaten to death by Erik, who obviously mistook it for something else..... |
| 14:36.23 | starseeker | clock_: The tarball from the website has two bad links in it - font.h and golay.svg |
| 14:36.37 | clock_ | starseeker: I already have this bugreport in the pipeline |
| 14:36.42 | starseeker | ok |
| 14:36.48 | clock_ | Now I am going to add the one with viewvc |
| 14:36.53 | clock_ | for this I have to send myself an e-mail reminder |
| 14:37.01 | clock_ | for this I have to login into the e-mail system of my provider |
| 14:37.15 | ``Erik | sorry, I don't wake up until 5:30-6 pm |
| 14:37.19 | clock_ | but this e-mail system is running in Java and takes about 10 minutes to react to the "login" button |
| 14:37.22 | clock_ | So patience please |
| 14:37.37 | ``Erik | the vacuum tubes in my humor circuits are still cold :D |
| 14:37.45 | clock_ | If they don't return 501 Internal Server Error, or the login page again, your report might actually get filed. |
| 14:38.00 | clock_ | Oh I broke through already into the write e-mail page |
| 14:38.20 | clock_ | But when I click write e-mail it shows a page "thank you for logging off" |
| 14:38.22 | clock_ | Well - Java. |
| 14:38.53 | starseeker | claymore: We need an open source humor detector bot :-) |
| 14:39.27 | claymore | well the Geekdar just caught on fire, lemme put it out ;) |
| 14:39.50 | clock_ | after trying 3 times finally succeeded to get into the write e-mail page |
| 14:40.21 | clock_ | OK filed successfully |
| 14:40.30 | clock_ | now wait about 10 years and I might actually get to it |
| 14:41.30 | starseeker | the golay.svg file can be gotten from the website, it's the missing font.h that's the problem |
| 14:42.11 | starseeker | likes neat archiving ideas |
| 14:42.12 | clock_ | doesn't remember anything anymore |
| 14:42.44 | ``Erik | 'cept paper for archiving may not be good these days, most paper is acid washed and deteriorates quickly in a decade or two |
| 14:42.54 | clock_ | I am now realizing the best way how to get a surge of popularity is put deadlinks on the website |
| 14:43.05 | starseeker | claymore: I'm surprised it isn't on continual burnout where we work ;-) |
| 14:43.12 | ``Erik | tufte has one of his usual tufte-esque rants on the topic, and pays out the butt to get his books printed on "good" paper |
| 14:43.19 | clock_ | ``Erik: sometimes I get receipts from a cash desk which are completely white after 2 weeks |
| 14:43.40 | clock_ | I wonder if it's legal to give out purchase proofs like these |
| 14:43.55 | ``Erik | ink deterioration is one thing, I have 10 year old papers that are crumbling :/ |
| 14:44.02 | starseeker | ``Erik: Yeah, durable paper is expensive |
| 14:44.25 | clock_ | Well you can at least tell when it's crumbling and re-scan |
| 14:44.32 | starseeker | IBM (I think) has some nifty stuff that is really hard to rip, not sure about it's long term storage |
| 14:44.46 | ``Erik | if you want text to stick around for a while, grab a hammer and chisel and find some marble :D |
| 14:44.49 | clock_ | But can you look at a hard disk and say "shit I see the bits flipping, I should copy it to another one"? |
| 14:45.07 | clock_ | ``Erik: marbles are subject to deswtruction by interplanetary impacts |
| 14:45.27 | starseeker | wait, might have been Xerox |
| 14:45.37 | ``Erik | yeah, and everything is subject to destruction by universe heat death *shrug* |
| 14:45.40 | starseeker | yeah, marble sucks - go granite |
| 14:45.46 | clock_ | ;-) |
| 14:46.04 | starseeker | or those plastic bottles everyone claims will be around for 1 million years |
| 14:46.09 | clock_ | load the granite into a dot matrix printer and print optar 1000 times without the ribbon :) |
| 14:46.12 | ``Erik | marble and even pottery has done a good job for 2-3k years |
| 14:46.44 | ``Erik | the languages die/mutate a lot faster than the medium :) |
| 14:47.06 | clock_ | good to have a medium which lasts 500 years when the civilization will obviously destroy itself in 100 years anyway :() |
| 14:47.25 | ``Erik | which civilization? |
| 14:47.33 | clock_ | well don't store the data itself |
