| 00:00.00 | jesica__ | Line 1 of a paragraph overflows the available area. (fo:block, location |
| 00:00.00 | starseeker | fop is not perfect, but it's the only free tool for this job |
| 00:00.11 | starseeker | jesica__: does the pdf look OK? |
| 00:01.10 | jesica__ | papparently |
| 00:02.15 | jesica__ | apparently :P |
| 00:02.19 | starseeker | jesica__: you're fine then |
| 00:02.26 | starseeker | I see those errors too |
| 00:02.57 | jesica__ | but what it means? maybe is better to chage it |
| 00:03.07 | starseeker | jesica__: I haven't checked into it yet |
| 00:03.18 | starseeker | jesica__: would have to read the fop documentation |
| 00:03.32 | starseeker | configuring fop is no picnic |
| 00:03.41 | jesica__ | :) |
| 00:04.33 | jesica__ | at least, I'didnt use emacs :( |
| 00:05.16 | starseeker | you're doing find |
| 00:05.17 | starseeker | er fine |
| 00:05.35 | starseeker | nxml + emacs is useful, but since you are translating it is not critical |
| 00:05.40 | starseeker | more important for new files |
| 00:06.24 | jesica__ | there will be oportunity I guess |
| 00:07.13 | starseeker | sure :-) |
| 00:07.35 | starseeker | right now though, more important to get sourceforge account and learn to use subversion |
| 00:07.52 | starseeker | did you send an email to the sourceforge help system? |
| 00:10.31 | jesica__ | mmm... no |
| 00:10.35 | jesica__ | why |
| 00:10.42 | starseeker | you still can't log in, correct? |
| 00:10.52 | ``Erik | vim has an XML syntax package that might be useful |
| 00:10.55 | jesica__ | no, I can now |
| 00:11.07 | starseeker | oh, excellent |
| 00:11.19 | starseeker | then let's try something |
| 00:11.22 | ``Erik | folding, highlighting, matching, linting, ... |
| 00:11.31 | starseeker | cd into your brlcad checkout |
| 00:11.41 | starseeker | cd brlcad/doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 00:11.42 | jesica__ | but I'd create with my hotmail :P |
| 00:11.48 | starseeker | run the command svn diff |
| 00:12.04 | jesica__ | that bothers me |
| 00:12.46 | starseeker | does svn diff show anything? |
| 00:13.26 | jesica__ | no |
| 00:13.45 | jesica__ | that sounds fine? |
| 00:14.07 | jesica__ | fine/good |
| 00:15.44 | starseeker | um - you copied your newest copy of the xml file to that directory? |
| 00:16.18 | jesica__ | starseeker, ah? |
| 00:16.29 | starseeker | if not, do so and try again |
| 00:16.39 | starseeker | should replace the xml file already there |
| 00:17.38 | jesica__ | replace? |
| 00:21.03 | starseeker | brlcad uploaded a verion of your translation to that directory already |
| 00:21.27 | starseeker | unless you didn't make any changes, if you remove the old one and put your new one in svn diff should show those changes |
| 00:21.51 | starseeker | so: |
| 00:22.02 | starseeker | cd brlcad/doc/docbook/lessons/es |
| 00:22.21 | starseeker | rm mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 00:22.39 | starseeker | copy in your latest mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 00:22.43 | starseeker | then run svn diff |
| 00:22.46 | jesica__ | starseeker, first, remember I've changed the name of the file |
| 00:22.52 | jesica__ | it's in spanish |
| 00:22.52 | starseeker | to? |
| 00:22.57 | starseeker | erm |
| 00:22.58 | jesica__ | yes |
| 00:23.00 | starseeker | oh, OK |
| 00:23.16 | starseeker | do do this: |
| 00:23.26 | starseeker | svn del mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.xml |
| 00:23.34 | jesica__ | but it was which I've sent to brlcad-devel |
| 00:23.42 | starseeker | svn add *your_new_filename* |
| 00:24.27 | starseeker | then try svn diff again |
| 00:26.26 | jesica__ | starseeker, could you explain to me what that do? because I'll forget everything tomorrow if I can't understand |
| 00:30.15 | jesica__ | I'm sick :P |
| 00:30.33 | starseeker | the idea is for you to be able to upload your files and changes to them directly into the main source code tree |
| 00:30.45 | starseeker | to do this, you will need a working sourceforge account |
| 00:30.58 | starseeker | when brlcad comes back, he can enable your account to send changes to the tree |
| 00:31.15 | starseeker | the svn commands I am showing you are steps in that process |
| 00:31.30 | jesica__ | wow, that sounds good, but hard |
| 00:31.49 | jesica__ | juantelez was right when said I'll learn a lot of thing with this |
| 00:32.22 | starseeker | not so hard, just a few commands to learn |
| 00:32.35 | starseeker | once it is set up and you have done it a few times, it will be easy :-) |
| 00:32.40 | jesica__ | but a lot of thing to understand |
| 00:32.59 | starseeker | when it is all new, it is a lot to understand :-) |
| 00:33.04 | jesica__ | don't wanna copy withno understanding |
| 00:35.00 | starseeker | don't worry - you will understand |
| 00:35.17 | starseeker | subversion (svn) manages our source code and documentation |
| 00:35.40 | starseeker | it retains history, so earlier versions can be viewed and changes between versions can be found |
| 00:36.15 | starseeker | when making changes, developers send changes to the central server (sourceforge) to be saved |
