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| 02:05.01 | brlcad | Ralith: thx |
| 02:05.13 | Ralith | ? |
| 02:05.13 | brlcad | returns from the void |
| 02:05.34 | Ralith | (brlcad*) |
| 02:06.48 | brlcad | starseeker: thought you already had a link to that triming paper.. |
| 02:07.41 | brlcad | jdoliner: the .la files are "libtool archive" files that can only be linked against using 'libtool' |
| 02:08.46 | brlcad | jdoliner: the .a and/or .so files that get installed would be what you'd link against, else you should have a Makefile.am with libtool directives |
| 02:09.25 | brlcad | starseeker: nice car |
| 02:09.57 | Ralith | what's the point of a .la? |
| 02:14.03 | brlcad | thx was for the status update :) |
| 02:14.16 | Ralith | :) |
| 02:14.25 | brlcad | .la files encapsulate a lot of metadata information about how to build that library |
| 02:14.46 | brlcad | it's not a library exactly, but a set of instructions and declarations that are important to libtool |
| 02:14.50 | Ralith | ahh. |
| 02:14.56 | Ralith | so it doesn't have any object code in it. |
| 02:15.01 | brlcad | it's a text file actually, you can see the content |
| 02:15.13 | brlcad | it says what object files comprise that library |
| 02:15.19 | brlcad | what flags are required |
| 02:15.25 | brlcad | what libraries it depends on |
| 02:15.27 | brlcad | etc |
| 02:15.40 | Ralith | cool |
| 02:15.42 | brlcad | everything it might possibly need to know to portably link against that library static/shared |
| 02:15.52 | brlcad | just a sausage detail of libtool |
| 02:16.00 | Ralith | on the subject of sausages |
| 02:16.02 | Ralith | foods |
| 02:16.11 | brlcad | you can actually use libtool directly, but you invoke it instead of gcc |
| 02:16.23 | Ralith | neat |
| 02:17.40 | brlcad | e.g., this probably would have worked: libtool --mode=link gcc intersect.cpp libopenNURBS.la -o intersect |
| 02:17.51 | brlcad | assuming it had no other requirements |
| 02:19.47 | brlcad | starseeker: surprising that thing has nearly 400hp yet still only manages 0-60 in 4 and top of 171 |
| 04:00.25 | yukonbob | hello, cadheads |
| 04:00.57 | pacman87 | hi yukonbob |
| 04:02.30 | yukonbob | waves to pacman87 |
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| 11:15.02 | d-lo | Mornin all |
| 11:41.36 | brlcad | howdy |
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| 11:41.47 | d-lo | brlcad: Everything go okay? |
| 11:42.40 | brlcad | yeah, mostly good news in the sense that there wasn't immediate bad news |
| 11:43.22 | brlcad | but going to have open heart surgery in a few weeks |
| 11:44.04 | d-lo | Well, I suppose thats as good of news as one could hope for. Good to here there isn't anything immediate. |
| 11:44.23 | d-lo | I take it the docs are confident with the pending open heart surgery? |
| 11:48.32 | brlcad | that bit we don't have any info about yet |
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| 11:48.46 | brlcad | about what they plan to do exactly even |
| 11:49.11 | d-lo | ah, well here's to hoping for the best! |
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| 12:17.33 | bcsaba | Hi, I would like to read about brl-cad from develompent point of view. |
| 12:18.00 | bcsaba | can you suggest some resources? |
| 12:19.30 | bcsaba | thanks in advance |
| 12:24.05 | brlcad | bcsaba: there's a lot of various material, the HACKING file in all distributions is a decent starting point |
| 12:24.43 | brlcad | as is src/README, or just asking questions in here or on the brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 12:26.38 | bcsaba | I tried finding something on the web page for the momemnt, but I'll check these first |
| 12:27.04 | bcsaba | One question: is BRL-CAD support team working somehow? |
| 12:43.11 | brlcad | bcsaba: there is some developer stuff on the website as well, but I'd start with the HACKING file |
| 12:44.02 | brlcad | bcsaba: not sure I understand your question, support is provided here on IRC, on the forums, through the trackers, and on the mailing lists |
