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02:35.37Emtonheh.. that's weird -> Erik
02:35.45Emtonit worked!
02:36.08Emtoni built the tank.pix w/rt and was able to pix-png it
02:36.19Emtonflag of course as brlcad mentioned is 512
02:36.37Emtonweird, since I was able to convert my other images via IM
02:36.45Emtonthus i'm pretty sure my flags were right
02:36.50Emtoni'll have to check..
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14:42.11CIA-61BRL-CAD: 03Ssd 07http://brlcad.org * r1707 10/wiki/BRL-CAD_Commands: This page would be better if it was formatted like [[MGED Commands]]
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15:27.42brlcadhah
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16:40.28brlcadgo go gadget ssd
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22:54.54Emtonanybody know how to quickly clean up a rickety cygwin env?
22:55.09Emtonmy automake is mess#$)*d up
22:55.33Emtoncan't compile anything using automake
22:55.35Emton=(
22:55.51Emtonthought it was brlcad but IM doesn't go either
22:56.17Emtoni hacked libpkg to pieces because of sockets but too much symbol replacemnt missing
22:57.02Emtonany got a full cygwin binary up for download?
22:57.04Emtonhehe
22:57.55Emtonanyway i've kludges to do all the things but is messy, wish i had one good clean env w/all the tools
22:58.47Emtonnone of the win distros have tabinterp, pix-png and...
22:59.22starseekerEmton: what about installing Linux? ;-)
22:59.44Emtonhehe.. yea, well it's not my comp really
22:59.51starseekeronly suggestion I can make with cygwin is to do a wipe and reinstall, which isn't a quick fix
23:00.23Emtoni know but i have to use setup to remove each one, can I just rip the directories or will i have problems?
23:00.23starseekerinstall virtualbox and run Linux in that :-{
23:00.27starseekerer :-P
23:00.48Emtonyea, i wish there was a knoppix disc w/brl-cad hehe
23:01.01Emtonnot that my comp is powerful enough to run it anywayz
23:01.08starseekernot sure - see if the cygwin site has any docs about whether they muck with Windows registry stuff
23:01.30Emtonyea, i think i did in the past i'll have to check again i guess
23:01.51Emtoni wish i could find what's wrong but it looks like it should work
23:02.04Emtonno real complaints
23:02.25Emtoni saw a thread by David Korn regarding the socket models conflicting
23:02.29starseekerhas very little experience with cygwin, and none in the last 4 years
23:02.31Emtoni think that's what's doing it
23:02.55Emtonheh, well it's linux for windows pretty much
23:03.09Emtonbut problems w/shared libs, sockets, etc hehe
23:04.00starseekerEmton: might try this:  http://www.colinux.org/
23:04.06Emtoni thought it would run smooth by now, i haven't delved into it in a few years now
23:04.45yukonbobstarseeker: 7.16.2 official yet?
23:04.52starseekeryukonbob: yep
23:05.02starseekersource tarball is up for download now, IIRC
23:05.06Emtonheh, konichiwa
23:05.21Emtonabout the only japonese i know tho
23:05.23yukonbobsees /topic, but only noticed single non-significant looking change in svn update
23:05.43yukonbobstarseeker: cool. thx
23:06.10Emtoni'm getting it now, let you know how it goes
23:06.32starseekerEmton: that's another one I've never tried, so I'll be curious
23:07.08Emtonyea, in the install now - i'm choosing debian as the root image
23:07.10Emtonwe'll see
23:08.00starseekerEmton: if that doesn't work, this looks like it might be in the same vein:  http://topologi-linux.sourceforge.net
23:08.41Emtonhmm.. looks interesting
23:09.06Emtoni wonder if coop linux is going to slice up my disc o_O
23:09.26Emtonthis new one you mention looks good, more safe ;)
23:09.50Emtonbut coop is installing now, we'll see what happens
23:09.53Emtonthnx the tips
23:10.19starseekernp - you're still in unstable turf though - afaik no one has ever tried BRL-CAD in either of those environments ;-)
23:11.20Emtonheh, first for everything - i'll let you know what happens
23:12.32Emtonhehe, looks like not much else been tested on it either
23:12.35EmtonWARNING:
23:12.35Emton<PROTECTED>
23:12.35Emton(e.g, stable setups), it is still meant for testing purposes only.
23:12.35EmtonThis means that running it may crash the host (Windows or Linux system).
23:19.42Emtonyea.. this thing takes some tweaking
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23:22.05Emtonif anyone else want to try this i suggest go here, should be easier: http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_out_of_the_box
23:22.40Emtonhehe.. lists the other one you mentioned <- starseeker
23:30.34Emtonanybody see 9/11 coincidences movie?
23:30.58Emtonjust saw it.. pretty well done
23:31.27Emtonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw
23:32.59Emtonalright yea, topologilinux seems easier to use, good call
23:33.30Emtonthe other way looks like u need to creat u own fs's
23:37.11Emton~seen yukonbob_
23:37.14ibotyukonbob_ <i=1000@s142-179-54-198.bc.hsia.telus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 61d 6h 34m 2s ago, saying: 'kanzure: swig != interface. Is interface generator...'.
23:37.14Emtonheh
23:37.40Emton~seen bar
23:37.41ibotbar <n=nottelli@rrcs-24-123-67-4.central.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 180d 56m 36s ago, saying: '^^'.
23:40.27Emton~seen Emton
23:40.28ibotemton is currently on #brlcad (1d 8h 4m 18s). Has said a total of 62 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Emton'.
23:42.29yukonbob~seen yukonbob
23:42.30ibotyukonbob is currently on #brlcad. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen yukonbob'.
23:42.58yukonbob! 1 msg -- liar.
23:43.55Emtonhehe, ibot is the elephant in the room
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