| 00:23.03 | ``Erik | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/29/ted-2008-crow-vendin.html skeers me |
| 01:02.28 | mafm | night |
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| 02:17.40 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.58 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i still need to see it |
| 02:19.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i was not one of the 92.4 million that watched the game |
| 02:19.47 | Dr_Phreakenstein | anyone else having trouble starting archer? |
| 02:20.01 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1899103 |
| 02:20.24 | brlcad | Dr_Phreakenstein: works here |
| 02:20.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks, both |
| 02:21.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | probably my bad installation |
| 02:21.47 | brlcad | that was one of the best sb commercials |
| 02:22.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | recompiling, brb |
| 02:25.31 | ``Erik | "chinlone: a new sport that's like soccer, only interesting." hehehe |
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| 02:47.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i don't suppose that originated in, say, china |
| 02:55.20 | ``Erik | burma, apparently |
| 02:57.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | eh, close (sorta) |
| 03:06.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | archer gives: |
| 03:06.16 | Dr_Phreakenstein | unknown option "-menu" |
| 03:06.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | then tells me that the error is unexpected, aborting |
| 03:07.34 | ``Erik | hm, did you build with --enable-all ? |
| 03:10.04 | Dr_Phreakenstein | make clean;CFLAGS="-O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -msse3 -mmmx -m3dnow -pipe -march=opteron -w" CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" ./configure --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --enable-64bit-build --enable-optimized --disable-debug --prefix=/usr/local --with-gnu-ld ;make -iks --no-print-directory;make html-recursive; make install |
| 03:10.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no |
| 03:10.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | are any of those options problematic? |
| 03:10.30 | ``Erik | it may be that archer is using features added after your version of tk |
| 03:11.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tk ver 8.5.6 |
| 03:11.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | should i retry with internal tk? |
| 03:11.44 | ``Erik | um, possibly, we have a tuned set of optimizations, --enable-optimized should be used instead of that CFLAGS stuff (there might be conflicts), and --build should theoretically be left to do its own |
| 03:12.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | does -optimized find my processor type (-march) |
| 03:12.25 | ``Erik | --with-gnu-ld would be assume, and I believe --enable-optimized insinuates --disbale-debug |
| 03:12.45 | ``Erik | it finds a good enough match based on what the skeery weird shit we do is :D |
| 03:12.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fair enough |
| 03:13.10 | ``Erik | the general rule is "when it don't work right, just do "./configure --enable-all --prefix=wherever" |
| 03:13.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | can i use parallel make (-j 17) |
| 03:13.20 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 03:13.40 | ``Erik | and we have a 'fast' build rule that helps if you have more than 8 or so cores |
| 03:13.45 | ``Erik | make -j23 fast |
| 03:14.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i only have dual-proc, dual core, and i am using a new kde, so i need some processor left ;) |
| 03:14.31 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:14.44 | ``Erik | so the fast rule won't benefit you :D |
| 03:14.48 | ``Erik | nice make -j3 |
| 03:14.49 | ``Erik | :D |
| 03:14.51 | brlcad | 8.5.6 should be fine, but it's an easy enough recompile to make sure .. suspect it's just something minor |
| 03:15.30 | Dr_Phreakenstein | probably, seems to be someting with bwish, if i followed strace correctly |
| 03:15.37 | ``Erik | ya didn't show up today, brlcad :) the tl was wondering where you were, and ya missed korean |
| 03:15.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | it made a 10 meg trace, so you can only read that in so much depth |
| 03:15.49 | brlcad | i sent him e-mail |
| 03:16.20 | brlcad | repairs yesterday went till 3am, didn't get going until late |
