| 00:01.03 | brlcad | I'm actually supposed to be driving off to see family for the next couple days, driving for 8 hours tomorrow, so I probably won't be online much |
| 00:01.17 | brlcad | but you can certainly post here and ask, someone is bound to answer :) |
| 00:01.41 | brlcad | i'll be on early morning and probably later in the night after I arrive at my destination |
| 00:02.06 | Nohla | well I'll try harder :) |
| 00:07.58 | ``Erik | heh, not gonna pull the iphone ssh while driving r-tardedness? :) |
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| 05:48.59 | brlcad | nay |
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| 15:22.35 | Nohla | Is anybody out there? starseeker? ``Erik? |
| 15:24.26 | Nohla | wanted to know if it still exists:"You can also zoom in or out on your design by going to the View menu and selecting Zoom In or Zoom Out. A drawback to this method is that you can only zoom in or out one time because the drop-down menu closes once you make a selection." |
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| 15:37.36 | ``Erik | hm, it should still be there... gimme a minute to look |
| 15:38.22 | ``Erik | ayup, it is... do you have mged installed? |
| 15:39.07 | Nohla | nop :( |
| 15:39.17 | Nohla | sorry, always say the same |
| 15:39.29 | ``Erik | (sorry, ayup = yes. That functionality still exists) |
| 15:40.36 | Nohla | I'm asking for the drawback, not for the function |
| 15:41.13 | ``Erik | oh, yes, it does close the dropdown menu when it takes effect. There is no way to change that behavior, it's part of being a dropdown menu |
| 15:41.42 | Nohla | but with a shortcut, maye |
| 15:41.47 | Nohla | maybe |
| 15:41.49 | ``Erik | you can zoom out, then click view again and choose it again and it'll work, but you have to keep clicking 'view' between each zoom |
| 15:43.05 | Nohla | shift grips is the same as chortcut and kaystrokes? |
| 15:43.40 | ``Erik | I don't know O.o I'm not a GUI person :) |
| 15:44.44 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/wiki/Image:Shift_Grips_Quick_Reference_Guide.pdf looks like shift-grips are mouse motion events with a modifier key pressed |
| 15:44.52 | ``Erik | like holding shift or control while you click and drag |
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| 15:47.20 | Nohla | ``Erik thanks |
| 15:48.25 | ``Erik | np, glad I was able to help (my focus is lower level stuff, not user interfaces) |
| 15:49.02 | Nohla | it's perfect if you understand the matrix :) |
| 15:49.22 | ``Erik | installing BRL-CAD to try things out may help in the translation process... being able to try it to see if your reading is correct before re-expressing it? :) just a thought |
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| 16:02.02 | Nohla | sorry, I fell down |
| 16:02.31 | Nohla | to install it I need to free up disk space before |
| 16:03.08 | ``Erik | ah, I have similar issues on my 'server' |
| 16:03.25 | ``Erik | it's about 265 megabytes on my mac |
| 16:04.13 | ``Erik | hm, one of my bsd machines has a 115m dir |
| 16:06.44 | ``Erik | do you have perhaps a school server you could install it to, and then use remote X to run it? |
| 16:09.33 | ``Erik | grumbles because some eggshell broke into his food |
| 16:10.48 | Nohla | ``Erik that's possible, but I'll ask for it in February |
| 16:11.15 | Nohla | We're on vacation :) |
| 16:12.30 | ``Erik | *shrug* I was thinking that perhaps you had an account that could do it and could just ssh in :) the other options are getting a new hard drive (or thumb drive) which is expensive money wise, or doing hard drive housecleaning (removing unused packages, deleting unused files, etc) which is time consuming |
| 16:13.19 | ``Erik | I don't have a server to offer, but brlcad may *shrug* |
| 16:14.21 | Nohla | I have no problem because I have a lot of music that I can burn on dvd |
| 16:14.55 | Nohla | I like the idea for the others students |
| 16:15.21 | ``Erik | remote X is sensitive to latency |
| 16:16.14 | Nohla | mmm... and it means... ? |
| 16:16.20 | ``Erik | dial-up makes it very difficult to use |
| 16:16.45 | ``Erik | when I did remote-X stuff on dialup, I would move the mouse, and half a second later, the cursor would move...very difficult to use |
| 16:17.19 | Nohla | mmm, will see the best way of make it popular :) |
| 16:17.39 | ``Erik | local of fast network is best |
| 16:17.49 | ``Erik | local or fast network is best |
| 16:18.20 | Nohla | at the end of the translation of the tutorials and menus, the idea was to make a seminar |
| 16:18.54 | ``Erik | does the classroom have 100baseT to all the machines? that makes it acceptable to do remote, provided the server can handle the load |
| 16:19.14 | ``Erik | imagine 30 people running a raytrace at the same time on a machine :) that'd not be fun |
| 16:19.29 | Nohla | let me see the reality of the laboratory material before |
| 16:20.11 | ``Erik | of course, I'm just rambling to explore possibilities |
| 16:20.12 | Nohla | I trust that with time we can do a nice job with this |
