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| 01:49.32 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36166 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libbu/uce-dirent.h rt/do.c rt/viewedge.c rt/viewrad.c): goodbye 1992. DEC __alpha is no more. |
| 01:53.21 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36167 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/ (viewedge.c viewrad.c): cleanup |
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| 02:00.23 | starseeker | idly wonders if FreeCAD compiles and runs any better yet |
| 02:03.22 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36168 10/brlcad/trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs): more libbu header migration and cleanup to put docs with api |
| 02:28.22 | ``Erik | hm. |
| 02:28.28 | ``Erik | can, uh |
| 02:28.36 | ``Erik | we ditch the alliant and gould shit, too? O.o :D |
| 02:29.05 | ``Erik | y'know, goodbye 1978? O.o |
| 02:29.37 | ``Erik | (or 82, or whatever) |
| 02:31.02 | yukonbob | win 3 |
| 02:31.08 | yukonbob | fails self |
| 02:32.37 | ``Erik | *blink* *blink* |
| 02:32.47 | ``Erik | wasn't that, like, late 80's? |
| 02:33.13 | ``Erik | oh wow, early 90's |
| 02:33.25 | ``Erik | <-- cut his teeth on cp/m O.o |
| 02:36.40 | ``Erik | but, yeah, we still have a slew of ifdefs for gould and alliant equipment, probably other ancients like the ibm 360 or 390 :/ |
| 02:37.02 | ``Erik | cray2, ... |
| 02:37.48 | ``Erik | cra1, whatever eta10 is, vax, ... |
| 02:38.02 | ``Erik | convex |
| 02:38.43 | ``Erik | might be premature to eliminate the sgi and mips defines, O.o but alpha was hardly the most obsolete in the listing here :D |
| 02:39.30 | ``Erik | wonders if that's a good "junior developer" task, learn some codebase and history at the same time |
| 03:14.09 | starseeker | attempts the opencascade ebuild yet again... |
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| 05:16.55 | ``Erik | jabs brlcad until he wakes up to help mal |
| 05:17.22 | Maloeran | Eheh thanks, though let him sleep :) |
| 05:17.35 | ``Erik | he doesn't sleep. |
| 05:17.50 | ``Erik | not until he burns out and dies, anyways |
| 05:17.52 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 05:17.58 | Maloeran | He... rests? He closes his eyes and plans future code? |
| 05:18.18 | louipc | hehe |
| 05:19.14 | Maloeran | Well brlcad, Erik tells me you could have some recommendations for online banking in the US. It seems "the law changed" and SURVICE will no longuer be able to directly deposit in my bank account in Canada, and I would like to avoid having to handle checks |
| 05:19.59 | Maloeran | I only need a bank that will receive the money and allow me to forward it to Canada, at low cost |
| 05:21.40 | louipc | some canadian banks have some kind of partnerships with american ones |
| 05:22.31 | Maloeran | Parternships? |
| 05:22.35 | louipc | ... I was able to use my bank card in certain american ATMs without paying the service charge |
| 05:23.01 | ``Erik | atm network agreements may not cover this legality issue |
| 05:23.20 | louipc | maybe not |
| 05:23.30 | Maloeran | It's a legality issue, they could make direct deposits in my bank account just fine, they did for almost 3 years |
| 05:23.41 | louipc | but there could be something similar |
| 05:24.24 | ``Erik | my gut feeling is that one of the online only banks would be optimal for mals need :/ |
| 05:24.38 | Maloeran | Surely so Erik, but I have no idea where to begin my search |
| 05:24.58 | louipc | ing? :P |
| 05:28.46 | Maloeran | Any second opinion on ING?... |
| 05:29.21 | Maloeran | American checks take weeks to clear up here, and it's quite inconvenient if I'm out of the country, ah gez |
| 05:30.42 | ``Erik | mal: maybe you could ask http://news.ycombinator.com/ ? they're like slashdot minus the suck with a huge slathering of (sane) business added |
| 05:30.43 | louipc | or maybe hsbc... |
| 05:31.13 | ``Erik | perhaps a well worded question would get some useful responses from people in teh same situation :) |
| 05:31.57 | louipc | best to call and ask I'd say |
