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| 01:39.32 | brlcad | jesica__: nice work on the translation |
| 01:39.33 | brlcad | se ve bien |
| 01:40.24 | jesica__ | brlcad, im doing the lastest correction |
| 01:40.38 | jesica__ | definitly the last, i swear |
| 01:41.10 | jesica__ | there are various thing i note in pdf |
| 01:42.36 | jesica__ | there are two things i cant change |
| 01:43.00 | jesica__ | the advertise <caution> and <note> :( |
| 01:47.33 | brlcad | the english can be changed too :) |
| 01:49.21 | brlcad | oh and when I mentioned submitting a patch, I didn't mean an entire new sourceforge project :) |
| 01:52.23 | jesica__ | i didnt do that, my subcription is still on process :P |
| 01:52.46 | brlcad | there's no subscription required.... |
| 01:52.49 | jesica__ | a friend have done it for me |
| 01:53.01 | brlcad | you just create an account, submit the patch |
| 01:53.23 | jesica__ | well, the account in sourgeforce ned confirmation |
| 01:53.31 | jesica__ | ned/need |
| 01:53.45 | brlcad | ah, and that takes time? :) |
| 01:53.54 | brlcad | should have sent an instant confirmation |
| 01:55.29 | mafm | brlcad: the Google IO 2009 video is a bit... below par :P |
| 01:55.57 | brlcad | mafm: which video?? |
| 01:56.05 | jesica__ | brlcad, ive tried to do it again but said that i was registered |
| 01:56.07 | mafm | at least the one from Mr Linus was more... fun |
| 01:56.23 | mafm | brlcad: the video about "the myth of the genius programmer" that you posted to the ml a while ago |
| 01:56.25 | jesica__ | but when entrying, it said i need confirmation |
| 01:56.29 | jesica__ | :( |
| 01:59.50 | brlcad | mafm: not sure what you mean by "below par", wasn't meant to be earth shattering, more just lots of interesting points |
| 02:00.02 | brlcad | particularly with regards to egos and hidden development practices |
| 02:03.02 | mafm | I actually expected to give more examples, or actual examples |
| 02:03.21 | brlcad | *shrug* |
| 02:03.25 | brlcad | expectations amiss ;) |
| 02:03.27 | mafm | in the "sweet spot" thing about when to involve ppl, there are no examples at all :) |
| 02:03.56 | mafm | just like... "don't get ppl involved too early, also not too late!" |
| 02:04.33 | brlcad | jesica__: what's your username? |
| 02:04.41 | mafm | the topic looked very promising for me, though |
| 02:05.05 | jesica__ | mmm i forgot jajaja |
| 02:05.16 | mafm | I guess that you were trying to make the same point, directed at some devels :P |
| 02:05.29 | jesica__ | but it should be giudicejesica |
| 02:05.48 | brlcad | there's not a formula you apply, more a set of guidelines to consider and apply, case by case basis |
| 02:07.30 | brlcad | jesica__: sent you a test message |
| 02:08.20 | brlcad | jesica__: https://sourceforge.net/account/registration/recover.php |
| 02:08.39 | brlcad | escoje email recovery |
| 02:08.58 | brlcad | ponga tu email |
| 02:09.49 | brlcad | if that doesn't work, you either have a spam filter that thought the account registration was spam or you had a typo in you email address when you registered |
| 02:10.06 | mafm | elige, pon :) |
| 02:10.31 | jesica__ | brlcad, so i can change <note> by <nota> without a trouble? |
| 02:10.54 | brlcad | jesica__: no, everything within <> should not be translated, they're tags |
| 02:11.22 | brlcad | like html, <html><head></head>... you don't translate those, only what is between them |
| 02:12.02 | brlcad | ahh, is it writing "Note:" in the output somewhere? |
| 02:12.17 | brlcad | if so, that's not something in the xml file .. we can fix that |
| 02:14.29 | jesica__ | mmm, so i leave it and you fix it? |
| 02:14.37 | brlcad | yeah |
| 02:15.13 | brlcad | a "note" to starseeker to do something about that when he integrates your change ;) |
| 02:15.27 | brlcad | needs a .es stylesheet customization |
| 02:15.48 | brlcad | or better yet, get the english one out |
| 02:16.11 | brlcad | or gettext the stylesheet if it's more pervasive |
| 02:17.13 | brlcad | jesica__: https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Support |
| 02:17.50 | brlcad | maybe tomorrow you can get ahold of someone on irc, to tell them your account registration e-mail never arrived |
| 02:17.52 | jesica__ | brlcad, the firs image is too large, you should fix that too |
| 02:18.18 | brlcad | jesica__: definitely :) |
| 02:18.54 | brlcad | jesica__: so if you're going to be doing more translations, we can get you set up with svn as soon as you have a sourceforge account :) |
| 02:19.56 | jesica__ | in one line, say that both DELETE and BACKSPACE erase the character on the lefth, thats true? |
