IRC log for #brlcad on 20091113

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06:05.06Emtonhey all
06:05.30Emtonbeen trying to compile this bad boy on cygwin
06:05.58Emtonany know if some of the tools like pix-png are available for download
06:06.38Emtonmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `../src/conv/asc2g', needed by `operators.as
06:06.45Emtonahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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14:48.31CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36474 10/brlcad/branches/rel8/ (1264 files in 100 dirs): Sync rel8 to latest trunk as of r36469
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15:20.19CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Qr9ken26z9dh24g 07http://brlcad.org * r1683 10/wiki/User:Qr9ken26z9dh24g: New page: Was to be sure rather short and thin himself. Her skin was light brown her face and torso out of some adolescent male's fantasies the eyes unnaturally large the lips too thick and sensuous...
15:23.55``Erikhm, I don't seem to have wiki "sysop" privs
16:09.15brlcad``Erik: you should
16:09.27brlcadwhat's your user?
16:10.58``ErikErik
16:11.13``Erikbrlcad: gonna be in the area in ~30m? lunch?
16:12.25CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Erik from (none) to sysop: add to sysops
16:12.53CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Erik from sysop to sysop, bureaucrat
16:13.20CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Starseeker from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat
16:14.00CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Mafm from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat
16:14.21CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Rossberg from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat
16:15.56CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/delete:
16:15.58CIA-61BRL-CAD: deleted "[[User:Qr9ken26z9dh24g]]": content was: 'Was to be sure rather short
16:16.00CIA-61BRL-CAD: and thin himself. Her skin was light brown her face and torso out of some
16:16.04CIA-61BRL-CAD: adolescent male's fantasies the eyes unnaturally...' (and the only contributor
16:16.06CIA-61BRL-CAD: was '[[Special:Contributions/Qr9ken26z9dh24g|Qr9ken26z9dh24g]]')
16:16.16CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Qr9ken26z9dh24g]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages
16:18.22CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/rights: changed group membership for User:Dloman from (none) to sysop, bureaucrat
16:20.55mafmbrlcad: sysop, bureaucrat? don't insult me!
16:36.28brlcadhaha
16:36.40brlcadi have no idea what that bureaucrat group is for
16:37.15brlcadcan't wait to announce this next big release
16:38.36*** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || Release 7.16.2 posted (20091106) .. full binary release!
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17:29.01CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36475 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/AttrGroupsDisplayUtility.tcl: Mark the selected item using a grey background.
17:30.57CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36476 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Component pick now prints a string to the command window instead of popping up another window.
17:53.59CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36477 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Crystal/compErase.png: Adding a new image for component erase button.
17:54.56CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36478 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Windows/compErase.png: Adding a new image for component erase button.
17:55.37CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36479 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/Crystal_Large/compErase.png: Adding a new image for component erase button.
18:06.52CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36480 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/images/Themes/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Include reference to compErase.png
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18:11.14CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36481 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/lib/Ged.tcl: Added a new method: clear_mouse_ray_callback_list. Also, now catching call to shoot_ray.
18:13.19CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36482 10/brlcad/trunk/src/tclscripts/archer/ArcherCore.tcl: Added a component erase mode.
18:27.55louipcwhoa momma!
18:31.29``Erikhm, tk86 uses cocoa natively on osX
19:35.09yukonbobis curren svn head 7.16.2?
19:35.49yukonbob*current
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20:26.02starseekeryukonbob: not quite - there are a few new changes
20:26.04starseekerbut pretty close
20:32.27``Erikhm, water on the moon
20:35.33starseekergreat, another excuse for a new bottled water brand
20:35.54starseeker"New - Moon Water!  With a flavor out of this world!"
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20:37.19Emtonhello?
20:38.20starseekerhowdy
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20:44.07``Erikheh, starseeker: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1443060&cid=30090924
20:44.39starseeker:-D
20:45.03starseekerfor the record, I am not PolarBearFire and I didn't see that comment ahead of time :-P
20:46.42yukonbobhttp://random-state.net/log/3467117369.html
20:46.50yukonbob^-- raytracing in lisp
20:47.01``Erikyup, already downloaded it
20:47.13yukonbobso you nerds have something to fantasize about
20:47.29``Erikhttp://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=940568
20:47.36starseekersweeet
20:48.34yukonbobMIT licensed, too
20:51.59CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r36483 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: Fixed a bug in go_rt_gettrees that allowed access beyond the argv's capacity.