| 05:32.23 | Maloeran | Strange site, Erik, never heard of it |
| 05:32.32 | ``Erik | heh |
| 05:32.39 | ``Erik | I've been hooked on it for the last year or so |
| 05:32.53 | Maloeran | Oh, and what's your comic url again? |
| 05:32.59 | Maloeran | I don't have it bookmarked on the laptop |
| 05:33.00 | ``Erik | just about everything on slashdot that interests me shows up there a few days earlier |
| 05:33.07 | ``Erik | brlcad.org/~erik/comics/comic.php |
| 05:33.39 | Maloeran | Thanks |
| 05:33.52 | ``Erik | I have 90% of a replacement ready, just lack the will to finish it... php/mysql, which I've decided is inferior. |
| 05:34.59 | ``Erik | (adds the notions of a user so you can specify which comics you care about and does dynamic soft updating so'z you don't brutalize the website and get all the 'missed' comics if you don't check daily) |
| 05:35.29 | ``Erik | a couple sites are real stinkers, like boasas has the 'next' button on the latest page wrap to the first |
| 05:42.55 | louipc | for sure |
| 05:43.57 | ``Erik | <-- willing to call it gpl or something and chuck the src out O.o |
| 05:44.37 | louipc | oh your replacement is inferior? |
| 05:45.51 | ``Erik | it's insufficient in a couple minor aspects |
| 05:45.57 | louipc | ah |
| 05:47.13 | ``Erik | actually, I think the wraparound is handled, the "default page" issue is the gotcha |
| 05:47.33 | ``Erik | <A HREF="/index.php">Next</A> |
| 05:59.44 | Maloeran | Doesn't look like I can open an account online anywhere since I'm not an US resident, I'll have to go to some bank personally |
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| 08:42.55 | brlcad | Maloeran: gotta run, but back in a couple hours -- ING is a great choice |
| 08:43.31 | brlcad | there's at least five that are really good, international, full-service online banks now |
| 08:44.29 | brlcad | E*Trade Bank is another good one |
| 08:46.18 | brlcad | wells fargo was in my top three too iirc |
| 08:46.52 | brlcad | depends mostly how much reserve cash you keep in terms of fees, minimums, account types, etc |
| 08:47.52 | brlcad | runs off into the morning |
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| 12:15.26 | d-lo | lol, this is pretty good: http://michaelfuchs.org/razorsedge/index.php?story=2009-04-24 |
| 12:25.17 | starseeker | grunts - FreeCAD fails to build again |
| 12:25.45 | brlcad | classic :) .. http://michaelfuchs.org/razorsedge/img/graphjam/pacman.jpg |
| 12:28.02 | starseeker | brlcad: hehe |
| 12:45.46 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad. If that helps, I don't intend to keep much into that account, it would just be on the way to forward the funds to Canada |
| 12:46.21 | Maloeran | I can't open an account in any of these online, I'll have to do that in Baltimore, so I would prefer to find a good one right away |
| 12:46.51 | Maloeran | Most of all, one that allows wire transfers to foreign banks from the internet |
| 12:47.40 | brlcad | Maloeran: you can't open an ING account? |
| 12:48.09 | brlcad | once you have an ABA, you don't need wire transfers -- they can just do direct deposit |
| 12:48.41 | brlcad | with direct deposit, most of them will decrease or eliminate their minimum balance requirements |
| 12:48.41 | archivist | theses days you need real hard proof to get a bank account |
| 12:48.41 | Maloeran | I have an ABA, they can't transfer to Canada due to some legal change since September 18th |
| 12:49.11 | brlcad | you mean to transfer to some other account in canada? |
| 12:49.34 | brlcad | wire transfer != direct deposit |
| 12:49.36 | ``Erik | http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/piechart_300x1981.6sitjfs3d4kc88skoc40o8g4w.8td8r2s3w1cs4kksc4okksgg8.th.jpeg |
| 12:49.51 | ``Erik | http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/imagesmr-20t-20graph.jpg |
| 12:50.08 | Maloeran | I know I know, I'm just saying I already have an ABA but it's some legal issue apparently. I could transfer to said ABA myself from the american bank then, that's what you are saying |
| 12:50.33 | brlcad | yeah, or just use the online bank as your only/main bank |