| 02:21.12 | brlcad | yes |
| 02:21.21 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36830 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/es/: initial stub for the spanish translations that jesica has been working on |
| 02:22.54 | jesica__ | and just one thing before to finish |
| 02:23.17 | brlcad | it's never really finished :) |
| 02:23.18 | jesica__ | rename a sphere, f.e., is to create one |
| 02:23.42 | starseeker | brlcad: not really sure how to do language specific stylesheets |
| 02:23.52 | starseeker | will have to look into it when my headache goes away |
| 02:23.56 | brlcad | starseeker: we really shouldn't |
| 02:24.01 | brlcad | ideally should be language agnostic |
| 02:24.30 | brlcad | if we have to, can let gettext do the substitutions on the fly |
| 02:26.20 | jesica__ | mmm, ive done silly thing on mi laptop :P, could you send me the link to download the source code again? |
| 02:26.30 | starseeker | oh: http://oreilly.com/catalog/docbook/chapter/book/ch04.html#AEN5446 |
| 02:26.31 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 02:26.32 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 02:26.51 | starseeker | jesica__: you can install subversion? |
| 02:27.22 | brlcad | starseeker: ah, nice find.. there ya go |
| 02:27.24 | starseeker | we need a "language driver" |
| 02:27.42 | starseeker | yay, one more thing to mess up the docbook build with ;-) |
| 02:28.29 | starseeker | will need to generate the driver file from a .in file |
| 02:28.54 | starseeker | doggone it, hate to mess with that level of docbook but I guess no choice |
| 02:29.02 | starseeker | would probably have had to anyhow... |
| 02:29.46 | brlcad | the stylesheets needed to be ripped a new one regardless |
| 02:30.03 | starseeker | heh - not liking the defaults, eh? |
| 02:30.29 | brlcad | noep |
| 02:30.43 | jesica__ | "To recall the sphere, type the command on the Command Line as follows:" |
| 02:30.43 | starseeker | remembers all the fun in the firebird docs.. time to look at that again, I guess |
| 02:31.08 | jesica__ | draw == recall? |
| 02:31.32 | starseeker | er - redraw probably |
| 02:31.35 | brlcad | basically, yes |
| 02:31.37 | brlcad | to draw it again |
| 02:31.44 | brlcad | to draw the sphere again, ... |
| 02:31.47 | jesica__ | oh ok |
| 02:31.49 | jesica__ | thanks |
| 02:33.47 | starseeker | brlcad: the other major problem I am aware of with translations is if we make the file list variable based on $LANG or some such, won't the build crap out if the es or whatever directories don't have all the xml files the en directories do? |
| 02:33.49 | jesica__ | brlcad, now your are wrong, it finally finished |
| 02:34.02 | brlcad | what finished? |
| 02:34.09 | starseeker | translating I think :-) |
| 02:34.13 | brlcad | oh YOU are finished.. heh |
| 02:34.15 | jesica__ | starseeker, yes |
| 02:34.19 | brlcad | the document itself is never finished :) |
| 02:34.20 | jesica__ | jajjaja |
| 02:34.23 | brlcad | jej |
| 02:34.33 | jesica__ | yes, since yesterday |
| 02:34.57 | brlcad | even the english isn't "finished".. it's just where it is now |
| 02:37.44 | brlcad | starseeker: absolutely, once you add in l10n it really needs a driver |
| 02:38.10 | brlcad | you need more complex logic to build the docs |
| 02:38.10 | starseeker | um - driver? |
| 02:38.12 | brlcad | a script |
| 02:38.19 | brlcad | or program |
| 02:38.26 | starseeker | nnnooooooo.... (trails off pathetically) |
| 02:38.28 | brlcad | something where you can embed the logic it needs |
| 02:38.56 | brlcad | could still keep it simple and continue to itemize |
| 02:39.12 | starseeker | no, we need scalable |
| 02:39.29 | brlcad | separate Makefile.am into a Makefile.en and Makefile.es .. include them in the Makefile.am |
| 02:39.41 | starseeker | I just can't believe we finally got a nice (almost) working parallel docbook build using automake and now we get to blow it to hell |
| 02:40.02 | brlcad | that way you could even keep the Makefiles down with the XML files, and recursively include them up |
| 02:40.35 | starseeker | well... maybe |
| 02:40.52 | brlcad | so the es build file would only be as complex as the quantity of files that have been converted |
| 02:41.21 | starseeker | can includes be conditionalized? |
| 02:41.43 | starseeker | or I suppose it doesn't matter if they live inthe files |
| 02:42.50 | brlcad | i believe so, but shouldn't matter |
| 02:43.59 | starseeker | oh, while I'm thinking about it - I have a hunch that parallel build failure is in some way shape or form the falt of xsltproc |