| 00:36.49 | starseeker | so when you did "svn checkout" you were asking subversion to send you a copy of the source code and documentation with all the latest changes |
| 00:36.51 | jesica__ | the XML_CATAL.. comand call some binary of xsltproc and read destination file first and origin second? |
| 00:37.14 | jesica__ | i ask myself why the comand is so large |
| 00:37.33 | starseeker | it is being supplied many arguments - paths to files not in its local directory |
| 00:37.44 | starseeker | this is normally handled by our build system |
| 00:37.59 | starseeker | you can just type "make" and get html and pdf output (pdf only when fop is installed) |
| 00:38.16 | starseeker | up until now, only english documentation was available |
| 00:38.20 | starseeker | so build system assumed this |
| 00:38.26 | starseeker | now that assumption is not true |
| 00:38.33 | starseeker | so I am making the system more flexible |
| 00:38.50 | starseeker | once I am done, you will be able to tell the make process to build spanish documentation |
| 00:39.00 | starseeker | and you will just type "make" to get latest html/pdf |
| 00:39.17 | starseeker | commands are long still, but generated automatically |
| 00:42.26 | jesica__ | ...and reads destination file first and origin second? |
| 00:50.18 | ``Erik | grabs a serial line and heads back into the pit to fight the ARM thingie |
| 00:51.02 | starseeker | yes, although there is an additional argument between them |
| 00:51.19 | starseeker | run man xsltproc to see details |
| 00:58.33 | jesica__ | yes I see |
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| 01:12.50 | jesica__ | starseeker, good night, thanks again |
| 01:12.59 | starseeker | you're welcome! |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36841 10/brlcad/trunk/ (14 files in 9 dirs): |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: OK, this is very crude and has no awareness of posix locale stuff, but add the |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: ability to toggle doc building using --with-lang compile option. Currently, |
| 01:47.13 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: only --with-lang=es will do anything, but it will switch off english doc |
| 01:47.14 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: building and build whatever spanish docs are available (currently lesson one). |
| 01:47.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: Needs much more work, but this will get it off the ground. |
| 01:47.54 | starseeker | phew |
| 01:50.12 | louipc | what if you just want to build everything? |
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| 02:34.25 | ``Erik | O.O |
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| 02:42.03 | ``Erik | FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #0: Sat Dec 5 08:24:01 EST 2009 erik@fenris:/usr/obj/arm/usr/src/sys/DB-88F6XXX arm |
| 02:47.59 | starseeker | ``Erik: you got it? |
| 02:48.32 | starseeker | louipc: that's one of the reasons it's crude ;-) |
| 02:48.57 | starseeker | a "lang=all" option could turn on everything, I just have to set that up |
| 02:49.11 | starseeker | I just tonight got it doing any sort of conditional anything |
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| 03:01.03 | ``Erik | it's running, but via tftp/nfs... it's not liking the big honkin' usb disk very much and I haven't gotten around to making the bootloader understand ufs/ffs yet |
| 03:01.50 | ``Erik | had to fix a power supply to get the serial client working again to attach to the debug port O.o |
| 03:09.08 | starseeker | ow |
| 03:09.36 | starseeker | is awed by the lengths you are willing to go to to attain minimal computing power ;-) |
| 03:10.07 | starseeker | (he says as he glances at his hard disk full of things like original CADR lisp machine schematics...) |
| 03:11.18 | starseeker | grrrr - why does it not like the src/other Makefile.am setups... |
| 03:12.20 | ``Erik | given that you drive a civic, I find your awe at my selecting "adequate performance with superior efficiency" odd O.o :D *duck* |
| 03:15.00 | ``Erik | the only moving part in this beastie will be the hard drive O.o that's awesome right there |
| 03:16.26 | ``Erik | low power, tiny machine, nifty blue LED, unusual architecture... it's all awesome :D |
| 03:28.17 | starseeker | ``Erik: you're a cad weenie. There's no such thing as "adequate", there's only least inadquate :-P |
| 03:28.25 | starseeker | but yes, I concede the awesomeness |
| 03:28.43 | starseeker | especially when you hack it to have a solid state drive |
| 03:31.00 | ``Erik | heh, still consider myself more of a systems weenie than a cad weenie... :) |
| 03:31.16 | ``Erik | and it already has a 4G NAND flash drive in it |
| 03:31.32 | ``Erik | but I want to use the 1.5tb usb dealie |
| 03:31.43 | ``Erik | at least for bulk storage |
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| 04:02.22 | ``Erik | <-- watches the snow come down O.o |
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| 07:12.24 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:14.41 | superlinux | well this is my 2nd day in brlcad and I want to know how can i keep the drawing display running as ogl if I just typed on the terminal "mged"? |
