| 00:29.55 | starseeker | brlcad: Is the Liquid Wiki Engine Project for Drupal any good? http://drupal.org/node/142409 |
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| 01:58.50 | ``Erik | nickcollkill on yourself, impressive |
| 02:00.30 | starseeker | needs to set up Drupal on his home machine so he can experiment without severe risk to the brlcad.or website |
| 02:02.09 | ``Erik | once you install freebsd, just do "portmanager www/drupal6" and it's done :D *duck* |
| 02:04.15 | Ralith | <3 freebsd |
| 02:11.57 | ``Erik | hrm, two hits with just hc's, or do I bring my dreadnaught to single-shot it |
| 02:12.57 | starseeker | jeez, gentoo-wiki.com is well and truly screwed |
| 02:13.23 | ``Erik | naturally, it runs on gentoo... :D *duck* |
| 02:13.31 | starseeker | this is going to be poster child #1 for the importance of off-isp-server backups |
| 02:13.51 | ``Erik | 3 location, yo |
| 02:13.56 | starseeker | their isp got in a billing dispute and no one will help him get his data back |
| 02:14.29 | starseeker | locations wouldn't have done it in this case, he needed multiple company backups |
| 02:15.30 | ``Erik | ah, I've been fighting to get my data from a university for the last couple months, sucks |
| 02:16.32 | starseeker | there's something to be said for having physical tape backups in a few locations under your control... |
| 02:16.51 | ``Erik | depends on how much data you're talking about |
| 02:17.06 | ``Erik | when you start measuring dat9 by terabytes, it gets real expensive real fast |
| 02:17.14 | starseeker | grumbles... gentoo-wiki was EXTREMELY useful and had info on Drupal setup - hope google cache was reasonably current |
| 02:17.20 | starseeker | true :-) |
| 02:17.35 | starseeker | unless you're doing lots of multimedia though, that's pretty unlikely |
| 02:22.08 | starseeker | heads home... |
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| 03:50.36 | brlcad | starseeker: can't say I've ever heard of it before today |
| 03:54.37 | brlcad | but I don't see why we'd bother either -- if wiki is the approach, we have mediawiki; otherwise straight up drupal customization is probably easiest |
| 03:54.51 | brlcad | one thing to look at, though, might be drupal Book Import and Book Export |
| 03:55.19 | brlcad | they use xml format there already -- doing an xml<->xml conversion (or maybe get lucky if it's already docbook) might be really trivial |
| 03:55.49 | starseeker | I was under the impression their book format was a rather specific way of linking individual pages to each other |
| 03:56.05 | starseeker | which isn't really what we're looking for for the man pages |
| 03:56.26 | starseeker | but yeah, I'll definitely be peaking at the code for a basic education :-) |
| 03:56.51 | starseeker | is working on getting a basic LAMP setup going on his home box |
| 03:57.46 | brlcad | if you think of each manual page as a book, it works out just fine -- the only linking is book-to-book and metabooks |
| 03:58.14 | brlcad | or even each manual page as a book section, there are lots of corrollaries |
| 03:58.30 | starseeker | Hmm. OK, I guess some experimentation is in order |
| 03:58.43 | brlcad | might want to check out this guy's work: http://www.puregin.org/node/201 |
| 03:58.54 | starseeker | winces recalling how his last attempt to setup a LAMP environment went... |
| 03:59.39 | brlcad | as well as http://drupal.org/project/book_import_export of coruse .. it might do the trick outright now |
| 03:59.54 | brlcad | though I entirely expect that code will need to be written to make it work |
| 04:00.04 | starseeker | nods. |
| 04:00.05 | brlcad | just might get lucky with someone starting things though |
| 04:00.31 | starseeker | I might do some work on the machine here tomorrow - that way anything truly destructive is confined to this box |
| 04:01.07 | starseeker | needs to just take the damn bull by the horns and make this work |
| 04:02.42 | starseeker | blinks - I didn't realize book import/export was supposed to replace the specific docbook export module |
| 04:05.00 | starseeker | that may help |
| 04:07.38 | starseeker | doggone it... |
| 04:07.49 | starseeker | gets php recompiling and grabs a few winks... |
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| 09:47.09 | mafm | hi pplz |
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| 12:06.00 | brlcad | howdy mafm |
| 12:20.46 | mafm | I do cool |
| 12:21.03 | mafm | refrigerated by 3 giant UPSs |
| 12:21.08 | mafm | bringing me a nice flu |
| 12:29.11 | brlcad | heh, fun |
| 12:34.38 | mafm | 700TB of storage and not a single disk for p2p, that's not fair! |
| 12:36.12 | mafm | the internet is for pr0n, after all |
| 12:36.39 | clock_ | pr0n and spam |
| 12:42.33 | brlcad | mafm: that's a decent size data store, so where are you at? :) |
| 12:43.04 | mafm | that's a new datacenter to be used for grid projects |
| 12:43.17 | clock_ | p0rn grid? |
| 12:43.19 | mafm | to calculate the size of the new black hole from LHC and things like that |
| 12:53.16 | mafm | and 112 blade servers with 8 cores each and 24/32 GB of RAM |
| 12:53.31 | mafm | I guess that somebody would make decent animations with that |
| 13:04.54 | clock_ | The nature has so many mysteries |
| 13:05.09 | clock_ | Like the one I want to know is does the BF998 transistor still have 1/f noise at 1 MHz? |
| 13:09.47 | ``Erik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19s4PCaQ5Mk |