| 02:47.42 | starseeker | unfortunately, the alternatives all seem to be java based |
| 03:02.20 | starseeker | emails xslt list |
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| 13:45.17 | brlcad | http://www.junauza.com/2009/12/free-and-open-source-cad-software-for.html |
| 13:49.02 | alex_joni | another nice (although really young one) is HeeksCad (also OpenCascade based) |
| 13:49.12 | alex_joni | http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/ |
| 14:31.13 | ``Erik | wait, what? O.o damn, I musta been confused |
| 14:51.16 | ``Erik | that whole voodoo needs to be redone :/ |
| 14:52.05 | brlcad | the metavoodoo? |
| 14:52.26 | ``Erik | heh, yeah, walking meatball voodoo |
| 14:52.59 | ``Erik | the find intersection function will be core to the next ... implementation |
| 14:53.25 | ``Erik | will probably cost performance, but *shrug* |
| 15:04.13 | starseeker | brlcad: FreeCAD looks great, but I have yet to successfully compile it even on gentoo |
| 15:04.39 | starseeker | heh - nifty, they used my dxf probe model screenshot |
| 15:06.11 | starseeker | varkon I've got working but haven't put the time into actually figuring out - it's GPL so we can't use it anyhow... |
| 15:08.00 | starseeker | that's easily one of the niftier varkon screenshots I've seen |
| 15:09.38 | starseeker | one interesting thing about varkon is they apparently do parametric stuff |
| 15:12.43 | brlcad | hates paperwork |
| 15:13.19 | brlcad | thinks it's funny they used the tux render |
| 15:13.30 | brlcad | but we did get top billing, good times ;) |
| 15:14.12 | starseeker | yes, that's interesting - particularly since FreeCAD is kicking our butts in the "modern CAD GUI with drawing generation and stuff..." department |
| 15:14.37 | starseeker | suggests an intelligent reviewer :-) |
| 15:14.46 | brlcad | they lack most of the nuts and bolts, actual usefulness |
| 15:15.01 | brlcad | but yeah, gui is not too shabby |
| 15:15.09 | brlcad | wouldn't take much to one-up them though |
| 15:15.14 | starseeker | hehe |
| 15:16.13 | starseeker | if they're for real about that STEP part to svg drawing extraction, that's not too shabby |
| 15:16.40 | brlcad | opencascade does that for them |
| 15:16.46 | starseeker | ah |
| 15:17.33 | starseeker | wonders if a step export capabilitiy would let us get some good out of opencascade... |
| 15:17.39 | ``Erik | 'larrabee is dead' http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356725,00.asp |
| 15:18.08 | brlcad | there was a /. earlier in the week |
| 15:18.17 | brlcad | "dead for consumer, but not as a dev platform" |
| 15:18.20 | brlcad | something to that effect |
| 15:20.15 | starseeker | snorts in bemusement - they must be rather red faced after all that promotion this summer |
| 15:21.27 | starseeker | hopes freecad does well - good for open source if they can expose opencascade's abilities in a usable interface |
| 15:24.42 | brlcad | hopes freecad does well, despite using opencascade |
| 15:25.45 | brlcad | opencascade isn't a healthy project to utilizing, particularly for collaboration |
| 15:26.10 | starseeker | do they still have that funny license? |
| 15:26.29 | brlcad | as our Geometry Engine API comes to fruition, hopefully projects will have more options for CAD frameworks to build upon |
| 15:27.41 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:28.57 | starseeker | 3d shaded displays, parametric modeling, and the whole drawings thing... guess I'd better get busy :-P |
| 15:29.54 | brlcad | and that's just noting the features that we don't support |
| 15:30.08 | brlcad | we actually do a lot more than opencascade |
| 15:30.12 | brlcad | just not in a clean API |
| 15:30.34 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | we really need major refactoring to leverage and better present what we have too |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | get the core libs cleaned up as stand-alone projects |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | get the converts into a library of their own |
| 15:31.10 | starseeker | yep - I was surprised to hear the framebuffer stuff supported imagemagick style maniulations |
| 15:31.10 | brlcad | same for the data processing tools |
| 15:31.22 | starseeker | and I work on this sucker full time :-P |
| 15:31.23 | brlcad | get that all wrapped up into one unified API |
| 15:32.54 | brlcad | yeah, the fb stuff is kind of funny .. you could almost implement a mini photoshop/gimp clone if you put all our tools into one gui .. and have it be fully scriptable via commands |