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| 09:02.40 | superlinux | dli, ? |
| 09:02.50 | superlinux | hi dli are you ther? |
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| 12:20.53 | dli | superlinux, hi |
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| 12:39.04 | superlinux | dli, hi |
| 12:39.14 | superlinux | you were lucky to find me |
| 12:39.21 | superlinux | well this is my 2nd day in brlcad and I want to know how can i keep the drawing display running as ogl if I just typed on the terminal "mged"? |
| 12:40.27 | superlinux | and I have another problem. the drawing display does not really keep refreshed |
| 12:40.44 | superlinux | __monty__, can you please help |
| 12:41.20 | __monty__ | I'm sorry I can't help you, I can't even get brlcad to run yet. |
| 12:41.28 | __monty__ | *mged |
| 12:41.47 | superlinux | I have to minimize then maximize the program to see it correctly |
| 12:41.57 | superlinux | __monty__, what are you using? |
| 12:42.03 | superlinux | i can help you |
| 12:42.20 | superlinux | Linux? |
| 12:42.23 | __monty__ | mac os X, if that's what you mean |
| 12:42.29 | superlinux | mmm |
| 12:42.40 | superlinux | I used Linux Ubuntu |
| 12:42.49 | superlinux | it ran off the box |
| 12:43.09 | __monty__ | It used to for me too, but now I get a Bus error. |
| 12:43.12 | superlinux | I mean out of the box |
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| 12:44.12 | __monty__ | Sorry, my laptop battery just ran out. |
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| 12:58.04 | superlinux | __monty__, the Linux version ran directly with me |
| 12:59.06 | __monty__ | Yeah, the mac version used to aswell, but now it doesn't. Or do you mean you're using the linux version on a mac? |
| 13:00.35 | superlinux | no |
| 13:01.05 | superlinux | I am using Ubuntu intel over a tochiba Laptop |
| 13:01.17 | superlinux | __monty__, |
| 13:01.28 | __monty__ | Ok. |
| 13:01.46 | superlinux | which BrlCAD version? |
| 13:02.01 | superlinux | i am using the x.10 |
| 13:02.16 | superlinux | i am using the 7.10 |
| 13:02.25 | __monty__ | Latest binary from brlcad.org, latest tarball, latest svn. |
| 13:02.30 | superlinux | th 7.12 not yet |
| 13:02.48 | superlinux | let me try compiling the 12 |
| 13:03.19 | __monty__ | Ok, your help is much appreciated. |
| 13:08.52 | superlinux | __monty__, it will take me some time to download it. I am in Lebanon and we have a basic DSL |
| 13:09.11 | __monty__ | That's ok. |
| 13:09.44 | __monty__ | Who could I complain when you're trying to help. |
| 13:13.57 | starseeker | erm |
| 13:13.59 | starseeker | cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
| 13:13.59 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c: In function âbu_crashreportâ: |
| 13:13.59 | starseeker | ../../../brlcad/src/libbu/crashreport.c:75: error: format not a string literal and no format arguments |
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| 14:02.13 | ``Erik | opengl will not do 'shaded' displays nor will it give a significant performance increase, it's probably safer to use X |
| 14:02.50 | ``Erik | 7.10 and 7.12 are pretty old, should be on 7.16.2 these days |
| 14:03.55 | dli | superlinux, I'm dont know about opengl support. :( I guess you mean opengl |
| 14:07.33 | dli | superlinux, I checked ./configure, opengl support seems to be auto detected |
| 14:08.30 | dli | superlinux, or to specify, ./configure --with-ogl |
| 14:11.01 | starseeker | must not have synced stable right |
| 14:12.13 | superlinux | dli, ok |
| 14:12.55 | superlinux | dli, what i notcied is that the window where the drawing appears does not stay on |
| 14:13.30 | dli | superlinux, as <``Erik> says, maybe, you can play with and without opengl |
| 14:13.31 | superlinux | like i must minimize and maximize to make it clear |
| 14:15.05 | ``Erik | superlinux: the ogl display manager has a known issue where redraw events are not being sent correctly all the time... seriously, dude, use the X display, it's visually identical :) |
| 14:15.09 | superlinux | every time i move a window over it then i move it out of it that display turns grey |
| 14:15.35 | superlinux | so ``Erik how can i use the X display? |
| 14:15.44 | superlinux | i am still very new to this |
| 14:16.03 | dli | superlinux, try: ./configure --without-ogl |
| 14:16.13 | superlinux | the aims of using BRL is to migrate from Autocad on linux |
| 14:16.17 | ``Erik | um, should be the default, might try to do "detach" and "attach X" in the mged window? |
| 14:16.39 | superlinux | i have an already built binary |
| 14:16.46 | ``Erik | or set the FB_FILE or something, *shrug* I try not to touch a gui if possible, so'z I dunno |
| 14:16.47 | dli | ``Erik, I tried, minimizing, moving the display window, opengl is not causing any trouble here |
| 14:16.49 | superlinux | so is there an option? |
| 14:17.07 | ``Erik | dli: it's a tricky one to track, that's why it's not fixed yet... |
| 14:17.36 | ``Erik | I think someone (maybe starseeker) is going to re-write the OGL dm, which'll hopefully 'just work right' |
| 14:18.03 | ``Erik | a lot of the ogl stuff is slightly updated irisGL from the 80's :/ |
| 14:18.27 | superlinux | ok .. so the command is 'detach' then do 'attach X'? |