| 03:16.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | email tubes clogged, valve shut off |
| 03:16.36 | ``Erik | eck (repairs?) |
| 03:23.05 | brlcad | floor joists on the main floor -- a series of repairs made during sale were done very poorly |
| 03:23.20 | brlcad | now it's outstanding, the guy that came to work on them was phenomenal |
| 03:23.25 | ``Erik | ah, cool |
| 03:23.38 | ``Erik | needs to try calling the guy to fix his front woodwork again :/ |
| 03:24.35 | ``Erik | (try calling him again, fix it again) |
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| 03:52.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | Erik: hope he is better than the Iraqi carpenters we found |
| 03:52.43 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they used wood screws, and pounded them in with a hammer |
| 03:54.27 | brlcad | hah |
| 03:55.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if that was the only problem, i could forgive them, but they were slow, flakey, expensive, and the language barrier did not help |
| 03:56.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | finished work was sub-par at best |
| 03:56.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in their defense, wood is not the material of choice over there, so they as a whole had little experience, and less to work with |
| 03:57.23 | Dr_Phreakenstein | here, every 9-year old boy knows how to hammer nails, and use a tape measure, at least a little bit |
| 03:57.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | "helping" dad with some honey-dos and a tree fort |
| 03:58.18 | Dr_Phreakenstein | perhaps excepting urban apartment dwellers |
| 04:29.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | oops.... make distclean foo-barred my brlcad sources. probably something i did |
| 05:11.21 | Dr_Phreakenstein | ok, ran into error running make test |
| 05:11.40 | Dr_Phreakenstein | this may be why i stoppped using internal tcl |
| 05:13.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | question: |
| 05:14.10 | Dr_Phreakenstein | if i use internal tcl/tk, where can i put brlcad specific init.tcl? |
| 05:15.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | or, more specifically, how do i point brlcad components to a different init.tcl file |
| 05:25.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | fixed it |
| 05:25.42 | Dr_Phreakenstein | gotta make install *before* make test |
| 05:45.42 | brlcad | ah, yes .. make test has lots of limitations |
| 05:46.17 | brlcad | has to be installed, maybe requires an in-place build iirc too |
| 05:57.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | back to same -menu error after recommended options |
| 05:57.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | something in tcl |
| 05:58.22 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am looking at my environment to see how it is (likely) clobbering brlcad's local tcl install |
| 05:58.31 | Dr_Phreakenstein | by tcl i mean tcl/tk |
| 05:58.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | , itk, and friends |
| 06:01.39 | brlcad | where are you installing to? the default path? |
| 06:02.00 | brlcad | ah, /usr/local |
| 06:04.14 | brlcad | was going to say that it's very unlikely that it'd be an environment issue, unless you're mixing into a dir with existing tcl data |
| 06:04.45 | brlcad | still seems unlikely to me (more likely just a simple, maybe recent, bug in archer) |
| 06:05.34 | brlcad | easy enough test if you really want to test it would be to install into /usr/brlcad |
| 06:05.43 | brlcad | (i.e., the configure default) |
| 06:08.37 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how do i tell it to go to /usr/local/brlcad? have tried in past, with no success (trying to keep /usr uncluttered, no luck) |
| 06:09.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | wait- that may have been the ebuild that i made (gentoo install file) that could not do it |
| 06:10.01 | Dr_Phreakenstein | trying now... |
| 06:11.25 | Dr_Phreakenstein | by chance, does brlcad look at an environment variable named TCL_LIBRARY |
| 06:11.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i have that, set by something else, to 8.4 |
| 06:13.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, TCLHOME, TCLLIBPATH, ITCL_LIBRARY, ITK_LIBRARY |
| 06:15.49 | Dr_Phreakenstein | brlcad: are you on the east coast? |
| 06:20.55 | brlcad | --prefix=/usr/local/brlcad |
| 06:21.07 | Dr_Phreakenstein | more directly, do you ever sleep? you are tremendously helpful, about 22 hrs/day |
| 06:21.22 | brlcad | it will obey the various tcl/tk _LIBRARY variables, but you shouldn't need to set them |