| 15:33.18 | brlcad | granted, maybe "photoshop 3", but not too shabby for something entirely not our focus, just core needs |
| 15:33.51 | brlcad | the image processing stuff isn't as interesting, though, as our geometry conversion capability and data/signal processing tools |
| 15:34.05 | brlcad | image processing has come a long way since then |
| 15:35.09 | starseeker | oh, speaking of conversion - do you know of a good list of "object types in cad formats" anywhere? sort of a "dxf supports..., 3dm supports..." sorta comparison? |
| 15:35.27 | brlcad | heck, if we had a solid geometry conversion capability alone, that would kick up our community usage substantially (everyone needs geometry) |
| 15:35.47 | brlcad | no, not really |
| 15:35.58 | starseeker | shucks |
| 15:36.01 | brlcad | would make a nice chart |
| 15:36.07 | brlcad | features list |
| 15:36.12 | starseeker | was thinking about making one |
| 15:36.16 | starseeker | for converter status |
| 15:36.35 | brlcad | i've seen some informal one on a site somewhere a long while back |
| 15:36.42 | starseeker | sorta a way to represent "yes we do obj, but not NURBS - please add that" |
| 15:37.06 | starseeker | or "we do 3dm nurbs, but not meshes" |
| 15:37.39 | starseeker | supposes he could just grab all the object types in step and assume that would conver everything... |
| 15:38.50 | starseeker | also, such a list would be helpful for "pivoting" between formats |
| 15:39.08 | brlcad | nice lil start, http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/3DGeometryAndModelingFormats.html |
| 15:41.17 | starseeker | reflects he could always go the mathematical categorization route, has the advantage of being format agnostic |
| 15:42.13 | brlcad | yeah, there are various "features" encompassed by a given format, and it's capabilities |
| 15:42.18 | brlcad | numeric capabilities |
| 15:42.21 | brlcad | geometric |
| 15:42.32 | brlcad | representation types |
| 15:43.14 | brlcad | categorizations (object counts, groupings, layerings, hierarchies) |
| 15:43.43 | brlcad | connectivity and associations |
| 15:43.55 | brlcad | construction history, revisions |
| 15:44.15 | starseeker | yeah, the more I think about it that's the way to go - the internal libgcv representation shouldn't be any particular CAD file format (even .g) since that would by definition limit what the conversion routines could handle to what the format could handle |
| 15:44.36 | brlcad | parametric support, annotations, non-geometric entities, animation entities, kinematic controls, ... |
| 15:45.54 | brlcad | that's nice to say, but probably not practical -- depends where/how you draw the line |
| 15:46.07 | starseeker | sure |
| 15:46.12 | brlcad | something has to process the data, and in libgcv's case, that'd be libgcv and librt |
| 15:46.46 | brlcad | and if librt is processing the data, it's basically .g, but just in an in-memory form |
| 15:47.03 | starseeker | dunno - I'd have to think about it some |
| 15:47.32 | brlcad | there's only one format I know of that was designed to try and capture anything/everything, that being STEP |
| 15:47.43 | brlcad | it's basically union of all CAD formats |
| 15:47.54 | brlcad | even where it makes no sense whatsoever |
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| 15:48.42 | brlcad | our format is the next closest, though only "supporting" unsupported features through opaque binary storage |
| 15:48.58 | starseeker | which isn't very helpful for conversion |
| 15:49.03 | brlcad | STEPs not exactly an in-memory format either |
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| 15:49.43 | brlcad | it can be, but pita to use that way |
| 15:49.54 | starseeker | nods |
| 15:50.27 | brlcad | structurally, we're one of the most flexible by far, given we started on the CSG side of the spectrum with implicits |
| 15:51.25 | brlcad | try stashing a hyperboloid of one sheet in implicit form into STEP (maybe possible, but I'm sure we have a few that aren't) |
| 15:52.00 | brlcad | a table would be interesting |
| 15:52.10 | starseeker | But I was under the impression that you didn't want to have support for non-3d objects in BRL-CAD except as subsets of sketch, which would seem rather convoluted from the standpoint of conversion (most systems seem to be fine with storing loose curves, for example) |
| 15:52.24 | brlcad | it's be a freaking huge table, hundreds of features to consider |
| 15:52.34 | starseeker | yep |
| 15:53.00 | starseeker | accurate representation of the complexity of the task though |