| 14:19.03 | dli | ``Erik, I see, but when it happens, good to try without ogl |
| 14:19.05 | starseeker | is THIS close to nuking stable and copying in trunk... dingnabbit I thought I had this synced! |
| 14:19.53 | ``Erik | starseeker: src/libbu$ svn diff -r36452:36077 vls.c <-- yeh... |
| 14:20.20 | ``Erik | superlinux: I think so.. starseeker would know better than me :D |
| 14:20.59 | starseeker | superlinux: what version of BRL-CAD are you using? |
| 14:21.22 | starseeker | ``Erik: can you tell what I messed up on the sync? |
| 14:21.27 | superlinux | 7.10 |
| 14:21.32 | starseeker | eeeep |
| 14:21.36 | superlinux | starseeker, |
| 14:21.47 | starseeker | are you able to compile a newer version? |
| 14:21.54 | superlinux | maybe |
| 14:22.07 | superlinux | cos it will take time downloading stuff |
| 14:22.16 | starseeker | ah |
| 14:22.27 | starseeker | superlinux: well, first try this |
| 14:22.28 | superlinux | what about the 7.10? |
| 14:22.29 | starseeker | mged -c |
| 14:22.33 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:22.54 | starseeker | when it asks what to attach, pick X |
| 14:23.04 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:23.18 | starseeker | that's the quick way to test |
| 14:23.33 | superlinux | all fine |
| 14:23.37 | superlinux | no problems yet |
| 14:23.44 | starseeker | ok |
| 14:23.45 | superlinux | brb 1 min max |
| 14:24.12 | starseeker | grrrr, sourceforge don't tell me you can't connect.... |
| 14:24.20 | starseeker | that's it |
| 14:25.03 | ``Erik | starseeker: never merged with subversion before, only CVS... looks like you may've merged 36452 to 36452? *shrug* |
| 14:25.36 | superlinux | ok back |
| 14:25.39 | superlinux | that was my mom |
| 14:26.07 | starseeker | ``Erik: could be - well, I can't get a steady enough connection to try the traditional route anyway... |
| 14:26.09 | superlinux | so what now? |
| 14:26.18 | superlinux | lemme see |
| 14:26.35 | starseeker | now I try to remember how to set the display manager in 7.10 in the Tk gui |
| 14:26.59 | starseeker | (bty, I'd start downloading the 7.16.2 source if you think you can build it - many new features in that release) |
| 14:27.05 | starseeker | btw rather |
| 14:28.19 | superlinux | starseeker, |
| 14:28.30 | superlinux | if i just typed mged |
| 14:28.31 | starseeker | superlinux: ok, you need to create a .mgedrc file (do this by starting up mged without the -c option, then under File there's a Create/update .mgedrc file |
| 14:28.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:28.51 | ``Erik | if starseeker hadn't screwed up the stable branch, I'd say check it out via svn so'z you can save the bandwidth during upgrades... *cough* O:-) |
| 14:29.10 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:29.17 | superlinux | i'll see the rc file |
| 14:29.34 | starseeker | there should be a line like set mged_default(dm_type) X |
| 14:29.42 | starseeker | or maybe set mged_default(dm_type) ogl |
| 14:29.45 | starseeker | you want the X one |
| 14:30.14 | starseeker | (edit the .mgedrc file with a text editor) |
| 14:31.05 | superlinux | ok sure |
| 14:31.12 | superlinux | just a moment |
| 14:32.20 | superlinux | done. restart mged? |
| 14:32.27 | superlinux | i feal so |
| 14:32.30 | superlinux | i feel so |
| 14:32.41 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36842 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/: OK, stable sync got royally messed up somehow. Clear it out - next commit will recreate STABLE from trunk. |
| 14:33.01 | superlinux | starseeker, ok all nice and great |
| 14:33.30 | superlinux | so this way means that thru X the openGL will work? |
| 14:34.30 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36843 10/brlcad/branches/STABLE/: Re-create STABLE from trunk |
| 14:34.36 | starseeker | no, you aren't using opengl |
| 14:34.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:34.48 | superlinux | no problem |
| 14:34.56 | starseeker | we aren't to the point yet where it's critical |
| 14:35.11 | superlinux | now i tried opening a database file |
| 14:35.31 | superlinux | one of the sample files |
| 14:35.50 | superlinux | nothing yet.. or i have to wait more from you? |
| 14:37.16 | d_rossberg | how can i connect a proxy to the docbook build to get the draft image? |
| 14:37.37 | d_rossberg | superlinux: type "tops" |
| 14:37.43 | starseeker | um, what's a draft image? |
| 14:38.03 | d_rossberg | http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/images/draft.png |
| 14:38.37 | starseeker | superlinux: what database did you open? |
| 14:38.48 | starseeker | d_rossberg: good question - haven't tried using that |
| 14:40.00 | d_rossberg | this wasn't a question: type the word "tops" into the mged terminal |
| 14:41.22 | starseeker | superlinux: did that work? |
| 14:41.39 | d_rossberg | superlinux: what do you get returned from this command? |
| 14:42.00 | starseeker | d_rossberg: my guess is you need to define a customization xslt stylesheet, like what we're going to need to do for the translations - we aren't (quite) there yet but we're getting pretty close |
| 14:44.45 | starseeker | if it's a bit more "built in" you might be able to modify catalog.xml |