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20:57.48starseekercool - reverse engineering a fly to get motion identification algorithms
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21:19.58Emtonhey
21:20.08Emtonanyone still here
21:20.09Emton?
21:20.22yukonbob"still"?
21:20.22yukonbobyes
21:20.32Emtonbeen trying to convert the pix via ImageMagick
21:20.43Emtonconvert seems to give me problems tho
21:20.53Emtonhave any of you tried it?
21:21.06yukonbobcan you ellaborate, Emton
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21:21.39Emton>convert -size 200x200 -depth 8 my.pix my.png
21:21.55Emtonconvert: Unexpected end-of-file
21:22.27Emtonwhoops, old paste my.pix -> my.rgb
21:22.31``Erikconvert won't know pix
21:22.39``Erikuse pix-png
21:22.52Emtonhehe, yea i renamed to my.rgb
21:23.13Emtonit is rgb raw format no?
21:23.33Emtoni would use pix-png but it won't compile on cygwin for me
21:24.21``Erikhrm, what does it do when you try to compile it?
21:24.27``Erikmissing png?
21:24.45Emtonproblems w/dynamic constants yada yada..
21:25.08Emtonthe libfb doesn't have a *.la and other things
21:25.17``Erikdoesn't have yiddishcc, doesn't know the yadda error
21:25.18Emtonsomething is probably screwed up in my env
21:25.31``Eriksounds like libtool isn't clicking right
21:25.38``Erikin which case, rt shouldn't have compiled...
21:25.54Emtonno it didn't, i'm using the Win Binaries to run it
21:26.02Emtoni just tried to compile to get pix-png
21:26.06``Erikah, those didn't come with pix-png?
21:26.15Emtonbefore i wiped it w/a make distclean i had a lot of it
21:26.22Emtonno
21:26.37Emtonpix-png is not in the win bin's
21:27.41``Eriklame
21:27.51Emtonyep
21:28.19Emtoni can load the pix into adobe elements and convert but i'd rather use imagemagick if it's possible
21:34.47``Erikhm, imagemagick changed their manpages, I'm wondering if the "RGB" format they list is the old SGI format that has a header on it
21:35.43``Erikwell, n, here's the format page, hrm
21:39.01Emtonhttp://www.imagemagick.org/script/formats.php
21:39.10EmtonRGB  RW  Raw red, green, and blue samples  Use -size and -depth to specify the image width, height, and depth. To specify a single precision floating-point format, use -define quantum:format=floating-point. Set the depth to 64 for a double precision floating-point format.
21:39.49Emtonaccording to what i've read this is what the pix format should be with 3 channels
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21:42.01Emtonaccording to a tip i saw from *brlcad*, you can cat something like "P6 512 512 255" and rename to pnm
21:42.17Emtonthis not working for me either tho
21:45.58Emtonand ya, first cat > file ..header.. then cat my.pix >> file
21:51.58Emtonanyway i guess nobody know since they probably have pix-png going good but imagemagick scripting is useful for animations anyhow
21:52.08Emtonif i find the answer i'll post it back up here
21:54.07brlcadnot quite that simple, I believe the P6 has to be on a separate line?
21:54.42Emtonhmm.. maybe that's why it didn't work - i'll try it
21:54.50brlcadthere is also already pix-ppm ...
21:55.04brlcadpix-[tab][tab]
21:55.13Emtonhehe.. yea, i have problems w/my cyg-win environment
21:55.23Emtoncannot compile much
21:55.58brlcadhm, pix-ppm only depends on libbu, which is one of the first of our libs to compile
21:56.40Emtoni would tell what worked and didn't but i did a 'make distclean'
21:57.00Emtonlast night, then downloaded a bunch of new libraries and it now goes nowhere
21:57.38EmtonGOT IT!!!