| 12:50.38 | brlcad | that's actually what I do now |
| 12:50.58 | Maloeran | I'll need a credit card with them then |
| 12:51.05 | brlcad | o.O |
| 12:51.07 | brlcad | why? |
| 12:51.18 | brlcad | oh, you'd need at least a debit card, sure |
| 12:51.31 | brlcad | not a credit account, though |
| 12:52.11 | Maloeran | I'm just saying it won't be my "only/main bank" if I have to keep using my credit card from the RBC |
| 12:52.45 | brlcad | of course, you'd drop the RBC, get a new debit card for ing or etrade or whomever |
| 12:52.49 | Maloeran | Having a look at ING. Most online banks I had looked at yesterday would not open the account the moment I said I wasn't an US resident or I didn't have an US security number |
| 12:53.35 | brlcad | ah, that could be an issue .. I can see wells fargo not allowing that, but not a couple of the bigger international banks |
| 12:53.39 | Maloeran | ING requires the security number and there is no "Country" field to specify one's home address |
| 12:53.53 | Maloeran | So I'll have to go to some bank personally |
| 12:53.56 | brlcad | is it actually required? 000-00-0000 :) |
| 12:54.30 | Maloeran | And I can't define my home address? :) No country field, and a "State" drop-down menu |
| 12:56.31 | louipc | why not call/email the bank and ask about it? |
| 12:57.03 | Maloeran | Surely I would have to present myself personally with a passport at least |
| 12:57.13 | Maloeran | I guess I'll go ING in Baltimore next week, thanks |
| 12:57.19 | Maloeran | to* ING |
| 12:58.04 | louipc | yeah they definitely need to confirm your identity |
| 12:58.30 | brlcad | Maloeran: might want to try E*Trade Bank, they have a pretty good international presence and excellent e-services |
| 12:58.33 | louipc | but I don't think you have to show up in person |
| 12:58.46 | brlcad | their site says international customers have to call |
| 12:58.55 | Maloeran | The strange part is that I read about the supposed changes on IATs ( International ACH Transfers ) since September 18th, and the US authorities only want to collect some extra information to prevent money laundering |
| 12:58.58 | brlcad | 1-800-387-2331 |
| 12:59.05 | Maloeran | It doesn't seem like that would prevent SURVICE from doing IATs |
| 12:59.19 | Maloeran | Ah I see, thanks brlcad |
| 13:00.18 | brlcad | they have a specific international site, but it looks like it might only cater to stock trading .. and bizzarely, canada isn't in their list of countries |
| 13:00.46 | ``Erik | did they already update the site and have canada listed as the 51st state? :D *duck* |
| 13:01.19 | Maloeran | If we were the 51st state, I wouldn't have these issues with international ACH transfers :) |
| 13:02.10 | ``Erik | (a bank jumping the gun? gov't being slow? no, that couldn't possibly happen ;) |
| 13:02.47 | brlcad | Maloeran: for a measly 10% fee, I'll gladly open the account for you and do monthly wire transfers ;) |
| 13:03.22 | ``Erik | counts the number of TLA's suddenly very interested in brlcad O.o |
| 13:03.30 | Maloeran | Yes, that's... very generous :) |
| 13:03.32 | Maloeran | What's a TLA? |
| 13:03.34 | brlcad | it is really odd that canada is missing from that list |
| 13:03.36 | brlcad | ~tla |
| 13:03.37 | ibot | it has been said that tla is Three Letter Acronym, or the name of the binary for GNU arch |
| 13:04.02 | louipc | hahhh |
| 13:04.06 | brlcad | "cia", "nsa", "dhs", ... :) |
| 13:04.13 | Maloeran | Oh. :) |
| 13:04.41 | louipc | more devs then? |
| 13:04.57 | brlcad | I'll cut their agents in for 5% |
| 13:05.26 | ``Erik | notes that brlcad left the scariest of them all off his list... irs O.O |
| 13:05.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 13:06.19 | Maloeran | Or I just fly every month to some Branch Banking and Trust Company to cash checks directly, woohoo.... |
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| 13:09.40 | ``Erik | mars in 39 days, that'd be nutty |
| 13:13.18 | ``Erik | looks at the LCROSS impact schedule and curses the fact that he lives in french polynesia |