| 06:21.50 | brlcad | thanks, trying to get it up to 25 hours a day |
| 06:21.51 | Dr_Phreakenstein | iow, if they are set wrong, i should clear them, no? |
| 06:22.01 | brlcad | oh absolutely |
| 06:22.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | look into something called polyphasic sleep |
| 06:22.12 | brlcad | they will override on pretty much every version of tcl |
| 06:23.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | in a nutshell, trains your body to achieve REM in less time |
| 06:23.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sleep 20 minutes, wake for 3 hrs 40 minutes |
| 06:23.15 | Dr_Phreakenstein | total of 3 hrs sleep per night |
| 06:23.24 | brlcad | i've actually done that for short stints |
| 06:23.29 | brlcad | weekends screw it up though |
| 06:23.32 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they call it the uber-hacker schedule |
| 06:23.33 | Dr_Phreakenstein | yep |
| 06:23.59 | brlcad | as well as long coding stints |
| 06:24.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, interactions with humans in "meatspace" can make it less practical |
| 06:24.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | as in, you are awake all the time, but can only talk to people, go to store, etc, certain times of the day |
| 06:24.56 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i am considering it, how did it work for you? |
| 06:25.06 | Dr_Phreakenstein | besides above mentioned |
| 06:25.07 | brlcad | yeah, that already sucks to varying degrees with how I sleep/work now |
| 06:25.13 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 06:25.16 | brlcad | there are upsides too though |
| 06:25.39 | brlcad | I moved into the city party because of that same issue actually, more things open much much later |
| 06:25.46 | Dr_Phreakenstein | did sig-other think you were insane? |
| 06:25.48 | Dr_Phreakenstein | true |
| 06:26.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | i live in mid-smallish town (~40k ppl) |
| 06:26.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | half of me wants to live in a loft above telco, |
| 06:26.50 | Dr_Phreakenstein | other half wants to be hermit in woods |
| 06:27.09 | brlcad | I find it easier to just sleep 3-5 hours a day, a lot easier to sustain than powernapping all the time |
| 06:27.37 | brlcad | particularly with a work schedule where folks are calling and stopping by when you'd be needing to nap |
| 06:28.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | loft would be downtown portland, OR, over fictitious telco( there are none dt witha loft ovre them, and I could get u-DSL at 40 megs |
| 06:28.54 | brlcad | downtown portland sounds hella fun |
| 06:29.03 | Dr_Phreakenstein | have you been? |
| 06:29.06 | brlcad | nope |
| 06:29.17 | Dr_Phreakenstein | nothing like it |
| 06:29.20 | brlcad | had a buddy that lived there for a couple years |
| 06:29.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | how did they make him leave? |
| 06:29.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | tow cable in front, fire behind? |
| 06:30.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:30.25 | brlcad | job changed iirc, found a great job out east |
| 06:30.34 | Dr_Phreakenstein | no job is that good |
| 06:30.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | rather starve in stumptown, than succeed anywhere else |
| 06:31.20 | Dr_Phreakenstein | stumptown, pdx, city of roses |
| 06:31.23 | brlcad | :) |
| 06:32.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | downside is crazy laws, and nearly communist ideas everywhere, creaping into legislation |
| 06:32.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they want to install box in cars, charge by mile |
| 06:33.05 | brlcad | they've talked about doing that out here too |
| 06:33.12 | Dr_Phreakenstein | we actually have an (by comparison) active communist party, and green party |
| 06:33.24 | Dr_Phreakenstein | small problem; |
| 06:33.27 | Dr_Phreakenstein | hackers |
| 06:34.11 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, it shoots self in foot by discouraging better fuel mileage the way gas tax does |
| 06:34.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | and... with rising energy rates/demand, they want to actually *destroy* our hydro power |
| 06:35.09 | Dr_Phreakenstein | literally demolish dams |
| 06:35.19 | Dr_Phreakenstein | they forget that will flood portland |
| 06:35.31 | brlcad | that's a longer topic for another day :) |
