| 00:35.34 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, msi .. those aren't installshield |
| 00:37.24 | brlcad | it'd have to be a pretty fledged installer to surpass our nsis one, though .. it's pretty swank with it's options, graphics, optional sections, etc .. |
| 00:39.45 | brlcad | think the issue is more bob ran into a bug and instead of figuring out the problem, he'd rather play with something new |
| 00:41.06 | brlcad | the problem just needs to have some earnest investigation put into it to see if it's something wrong in our nsis file, an nsis bug, or a network filesystem problem |
| 00:41.57 | brlcad | i took a quick look at the nsis source code and the error he's getting is a generic "file i/o" problem (which stupidly just assumingly reports as disk full) |
| 00:43.15 | brlcad | would be trivial to add some better debug statements in, recompile, see what the real error is; or do the nsis on a diff (non-net-fs) system |
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| 01:35.58 | starseeker | brlcad: in fairness to Bob, he never mentioned wix - I'm the one who went looking |
| 01:36.10 | starseeker | Bob never asked me to - I'm the guilty one |
| 01:37.23 | starseeker | :-P |
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| 03:56.08 | starseeker | wonders if virtualbox will finish compiling before Haiku finishes downloading |
| 04:08.34 | brlcad | for those that haven't seen fitz' and sussman's latest tech talk, it's pretty good: http://code.google.com/events/io/2009/sessions/MythGeniusProgrammer.html |
| 04:08.58 | brlcad | starseeker: aha .. hm. |
| 04:25.14 | starseeker | compile finished first :-) |
| 04:31.46 | starseeker | brlcad: hadn't looked at installer development on Windows since last InnoSetup vs. NSIS discussions - was curious if anything new had appeared |
| 04:34.24 | brlcad | http://wix.sourceforge.net/ is probably the other at a mature enough level, but with a steeper learning curve |
| 04:52.09 | starseeker | installs Haiku into a virtualbox image |
| 04:52.17 | brlcad | woot |
| 04:52.50 | brlcad | starseeker: you'll need to change the default network adapter in virtualbox for haiku to use it |
| 04:53.10 | brlcad | there's a page on their wiki about it, but basically the first intel one iirc |
| 04:53.39 | starseeker | cool :-) |
| 04:55.27 | starseeker | (install is taking a little while on my now lame machine) |
| 04:59.32 | starseeker | tries to think if there have ever been any true genius programmers... hmm... Knuth maybe? |
| 05:05.13 | starseeker | well, the mouse moves ssssllllooww but I guess really I can't kick for full virtualization on something this old |
| 05:08.37 | starseeker | hello from Haiku! :-) |
| 05:09.15 | starseeker | that is easily the easiest experience I have ever had getting networking working in a virtual machine |
| 05:09.37 | starseeker | winces, remembering when bochs was all the rage... |
| 05:10.39 | starseeker | that was coool :-) |
| 05:11.02 | starseeker | must try out ReactOS... |
| 05:18.14 | starseeker | has an idea born of true and pure evil... use ReactOS + msys/mingw to build a Windows install of BRL-CAD that never touched Windows :-) |
| 05:18.45 | starseeker | Fortunately, the toolchain almost certainly isn't up to anything so bats**t insane |
| 05:20.13 | brlcad | slow mouse? interesting.. mine was too fast default |
| 05:20.31 | brlcad | they don't yet have accelleration dampening working well |
| 05:21.42 | starseeker | feels like CPU cranking |
| 05:21.58 | starseeker | has an old dual P4 - may not be up to this kind of action |
| 05:33.48 | starseeker | blinks - internet in ReactOS?? |
| 05:33.57 | starseeker | holy smoke |
| 05:40.06 | starseeker | wonders how this sucker would respond to a movitz image... |
| 05:44.26 | brlcad | don't forget the mosix disc from the summit too ;) |
| 05:45.22 | starseeker | minix you mean? ;-) |
| 05:45.28 | brlcad | er yeah |
| 05:45.33 | starseeker | hasn't heard of mosix for a while now :-) |
| 05:46.21 | starseeker | downloads mingw and msys into ReactOS |
| 05:46.29 | starseeker | unreal... |
| 05:47.34 | brlcad | unreal tournament? :) |
| 05:49.11 | starseeker | heh - could try that too |
| 05:50.33 | starseeker | ah, phew - msys isn't working right |
| 05:50.52 | starseeker | was afraid for a minute there he might actually have to attempt a BRL-CAD compile |
| 05:54.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 06:01.46 | starseeker | hehe - it will take the movitz floppy image |
| 06:10.56 | starseeker | ooo, how could I forget AROS: http://aros.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:12.45 | starseeker | pity about their custom license |
| 06:24.25 | starseeker | mmm, freedos - ah, the good old (or old anyway) 386 days |
| 06:35.40 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36408 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/vls.c: checkpoint. further progress on encoding/decoding from string to argv and back.. though there is still some wonkyness with quoted/escaped words. continued work in progress. |