| 12:44.34 | brlcad | most of the team's interactions are over IRC or on the brlcad-devel mailing list |
| 12:45.04 | bcsaba | I mean to use BRL-CAd in a team. To work team members on a project together somehow. |
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| 12:46.39 | brlcad | ah! |
| 12:47.36 | brlcad | bcsaba: brl-cad is used by teams of modelers, but the software does little automatically for you in that regard (other than mged allowing multiple clients to work on a .g simultaneously) |
| 12:48.03 | brlcad | that is one of the design intents of the new modeler gui, though, and the supporting geometry service interface |
| 12:53.15 | brlcad | bcsaba: I take it you've not done much research into just how much open source CAD is out there? :) |
| 12:54.14 | brlcad | we're by far as good as it gets and we still have a long ways to go -- many of the commercial CAD systems don't even intrinsicly support team workflows |
| 12:54.15 | bcsaba | You're right, I started it now only. |
| 12:54.48 | bcsaba | That's why I asked some help from experts, where to start with it. |
| 12:56.02 | brlcad | what we have going for us is history (brl-cad's been around for decades), expertise, and community .. we're set up so anyone can get involved to help make it better |
| 12:58.27 | bcsaba | If someone else editing the .g file whlie I working on it too, how his/her modifications affects my work? |
| 12:58.55 | bcsaba | If for example something was removed what I was just using in my work? |
| 12:59.09 | brlcad | it depends |
| 12:59.53 | brlcad | if you're using two different MGEDs then their actions will affect your work (eventually) |
| 13:00.01 | brlcad | if you two share an MGED instance, everything will work just fine |
| 13:00.17 | brlcad | MGED is the name of the main GUI editor, fwiw too :) |
| 13:00.37 | brlcad | MGED has the ability to have multiple simultaneous user sessions (even remote ones) |
| 13:01.40 | brlcad | some actions, like ray-tracing do all their I/O at the beginning and no longer need it afterwards so if you start rendering, for example, and an edit is made to the .g, it won't matter |
| 13:02.00 | brlcad | i presume you mean two modelers though |
| 13:02.31 | bcsaba | That's multiple session thing is something new for me, I'll check this out. |
| 13:02.42 | bcsaba | Yes, I presumed two medelers. |
| 13:03.25 | brlcad | the new GUI I referred to is going to utilize a geometry service (currently under development) which makes all I/O go through a daemon interface (ala mysqld) which will better support user sessions |
| 13:03.51 | brlcad | so that you can have two independent modelers working simultaneously on the same model and receive notifications of each other's work |
| 13:04.07 | brlcad | that is, however, very much under development as we speak |
| 13:04.42 | brlcad | bcsaba: perhaps of interest, long-term development priorities: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 13:05.44 | brlcad | that covers the next four years or so |
| 13:08.48 | bcsaba | Understand. Thanks for your time and the information for now. |
| 13:09.16 | bcsaba | I'll read forward, and I think I'll return with knew question later too. |
| 13:26.56 | starseeker | brlcad: that trimming paper is to be presented at this year's siggraph - I was figuring it hadn't been published yet |
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| 19:33.17 | ``Erik | brlcad: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/results.cfm?rcl_id=09V179000&searchtype=quicksearch&summary=true&refurl=rss |
| 19:33.31 | ``Erik | does ellie fall into that? |
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| 22:36.32 | brlcad | ``Erik: Elle not Ellie :) |
| 22:37.24 | brlcad | and no, mine is not in that range -- mine is late 2008 iirc |
| 22:48.45 | ``Erik | heh, ok |
| 22:49.22 | ``Erik | the tesla roadster went for sale in that period, they sold 400 and had to recall 345 cuz of lotus screwing that up |
| 22:50.28 | brlcad | heh, awesome |