| 14:47.53 | clock_ | assume that in 1000 years the archaelogy will be so advanced they will be able to tell what you've been thinking just from your ashes |
| 14:47.56 | ``Erik | only one of the original 7 still exists, civilizations come and go, and are not a singleton :D |
| 14:49.32 | clock_ | I am sure in 1000 years people will be able to travel in time and extend their lifespan, but they will still not be able to make a reliable electrical connector. |
| 14:50.22 | clock_ | ``Erik: which are the remaining 6 ones? |
| 14:50.38 | claymore | clock: assuming electricity will still be in use then ;) |
| 14:50.56 | starseeker | Ah, there it is - Xerox DuraPaper: http://www.rechargermag.com/articles/37709/ |
| 14:52.52 | starseeker | or I guess now it's DuraDocument paper |
| 14:54.17 | clock_ | What's the point in storing data? |
| 14:54.25 | clock_ | Who is interested in the tons of information? |
| 14:54.35 | starseeker | future historians |
| 14:54.47 | starseeker | we have to make sure they can get to all those youtube videos |
| 14:55.01 | starseeker | it will explain why our civilization collapsed |
| 14:55.18 | clock_ | because all of the earth mass was converted into iPods |
| 14:55.40 | claymore | they will also need to know who Jenna Jameson was ;) |
| 14:55.58 | clock_ | I am gay so I don't know the names of the current female porn stars. |
| 14:56.34 | clock_ | Also the list of patents so they know what all they are not allowed to invent |
| 14:56.45 | starseeker | Once we can put out a new BRL-CAD manual, it'd be fun to have a copy printed on this super paper :-) |
| 14:56.59 | clock_ | in optar format all on one page :) |
| 14:57.13 | brlcad | it's more than 200k :) |
| 14:57.20 | clock_ | BRL-CAD: extermely simple UI: all the manual fits on 1 page :) |
| 14:57.24 | clock_ | brlcad: how many K? |
| 14:57.33 | clock_ | Maybe "The whole manual fits on just 10 pages"? |
| 14:57.52 | brlcad | maybe compressed |
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| 15:00.23 | starseeker | if it's pdf, and we agglomerate everything into one big book... that's a lotta megs, even compressed. Good quality raytraced images are big |
| 15:01.04 | brlcad | the text looks like it's about 1158714 chars in docbook and text format .. images are the big ones |
| 15:02.41 | brlcad | gets on the road |
| 15:02.59 | brlcad | ``Erik: probably not till noon now :/ |
| 15:04.50 | clock_ | In 1000 years we will be able to back up the whole Universe on a USB stick |
| 15:04.59 | clock_ | But this stick will lose all it's data in 10 seconds |
| 15:05.21 | clock_ | And consumer warranty will be only 5 seconds. |
| 15:06.51 | starseeker | heh - the quantum USB stick - you delete what's stored on it by trying to read it |
| 15:08.26 | claymore | how about the precog USB stick: It copies/creates what data you want on it before you do. |
| 15:11.18 | clock_ | quantum USB stick: there is nothing on the stick, random data are created at the time you attempt to read them |
| 15:15.54 | claymore | Matrix USB Stick: There is no USB Stick. |
| 15:16.53 | clock_ | You take the blue pill you read 1 |
| 15:17.00 | clock_ | you take the red one you read zero |
| 15:17.07 | clock_ | You can freely decide what you are going to read |
| 15:17.39 | clock_ | Chinese USB stick: it is a stick, but it's actually not USB. |
| 15:18.03 | clock_ | Q: what's the difference between a wooden stick and Chinese USB stick? |
| 15:18.11 | clock_ | A: the wooden stick is more USB-compliant |
| 15:18.25 | louipc | brlcad: why are there so many darned aliases for the config options? |
| 15:19.19 | claymore | scolds louipc for being on topic. |
| 15:35.33 | ``Erik | crap, I gotta look that up, heh |
| 15:35.36 | ``Erik | and he left |
| 15:48.37 | starseeker | arrrrrrgh - tkhtml3 just does not want to play the distcheck game |
| 16:12.10 | starseeker | brlcad: Is there something about putting directories in EXTRA_DIST that messes with make distcheck? I'm getting errors about their removal |
| 16:47.01 | mafm | I go home, c'ya |
| 16:57.07 | louipc | cya |