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| 11:26.29 | d-lo | ``Erik: lol, I'm cryin here. It's like they quoted my dad's best sayings. hahahahaha |
| 11:26.38 | d-lo | bah, now that's strange. |
| 11:26.41 | d-lo | Mernin all! |
| 12:12.35 | brlcad | mernin |
| 12:24.59 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36409 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/bu.h src/libbu/vls.c): revert back to 36317 removing the new encode/decode so raytracing is unbroken and release prep can continue. the issues with encode/decode can get sorted out post-release. |
| 12:25.43 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36410 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: test it, ship it |
| 12:27.59 | d-lo | brlcad: You been playing with Haiku recently eh? opinions? |
| 12:30.10 | brlcad | d-lo: been following haiku since before they were called haiku |
| 12:30.58 | brlcad | i'm pretty excited, actually -- they've had a surge of rapid progress ever since they finally got self-hosting earlier this year |
| 12:31.59 | brlcad | a far ways off from holding a stick to any modern distro, but Haiku's clean heritage and architecture design is one of the best imnshho |
| 12:33.35 | brlcad | starseeker: at a glance, I'm not sure indianlarry's recent multiplicity change is right.. that might be related to the eval problems |
| 12:37.06 | brlcad | opennurbs doesn't store the repeat the start/end knots for surfaces/curves for a given order, duplicating them internally implicitly during eval -- it's not clear to me what r36364 is doing in that regard |
| 13:16.03 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36411 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/mged.c: apply a heavily modified version of Jack Devanney's ( djw1 ) sf patch 2889987 (improvement to f_opendb) that should make mged not prompt for new file creation if opendb is called with a y/n tail argument. |
| 13:19.20 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36412 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: special thanks to Jack Devanney for his mged opendb patch, even if it didn't survive on apply. he pinpointed the issue and provided a working patch regardless. |
| 13:38.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36413 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 13:38.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: prompted by Jack Devanney's problem of adding 'opendb file y' to .mgedrc and |
| 13:38.43 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: having it still prompt, his patch and my refactoring have made things better |
| 13:38.45 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: where it should obey the [y/n] opendb tail regardless of which mode mged is |
| 13:38.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: running. |
| 13:56.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36414 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith added a -n option to the bot_dump command where it'll write out surface normals (untested) |
| 14:01.06 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36415 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: keith also made some improvements to obj-g making it handle files that have texture and surface normal data (by ignoring that data) |
| 14:04.13 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36416 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 14:04.17 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: bob implemented a new plugin in archer for displaying groups of attributes and |
| 14:04.19 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: showing/hiding objects associated with those attributes. shows up an a graphical |
| 14:04.21 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: panel with list boxes, object selection, and key bindings that drive the |
| 14:04.23 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: graphical window. |
| 14:05.36 | brlcad | that completes my review items |
| 14:05.58 | brlcad | good for someone(tm) to do cross-platform compile testing and sync to STABLE |
| 14:10.14 | someone | heh |
| 14:14.24 | brlcad | hehe |
| 14:15.30 | starseeker | attempts to get his voice to sound a little less like a dying frog... |
| 14:15.40 | *** topic/#brlcad by louipc -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || Release 7.16.0 posted (20091006) || Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ |
| 14:16.02 | louipc | 7.16.0 :D |
| 14:16.20 | louipc | starseeker: you got the flu? |
| 14:16.31 | starseeker | nah, just a headcold |
| 14:16.43 | louipc | ah alright |
| 14:17.00 | starseeker | running the standard head, tonsils, body ache, coughing up crap cycle |
| 14:17.12 | louipc | people are going nuts over the flu and vaccinations here |
| 14:17.23 | starseeker | sometimes I can ride 'em out, but this one was a bit of a doozie |
| 14:17.42 | louipc | new and improved virus eh |
| 14:17.46 | starseeker | yea, I keep getting asked if I've got the flu |