| 14:45.34 | d_rossberg | starseeker: google says (tm) i have to set the proxy in java because docbook uses java |
| 14:46.06 | starseeker | um |
| 14:46.21 | d_rossberg | but i don't know how to set the proxy in java either |
| 14:46.24 | starseeker | some of the docbook tools use java (specifically fop) but unless you're doing pdf it's not an issue |
| 14:46.57 | starseeker | d_rossberg: I must admit I'm not a genius with Docbook - I barely got fop doing out of directory pdf generation :-( |
| 14:47.37 | starseeker | we intend to get more sophisticated, but right now we're pretty basic :-( |
| 14:49.11 | starseeker | I'm seeing this: <xsl:param name="draft.mode">yes</xsl:param> |
| 14:49.23 | starseeker | but we don't have anywhere to put such settings yet |
| 14:50.38 | ``Erik | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/epic-fail-christmas-lights-fail.jpg |
| 14:51.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: that's sure to have some parents doing a lot of unwanted explaining to some children |
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| 14:53.06 | imad_ | d_rossberg, i have typed tops |
| 14:53.15 | imad_ | then what should i do? |
| 14:59.17 | d_rossberg | imad_: look at the return you got, what is it? |
| 14:59.44 | imad_ | d_rossberg, then? i just see a listing of maybe tables or files |
| 15:01.09 | d_rossberg | this is fine, is there an all or all.g (for example) |
| 15:02.05 | d_rossberg | what you see there is a list of the top elements in your BRL-CAD database |
| 15:03.51 | imad_ | d_rossberg, _GLOBAL all/ |
| 15:03.51 | imad_ | that's the cray.g of the samples distributed |
| 15:04.28 | d_rossberg | imad_: now type "e all" |
| 15:06.45 | imad_ | ok |
| 15:07.33 | d_rossberg | now you should see something in the black window |
| 15:07.40 | imad_ | ok |
| 15:10.42 | imad_ | d_rossberg, now i tried with the other objects |
| 15:10.44 | d_rossberg | now you could type "rt" to see a nice picture and click on the help entry in the menu of the mged window to get the tutotial etc. |
| 15:10.58 | imad_ | I understood that "e" is to view one of the listings |
| 15:11.07 | imad_ | ok |
| 15:17.23 | imad_ | d_rossberg, whenever i type rt, i get a black screen |
| 15:17.30 | imad_ | so? |
| 15:17.53 | imad_ | it's a full black screen |
| 15:18.15 | imad_ | or a full screen in black |
| 15:23.19 | starseeker | try this: rt -F/dev/X |
| 15:23.35 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:24.36 | superlinux | starseeker, you are its man! |
| 15:25.11 | starseeker | the first raytrace tried to use opengl - thats one of our opengl bugs |
| 15:25.14 | superlinux | it worked |
| 15:25.14 | superlinux | awesome! and cool |
| 15:25.58 | superlinux | starseeker, but i just want for example to draw basic stuff, like a line or whatever if very basic geometry |
| 15:26.20 | starseeker | superlinux: we do 3D geometry (spheres, etc.) |
| 15:26.33 | starseeker | superlinux: sounds like you are ready for this: |
| 15:26.51 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/w/images/c/cf/Introduction_to_MGED.pdf |
| 15:27.41 | superlinux | what i want is to let people to easily convert to Linux. there is LinuxCAD though it's not free. Quick CAD as far as i heard is has a problem with huge DXF files |
| 15:28.32 | superlinux | starseeker, got the point? |
| 15:30.02 | superlinux | and the rc file is not as far as i see easily editable. I am a programmer. i understand that i should be participating in such nice project, and i understand that i am using an older version. |
| 15:30.40 | superlinux | however my aims is migration |
| 15:30.52 | superlinux | migration to linux |
| 15:30.55 | starseeker | superlinux: we know our usability is weak - we're working on a next generation GUI (you can see the prototype by typing archer) |
| 15:31.14 | superlinux | i did.. it did not run |
| 15:31.32 | superlinux | starseeker, the gui is not as important as the commands them selves |
| 15:31.46 | starseeker | if you want to import a dxf file, try dxf-g |
| 15:32.06 | superlinux | they seem to be much like the cisco router commands or a C++ language in the way they are a standard |
| 15:32.30 | starseeker | actually, we use tcl for our command line |
| 15:32.53 | superlinux | i meant people find that the Autocad commands are now a standard with time |
| 15:33.19 | starseeker | I doubt a lot of AutoCAD commands would map directly to BRL-CAD |
| 15:33.30 | superlinux | can't you wrap the TCL under the Autocad commands? |
| 15:33.57 | starseeker | superlinux: what you should do is read the Introduction, see how BRL-CAD works, and then see if AutoCAD commands can map to BRL-CAD |
| 15:34.08 | superlinux | mmm |
| 15:34.12 | starseeker | my guess is the systems' underlying assumptions are often too different |
| 15:34.22 | starseeker | BRL-CAD is a solid 3D CSG modeler |
| 15:34.29 | superlinux | true |
| 15:34.38 | starseeker | AutoCAD has some 3D stuff, but they focus on 2D quite a lot as I understand it |
| 15:34.41 | starseeker | we don't do much 2D |
| 15:34.49 | superlinux | what i know is that autocad deos 3D too |
| 15:35.10 | superlinux | so you need someone to write the 2d? don't you? |