| 18:14.42 | brlcad | louipc: because I can never remember (and hate having to remember) whether it's --enable-optimize --enable-optimized and --disable-debug --disable-debugging etc |
| 18:14.58 | brlcad | nobody has to use them, they're only defined for convenience (and don't show up in help) |
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| 18:36.51 | louipc | ah I figured it would be easier to remember if it was only one or two aliases |
| 18:37.07 | louipc | err one alias rather |
| 18:47.33 | brlcad | the aliases also help catch mistakes .. since configure has no way of reporting "unrecognized option" by default |
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| 20:11.22 | ``Erik | thinks he'll leave his windows machine blue-screened until the admins notice it :D |
| 20:45.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:45.53 | brlcad | calls a dozen liquor places and is amazed at how many different languages other than english everyone seems to know |
| 20:46.08 | brlcad | at least finally found what I was looking for though |
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| 20:59.29 | starseeker | out of source build, not doing make distcheck succeeded |
| 21:00.00 | brlcad | where'd it put the tkhtml3 object files? |
| 21:00.07 | brlcad | source dir or build dir |
| 21:00.46 | starseeker | build dir |
| 21:00.57 | starseeker | is rerunning make distcheck now |
| 21:05.38 | starseeker | brlcad: Is this the first time we're hooking in something without any Makefile.am? |
| 21:05.51 | brlcad | nope |
| 21:06.01 | brlcad | well, sorta yes/no |
| 21:06.07 | starseeker | heh |
| 21:06.46 | brlcad | tcl/tk's been hooked in without a makefile.am before and sorta still is (though there is the one wrapper) |
| 21:07.32 | brlcad | they also don't use automake for their build so their subconfigure and the traversal into their dir is similarly non-conformant with automake |
| 21:08.05 | starseeker | ok |
| 21:28.30 | starseeker | ????? With a fresh checkout, now I'm getting the Permission denied errors |
| 21:35.53 | starseeker | http://paste.bzflag.bz/d396b020d |
| 21:37.00 | starseeker | brlcad: stocks dove |
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| 21:39.36 | ``Erik | nifty |
| 21:54.59 | ``Erik | boos at common lisp some |
| 21:55.05 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:21.44 | louipc | the smallest one? |
| 22:30.46 | brlcad | that looks like english to me |
| 22:55.46 | ``Erik | (format nil "~r" 532144321321) |
| 22:55.46 | ``Erik | "five hundred thirty-two billion one hundred forty-four million three hundred twenty-one thousand three hundred twenty-one" |
| 22:56.13 | ``Erik | neat stuff, but unable to cope with BIG numbers |
| 22:56.32 | brlcad | me too |
| 22:56.52 | ``Erik | huh, it doesn't seem to handle complex numbers, either :( scheme does |
| 22:57.02 | brlcad | patch it up! |
| 22:57.33 | ``Erik | but it's a lot easier to sit around and bitch! :D |
| 23:24.30 | PrezKennnedy | brlcad, i drove for the first time on the highway today |
| 23:24.33 | PrezKennnedy | got it up to 60 |
| 23:24.57 | brlcad | woot |
| 23:25.09 | brlcad | and the 'need for speed' begins.... |
| 23:25.47 | PrezKennnedy | no casualties, no fatalities! |
| 23:29.10 | ``Erik | then ur doin' it rong |
| 23:29.11 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:29.26 | PrezKennnedy | :D |
| 23:29.45 | PrezKennnedy | told the coworkers that if i go out... im going to do it with style |
| 23:29.58 | PrezKennnedy | somehow land the car on the roof of the building or something |
| 23:30.45 | ``Erik | on the roof? lame, get it to stand up on the nose, ontop of a flagpole |
| 23:30.55 | ``Erik | that'd be worth some points |
| 23:31.15 | ``Erik | "freestyle Xtreme" |
| 23:31.48 | PrezKennnedy | its the tallest building in the area... getting the car on the roof would be pretty amazing since nothing is highe |
| 23:31.51 | PrezKennnedy | *higher |
| 23:33.41 | PrezKennnedy | i had lots of practice in burnout though... |
| 23:33.53 | ``Erik | that's where the freestyle xtreme part comes in, you gotta hit the half-pipe just right and not botch it :D |
