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| 00:08.21 | ``Erik | qt designer is nto nearly as sexy as the xcode cocoa shtuff |
| 00:10.24 | ``Erik | mmm, cat boogers, yummy |
| 00:36.47 | Jonimus | is there a way to display a UGS nx6 file without NX 6 installed? |
| 00:37.16 | Jonimus | I don't even need to modify it or anything just display. |
| 00:37.57 | ``Erik | iirc, unigraphics is one of those that needs the libraries installed to convert... :/ |
| 00:38.28 | ``Erik | if you can talk your provider into producing, say, a STEP file, you can crank it over to 3dm with rhino3d and pull it into BRL-CAD that way |
| 00:39.03 | ``Erik | or an IGES file, we can snarf those directly if they're teh right subset |
| 00:39.24 | Jonimus | Well I made the file but I can't use NX6 off campus and I don't have a linux install of it anyway |
| 00:39.51 | ``Erik | does uni have an export to, say, stl? |
| 00:40.48 | Jonimus | it does but like I said I can't use NX6 off campus and the cisco VPN software they use doesn't support Windows 64bit |
| 00:40.51 | ``Erik | we have a fairly big suite of importers, but the data needs to be imported before we can use it... so all those /usr/brlcad/bin/*-g programs are going to be the first step for our tools |
| 00:41.11 | Jonimus | yeah It appears I don't even have ug-g built |
| 00:41.26 | ``Erik | right, that'd require the unigraphics libraries being available |
| 00:41.36 | ``Erik | same issue for our pro/e importer :/ |
| 00:42.03 | ``Erik | it's their proprietary file, it's not documented for other people to use, ya gotta have their library to read and extract the data :( |
| 00:43.33 | ``Erik | if it's interesting geometry that can be put under, say, creative commons license, it may be possible to find someone willing to do the conversion... but that wouldn't be tonight :D |
| 00:46.04 | ``Erik | (this is just my understanding... if you lurk long enough, someone who knows more than me may say I'm wrong... but indianlarry is enjoying a cigar atm, and brlcad is terrorizing asphault for a vacation) |
| 00:46.19 | Jonimus | yeah, I can just get the STL tomorrow since we're running it through a rapid prototype machine but I wanted to show my Dad the model |
| 00:46.48 | Jonimus | ``Erik: according to the docs you are right so I'd have to say your right |
| 00:47.53 | ``Erik | stl-g is fairly decent, doesn't require proprietary libs |
| 00:48.11 | Jonimus | yeah that's what it appeared |
| 00:48.31 | ``Erik | but stl is triangle only, ... *shrug* |
| 00:48.52 | ``Erik | but if you have a "resolved" BoT model, you can feed it to ISST, for interactive raytracing :D neat stuff |
| 00:48.57 | Jonimus | yeah, but it gets the job done in a pinch |
| 00:49.09 | ``Erik | resolved being each region contains exactly one BoT primitive |
| 00:51.00 | ``Erik | http://brlcad.org/~erik/mb-isst.png is ISST with metaballs converted using marching cubes... neat stuff |
| 00:51.31 | Jonimus | cool |
| 00:51.55 | ``Erik | on my work machine, ~30fps on a 7 million triangle model |
| 00:52.07 | Jonimus | very nice |
| 00:52.22 | ``Erik | and the 7m model raytraces faster than the 4.5k model O.o |
| 00:52.44 | ``Erik | so if you're on linux and dealing with stl imported data, might be fun to play with :) |
| 00:52.57 | ``Erik | gtk+ for the gui... |
| 00:54.01 | ``Erik | mind if I ask what ya modelled? |
| 00:55.12 | ``Erik | when someone does something impressive and use our tools, we like to show things off... like http://brlcad.org/d/node/44 (modelled in BRL-CAD) |
| 00:55.31 | ``Erik | or http://ronja.twibright.com/ |
| 00:59.55 | Jonimus | I made it NX6 :/ |
| 01:00.07 | Jonimus | or I would love to give it to you to show off |
| 01:00.31 | ``Erik | if'n ya get it into BRL-CAD, might be worth showing off |
| 01:00.44 | Jonimus | it was a fairly basic model, well it was doing it with NX6, I'm still not sure how I would do it with brlcad |
| 01:00.57 | Jonimus | and the fact that it just crashed on me :/ |
| 01:01.13 | ``Erik | (my personal view is that BRL-CAD was developed as an engineering tool, not a deisgn tool... more "create geometry to emulate what already exists... accurately") |
| 01:01.19 | ``Erik | which part crashed? mged? |
| 01:01.23 | Jonimus | yeah |
| 01:02.05 | ``Erik | on linux? most recent svn? |
| 01:02.09 | Jonimus | I got a memory corruption error, though before that I was having issues as it wouldn't let me change anything about my newly created ehy :/ |
| 01:02.26 | Jonimus | I believe I'm running a stable release |
| 01:02.55 | ``Erik | how did you get it? |
| 01:03.13 | Jonimus | I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't Video card related, as I'm running mesa from git |
| 01:03.27 | ``Erik | (actually, I wanna smack brlcad around some for the latest release, it had obvious breakage) |
| 01:03.38 | Jonimus | ``Erik: I'm on arch linux so I just built it from the aur package |