| 06:35.39 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but it will save 4000 fish |
| 06:35.53 | brlcad | is compelled to get a lil more code done before naptime |
| 06:35.55 | Dr_Phreakenstein | sorry, fresh fury still here |
| 06:36.21 | brlcad | can tell |
| 06:36.26 | Dr_Phreakenstein | still compiling, will keep posted of progress |
| 06:36.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
| 06:36.46 | brlcad | good luck on the compiling -- here as usual and will respond eventually if you have details |
| 06:36.59 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks |
| 06:37.29 | Dr_Phreakenstein | also, you are welcome here anytime you would like to venture out west |
| 06:37.45 | brlcad | for testing, you shouldn't have any env vars set that would override runtime behavior including all the *_LIBRARY* vars |
| 06:37.57 | Dr_Phreakenstein | k |
| 06:40.26 | brlcad | be sure to read the INSTALL file if you haven't yet (along with the README and doc/README*) |
| 06:40.44 | brlcad | waves g'luck |
| 06:41.02 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thnx |
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| 07:23.41 | Dr_Phreakenstein | profit! |
| 07:25.35 | Dr_Phreakenstein | awww... segfault |
| 07:25.52 | Dr_Phreakenstein | but archer did work long enough to do that |
| 07:25.54 | Dr_Phreakenstein | :) |
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| 08:28.38 | Dr_Phreakenstein | thanks for help brlcad and Erik |
| 08:29.53 | Dr_Phreakenstein | (entering biphasic sleep mode, suspending operations) |
| 09:13.01 | ruskie | decides to not bother with separating utah... to much pain... |
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| 12:04.34 | d-lo | Morning all! *Reads Backlog* |
| 12:04.57 | d-lo | heard the superbowl commercials were sub-par this year :/ |
| 12:05.57 | d-lo | Heh, I'll walk to work before I have to pay a black box. Sounds like a move by the Cabbie Party. |
| 12:07.19 | d-lo | As a former Nuclear Engineer, I can understand the frustration with fish clogging up pumps, pipes and strainers. The answer, however, is not to remove the power plant... its to sharpen the blades on the pump impeller :) |
| 12:08.29 | d-lo | Anyone: Any Fedora Core users here? Can they speak to the Pros and Cons of the OS? |
| 12:13.23 | appletizer | fedora? |
| 12:13.28 | appletizer | it's good :) |
| 12:13.34 | appletizer | centos is better though |
| 12:13.39 | appletizer | fedora is considered legacy |
| 12:14.09 | archivist | selinux bites a few |
| 12:14.21 | d-lo | Well I was checking out the FC10 VMware appliance last night.... gotta admit, the KDE looks *a lot* like Vista... dunno how I feel about that :/ |
| 12:14.45 | d-lo | appletizer: Why, in your opinion, is centos > fedora? |
| 12:14.56 | appletizer | depends on your goals |
| 12:15.11 | appletizer | for server type goals, centos provides better stability |
| 12:15.22 | d-lo | Workstation stuff. |
| 12:15.41 | appletizer | for workstation, then people tend to use fedora |
| 12:16.04 | appletizer | fedora has more bleeding edge packages |
| 12:16.13 | archivist | uses ubuntu due to EMC2 |
| 12:16.27 | d-lo | Trying to make a smart decision as to which OS i am going to use... don't feel like reinstalling/reconfiguring more than once. |
| 12:17.13 | appletizer | hehe honestly it doesn't really matter |
| 12:17.54 | d-lo | It kinda does, since each flavor has its own quirks, features and pitfalls. |
| 12:18.05 | appletizer | yeah that's what fuel unnecessary distro wars |
| 12:18.52 | appletizer | but there's always a shift in distro popularity anyway |
| 12:18.58 | appletizer | it used to be redhat once upon a time |
| 12:19.01 | appletizer | now it's ubuntu |
| 12:19.23 | d-lo | heh, not after popular :) If anything, I am anti-trendy. |
| 12:19.33 | d-lo | Its the 'Underdog complex' I suppose :) |
| 12:19.52 | appletizer | hehe underdog could be useful |
| 12:20.02 | appletizer | in that you're less exposed to malicious codings |
| 12:20.12 | appletizer | but the downside of that is you get less userbase exposure |
| 12:20.30 | d-lo | True enough. |
| 12:21.12 | appletizer | as long as you're using one of the more popular distros, you're fine :) anywhere between centos, fedora, rhel and ubuntu |
| 12:21.21 | archivist | I use ubuntu only because the EMC2 devs use that for the RTAT realtime, makes it easy for me to do cnc |
| 12:21.25 | appletizer | oh and freebsd/openbsd of course :) |
| 12:21.29 | archivist | RTAI |
| 12:22.52 | _sushi_ | !calc 2+3 |
| 12:23.06 | appletizer | if you prefer underdogs, nimblex or wolvix could be useful |