| 16:20.44 | Nohla | you are always one step further:) |
| 16:20.51 | ``Erik | "the plan is useless; it's the planning that is important" -Eisenhower |
| 16:21.34 | Nohla | we do :) |
| 16:22.30 | Nohla | the planning stage is always very short |
| 16:22.49 | Nohla | we just need to seek that stage :) |
| 16:23.33 | Nohla | but I told brlcad yesterday, I'm in |
| 16:23.55 | ``Erik | excellent :) |
| 16:24.44 | Nohla | I know very little, but I do my best |
| 16:25.02 | ``Erik | <-- been thinking about modelling his house in BRL-CAD to experiment with furniture placement and using photon mapping (or converting to bots and using adrt's path tracing) to get a good idea of appearance before buying furniture and stuff |
| 16:25.19 | ``Erik | 'sok, I know very little, I just make a good act of it |
| 16:26.03 | Nohla | :) |
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| 16:28.09 | ``Erik | you seem to be falling off the internet a lot, too many cerveza? :D |
| 16:28.20 | ``Erik | nohla: did you get my private message? |
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| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37019 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: include sysctl hardware information in the output log after uname, collapsing |
| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: all lines into just one. also add additional tests to make sure the scripts and |
| 18:34.43 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: binaries we're about to use actually work before putting them to use. |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37020 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the benchmark suite now includes sysctl hardware information in the log output. |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: I was manually asking everyone for this information anyways, so it's good to |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: just have it automatically included in the log. still would be nice to get a |
| 18:36.25 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: copy of /proc/cpuinfo if it's a linux system, though. |
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| 18:41.47 | ``Erik | sysctl is a very system specific thing, I had to write significantly different sysctl thingies for fbsd vs netbsd vs obsd vs solaris vs what little linux supports |
| 18:41.56 | ``Erik | there's no universal OID heirarchy :( |
| 18:43.01 | ``Erik | oh, hah, you're grabbing the entire hw tree |
| 18:45.09 | brlcad | which is nfg on linux |
| 18:45.44 | ``Erik | I should put my old perfmon crap out under a bsd or lgpl license so it can be nom'd |
| 18:46.02 | ``Erik | how was the drive? |
| 18:46.27 | ``Erik | get to open ellie up a bit on the no-mans-land bits? |
| 18:48.14 | ``Erik | (solaris and osX are of the BSD world, which is migrating its own way... sysctl heavy... linux is off in the corner drooling on itself and wearing a cone hat, not surprised it's not even close to 'normal') |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37021 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: restructure the output so that system configuration information is included at |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the end of the log instead of the beginning. that also lets us preserve the |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: sysctl formatting and include the verbose /proc/cpuinfo details if they are |
| 19:05.45 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: available. we do this quietly only because it's so much output, but still let |
| 19:05.47 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the user know that additional information was added to the log. |
| 19:08.27 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37022 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: oops, CMP not PIXCMP |
| 19:37.08 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37023 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: emphasize submitting results, include an approx VGR result on a 16 core xeon instead of the 8 cpu aix that had a 9k vgr. |
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| 20:06.40 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 20:08.25 | csanyipal | brlcad: I just sent in e-mail the outputs of 'sysctl -a' and 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' commands. |
| 20:20.09 | brlcad | cool, thanks |
| 20:21.50 | csanyipal | brlcad: you are welcome! |
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| 20:59.09 | brlcad | perfect |
| 20:59.45 | csanyipal | :) |
| 21:16.06 | csanyipal | I have a build fom SVN and when I try to open in Archer an existing geometry file, Archer crash and disappeare. |
| 21:17.24 | csanyipal | Segmentation fault.. |
| 21:18.22 | brlcad | csanyipal: hm, do you have a stack trace |
| 21:18.26 | brlcad | or rather, can you get one? |
| 21:18.40 | csanyipal | how can I get one? |
| 21:18.44 | brlcad | hm |
| 21:19.20 | brlcad | run archer .. then before opening the file, attach to the process with gdb |