| 15:54.03 | brlcad | that's not been an intentional impression -- annotations are non-3d, image objects, material objects, shader objects, wireframe objects.. |
| 15:55.00 | brlcad | that said |
| 15:55.05 | brlcad | I don't believe we should focus on our weakest points |
| 15:55.22 | brlcad | our focus is solid modeling |
| 15:55.40 | brlcad | the other entity types would be fine to have, but we have very limited resources |
| 15:56.05 | brlcad | rather do what we do very well than do a lot half-assed |
| 15:56.36 | starseeker | sure - I'm not saying we focus on doing anything with them, just know enough about them to convert them in the libraries so other apps will be inclined to use our converters |
| 15:56.41 | ``Erik | "BRL-CAD - the whole ass." |
| 15:56.45 | starseeker | (and enhance them) |
| 15:56.49 | brlcad | ``Erik: :) |
| 15:58.07 | brlcad | i'd have no problem with basic I/O support so things are preserved.. never been an issue |
| 15:58.16 | brlcad | just a matter of how |
| 15:58.24 | brlcad | and what |
| 16:00.04 | brlcad | especially for things that can be generalized in a useful manner, and seamlessly integrated, not as one-offs |
| 16:00.27 | starseeker | right |
| 16:01.40 | starseeker | I just think it deserves some careful planning and thought up front, so the converters can expand as needed to encompass what needs to be encompassed to successfully perform high quality geometry conversions |
| 16:02.10 | starseeker | if that needs .g changes rel8 seems the logical time :-) |
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| 16:05.29 | starseeker | hey jesica__ :-) |
| 16:05.40 | jesica__ | good morning :P |
| 16:06.52 | jesica__ | today is holiday! excellent! |
| 16:14.07 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36831 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: Collapse duplicate functionality. Allow multiple regions in the local load callback. Use librt's timing routines. |
| 16:22.00 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36832 10/isst/trunk/src/ (gui.c net_worker.c): move load_frame_attribute() into net_worker.c |
| 16:29.09 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36833 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: default to PNG and flip image for screeshot. |
| 16:29.48 | jesica__ | starseeker, have you ever drink mate? |
| 16:35.20 | starseeker | jesica__: uh, what? |
| 16:37.11 | jesica__ | mate is a warm drink like the coffe, but itve a special procedure to prepare |
| 16:39.04 | starseeker | ah, no I get my caffine from soda |
| 16:40.25 | brlcad | starseeker: sure, but that is also exactly the balance that has to be struck.. the "careful planning and thought up front" all take valuable time and energy from other potential tasks, so also have to be careful to not overinvest effort for something that isn't a strong suit |
| 16:40.45 | brlcad | getting our existing converters cleaned up and turned into an API for *exactly* what they do now, would be a huge win |
| 16:41.12 | brlcad | and that's a crapload of work in itself |
| 16:41.36 | brlcad | jesica__: happy holiday! :) |
| 16:41.46 | jesica__ | idem :) |
| 16:42.47 | jesica__ | im trying to convert the xml to pdf by myself |
| 16:42.55 | jesica__ | starseeker, its not so easy |
| 16:43.12 | brlcad | jesica__: did you get an svn checkout? |
| 16:43.24 | jesica__ | and i can drive emacs, god! i cant even read it wel |
| 16:43.31 | jesica__ | mmm no |
| 16:43.44 | brlcad | do you have svn installed? |
| 16:43.55 | jesica__ | mmm no |
| 16:44.07 | brlcad | heh, can you install it? :) |
| 16:44.35 | jesica__ | i think so |
| 16:45.54 | brlcad | if you install it, you can get a copy of the sources that will stay synchronized with the rest of us |
| 16:46.28 | jesica__ | something similar to starseeker send me yesterday? |
| 16:48.47 | jesica__ | well, the thing is that starseeker told me some days ago that he`ve done the conversion with emacs and i thougt it is a good oportunity to learn to use emacs |
| 16:50.46 | jesica__ | I have limited knowledge in regard to computing in general, but im trying to change that it the tidiest way :) |
| 16:51.52 | jesica__ | learning separate things without an order, so then unit them all togheter and see what happen between them |
| 16:52.19 | jesica__ | rarest things can happen, i swear |
| 16:52.54 | brlcad | learn |
| 16:52.59 | brlcad | er, sorry |
| 16:53.06 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36834 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/lessons/es/mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml: an initial revision of the spanish translation work being done by Jesica Giudice (with some support from Federico Calvo) |