| 15:35.32 | starseeker | if someone wants to volunteer that would be great :-) |
| 15:35.39 | superlinux | ok good |
| 15:35.51 | starseeker | but don't underestimate the amount of work involved |
| 15:35.58 | superlinux | i'll see how to integrate some of the commands |
| 15:36.03 | superlinux | i know |
| 15:36.10 | superlinux | i'll see how |
| 15:36.26 | starseeker | you will likely find you have to create the functionality to support the commands, and that has to be done in such a way as to integrate into BRL-CAD proper |
| 15:36.47 | starseeker | if you see brlcad in the channel, talk to him - he's the lead designer/developer |
| 15:37.00 | superlinux | starseeker, what if for example i set a cylinder to be a line? |
| 15:37.05 | superlinux | is that ok? |
| 15:37.21 | starseeker | um - it may work in some applications |
| 15:37.41 | starseeker | it heavily depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 15:37.42 | superlinux | llike make miniature the 3D objects to 2D |
| 15:38.22 | superlinux | all i want is the architechtural plans you see for building houses and such and such |
| 15:38.35 | starseeker | ah :-) |
| 15:38.41 | starseeker | take a look at rtedge |
| 15:38.46 | superlinux | thats what makes true money! |
| 15:38.58 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:39.18 | starseeker | there is also some work currently going on on an annotation primitive that will help with blueprints |
| 15:40.16 | superlinux | ah~! you call them blue prints such maps? |
| 15:40.26 | superlinux | then be it |
| 15:40.31 | starseeker | that's usually what people want ;-) |
| 15:40.37 | superlinux | yes |
| 15:40.54 | starseeker | it's a frequent request, but not the focus of our full time developers |
| 15:41.01 | starseeker | http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/havoc_rtedge.png.html |
| 15:41.05 | starseeker | that's rtedge |
| 15:41.09 | superlinux | like the 1st thing i thought i can do is type line on mged |
| 15:41.17 | starseeker | nope :-) |
| 15:41.32 | starseeker | superlinux: I REALLY suggest reading that tutorial |
| 15:41.41 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:41.44 | superlinux | i'll check |
| 15:41.51 | starseeker | you will need to understand BRL-CAD to understand how to do the job correctly |
| 15:41.57 | superlinux | maybe i can get some funding for the part |
| 15:44.11 | superlinux | starseeker, how can i save the "-F/dev/X" part in the rt* commands? |
| 15:44.33 | superlinux | can i alias the commands rt and rtedge? |
| 15:46.17 | starseeker | you can create alias commands in .mgedrc |
| 15:46.37 | superlinux | how? |
| 15:47.05 | superlinux | e.g. alias rt='rt -F/dev/X'? |
| 15:47.12 | superlinux | is'n't? |
| 15:51.04 | superlinux | starseeker, sorry if i bugged you with so many questions. please, look at this picture with blue background. this is a blueprint of course. such things i want to be able to do |
| 15:51.12 | superlinux | http://www.aviationshoppe.com/AT-6-Texan.html |
| 15:53.14 | starseeker | superlinux: irc is an "in and out" communication method - not always realtime |
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| 16:07.52 | starseeker | superlinux: there's a file mgedrc.html in the distribution, I believe |
| 16:08.38 | starseeker | you basically use proc |
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| 16:14.16 | starseeker | growl - make dmg requires root |
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| 17:41.25 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, it has to go admin to mount/demount disk images with proper access |
| 17:42.06 | __monty__ | brlcad, Did you receive my memo's? |
| 17:45.09 | brlcad | yes, just read them :) |
| 17:45.34 | brlcad | that's pretty informative backtrace, thanks |
| 17:45.45 | __monty__ | No problem. |
| 17:46.49 | __monty__ | About the 'p dmp' and 'p pubvars' , did I enter them right? I just entered them on the gdb prompt after the backtrace. |
| 17:47.04 | brlcad | you did, I forgot those are #defines |
| 17:47.10 | brlcad | you still have that session? |
| 17:47.54 | brlcad | hm, actually dmp should have worked |
| 17:48.07 | __monty__ | Yeah I have the session open still. |
| 17:48.25 | brlcad | but since I make one of the X11 calls a function instead of a macro, you need to go up the stack |
| 17:48.29 | brlcad | type "up" |
| 17:48.32 | brlcad | then p dmp |
| 17:49.05 | brlcad | p screen |
| 17:49.21 | __monty__ | Should I paste the output directly into irc? Or go via pastebin? |
| 17:49.53 | brlcad | pastebin if it's more than like 5 lines |
| 17:50.04 | brlcad | otherwise here is fine |
| 17:50.15 | __monty__ | Ok. |
| 17:50.54 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/d51d71b45 |
| 17:51.36 | brlcad | p *dmp |
| 17:51.41 | brlcad | p screen |
| 17:51.41 | brlcad | p screenp *screen |
| 17:51.47 | brlcad | p pubvars |
| 17:51.49 | brlcad | p *pubvars |
| 17:53.18 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m37757de here you go. |
| 17:55.07 | __monty__ | I hope it's helpful =) |
| 17:56.26 | brlcad | too |
| 18:03.54 | brlcad | very helpful! |
| 18:04.13 | __monty__ | cheers. |
| 18:04.15 | brlcad | .... looks like XDefaultScreenOfDisplay() is returning the screen number, not the screen pointer |