| 12:23.07 | appletizer | :P |
| 12:23.13 | appletizer | they're like among the least populars |
| 12:23.14 | appletizer | haha |
| 12:24.00 | d-lo | heh, and that gets back to my criteria of 'make a smart choice' :P |
| 12:25.10 | d-lo | spins some Prodigy. Good stuff. |
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| 12:37.12 | Defcon- | d-lo, do you remember the video of One Love |
| 12:37.26 | Defcon- | i'm still wondering how long it took to render it back then :) |
| 12:37.33 | Defcon- | *than |
| 12:39.27 | d-lo | artist? |
| 12:40.59 | Defcon- | prodigy |
| 12:41.00 | Defcon- | :p |
| 12:41.15 | d-lo | don't think I ever saw the video :/ |
| 12:41.28 | Defcon- | :) |
| 12:41.31 | Defcon- | it's on youtube |
| 12:42.11 | d-lo | didn't have cable/mtv/vh1/highspeed internet till he was out of highschool :/ |
| 12:42.27 | d-lo | I missed a bunch of videos. |
| 12:43.00 | Defcon- | :) |
| 12:46.45 | d-lo | Defcon-: Heh, I feel bad for not recognizing the song by title. Thats one of my al time fav movies... as horrible as it was. lol |
| 12:52.11 | Defcon- | haha, it's ok :) |
| 12:53.08 | Defcon- | everybody is allowed to forgot the |
| 12:53.16 | Defcon- | everybody is allowed to forgot the Prodigy once.. |
| 13:08.47 | brlquestions | hello again, another question ... |
| 13:09.08 | d-lo | turns off the lights and hides. |
| 13:09.11 | d-lo | ;) |
| 13:09.26 | brlquestions | is there some way to sketch bezier passing closer to control points in BRL CAD ? |
| 13:11.32 | brlquestions | I converted the whole sketch on a single closed bezier that renders well on qcad after writing it by means of libdime |
| 13:12.01 | brlquestions | the problem is that bezier primitive in BRLCAD's sketch API rounds my corners too much ... |
| 13:12.21 | brlquestions | (sorry single closed NURBS or whatever ...) |
| 13:25.47 | d-lo | brlquestions: Gonna have to defer that to someone more knowledgeable than me :/ sorry! |
| 13:25.58 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33651 10/rt^3/trunk/ (13 files in 5 dirs): Updated NetMsg and subclasses to use DataStream. Updated netMsgSerialTest. |
| 13:27.22 | brlquestions | OK, thanks ... suppose there's some representation problem dealing with libdime specs, qcad NURBS splines and bezier primitive in BRLCAD |
| 13:40.15 | brlcad | brlquestions: you can always add more control points, but I suspect the issue eis a translation problem |
| 13:42.51 | brlcad | either a bezier getting imported as a sketch incorrectly via dxf-g (remember, that is "brand new" code to bring in the 2D entities) or an entity getting imported with params for the wrong type of curve (like making a bspline as a bezier curve and vice versa) |
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| 13:45.30 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33652 10/jbrlcad/trunk/ (14 files in 4 dirs): Modifications to make jBrlcad compatible with other projects |
| 13:48.44 | brlcad | our sketch primitive really only supports bezier curves (though the logic for also supporting nurbs curves is pretty much done too) |
| 13:50.50 | brlcad | so I guess the question is what type of curve did you originally make with libdime, what type of curve did you end up with in the sketch, and how'd you go from dime to sketch |
| 14:03.01 | ``Erik | *readreadread* if I had to use linux, I'd probably go with ubuntu on the desktop and debian on the server |
| 14:04.09 | d-lo | ``Erik: whyso? |
| 14:06.42 | ``Erik | ubuntu has decent package management and a fairly user interface focus, debian historically has been extremely solid compared to other leenewxes |
| 14:07.03 | ``Erik | and both use apt/dpkg instead of the rpm trainwreck :D |
| 14:07.42 | ``Erik | hugs fbsd (and obsd on occasion) |
| 14:08.02 | ``Erik | I need to scrap together another machine to give solaris10 a whirl |
| 14:08.07 | d-lo | Well, for me, 'RPM' has a place in my heart.... for neigh to 9 years, it stood for Reactor Plant Manual... the bane of my existance >8-( |
| 14:08.41 | ``Erik | heh, 'redhat package manager'.. 'really putrid muck', whatever :D |
| 14:09.22 | ``Erik | it's far easier to make an rpm than a dpkg, it's far easier to use a dpkg than an rpm :D |
| 14:09.40 | d-lo | interesting.... |
| 14:09.47 | ``Erik | im(ns)ho |
| 14:10.18 | d-lo | i figured I would get a few nsho here, so its a good place to ask ;) |
| 14:10.29 | d-lo | brlcad: How are those repairs going? |
| 14:13.03 | brlquestions | thank you very much brlcad ... I have to learn a lot of three dee modeling !!! thanks again for your help ! |