| 16:53.06 | brlcad | learning emacs is a great thing :) |
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| 16:54.38 | brlcad | this was very helpful for me when I was learning: http://brlcad.org/~sean/emacs_22_reference_card.pdf |
| 16:55.06 | brlcad | lo siento que no lo tengo en espa?ol |
| 16:56.04 | jesica__ | shoul i translate this too, jajja |
| 16:56.04 | jesica__ | wow, such a large cheatsheet! |
| 16:57.03 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36835 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/Makefile.am: add the .es lesson to the dist |
| 17:04.06 | jesica__ | i saw emacs uses a particularly nerd? way to explain its function |
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| 17:08.53 | jesica__ | brlcad, somebody told my that it uses to delay :P |
| 17:08.53 | jesica__ | oh no, more irc on english!!! |
| 17:08.56 | brlcad | they're good people, easy to talk to |
| 17:08.57 | brlcad | it's not that much of a delay |
| 17:08.57 | brlcad | not for account creation |
| 17:09.03 | brlcad | creating new projects has a delay |
| 17:09.11 | brlcad | they are manually reviewed and approved |
| 17:09.18 | brlcad | but not new accounts |
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| 17:18.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36836 10/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS: Credit Jesica Guidice for her work translating our documentation to Spanish. Met via irc channel, her first contribution was on Vol IIs tutorial lessons. Thanks! |
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| 17:18.24 | brlcad | jesica__: hopefully spelled your name right? :) |
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| 17:19.02 | jesica__ | what did i now, ugh! |
| 17:19.27 | brlcad | nothing bad, I just credited you in our authorship file |
| 17:23.44 | jesica__ | which parametres SF verifies to calculate the percentage of activity? |
| 17:24.07 | brlcad | which activity? |
| 17:24.15 | jesica__ | yours is realy high |
| 17:24.45 | jesica__ | the activity of the project |
| 17:26.20 | brlcad | takes in download statistics, sourcecode commits, forum postings, webpage views, iirc |
| 17:27.08 | jesica__ | aaaah irc :) jejjeje |
| 17:27.11 | brlcad | tracker mods too |
| 17:27.16 | brlcad | not irc :) |
| 17:27.29 | brlcad | iirc == if i recall correctly |
| 17:27.34 | brlcad | se recuerdo bien |
| 17:27.38 | brlcad | si* |
| 17:27.56 | jesica__ | ops |
| 17:29.28 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36837 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/doc/docbook/fop.xconf.in: Hmm, somehow fop.xconf.in didn't make it into STABLE. |
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| 17:41.26 | mafm | heh :) |
| 17:41.37 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36838 10/isst/trunk/src/gui.c: use CLAMP from vmath |
| 17:43.28 | jesica__ | starseeker, you used fop on emacs? |
| 17:43.55 | jesica__ | i used it on vim, but not succefully |
| 17:44.13 | starseeker | fop is a command line tool |
| 17:44.44 | starseeker | jesica__: let me start from the beginning |
| 17:44.48 | starseeker | (one second) |
| 17:45.00 | jesica__ | well, so fop do the job, not emacs! |
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| 17:49.15 | starseeker | the process of converting from docbook to pdf: |
| 17:49.27 | starseeker | use xsltproc to generate a .fo file |
| 17:49.39 | starseeker | use fop to convert the fo file to a pdf file |
| 17:50.14 | starseeker | look in doc/docbook |
| 17:50.52 | starseeker | what Operating System are you using? |
| 17:52.22 | starseeker | here is what I did to convert your file to an html file: |
| 17:52.36 | starseeker | mkdir doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 17:53.14 | starseeker | cp mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml doc/docbook/lessons/es/ |
| 17:53.52 | starseeker | cd doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 17:53.53 | jesica__ | OS: debian |
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| 17:54.29 | starseeker | ok |
| 17:54.49 | starseeker | once in doc/docbook/lessons/es with your file in that directory, run this command to create html: |
| 17:56.02 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html ../../resources/standard/xsl/xhtml-1_1/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 17:56.08 | starseeker | (one line) |
| 17:57.56 | starseeker | to create pdf file, first do this line: |