| 18:04.57 | brlcad | which isn't right! |
| 18:05.22 | __monty__ | The bastard! |
| 18:06.02 | ``Erik | (screen number, or NULL?) |
| 18:06.31 | ``Erik | hm, 0x50? O.o |
| 18:09.14 | brlcad | yeah, that's gotta be some error code |
| 18:10.09 | brlcad | i should probably just rewrite libdm-X |
| 18:10.22 | ``Erik | libdm-SDL ftw |
| 18:10.23 | brlcad | the X11 code there is a really old method |
| 18:11.17 | brlcad | that's a possibility, probably even easier, but begrudging adding a new dep |
| 18:11.33 | brlcad | specially since tk should work just fine and with no added complexity |
| 18:11.50 | ``Erik | yeh, came up in a discussion with starseeker at one point |
| 18:12.21 | brlcad | that's just what I should do, finish off the one there, but got other code to finish up first before going down that rabbit hole |
| 18:13.08 | __monty__ | tries to drag brlcad down the rabbit hole. |
| 18:14.11 | ``Erik | oh my |
| 18:40.43 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36844 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: untested. try to avoid the X11 calls entirely during initialization, only making the corresponding Tk calls. XDefaultScreenOfDisplay() is return 0x50 on __monty__'s system for some unknown reason. |
| 18:40.45 | brlcad | __monty__: give that a try (unfortunately can't test it myself at the moment) |
| 18:42.03 | __monty__ | How do I give it a try? |
| 19:09.16 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36845 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: wrap the new tk calls in HAVE_TK so we can compile clean |
| 19:09.32 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36846 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm.h: ws indent cleanup |
| 19:09.54 | brlcad | __monty__: run "svn up", then rebuild/reinstall |
| 19:19.22 | brlcad | don't have to rebuild everything, just "make && make install" |
| 19:19.33 | brlcad | it'll just rebuild the pieces that got updated |
| 19:21.30 | starseeker | is considering going down the dm-tk rabbit hole |
| 19:21.49 | starseeker | if it works and works well, would it get rid of all the other non-opengl dms? |
| 19:22.50 | brlcad | many of them |
| 19:22.54 | brlcad | not all of them |
| 19:23.11 | starseeker | well, I suppose plot and ps |
| 19:23.47 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:43.02 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36847 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libgcv/region_end.c: ws indent comment cleanup |
| 19:43.25 | __monty__ | Sorry for the late reply, I was studying. I took the 'run svn up' literaly, the terminal outputted: Skipped '.' |
| 19:43.42 | __monty__ | Should I now just run make and then make install? |
| 19:45.44 | __monty__ | I probably should have cd'ed to the source directory first, shouldn't I? |
| 19:47.08 | starseeker | that might help _) |
| 19:47.09 | starseeker | :-) |
| 19:47.46 | __monty__ | Am I the only mac user with problems running brlcad? |
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| 19:48.22 | starseeker | __monty__: there are some glitches we know about |
| 19:51.49 | __monty__ | Ok I did the svn up, make && make install. Now when I try launching mged I get the following output: WARNING: screen number is [0] \n Bus error |
| 19:52.10 | starseeker | um - __monty__ can you run in gdb again? |
| 19:52.18 | __monty__ | I sure can |
| 19:53.09 | __monty__ | Up to backtrace or all the other ones, like p dmp too? |
| 19:53.21 | starseeker | let's see where it's dying first |
| 19:53.25 | starseeker | is it the same place? |
| 19:53.54 | starseeker | er, yeah, up to backtrace first |
| 19:54.13 | __monty__ | #0 blablba in X_open_dm blabalbal :399 |
| 19:54.34 | __monty__ | I'll paste it to pastebin if you want. |
| 19:55.03 | starseeker | __monty__: let me check that dm-X line |
| 19:55.48 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m54705f56 |
| 19:57.27 | starseeker | __monty__: hmm. can you do: print privars->pix ? |
| 19:58.06 | brlcad | p *dmp |
| 19:58.13 | starseeker | er, yeah :-) |
| 19:58.21 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36848 10/isst/trunk/src/local_worker.c: make cut ray fire the right direction |
| 19:58.21 | brlcad | and p *privars :) |
| 19:58.32 | __monty__ | 'print privars->pix' gives me $1 = 0 |
| 19:58.35 | brlcad | curious if it got the right width/height |
| 19:58.47 | starseeker | yeah, sorry - I always get that wrong the first time I debug anything |
| 19:59.01 | brlcad | oooh, DefaultRootWindow.. another X11 call |
| 19:59.06 | brlcad | that's the crasher |
| 19:59.56 | starseeker | flips up dm-tk.c and eyes it... |
| 19:59.59 | brlcad | looks like if you start with Tk windows, you have to stik with them .. maybe something in 8.5 not playing nicely with the Mac X11 hearsheaders |
| 20:00.02 | __monty__ | http://paste.bzflag.bz/m1ae647d5 |
| 20:00.48 | brlcad | because it's the Display* and Visual* that one gets from Tk_Display() .. that isn't working with any X11 call |
| 20:01.14 | brlcad | bah, it didn't get width/height, thx __monty__ |
| 20:01.25 | __monty__ | No problem. |
| 20:01.38 | starseeker | __monty__: you can run xterm and other X11 apps OK, right? |