| 01:03.40 | ``Erik | try uhhhhh, FB_FILE=/dev/X mged? |
| 01:04.30 | ``Erik | now I don't use mged normally, I launch it with -c more often than not, but I'm a low level developer, I'm mostly dorking around in libraries and avoiding guis whenever possible |
| 01:05.24 | Jonimus | ok so this is weird, I opened up the same file I was jsut working on and the dimensions changed :/ |
| 01:05.35 | Jonimus | but now it appears to be working so I'm happy |
| 01:05.46 | ``Erik | um, changed like 'mm are now inches'? |
| 01:06.09 | ``Erik | there's a command in mged to alter units ont he fly that changes the 'default' setting in the file, uh, 'units' I think? |
| 01:06.27 | ``Erik | "units in" or "units mm" or "units km" ... |
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| 01:34.29 | starseeker | Jonimus: step is preferred if you can get it - I'd recommend saving both a step version and an stl version |
| 01:35.11 | ``Erik | so there ya go, starseeker is more plugged into this bit than I am, and he's sayin' basically the same thing |
| 01:36.22 | Jonimus | starseeker: ok cool |
| 01:36.55 | starseeker | step will preserve the NURBS surfaces, which is the "original" data structure type used to model |
| 01:37.24 | starseeker | stl triangles are an approximation of the NURBS surface, easier to work with but you lose resolution in the conversion |
| 01:38.13 | starseeker | stl should get you going with current BRL-CAD, and we're getting to the point of supporting step import and NURBS raytracing |
| 01:38.20 | starseeker | (still can't edit NURBS though) |
| 01:41.43 | Jonimus | Is there somewhere I can learn the basics of creating a sketch to extrude with brlcad, the tutorial I went through didn't have much in that dept? |
| 01:46.31 | starseeker | uh, our sketch stuff is kinda... sketchy |
| 01:48.34 | Jonimus | heh, well as a guy comming from Solidworks and NX6 I'm used to sketch->Extrude modeling so this'll take some getting used to :/ |
| 01:49.09 | louipc | more than kinda |
| 01:50.18 | Jonimus | I'm also having issues adjusting dimensions, is the primitive editor the main way of doing that? |
| 01:53.29 | louipc | yep |
| 01:53.40 | louipc | it's not very intuitive eh |
| 01:54.21 | Jonimus | :/ |
| 01:55.05 | Jonimus | besides the fact that its now working right for e at all |
| 01:55.33 | louipc | hm? |
| 01:55.39 | Jonimus | for me* |
| 01:55.59 | louipc | oh weird, what are you trying to adjust? |
| 01:56.18 | Jonimus | I get this when trying to adjust my ehy solid http://jonimus.pastebin.com/qt8CjZpL |
| 01:56.40 | Jonimus | its the only thing in the model so I have no clue what the issue is. |
| 02:21.09 | Jonimus | is the tutorial on the documentation page the best way to get the hang of things or are there other/better tutorials out there? |
| 02:21.41 | ``Erik | it's probbaly the least bad way |
| 02:23.18 | louipc | there are some docs in the package itself too you might want to look at, but I don't think they're any better than the pdfs |
| 02:24.31 | Jonimus | hmm ok |
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| 03:17.50 | louipc | hmm does this page look funky to you? http://brlcad.org/wiki/Sketch |
| 03:18.16 | louipc | for some reason my browser doesn't give me horizontal scrolling for this |
| 03:22.17 | Jonimus | louipc: yeah its broken for me also |
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| 08:08.06 | d_rossberg | brlcad: i don't think we should mess up common.h with the uint*_t stuff |
| 08:08.56 | d_rossberg | i would prefer to put some AC_CHECK_TYPES into configure.ac |
| 08:09.36 | d_rossberg | the new functions in libbu are of no interest outside BRLCADBUILD |
| 09:42.47 | Ralith | uint*_t? Aren't those provided by stdint.h? |
| 10:19.14 | d_rossberg | in C99 yes, but msvc isn't C99 |
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| 12:42.48 | brlcad | d_rossberg: I didn't realize the ones wrapped were new |
| 12:43.13 | brlcad | we use stdint types outside of those regardless, though |
| 12:44.34 | brlcad | AC_CHECK_TYPES wouldn't solve the problem for a nonBRLCADBUILD compile, callers would have to add their own stdint type checks |
| 12:45.06 | brlcad | seems reasonable for common to guarantee stdint types if we're going to allow their use in our public API |
| 12:49.26 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r37915 10/brlcad/trunk/include/fb.h: on second consideration, magic types are 2 bytes so make them uint32's |
| 12:51.11 | starseeker | ``Erik: huh. I've heard fairly good things about Qt Designer |
| 12:51.52 | starseeker | you could always try Qt Creator |
| 13:36.15 | starseeker | starts getting it together |
| 14:02.17 | d-lo | starseeker: what project are you using QT for? |
| 14:08.55 | d-lo | this makes me laugh: http://www.photopost.com/photopost/data/500/137204Worlds_First_PC.jpg |