| 17:57.57 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo ../../resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 17:58.02 | starseeker | then do this one: |
| 17:58.19 | starseeker | fop mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo -pdf mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 17:58.23 | ``Erik | ('cept xsltproc might not be in /usr/bin/, location should be set as a variable from configure) |
| 17:58.38 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'm assuming she's doing it manually |
| 17:58.51 | starseeker | so yes, wherever xsltproc is on your system |
| 17:59.25 | ``Erik | okie, figured that stuff'd go into a Makefile.am awfully soon :) |
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| 18:01.18 | starseeker | ``Erik: will take a little time to get a feel for the LANG variables and such - also, need to have per-lang makefiles that are included at the top level |
| 18:02.03 | starseeker | jesica__: did that work for you? |
| 18:02.53 | jesica__ | starseeker, wait a moment please, ill try in a few minutes |
| 18:32.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36839 10/brlcad/trunk/doc/docbook/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Start splitting up and including Makefile components for docbook |
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| 22:51.40 | jesica__ | starseeker, are you there? |
| 23:03.39 | starseeker | yes |
| 23:03.47 | starseeker | what's up? |
| 23:04.07 | jesica__ | well, i just change my debian lenny for debian sid |
| 23:04.18 | jesica__ | and installed xsltproc |
| 23:04.25 | jesica__ | i was reading the man |
| 23:04.41 | jesica__ | (i couldn do this with lenny :P) |
| 23:06.00 | jesica__ | (ah, ive sent the file by brlcad-devel list) |
| 23:08.22 | starseeker | jesica__: excellent, thanks :-) |
| 23:09.03 | starseeker | is reading up on how to localize docbook output for various languages |
| 23:10.44 | jesica__ | you showed me how to make the conversion from html, but my file is a xml |
| 23:12.05 | jesica__ | mmm... no, i thing im confused |
| 23:12.34 | starseeker | I showed you how to do it from xml |
| 23:12.39 | jesica__ | guide me if you can |
| 23:12.46 | starseeker | ok |
| 23:13.15 | starseeker | first, did you check out the subversion copy of BRL-CAD? |
| 23:13.30 | jesica__ | no |
| 23:13.36 | starseeker | ok, do that first |
| 23:13.42 | starseeker | ~cadsvn |
| 23:13.43 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 23:20.34 | jesica__ | done |
| 23:20.41 | starseeker | ok. |
| 23:21.08 | starseeker | now copy the latest copy of your xml file to doc/docbook/lessons/es/ |
| 23:23.16 | starseeker | ok? |
| 23:24.50 | jesica__ | mmm no, svn check... bring me the hole source code? i didnt understand what it did |
| 23:24.59 | starseeker | yes |
| 23:25.08 | starseeker | you have a brlcad directory? |
| 23:25.23 | starseeker | if so, do: |
| 23:25.32 | starseeker | cd brlcad/ |
| 23:25.44 | starseeker | ls |
| 23:25.51 | starseeker | you should see a doc directory |
| 23:26.42 | jesica__ | yes :) |
| 23:26.56 | starseeker | ok, now do cd doc/docbook/ |
| 23:27.04 | starseeker | you will see lessons directory |
| 23:27.28 | starseeker | then cd lessons/es |
| 23:27.33 | jesica__ | yes |
| 23:27.45 | starseeker | remove the xml document there and replace it with your current version of the file |
| 23:27.50 | jesica__ | done |
| 23:27.58 | starseeker | now, do this: |
| 23:28.11 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html ../../resources/standard/xsl/xhtml-1_1/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 23:28.38 | starseeker | that should generate an html file |
| 23:28.44 | jesica__ | stand on the same directory? or that doesnt mather? |
| 23:28.55 | starseeker | in the same directory as the xml file |
| 23:30.09 | jesica__ | done |
| 23:30.20 | starseeker | did you get an html file? |
| 23:30.30 | jesica__ | yes |
| 23:30.39 | starseeker | ok, open it :-) |
| 23:31.00 | jesica__ | ah? |
| 23:31.20 | starseeker | web browser |
| 23:31.20 | jesica__ | ah? |
| 23:31.32 | starseeker | firefox mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.html |
| 23:31.44 | ``Erik | that html file is the end product |
| 23:32.50 | jesica__ | starseeker, so now with fop i can convers it to pdf? |
| 23:33.01 | starseeker | ok, for pdf do this: |
| 23:33.15 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=../../catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo ../../resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 23:33.29 | starseeker | then, this: |