| 14:23.23 | ``Erik | heh, for some reason, my brain parsed /jbrlcad/trunk as "brlcad junk" O.o |
| 14:23.40 | d-lo | jyou're just not jused to speaking jjava speak ;) |
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| 14:32.00 | ``Erik | heh, 'jjava', even brief periods of java development are so traumatic, you develop uncontrollable stuttering? ;) |
| 14:32.48 | d-lo | jI don't jknow what joo are jtalking about.... |
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| 15:08.53 | brlcad | wanders about but won't be going to lunch |
| 15:08.54 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33653 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/adrt.h: macro to turn network opcodes into human readable names |
| 15:09.14 | ``Erik | how very odd, "svn commit file.h" failed, but "svn commit ./file.h" succeeded |
| 15:09.25 | brlcad | serverage funness |
| 15:09.33 | brlcad | probably would have worked just a second time |
| 15:09.50 | ``Erik | failed many times in a row, tried removing and restoring the file, reapplying the changes, same failure |
| 15:10.03 | ``Erik | perhaps smething about symlinks and nfs mounts confuzzled svn |
| 15:10.03 | brlcad | what was the error? |
| 15:10.53 | ``Erik | beh, lost the backlog, was something about not being able to find .svn/text-base/adrt.h.adrt.h.svn-base |
| 15:10.58 | ``Erik | (which existed) |
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| 15:11.59 | brlcad | huh, that is odd |
| 15:12.08 | brlcad | likes the nfs theory |
| 15:16.53 | ``Erik | suddenly remembers why he had gtk installed on that machine. *sigh* *compile* |
| 15:21.53 | brlcad | fwiw, not going to lunch |
| 15:31.56 | ``Erik | so I've heard :D |
| 15:31.59 | ``Erik | big breakfast? |
| 15:32.18 | brlcad | no, just busy |
| 15:32.46 | ``Erik | aren't we all? :D which'll happen first, release or migration? |
| 15:33.01 | brlcad | no, definitely not all |
| 15:34.41 | ``Erik | ah, gtk is done compiling, autoreconf can now occur |
| 15:41.19 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33654 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/libutil/: empty dir |
| 15:49.24 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r33655 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/mged/ (font.tcl openw.tcl): This fixes a bug that was breaking the font preferences panel (i.e. it's init routine was not getting called if a .mgedrc file was present). |
| 15:51.36 | mafm | hi |
| 15:51.44 | d-lo | hai mafm ! |
| 17:16.02 | brlquestions | Hello again ... what do you think about the possibility of using : |
| 17:16.06 | brlquestions | void |
| 17:16.06 | brlquestions | nurb_c_to_bezier(struct bu_list *clist, struct edge_g_cnurb *crv) |
| 17:16.29 | brlquestions | in nurb_bezier.c to change representation before sketch extrusion ... |
| 17:17.00 | brlquestions | where can I find documentation about bu_list and edge_g_cnurb structures to use it in my own code ... |
| 17:21.02 | starseeker | brlquestions: best bet is probably the code itself |
| 17:21.16 | starseeker | not sure there are any useful programmer docs for those routines |
| 17:22.02 | brlquestions | OK thanks starseeker ... anyway you now where are those structs defined ? |
| 17:22.14 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33656 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Fix couple minor issues in mged test script. |
| 17:23.11 | starseeker | check bu.h and nmg.h in brlcad/include directory |
| 17:23.36 | brlquestions | ok thanks again ! |
| 17:24.11 | brlquestions | that's it include directory :) |
| 18:23.15 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33657 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add first tests of view commands |
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| 18:33.02 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33658 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/slave.c: fix up performance info (but leave disabled for now) |
| 18:38.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33659 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add ae, center and eye_pt tests |
| 18:38.43 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33660 10/rt^3/trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): More cleanup on DataStream, NetMsg & Subs, and GeometryService |
| 18:50.37 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33661 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/gsph0_Test.java: Adding groundwork for a simple cross language test. |
| 19:31.25 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33662 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: use vmath.h |
