| 03:52.19 | starseeker | <snort> 12 hours on the tread, and it gives me one set around the tire (out of seven or eight) |
| 03:54.32 | starseeker | just that one was 180k |
| 03:57.30 | starseeker | if it had done the whole thing it would probably be ~1 meg |
| 03:59.53 | starseeker | at a guess, 1.4 megabytes for the tire/wheel combo |
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| 12:28.12 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 12:48.06 | brlcad | *yawn* |
| 13:09.52 | ``Erik | heh, jon lajoie |
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| 13:11.02 | ``Erik | guess some people aren't appreciative of his work O.o :D |
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| 14:50.07 | elena | hi |
| 15:16.45 | ``Erik | good morning |
| 15:23.17 | ``Erik | surpose you had access to a 4.3bsd system with an old BRL-CAD, via telnet or a web interface or something... what would you expect? |
| 15:23.45 | ``Erik | (we're talkin' vax 11/780 tuned down to actual speed here) |
| 15:38.55 | elena | @``Erik: you mentioned something about user provided information yesterday. what were you refering about? |
| 15:46.23 | ``Erik | um, your proposed plan involves the uploading agent to provide information... what if they give bad information (via either malice or incompetence) |
| 15:46.51 | ``Erik | "hey, here's a box! visit my website at http://spamfest.com" |
| 15:46.54 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:48.24 | ``Erik | I imagine the 'MoRe' notion is more about building a community with some tools to police it than a piece of software itself... if the policing part isn't defined, you risk despotism, no? |
| 15:51.16 | elena | right. |
| 15:51.37 | elena | automatic spam can be caught. |
| 15:52.02 | ``Erik | 99% of the time, yes, with only 1-2% false positive rate |
| 15:52.03 | ``Erik | :) |
| 15:52.08 | elena | manual spam will have to be reported by users. |
| 15:52.37 | elena | and dealt with like with any other "bad" user |
| 15:53.41 | elena | I haven't yet went into details with starseeker (my mentor), but we'll have to analyze the human resources we have for model administration. |
| 15:54.01 | elena | depending on that we'll decide how open/close the submission will be. |
| 15:54.16 | elena | I'd expect it to be quite open. |
| 15:55.02 | elena | the "report a problem" or the rating system will take care of penalyzing bad submissions. |
| 15:55.09 | ``Erik | my goal is to expose possible thought paths that may not be opened otherwise... *shrug* if I make you stop and think, I've succeeded :) |
| 15:55.16 | elena | what's your oppinion about that? |
| 15:55.32 | ``Erik | I kinda think your project is not really a software project, but a community project |
| 15:56.13 | ``Erik | and every community will have heroes and villians... how do you find/reward/punish those? |
| 15:57.13 | elena | like in any other open community. we rely on the comunity to spot them out :) |
| 15:57.26 | ``Erik | the "penalizing" of bad submissions and rewarding of good submissions might need some more explicit detail |
| 15:58.58 | elena | for the start, good models will get promoted. |
| 15:59.00 | ``Erik | I'm a code monkey... if you don't submit, you don't exist. if you submit bad stuff, you're a piece of shit. if you submit good stuff, eventually you get nerdpoints and people listen to you... I think you're trying to build a modeler equivelant as part of your software, I'm not sure you've addressed the fundamental aspects in your proposal yet... *shrug* I could be wrong, I'm just a code monkey |
| 15:59.01 | ``Erik | :) |
| 16:01.05 | ``Erik | are you writing a drupal plugin, or are you building a community that use a drupal plugin? I think that's the big sticker :) |
| 16:01.42 | elena | some task will need new plugins. |
| 16:01.58 | elena | like model conversions. |
| 16:02.12 | elena | other will use existing plugins, like for ratings. |
| 16:02.39 | elena | "you're a piece of ..." might also need some more explicit detail :) |
| 16:02.40 | ``Erik | of course, new communicites will need new functionality.. but I'm not asking if there needs to be new software, I'm asking what the real goal is :) |
| 16:02.44 | ``Erik | communities |
| 16:03.15 | elena | the real goal is to get a good repository. |
| 16:03.25 | elena | so we can share models. |
| 16:03.40 | elena | either good or bad. hopefully most good. |
| 16:03.56 | ``Erik | I'm not sure I agree, I think the real goal would be to generate a community that is willing and able to share models |
| 16:04.16 | ``Erik | a brilliant repository is useless if there is no community using it |
| 16:05.07 | ``Erik | *shrug* :) my opinion, of no importance... I'll help with the coding where I can and ask the ugly questions when I feel like being "that guy", but *shrug* I did my best to not be a mentor this year so I don't have to "judge" anyone |
| 16:05.20 | ``Erik | I'm just asking to get braincells firing |
| 16:05.21 | elena | true. but we already have a community. |
| 16:05.51 | ``Erik | BRL-CAD has a few disperate communities that don't seem to like the notion of unification or sharing. |
| 16:06.28 | elena | exactly! and why's that? |
| 16:07.02 | ``Erik | oh, I imagine part of that is the military nature that a significant portion of the user community (and almost all our funding) comes from |
| 16:07.13 | elena | don't worry about being "that guy". "those guys" are as helpfull as the "nice guys" :) |
| 16:07.41 | elena | :) |
| 16:07.47 | elena | you got me there. |
| 16:08.06 | elena | I can't help with that and I was thinking to another answer. |
| 16:09.19 | ``Erik | While the GSOC projects may benefit the secretive military retards, I tend to push my thinking more towards the open source side... I'd like to see an efficient and usable repo out in the real world that my secret squirrel buddies can use when appropriate... but that comes back to the issue, it's about the community, not the software :) |
| 16:10.12 | ``Erik | I've seen brilliant open source software languish due to lack of interest... and I persoanlyl feel that linux is pretty shitty, but it has a solid community, so it thrives :) |
| 16:10.50 | ``Erik | an aspect to ponder, perhaps, or just ignore *shrug* |
| 16:12.34 | elena | I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 17:33.25 | madant | ha.. the action has started already :) |
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| 20:17.50 | madant | howdy jdoliner , elena :) |
| 20:21.02 | elena | hi. |
| 20:25.17 | madant | d-lo: i shall miss you :) brlcad is my new master :D |
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| 20:31.51 | ``Erik | O.O that very may well be just a little tmi |
| 20:33.22 | madant | :D |
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| 23:49.11 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34314 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: haven't documented the other contributors (nick and myself) yet for the new points primitive, but go ahead and document richard's implementation of the 'l' command support so that pnts can be described. |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r34315 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: document the addition of the point cloud primitive (pnts) by nick and myself |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: even though it's still not quite ready for public use just yet given a few |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: callbacks still need to be implemented for basic use. this was added back |
| 23:55.18 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: during 7.12 but not documented until now due to momentum and completeness at the |
| 23:55.21 | CIA-28 | BRL-CAD: time. |