| 22:50.59 | brlcad | some newb factory dude |
| 22:51.42 | brlcad | "dammit jimmy! those bolts aren't tightened to 200 psi! they should be 500psi! .. uh oh" |
| 22:53.04 | ``Erik | ('cept it'd be footpounds) |
| 22:53.05 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:55.36 | brlcad | e-mails that to his dealer |
| 22:56.14 | brlcad | how'd you run across that? recall came out today.. |
| 22:56.19 | ``Erik | HN |
| 22:56.26 | ``Erik | it'll be on slashdot in a couple days |
| 22:56.36 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:58.01 | ``Erik | http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-recalls-345-roadsters-2009-5 |
| 22:58.23 | brlcad | mm.. http://www.triplepundit.com/pages/tesla-recall-setback-for-the-ev-revoluti.php |
| 22:59.12 | ``Erik | btw, coolness: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/homebrewed-cpu/ |
| 23:01.28 | brlcad | ~(375 * 500.0) + (2.0 * 100.0 * 375) |
| 23:01.29 | ibot | 262500 |
| 23:02.14 | brlcad | so roughly less than the cost of 1% of the cars tesla has sold to date |
| 23:02.50 | ``Erik | huh? |
| 23:03.18 | brlcad | assuming an avg repair cost of a 500 plane ticket and 2 hours at a 100/hr to send a tech over to tighten the bolts |
| 23:03.19 | ``Erik | <-- didn't dig into numbers, just saw that 345 were recalled and 400 sold |
| 23:03.32 | brlcad | says they're flying guys out to fix the problem |
| 23:03.43 | ``Erik | if you live outside of one of their core areas |
| 23:03.54 | brlcad | right, upper bound of sorts |
| 23:03.59 | ``Erik | I think the actual repair cost is neglegible compared to the 'opportunity cost' |
| 23:04.33 | brlcad | the customer service reputation of "dude, the guy came to my house!" is pretty remarkable regardless of the production count :) |
| 23:04.58 | ``Erik | yeah, it's a slick damage control move if people read down that far |
| 23:05.19 | brlcad | the tesla is sweet |
| 23:05.34 | brlcad | heck, I might have even held out for the model S had I known that pricetag |
| 23:05.37 | ``Erik | don't like rolls royce and maybach do that, too? I vagually recall that they have trucks they'll dispatch to fix the car right where it is if it every breaks down |
| 23:05.38 | brlcad | probably not, but maybe :) |
| 23:06.02 | ``Erik | next time around, when they're a little more powerful and have better range :D |
| 23:06.09 | brlcad | finding a place to charge the car would have been a bitch |
| 23:06.22 | brlcad | without a garage |
| 23:06.26 | ``Erik | *nod* |
| 23:07.12 | ``Erik | even with a garage, not like there're available outlets at work, or the parking lot up in delaware to look at new speakers |
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| 23:12.52 | ``Erik | still wants to see a car that uses a high efficiency diesel generator, capacitor bank and dc motors, similar to a freight train |
| 23:13.43 | brlcad | and goes all the way up to 60 mph after 60 sec but gets 200 mpg? :) |
| 23:15.58 | ``Erik | nah, what I'm thinking is like a 20hp generator, would have the same 'burst' capability to push the motors hard for the 4 or so seconds to hit 60 in the capacitors plus some, and a bit more than enough horsepower left over to recharge the capacitors while holding highway speed |
| 23:16.19 | ``Erik | throw in regenerative braking for aggressive stop&go and it's all good :D |
| 23:16.50 | ``Erik | and a lot less weight than a battery assembly |
| 23:17.32 | ``Erik | (and the engine could run in the optimal efficiency/output range instead of being all over the place like a regular ICE car) |
| 23:19.06 | ``Erik | was hoping to do that to his truck, but simply lacks the time and will |
| 23:19.52 | brlcad | lazy! |
| 23:20.40 | ``Erik | indeed |
| 23:20.59 | ``Erik | too much code to write, too much to do around the house |
| 23:21.34 | ``Erik | too much to recoup from after wow addiction :D |
| 23:23.40 | ``Erik | mebbe I woulda if I had a two car garage, or bought a car I didn't care about putting in the garage *shrug* |
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