| 14:09.15 | d-lo | those three control panels are from a Submarine Engineroom |
| 14:09.17 | d-lo | lol |
| 14:20.27 | d_rossberg | brlcad: the problem is there is no real distinction between public and private API |
| 14:32.46 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r37916 10/rt^3/trunk/docs/ibme.zargo: Drop old ArgoUML files. Antiquated. |
| 14:54.30 | ``Erik | actually tried creator first, *shrug* |
| 15:41.56 | starseeker | d-lo: ``Erik is looking at a replacement for gtk, iirc |
| 15:42.09 | starseeker | also, our Ogre+Qt experiments from gsoc |
| 15:44.17 | starseeker | huh http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/1351211/3D-Graphics-For-Firefox-Webkit |
| 15:49.00 | d-lo | kk |
| 15:52.52 | d-lo | neat link starseeker ! |
| 15:53.24 | d-lo | perhaps a new html tag is on the horizon: <brlcad></brlcad> ;) |
| 15:55.13 | ``Erik | huh, that 3d graphics thing in firefox... I think slusallek was walds mentor (whos paper was what adrt/isst was built from) and involved in the whole openrt thing |
| 15:56.01 | starseeker | hehe - we will become part of html6! |
| 15:56.34 | starseeker | meanders around collecting links to projects that might have useful parsers for conversion... |
| 15:59.06 | starseeker | ah yes, there it is... http://www.mevislab.de/inventor/ |
| 16:00.41 | ``Erik | http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.16.8749 |
| 16:01.12 | starseeker | hah, cool |
| 16:03.11 | d-lo | Mmmm pineapple.... |
| 16:27.51 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r37917 10/rt^3/trunk/src/GS/libNetwork/ (NetPortal.cxx NetPortalManager.cxx): forgot to add call to sendLocalHostName to kick off the handshaking. Also, minor comment fixes. |
| 16:36.18 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03davidloman * r37918 10/rt^3/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Removed string arg from name<->portal mapping call. Redundant args since name is contained in the Portal args. |
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| 19:19.05 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37919 10/brlcad/branches/dmtogl/src/libgcv/ (inventor-mevis.patch inventor-mevis.readme): |
| 19:19.05 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: Eeek. Open Inventor patch no longer present on http://mevislab.de/inventor and |
| 19:19.05 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: not readily locatable online - stash in dmtogl branch for now to make sure it |
| 19:19.05 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: doesn't get lost since we may want it for an Inventor importer. Keeping it out |
| 19:19.05 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: of trunk since in its current form it has no direct bearing on BRL-CAD. |
| 19:54.49 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37920 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libgcv/ (Makefile.am NOTES): Toss in a few notes on possible resources out there for file formats we're interested in. |
| 20:21.49 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37921 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_tk.c: Whoops - make sure we aren't starting out negative with y |
| 20:29.17 | CIA-85 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r37922 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_tk.c: Add parens around RGB output. |
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| 23:00.23 | louipc | http://omploader.org/vM3FpeQ/db5_bin |
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| 23:29.59 | stevegt_ | before I write it, does anyone know of any python code that drives mged in either batch or interactive mode? |
| 23:31.05 | stevegt_ | all I've been able to find so far is vasile's, at http://dev.forums.reprap.org/read.php?12,14558 |
| 23:44.21 | starseeker | don't know of any |
| 23:44.27 | starseeker | in fact, that is new to me |
| 23:45.40 | starseeker | louipc: stale files. I just did a fresh checkout, but that's probably overkill - try distclean and start from scratch, unless someone knows which specific things to nuke |
| 23:51.05 | louipc | haha damn. |
| 23:51.06 | louipc | http://omploader.org/vM3FqcA/distclean |
| 23:51.30 | starseeker | heh |
| 23:51.41 | starseeker | well, maybe that did enough |
| 23:51.49 | starseeker | might try rebuilding |
| 23:54.55 | ``Erik | there's a .Plo file in a deps directory that needs to be updated |
| 23:55.11 | ``Erik | re-running configure should do it I think |
| 23:55.27 | ``Erik | (might need to re-automake the specified makefile, though) |
| 23:56.23 | louipc | is there a command to remove all .in, etc files? |
| 23:58.50 | ``Erik | 'make distclean', but ya seem to be having issues with that :D |
| 23:59.00 | louipc | yeah |
| 23:59.24 | ``Erik | (does distclean actually rm the .in ones, or just the Makefiles? I think just the makefiles... could try 'rm'...) |