| 23:33.37 | starseeker | fop mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo -pdf mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 23:34.00 | jesica__ | to use fop i alwais have to give it a .fo? |
| 23:34.12 | starseeker | that is how our build system works |
| 23:34.13 | jesica__ | cant i jump this step? |
| 23:34.18 | jesica__ | ok |
| 23:34.37 | starseeker | just save those commands in a script if you want to re-run them a lot |
| 23:34.44 | starseeker | for editing work, I recommend html output |
| 23:35.16 | starseeker | once I update our build system to be multi-language, you will be able to use the build logic to do this for you |
| 23:35.37 | starseeker | (working on that now, will probably be a couple days) |
| 23:35.58 | ``Erik | starseeker: examined the fbsd version for generating the handbook? |
| 23:36.19 | starseeker | hmm? FreeBSD uses docbook too? |
| 23:36.28 | ``Erik | docbook/jade, yes |
| 23:36.33 | starseeker | had looked at the firebird manual, not FreeBSD |
| 23:37.03 | starseeker | we seem to be doing this much more "automake-ish" than most projects |
| 23:37.06 | jesica__ | the images are not displayed :-/ |
| 23:37.10 | starseeker | jesica__: that's OK |
| 23:37.14 | jesica__ | in pdf |
| 23:37.26 | jesica__ | you think? :) |
| 23:37.40 | starseeker | if you need them, we need to do this: |
| 23:37.49 | starseeker | cd ../../ |
| 23:38.00 | starseeker | (you should be in the doc/docbook directory) |
| 23:38.13 | jesica__ | aha |
| 23:38.15 | starseeker | then, run this command: |
| 23:38.22 | jesica__ | aaah |
| 23:38.44 | jesica__ | becouse the imagen are in that directory? |
| 23:39.01 | starseeker | XML_CATALOG_FILES=./catalog.xml /usr/bin/xsltproc -nonet -xinclude -o mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo ./resources/standard/xsl/fo/docbook.xsl mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 23:39.13 | starseeker | yes, the xml file links to the images |
| 23:39.44 | starseeker | there is a very specific hierarchy to the docbook directories and the way images are linked - reasons are a bit complex |
| 23:39.53 | starseeker | did you create new fo file? |
| 23:40.14 | starseeker | once you have, do again fop mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.fo -pdf mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.pdf |
| 23:40.24 | starseeker | that pdf should have images |
| 23:40.31 | jesica__ | ok |
| 23:41.23 | starseeker | jesica__: to do parallel make (many files at once) we controll all build logic from the doc/docbook directory |
| 23:41.56 | starseeker | jesica__: did that work? |
| 23:41.59 | jesica__ | starseeker, you did this program? |
| 23:42.04 | starseeker | mostly |
| 23:42.09 | starseeker | the build logic anyway |
| 23:42.18 | starseeker | the docbook tools are by others (many others) |
| 23:42.47 | starseeker | ``Erik did the original source code build logic, I am just doing doc/docbook |
| 23:44.34 | jesica__ | starseeker, maybe for that i only found information of this program in sourceforge and in a log of brlcad :) |
| 23:45.25 | starseeker | docbook building is a bit specialized |
| 23:46.50 | jesica__ | starseeker, thank for helping, its a great pleasure work with all you |
| 23:48.12 | starseeker | no problem - thanks for your work! |
| 23:48.20 | starseeker | what would you like to work on next? |
| 23:48.22 | jesica__ | i feel confortable in this chanel and glad to do something usefull for your effort |
| 23:48.51 | jesica__ | now? i began the second file |
| 23:49.00 | starseeker | excellent :-) |
| 23:49.15 | starseeker | the same commands will work, just change the file names |
| 23:49.21 | ``Erik | doesn't think he's touched the doc/ dir in over five years, don't blame him for that mess O.O :D *duck* |
| 23:49.45 | jesica__ | starseeker, i understood enought to do it again correctly :) |
| 23:52.12 | jesica__ | Ill do the following slower because I have to study for the test i didnt doyesterday :P |
| 23:52.25 | starseeker | no rush :-) |
| 23:52.33 | jesica__ | but ill do it, i promise |
| 23:54.19 | jesica__ | I'll use ' since now, despite not being so confortable |
| 23:54.29 | starseeker | ``Erik: I'd argue it SHOWS that nobody had really touched the doc directory in a few years <snort> |
| 23:54.45 | starseeker | jesica__: take your time |
| 23:59.12 | jesica__ | starseeker, the following error happened when fop runing |
| 23:59.15 | *** join/#brlcad akafubu (n=akafubu@unaffiliated/akafubu) |
| 23:59.29 | jesica__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.41 | starseeker | jesica__: that can be ignored, I see that for english docs too |