| 14:18.10 | starseeker | standard response: shhh! digestion is the one thing I HAVEN'T had a problem with yet! |
| 14:18.30 | louipc | hehe |
| 14:19.32 | starseeker | brlcad: did indianlarry ever get a Windows build environment set up? |
| 14:20.09 | starseeker | 'twould be nice if the Windows build stuff could be swatted |
| 14:20.48 | starseeker | iirc some of 'em had to do with recent changes to opennurbs_ext |
| 14:23.37 | starseeker | notes with some bemusement that the FreeDOS install takes just as long as he remembers it taking years ago |
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| 14:25.39 | starseeker | heh - watcom c/c++ compiler - I'll bet that's one BRL-CAD has never encountered |
| 14:26.57 | brlcad | not in at least two decades probably |
| 14:31.30 | ``Erik | headcold must be going around, kept me out of the office yesterday, still coughing and snotting a bit O.o |
| 14:34.11 | starseeker | yeah, Sarah had it last week and folks at her place were down sick too |
| 14:34.14 | starseeker | tiz the season |
| 14:34.53 | ``Erik | annoying, anytime anyone coughs or sneezes, everyone goes "??? H1N1?? AAAHHHHH |
| 14:35.07 | starseeker | heh, yep |
| 14:35.13 | starseeker | gets that too |
| 14:35.37 | starseeker | it's like "No, but maybe I can find you some if you want it..." |
| 14:36.06 | louipc | this cold going around must be the 'test' |
| 14:36.07 | starseeker | isn't this the so called "swine flu" that we were all up in arms about last goaround? |
| 14:36.29 | starseeker | thought H1N1 was the "official" name for that, but could be wrong... |
| 14:36.33 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 14:36.35 | ``Erik | it is |
| 14:36.57 | ``Erik | (actually, if I understand correctly, h1n1 is a family of flu virii, which 'swine flu' belongs to?) |
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| 14:37.03 | starseeker | hmm, so we've had world ending due to bird flu, world ending due to swine flu... |
| 14:37.11 | ``Erik | don't forget sar |
| 14:37.13 | ``Erik | sars |
| 14:37.25 | starseeker | was that different from the bird flu? |
| 14:37.28 | ``Erik | oh, and the world ended from the swine flu in the 70's, so *shrug* it's all good, right? |
| 14:37.39 | ``Erik | I thought so? *shrug* |
| 14:37.48 | starseeker | but nobody expects... the Hampster Flu! |
| 14:38.14 | ``Erik | shitloads of media fearmongering for a story... 5000 people int he world have died of swine flue this year, the "regular" flu kills 200,000-500,000 a year |
| 14:38.30 | ``Erik | the spanish flu killed many millions less than a century ago |
| 14:38.37 | louipc | yeah what the hell is sars |
| 14:38.45 | starseeker | that's the 1918 one, right? |
| 14:38.51 | ``Erik | yeh |
| 14:38.58 | starseeker | that WAS scary. |
| 14:39.08 | louipc | haha sars is a cold |
| 14:39.20 | starseeker | airborne, most dangerous to healthy people, struck fast and hard |
| 14:40.13 | starseeker | 'course, sanitation practices in 1918 still left something to be desired, and the world WAS recovering from a very bloody war. |
| 14:40.15 | louipc | it's less dangerous to sick people? |
| 14:40.23 | louipc | o.O |
| 14:41.01 | starseeker | iirc, the theory about the spanish flu was that the immune response it provoked in healthy people was so strong as to be dangerous, whereas those with weakened immune systems couldn't damage themselves as much |
| 14:41.26 | starseeker | something about an immune system "storm", but it's been a while since I saw anything about it and I'm no expert <shurg> |
| 14:42.47 | starseeker | oh: cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) |
| 14:44.22 | louipc | oh kinda like playing an old video game on a faster machine |
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| 15:01.03 | starseeker | hmm. I'll bet if any OS does well with VirtualBox it would be opensolaris.... |
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| 17:04.04 | starseeker | decides his head isn't going to fall off and heads in... |
| 17:58.03 | ``Erik | gonna have to leave my laptop in a room with a closed door O.o one of the cats closed it. |
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| 18:48.01 | starseeker | ``Erik: the cats are stealing your laptop? O.o |
| 18:49.22 | starseeker | ours would probably consider it a warm place to sleep... |
| 18:54.53 | ``Erik | well, I closed the lid down so there was like 2 inches between the top and base, so it'd stay running... was ssh'd in and compiling BRL-CAD on it and it stopped pinging. I assume that means the noise and heat got someones interest and it became a seat |
| 18:55.08 | starseeker | hehe |
| 19:04.49 | starseeker | ooo, glad I'm not in Montgomery County |
| 19:05.05 | starseeker | traffic control computer crashes, nothing moves... |
| 19:09.50 | yukonbob | ``Erik: you need a USB electric fence for it. |
| 19:10.13 | yukonbob | Universal Shock Bus? |
| 19:14.38 | starseeker | hey, this is kinda cool: http://sumo.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:16.31 | starseeker | http://elib.dlr.de/21012/2/dkrajzew_TRAF9_AgentbasedTLS.pdf |