| 13:16.29 | Maloeran | Isn't that supposed to crash in the moon? |
| 13:16.36 | ``Erik | yup |
| 13:16.56 | Maloeran | You should be safe in french polynesia then |
| 13:17.11 | Maloeran | Oh you mean, you won't be able to see it from a telescope or so |
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| 13:17.21 | ``Erik | heh, it'll be daybreak here so the plume will be obfuscated |
| 13:17.37 | ``Erik | 7:31am :/ |
| 13:18.11 | Maloeran | I'm sure they'll display pretty pictures on television, a lot better than you could get with a telescope |
| 13:18.54 | ``Erik | yes, and seeing photographs of the articles in a museum is just as good as going |
| 13:18.54 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 13:19.32 | ``Erik | this one's neat because when it does a dirt-torpedo, they get to say "uh, we meant to do that" |
| 13:19.35 | ``Erik | :D |
| 13:20.22 | Maloeran | Yup :D |
| 13:21.41 | Maloeran | can open a bank account with ingdirect.ca, but then surely that would qualify as a canadian bank |
| 13:30.00 | Maloeran | Neat, Somali pirates attacked a french warship thinking it was a cargo ship. That didn't work out too well for them |
| 13:31.45 | ``Erik | hm, fuel supply ship, not a warship, but not completely unarmed and passive :) |
| 13:32.52 | archivist | command and supply ship, the Somme, repelled the attack and chased the pirates, capturing five of them |
| 13:33.02 | ``Erik | looking at the pic of la somme, they musta been really retarded |
| 13:33.27 | ``Erik | ah, at night |
| 13:33.30 | archivist | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8294858.stm |
| 13:33.40 | ``Erik | http://www.france24.com/en/20091007-french-navy-captures-pirates-attacking-ship-somalia-somme |
| 13:35.59 | ``Erik | kinda messed up, after their gov't collapsed, chinese drag fishers went hogwild devastating local fishing, so the remains of the coast guard and some fishermen tried to chase them off, but stealing and ransoming seemed too attractive :/ |
| 13:38.53 | Maloeran | If they had actually captured ships within their territorial waters, they wouldn't be regarded as much as pirates |
| 13:39.50 | ``Erik | they did, but they ransomed them, which changed what the world thought back in the 90's... |
| 13:40.38 | ``Erik | *shrug* as with all things, it's far more complicated once ya look into the details :) |
| 13:41.57 | Maloeran | Oh, it wasn't a ransom, just a... fine? :) |
| 13:42.07 | Maloeran | Yes, it's a rather complicated issue |
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| 21:09.07 | brlcad | Maloeran: call them .. if their ABA number is 031176110 .. then it's no different :) |
| 21:09.26 | brlcad | (ingdirect.ca) |
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| 22:11.58 | brlcad | starseeker: http://www.stellarsoftware.com/ |
| 22:12.07 | brlcad | maybe interest you, or ideas for us to implement :) |
| 22:15.34 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36169 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/ (dm-ogl.c dm-rtgl.c): Do what dm-X does and abbreviate some of the struct references for readibility. |
| 22:16.06 | brlcad | just a few days ago, ouch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kamdesh |
| 22:16.25 | starseeker | dammit |
| 22:16.46 | starseeker | was too slow on the ctrl-c |
| 22:18.31 | CIA-33 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36170 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-rtgl.c: Whoops, sucked in dm-rtgl by mistake. |
| 22:18.48 | starseeker | brlcad: hmm, cool :-) |
| 22:19.34 | louipc | hah there's a huge gap between what nato claims the taliban lost, and the taliban claim |
| 23:10.19 | ``Erik | it's war, everyone loses |
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| 23:43.04 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad, though it looks like ING has distinct entities for each country it operates in |
| 23:43.22 | Maloeran | In other words, ingdirect.ca is a canadian bank so that won't help |
| 23:43.40 | starseeker | Maloeran: you may find the law specifically precludes what you're trying to do - it might be worth checking on |