21:58.11Emtonconvert -depth 8 -size 200x200 -channel RGB rgb:moss.raw moss.png
21:58.18Emtondoes the trick i was looking for
21:58.33brlcadEmton: was going to just say that, heh
21:58.34Emtonwhat pix-png i suppose would do, i think IM can flip it too
21:58.40Emtonlol
21:58.45Emtonthanks anyway
21:59.08brlcadthat imagic magick has support for raw formats as well, they just call it 'rgb' to not confuse it with the newer "raw" camera formats
21:59.38Emtonyea, i read the descript and it looked similar enough
21:59.40brlcadrgba if we added an alpha channel (which I so hope we do soon)
22:00.10Emtonyea, would be good but i think IM can convert and even swap a bg color for alpha
22:00.16Emtonfor now anyway
22:00.27brlcadso can we
22:00.50Emtonyea, its powerful i don't know half of it
22:01.04brlcadpix format predates alpha channelling, so most all of our tools have a concept of a background color that is used as the alpha channel
22:01.27brlcadjust user-specified instead a convenient separate per-pixel channel
22:01.33Emtonthat's good, yea i guess you need that to RT correctly
22:01.50brlcadyou really want a full channel, though, for proper blending and edge aliasing
22:02.06Emtoni see, so perhaps not too hard to break it out to RGBA
22:02.58Emtondo you know if the ANIM menu works?
22:03.08Emtonhaven't found any documentation or a clue as to how to use it
22:03.12brlcadsaw someone use it a few months back
22:03.17brlcadi'm just not very versed in it
22:03.39Emtonthat's cool, is there a website?
22:03.40brlcadand yeah.. docs for it are limited.. there are some old docs about it somewhere, but I don't think have been uploaded anywhere
22:04.25Emtonoh, yea i know some of this stuff like that tip you gave i only found thanks to our friendly (not sarcastic) ibot dropper
22:04.57brlcadibot dropper?
22:05.06Emtonhere to be exact: http://purl.rikers.org/%23brlcad/20090512.html.gz
22:05.36Emtonwhoops, thats a new one but he's got a good collection of channel copies
22:05.55Emtonyes, i think that ibot you see on the right is rikers bot
22:06.03Emtonto record the channel
22:06.11Emtonhe should pop a search engine on there..
22:06.22brlcadit is rikers' bot
22:06.25Emtonso ppl.. uh.. don't feel like crawling his site
22:06.41Emtonok yea, i thought probly was
22:07.15brlcadprobably the most comprehensive multi-channeled bot on irc with the largest factoid database
22:07.23brlcadreally should clean up that website :)
22:07.32brlcadsearch for starters .. definitely
22:08.13Emtonyea, i guess u can't really complain about er.. spidering w/out having that
22:08.24brlcadwe probably should create an extensive to have a drupal module just suck them in daily so they're indexed with the read of our content
22:08.34brlcadwrapped in something a little more pretty
22:08.47Emtonwould be good
22:09.06brlcadgoogle goes into .gz files, so you can just add site:rikers.org to search the existing logs
22:09.18Emtoni also found this, http://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/
22:09.27brlcadyeah, that's mike's old page
22:09.28Emtonsite of original BRLCAD architect
22:09.31Emtonyea
22:09.42Emtondidn't know he was the ping author
22:09.44Emtonhehe
22:09.48brlcadI'm going to move that onto brlcad.org here some day
22:10.59Emtonyea, it would be good to snag it before the mil wipes by accident or o/w
22:11.35brlcadit wouldn't be by accident, but there has already been issues with the potential "o/w" reasons
22:12.03Emtonreally? is there pushback about having BRLCAD in public domain?
22:12.38brlcadI already have a dump of all of the old ftp website, more just a matter of copying the files into place
22:13.02brlcadbrl-cad is open source, not the same as being in the public domain :)
22:13.24Emtonthat's cool, as long as you have them perhaps u can just dump them for now so others can view them (perhaps painfully)
22:13.29brlcadand that question has little to do with mike's old website ;)
22:14.00Emtonheh, this old website i posted?
22:14.10brlcadright, his homepage
22:14.16Emtonthey don't like the pictures and extra information or something?
22:14.39brlcadI won't/don't speak for "them" :)
22:14.59``Erikshakes fist at "them"
22:15.18Emtonhehe, well - seems good people have "accidents" too often
22:16.36Emtonalrigth guys, back to wrok for me trying to make some BRL animations
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