| 19:32.04 | brlcad | mmm.. buzzing with activity, nice |
| 19:33.11 | brlcad | that conversion using the old brep routine might work, but the data containers are wrong dimension (I think) |
| 19:33.32 | brlcad | I believe that takes a nurbs surface and turns it into a set of bezier patches |
| 19:34.14 | brlcad | which means he's on the right track, and might be able to make that routine or one similar work, but it'd be better to fix sketch nurbs curve support |
| 19:34.50 | d-lo | buzzes. |
| 19:49.04 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33663 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/normal.c: use vmath |
| 19:49.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33664 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/phong.c: irrelevant structural changes |
| 19:51.27 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * r33665 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librtserver/rtserver.c: Modified to use the classes in jbrlcad |
| 19:52.30 | brlcad | you too? my phone's been buzzing all day |
| 19:52.40 | brlcad | buzzes when a commit is made |
| 19:53.11 | brlcad | oh wow.. librtserver is no longer stand-alone |
| 19:53.11 | brlcad | hrm |
| 19:53.38 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33666 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add a few more view commands |
| 19:54.18 | starseeker | erm, wait a minute - does that mean brlcad now depends on jbrlcad to build?? |
| 19:58.25 | ``Erik | only librtserver |
| 19:58.38 | ``Erik | which is a JNI stub monstrosity |
| 19:59.24 | starseeker | right, but my point is would a garden variety build hault on librtserver now? |
| 20:00.12 | ``Erik | uhm, I'd have to look at the change, but I BELIEVE that the jni asks for classes via strings, and he updated the classnames... so it should build just fine, you just have to define the symbols to be able to require it into a jvm |
| 20:01.57 | ``Erik | yeah, he just changed the values of some string constants to say "org/brlcad/numerics" instead of "mil/army/muvs/sim/math" |
| 20:01.59 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, no -- but you would have to have jbrlcad to *use* librtserver |
| 20:02.15 | starseeker | ok |
| 20:02.17 | ``Erik | (previously, you needed MUVE-3 to use librtserver) |
| 20:03.23 | brlcad | it's a todo item to update the src/java portions to be all org/brlcad if they're not already |
| 20:03.39 | brlcad | dont' recall if john did that already |
| 20:04.29 | brlcad | long-term, it'll make sense to either merge in jbrlcad (if it's used a lot more, or at least the pieces required by librtserver), or move src/java over into jbrlcad |
| 20:04.49 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33667 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/component.c: minor formatting and elimination of superfluous temporary variable |
| 20:05.12 | brlcad | shakes fist at not having a graphical console on cad |
| 20:05.15 | ``Erik | votes move to jbrlcad, so'z we can have a clbrlcad, pybrlcad, etc :D |
| 20:05.28 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:05.50 | brlcad | have I ever mentioned how much I hate language prefixes on project names? :) |
| 20:05.54 | starseeker | clbrlcad - for... mind bending designs :-) |
| 20:06.05 | ``Erik | yeah, but they do it |
| 20:06.23 | brlcad | geeks are horrible at internalizing a name, using implementation to name |
| 20:06.30 | d-lo | its l33t and you know you like it. |
| 20:07.03 | ``Erik | $ ls ~/src/macports/dports/python/py* | wc -l |
| 20:07.03 | ``Erik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.08 | brlcad | it's a long winded bikeshed discussion on usability, branding, marketing, and readability :) |
| 20:08.28 | ``Erik | names suck :D "wtf is a 'maven'? oh, you mean plwwwfm, I see" hehehe |
| 20:08.29 | brlcad | yeah, python folks are some of the worst at it, php and java too |
| 20:08.52 | ``Erik | 'boost'? is that an energy drink? :D |
| 20:09.18 | brlcad | maven's at least a 'word' and can be pronounced fairly unambiguously |
| 20:09.30 | ``Erik | </smartass> time to ponder code |
| 20:10.02 | brlcad | it only stops mattering if your project gets so popular that the prefix is no longer a prefix and it's a popularly recognized trademark on it's own |
| 20:10.07 | brlcad | like "jboss" |
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| 20:11.03 | brlcad | stops ranting and returns to hammering on the server |
| 20:11.57 | d-lo | It will probably go quicker if you use jHammer, iHammer or mcHammer. |