| 19:17.57 | yukonbob | 3/win 3 |
| 19:18.14 | starseeker | yukonbob: hmm? |
| 19:18.32 | yukonbob | <--- fail. ww. |
| 19:19.32 | starseeker | is now going to be compelled to play with this traffic simulation program and waste more brain cells :-) |
| 19:19.54 | starseeker | real fun - integrate openstreetmap data into simulations |
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| 19:22.16 | ``Erik | actually, been tempted to get some motion detectors and wiring them into spritzers as deterrents, just concerned about water+electronics :/ |
| 19:23.13 | ``Erik | was looking at air freshners and saw some that claimed to be motion activated, hrmmmmm |
| 19:23.49 | ``Erik | wiggles his toes and continues to wait for http://www.stargateworlds.com/ |
| 19:36.32 | starseeker | hmm - open source Air Traffic Controller environment: http://www.albatross.aero/projects/projects-list/project-details.php?p=NA==&s=TGVhcm5Nb3Jl |
| 19:41.18 | starseeker | ah, phooy - project members only |
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| 21:07.24 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36417 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: crude timing test for metaball tesselation. |
| 21:07.35 | ``Erik | takes a moment to laugh evilly. |
| 21:07.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:10.58 | ``Erik | (feel free to comment on the tolerance bit) |
| 21:11.10 | ``Erik | (as for the rest; shove it. :D ) |
| 21:14.15 | ``Erik | subversion applied to become an apache foundation project |
| 21:14.27 | brlcad | neat |
| 21:14.41 | brlcad | is the tolerance dynamic? |
| 21:14.57 | ``Erik | it's whatever is passed in |
| 21:14.59 | brlcad | then it sucks ;) |
| 21:15.11 | ``Erik | looks for the max of the two rt tols' and the bn tol dist |
| 21:15.40 | ``Erik | and uses that value as the grid size |
| 21:22.31 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36418 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp: |
| 21:22.31 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Added buffer around UV pushback for loose fitting edges may not need if we can |
| 21:22.32 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: tighten the 3D edge to shared surface. |
| 21:24.36 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36419 10/brlcad/trunk/ (include/opennurbs_ext.h src/librt/opennurbs_ext.cpp): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:24.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Added tolerance argument to getSurfacePoint(), added quick return if |
| 21:24.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: point found within BREP_SAME_POINT_TOLERANCE, else now iterates |
| 21:24.45 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: through looking for closest point within tolerance argument. Also |
| 21:24.47 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: added BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE buffer around 3D bounding box to make |
| 21:24.52 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: sure 3D edges fall within bounding boxes (needed when generating |
| 21:24.58 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: pullbacks on loose edges).Also moved BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE and |
| 21:25.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36420 10/brlcad/trunk/include/brep.h: |
| 21:25.37 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Moved BREP_EDGE_MISS_TOLERANCE and BREP_SAME_POINT_TOLERANCE definitions |
| 21:25.39 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: to opennurbs_ext.h |
| 21:27.16 | brlcad | ``Erik: ahh.. pretty sure you just broke the build on windows |
| 21:27.34 | brlcad | instead of calling gettimeofday/clock directly.. how about just rt_get_timer? |
| 21:27.48 | brlcad | wraps those some routines portably |
| 21:41.41 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36421 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: use rt_{prep,get}_timer() instead of gettimeofday for portability |
| 21:41.45 | ``Erik | "for those users of lesser os's" |
| 22:04.03 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36422 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/metaball/metaball.c: attempt to do something almost kinda sane with relative tolerance? |
| 22:13.25 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: 03indianlarry * r36423 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/step/ (9 files): |
| 22:13.29 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: Cleaned up and removed some debugging/dead code from pullback routines, added |
| 22:13.33 | CIA-37 | BRL-CAD: some developmental routines as initial start to edge tightening |
| 23:21.20 | Ralith | hm |
| 23:21.21 | Ralith | hey guys |
| 23:21.39 | Ralith | there was someone here a while back that I talked into tutorialifying an impeller he modelled to learn mged |
| 23:21.45 | Ralith | did that ever get finished? |