| 13:15.46 | mafm | be back later |
| 13:15.52 | ``Erik | hasta la pasta |
| 13:16.10 | mafm | something like that, yep :) |
| 13:40.21 | starseeker | pfft - the book_import_docbook.module file is empty |
| 13:41.32 | ``Erik | sucks to be you |
| 13:49.48 | brlcad | maybe it's a "Choose Your Own Adventure" module |
| 13:50.00 | starseeker | heh |
| 13:50.30 | starseeker | falls back on the last resort - "when all else fails, read the docs" |
| 13:51.07 | starseeker | brlcad: I take it we're staying with Drupal 5 for a while? |
| 13:51.43 | ``Erik | um, the new machine has 6.6 |
| 13:52.21 | starseeker | blinks - this one has 5.7 according to the changelog |
| 13:52.34 | ``Erik | bz.bzflag.bz is the old one |
| 13:53.37 | ``Erik | brlcad last logged into the new one about a year ago, otherwise I've been the only one touching it :) |
| 14:07.49 | brlcad | starseeker: we could update to 6, but at the time nobody had upgraded the ldap module |
| 14:17.05 | starseeker | OK |
| 14:17.53 | starseeker | is also poking at mediawiki - there's an extension to allow iframes, which might come in handy for throwing up the html output of an xsltproc conversion |
| 14:19.09 | starseeker | yeah, ldap for v6 is still on Aug. 12 alpha2 release |
| 14:21.51 | louipc | down with frames! |
| 14:22.31 | starseeker | louipc: In this case it's a convenient solution - xsltproc will give me a complete html page, which I then need to display as a "view" inside another page |
| 14:22.47 | starseeker | er "preview" rather |
| 14:27.57 | louipc | yeah they make it 10 times easier. damn them! |
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| 14:34.25 | clock_ | 999999/win 11 |
| 14:50.29 | mafm | ? |
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| 16:44.01 | brlcad | howdy pacman87 |
| 16:51.04 | mafm | brlcad: do you know of a simple, right way to format strings when you have to print size_t and the like? |
| 16:51.22 | mafm | the compiler emits warnings, depending on your coomputer architecture |
| 17:29.42 | ``Erik | would %p be right for you? |
| 17:30.45 | mafm | nope, it's %zu |
| 17:33.12 | ``Erik | ahhh, new c99 toys |
| 17:53.16 | mafm | :) |
| 17:54.06 | mafm | I don't know why they don't have fixed size data in all platforms since the beginning, even if for size_t was probably not an option |
| 17:54.46 | ``Erik | they did in the beginning |
| 17:54.55 | ``Erik | you could choose a pdp7, pdp8, pdp9, or pdp11 |
| 17:56.41 | mafm | what do you mean? |
| 17:57.52 | mafm | I mean to use "int32_t" instead of having "int", with different sizes in each platform |
| 17:58.50 | ``Erik | C was written as a kernel language for the pdp-7, it wasn't intended for portable applications :) so "in the beginning" was a radically different place |
| 17:59.10 | ``Erik | why use int18_t when all ints are int18_t ? |
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| 18:05.32 | archivist | which reminds me In the beginning there was data. The data was without form and null, |
| 18:05.32 | archivist | > and darkness was upon the face of the console; and the Spirit of IBM |
| 18:05.32 | archivist | > was moving over the face of the market. And DEC said, "Let there be |
| 18:05.32 | archivist | > registers"; and there were registers |
| 18:06.03 | archivist | cant find the full one at the moment |
| 18:07.03 | ``Erik | heh, geekenis 0x01:0x01 ? |
| 18:07.18 | archivist | found it http://www.humournet.com/misc.humour/creation.txt |
| 18:07.33 | mafm | dunno about the beginnings, but now it's really inconvenient |
| 18:08.15 | archivist | get used to it, chips are always changing size |
| 18:12.26 | mafm | :) |
| 18:12.30 | mafm | I go now, take care |
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| 19:36.27 | starseeker | Oh my, a CNC carved pumpkin |
| 19:36.32 | starseeker | that's just wrong |
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| 20:20.53 | brlcad | starseeker: oops, I suspect you ran a grep to find the implementations? |
| 20:21.02 | brlcad | (looking at the table you sent) |
| 20:21.37 | brlcad | alas, a lot of them are empty, so you actually have to look at the implementation to see if they're non-empty |
| 20:21.43 | starseeker | sort of |
| 20:21.44 | starseeker | ah |
| 20:21.53 | starseeker | I caught a few empty ones |
| 20:22.06 | starseeker | I was looking for prim_tess |
| 20:22.19 | brlcad | and nmg isn't the right routine I think |
| 20:22.28 | brlcad | it's the _nurb routine |
| 20:22.31 | brlcad | misspoke |
| 20:22.47 | starseeker | erm |
| 20:22.47 | brlcad | (nurbs are nmgs, just not the other way around) |
| 20:23.23 | starseeker | judging by the svn logs, Ben did three primitives with the new opennurbs logic |
| 20:23.33 | brlcad | thinks a matrix of all the callbacks is in order sometime soon, would make a good todo list |
| 20:23.37 | brlcad | s/list/chart/ |
| 20:23.45 | starseeker | agrees |
| 20:24.20 | starseeker | I was assuming a tesselation routine ment NMG, but that's probably not right? |
| 20:25.57 | starseeker | _nurb matches only in tgc and sketch, aside from bspline and nmg... |
| 20:26.12 | starseeker | oh, ell too |
| 20:27.34 | brlcad | note that may are subtyped -- sph is an ell, rec is a tgc, etc |
| 20:27.46 | starseeker | Ah |
| 20:36.26 | starseeker | will try again |
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| 21:58.08 | brlcad | updates and ponders a release |
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