| 20:01.55 | __monty__ | yep xterm, inkscape, gimp |
| 20:02.01 | starseeker | hmm |
| 20:02.19 | __monty__ | I don't run x11 often by the way. |
| 20:03.39 | brlcad | ahhh, starting to get a handle on this |
| 20:03.52 | brlcad | Tk_CreateWindowFromPath() is very informative |
| 20:08.10 | starseeker | arrgh |
| 20:08.17 | starseeker | gets badness |
| 20:09.44 | starseeker | X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 53 (X_CreatePixmap) Serial number of failed request: 343 Current serial number in output stream: 344 |
| 20:15.57 | __monty__ | Good night all, if you need me to test something send me a memo. |
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| 20:30.53 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I busted it a couple days ago I think |
| 20:31.04 | brlcad | working on it |
| 20:31.12 | starseeker | np |
| 20:31.27 | brlcad | curious, why didn't you use HIDDEN in that HIDDEN_DM_... define? |
| 20:31.38 | brlcad | instead of duplicating the two cases |
| 20:32.08 | starseeker | um |
| 20:32.26 | brlcad | intentional? oversight? |
| 20:32.39 | starseeker | oversight |
| 20:32.54 | starseeker | think I hit a build error and just did something to get it going |
| 20:33.27 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36849 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-X.c: ws, more verbose quellage |
| 20:34.26 | brlcad | o.O hm, okay |
| 20:35.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r36850 10/brlcad/trunk/include/dm.h: collapse into just one HIDDEN_DM_FUNCTION_PROTOTYPES(), use HIDDEN |
| 20:35.38 | starseeker | did I do something stupid again? |
| 20:37.52 | starseeker | is sure he has done a lot of dumb stuff on the dm side of things |
| 20:46.57 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r36851 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-tk.c: Stub out the new functions needed after the libdm struct changes |
| 20:56.17 | starseeker | brlcad: is there a quick way to enable the dm-tk build? |
| 21:02.21 | ``Erik | hack the gibso^Wmakefile |
| 21:03.12 | starseeker | ``Erik: it looks like it's set up to conditionally build, but I'm not sure what makes DM_TK "true" |
| 21:03.35 | starseeker | (apparently "WITH_TK" is not set to true for the default enable-all?) |
| 21:04.47 | ``Erik | it's forced to off in configure.ac |
| 21:04.54 | ``Erik | 3685 |
| 21:05.00 | starseeker | ah, thanks |
| 21:05.35 | ``Erik | easiest would be to muck with the values of WITH_TK_TRUE and WITH_TK_FALSE in the Makefile itself |
| 21:07.09 | starseeker | well, I need all this to propigate through so I can use dmtype set to try switching to tk |
| 21:07.18 | starseeker | so it's probably not just one Makefile |
| 21:07.54 | ``Erik | hm, hack configure.ac, change [ "xno" = "xyes" ] to [ "xyes" = "xyes" ] or something? |
| 21:08.18 | starseeker | yeah, there's actually a valid but commented out test right below it |
| 21:08.24 | starseeker | re-enabled and is testing now |
| 21:08.51 | starseeker | doubt I have the chops to actually make it work but I'll take a poke and see where it's at |
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| 21:27.08 | brlcad | starseeker: all the DM_* are from configure |
| 21:27.24 | brlcad | rather, toggled high up, then conditionalized in the Makefile.am |
| 21:28.29 | brlcad | which right now looks like it toggled via --with-tk |
| 21:30.48 | starseeker | ``Erik spotted it - it was forced off |
| 21:33.43 | starseeker | urk |
| 21:33.51 | starseeker | turns off WITH_TK in libfb |
| 21:34.27 | starseeker | one problem child at a time |
| 21:44.15 | brlcad | you're working on libdm or libfb? |
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| 22:15.59 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36852 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/ (camera.c render_internal.h): stash a copy of the tie struct in render for use in init() functions |
| 22:20.19 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36853 10/isst/trunk/src/local_worker.c: remove debugging printf |
| 22:20.39 | CIA-41 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r36854 10/brlcad/trunk/src/adrt/librender/cut.c: color intersected regions |
| 22:32.23 | starseeker | brlcad: libdm |
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| 22:32.44 | starseeker | although "workign on" is probably a bit strong - more like "exploring" |
| 22:50.05 | starseeker | blinks - aside from a rather odd notion of what the center of the screen is, this tk dm isn't doing bad at all |
| 22:52.11 | starseeker | (he says as he tries to switch to rtgl and mged crashes...) |
| 22:53.09 | starseeker | in fact, it already moves the havoc wireframe around more easily than X does |
| 22:53.47 | starseeker | nifty |
| 23:13.33 | starseeker | gives --enable-aqua-tk a try and is surprised to see libdm complain about undefined Tk symbols... hmm |
| 23:25.01 | starseeker | ooooo |
| 23:25.05 | starseeker | that makes sense... |
| 23:25.28 | starseeker | DM_LIBS doesn't HAVE tk if building without X11... |
| 23:26.28 | ``Erik | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/728/ an oldie but a goodie |
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