| 20:12.07 | d-lo | :D |
| 20:12.13 | starseeker | mcHammer is overrated |
| 20:12.49 | d-lo | Especially since 'You Can't Touch' it |
| 20:12.55 | starseeker | prefers the flexibility o cl-Hammer, the only hammer that can hammer itself |
| 20:15.06 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r33668 10/brlcad/trunk/regress/mged_test.sh: Add view version of sca to testing |
| 20:19.38 | ``Erik | heh |
| 20:20.06 | ``Erik | erHammer and mlHammer can be fun |
| 20:20.39 | ``Erik | (but clHammer and scmHammer are the only ones that can deal with screws elegantly) |
| 20:21.27 | brlcad | starseeker: press isn't so much tied to the graphics as the graphics is tied to press |
| 20:22.24 | starseeker | brlcad: sorry, wasn't clear - trying to select an arb face to rotate strictly from the command line doesn't seem to be workable even with press |
| 20:22.27 | brlcad | press is a very old command, so you could press buttons on the overlay menu when you didn't have an input device |
| 20:22.54 | brlcad | if it's doable from the gui, it should be doable on the command line |
| 20:23.09 | brlcad | it's just rather unexpected as to how it works |
| 20:23.40 | starseeker | after all the pressing it pops up a GUI asking for a vertex to rotate around, and press doesn't seem to hit the OK in the dialog |
| 20:23.44 | brlcad | like if you wanted to select a face, it's something like: press "Edit Face 1234" |
| 20:24.08 | brlcad | sounds like the wrong press string |
| 20:24.53 | brlcad | that pop-up dialog would be something like CMD_MORE with typein where it prompts if there is an incomplete action |
| 20:25.05 | starseeker | mutters under his breath about archane user interface interaction techniques... |
| 20:25.29 | brlcad | it's a lot more intuitive if you turn on faceplate mode |
| 20:25.37 | starseeker | brlcad: ah |
| 20:25.46 | brlcad | the things you can press and the strings you can specify are usually directly spelled out there |
| 20:26.32 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.35 | starseeker | Is it worth all that just for eqn in the context of arb rotation? |
| 20:28.27 | starseeker | I suppose it's a more general issue for testing graphical mged functionality in the end... |
| 20:28.41 | brlcad | it it worth you understanding the details of how press works, probably :) |
| 20:28.51 | brlcad | for eqn, of course not |
| 20:29.01 | starseeker | growl... |
| 20:29.19 | starseeker | OK, I'll figure it out once I'm done grabbing low hanging fruit for testing |
| 20:29.46 | brlcad | that's a common (simple) command that is very useful in many contexts (particularly for users that want to script) |
| 20:29.56 | starseeker | wonders how to deal with testing the commands that flip up an editor... |
| 20:30.15 | brlcad | 'accept' and 'reject' for example are really just aliases for "press accept" and "press reject" |
| 20:30.53 | brlcad | notes the sore lack of "apply" that would be good to have so long as we have the modality |
| 20:31.19 | brlcad | starseeker: set EDITOR to something scriptable |
| 20:31.25 | starseeker | wants reset to work in the editing context as well as press reset, but supposes it conflicts with something... |
| 20:31.26 | brlcad | like 'cat' |
| 20:31.29 | starseeker | heh |
| 20:31.38 | brlcad | "reset" is also missing |
| 20:32.00 | starseeker | thought it was a libged bug at first when reset didn't work... |
| 20:32.46 | brlcad | there are other EDITOR tricks you can use -- just depends on the command being tested |
| 20:34.34 | starseeker | wonders where the pink pen on his desk came from... |
| 20:35.41 | starseeker | alright, time for fizzy energy drink of some kind... |
| 20:37.01 | brlcad | mm. fizzy blue bawls |
| 20:37.25 | brlcad | haven't had that much caffeine in a long while |
| 20:55.05 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33669 10/rt^3/trunk/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Minor adjustments, bugfixes and tweaks. |
| 20:56.17 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r33670 10/rt^3/trunk/src/tests/ (. gsph0_Test.java java/ java/gsph0_Test.java): Small directory organization change. More work on the test for 'phase-0' GeometryServer. |
| 20:56.33 | d-lo | Whelp... cyas all tomarrow. |
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| 21:07.43 | brlcad | dya d-lo |
| 22:06.07 | CIA-32 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r33671 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/slave/slave.c: fix component view |
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