| 21:19.47 | brlcad | should be able to get the process id via "ps auxwww|grep bwish" |
| 21:19.48 | csanyipal | I never did this before.. |
| 21:19.53 | brlcad | no problem |
| 21:20.07 | brlcad | first step: run archer ;) |
| 21:20.18 | csanyipal | ok |
| 21:20.29 | csanyipal | done. |
| 21:20.41 | brlcad | then run "ps auxwww|grep bwish" in a terminal |
| 21:20.49 | brlcad | what does it report? |
| 21:21.01 | csanyipal | 1000 10154 4.4 0.9 268196 19408 ? Ss 22:20 0:01 /usr/brlcad/bin/../bin/bwish /usr/brlcad/bin/archer |
| 21:21.01 | csanyipal | 1000 10161 0.0 0.0 4856 780 pts/0 S+ 22:20 0:00 grep bwish |
| 21:21.18 | brlcad | greap, so 10154 is the process id for archer |
| 21:21.23 | brlcad | great* |
| 21:21.25 | csanyipal | o |
| 21:21.27 | csanyipal | ok |
| 21:21.32 | brlcad | now run "gdb" |
| 21:21.40 | csanyipal | done |
| 21:21.41 | brlcad | then in gdb run "attach 10154" |
| 21:21.54 | csanyipal | done |
| 21:22.00 | brlcad | then "continue" |
| 21:22.13 | brlcad | then go back to archer, and make it crash |
| 21:22.18 | csanyipal | Continuing. |
| 21:22.51 | brlcad | once it crashes, go back to gdb and run "backtrace" |
| 21:22.52 | csanyipal | done |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | [Switching to Thread 0xa893a6c0 (LWP 10154)] |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | 0xb7f35f00 in bu_calloc@plt () from /usr/brlcad/lib/libtclcad.so.19 |
| 21:22.58 | csanyipal | Current language: auto; currently asm |
| 21:23.25 | csanyipal | Archer are hanging now.. |
| 21:23.32 | csanyipal | is.. |
| 21:23.45 | brlcad | right, from here on archer is dead |
| 21:23.56 | brlcad | until you tell gdb to detach, it's just frozen |
| 21:24.03 | brlcad | "backtrace" ? |
| 21:24.49 | brlcad | run that command in gdb |
| 21:24.55 | csanyipal | done backtrace, but get many messages. |
| 21:25.03 | brlcad | right, that's what I need :) |
| 21:25.06 | brlcad | ~bapaste |
| 21:25.16 | brlcad | ~bzpaste |
| 21:25.17 | ibot | it has been said that bzpaste is http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ |
| 21:25.17 | brlcad | hm |
| 21:25.23 | brlcad | there |
| 21:27.59 | csanyipal | I think it's there: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m6bdd531a |
| 21:29.31 | brlcad | perfect, thanks .. hold on |
| 21:29.44 | csanyipal | ok |
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| 22:29.54 | csanyipal | I shall come back tomorrow. Go to sleep now. :) |
| 22:34.46 | brlcad | boohyaw |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37024 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: less emphasis on the statement to submit results, instead call attention to the |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: email address. improve the output reporting of sysctl (don't need vm) and the |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: way results are formatted. include prtdiag for solaris. use look_for to search |
| 22:34.56 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: the PATH to keep failures quiet (and avoid having to run the binary additional |
| 22:34.58 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: times) |
| 22:40.10 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37025 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: prevent calculating a negative or zero logarithm and printing -inf's if vgr fails to be calculated correctly |
| 22:44.32 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37026 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: report the summary to the log file too. no sense in it just being output to the screen. remove old comment about solaris. |
| 22:45.00 | brlcad | that puppy is about due a gui.. |
| 22:55.26 | brlcad | csanyipal's crash log is very bizarre.. smells like a smashed stack |
| 22:57.26 | brlcad | hard to say without peeking inside _bu_alloc() .. need a debug build |
| 22:58.14 | ``Erik | dunno, could be... I kinda smell lib order mixing with malloc hacketetry, myself |
| 22:59.42 | ``Erik | like tcl malloc executing, then backing up to find its mud, but finding BRL-CAD's mud instead |
| 22:59.47 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 23:02.11 | brlcad | tcl malloc should work too |
| 23:02.20 | brlcad | not that i've ever seen that happen |
| 23:03.07 | brlcad | i'd expect that mixup to cause a problem maybe during a free |
| 23:03.40 | ``Erik | <--- working off of smell :) not thinking |
| 23:04.40 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37027 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libtclcad/ged_obj.c: if ged_open() fails, note the failure and stop so we don't allocate a ged_obj. |
| 23:05.53 | brlcad | alas useless without more debug info .. something for him to try later I suppose, maybe a manual command-line opendb or go_open |
| 23:07.38 | ``Erik | ayup |
| 23:15.41 | CIA-38 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37028 10/brlcad/trunk/bench/run.sh: aix ain't got no prtdiag or cpuinfo satisfaction but does reportedly have a prtconf command. use it. |
| 23:17.01 | brlcad | fg |