| 02:02.23 | ``Erik | heh, dragons lair, been a long time since I've played that... (had it on cassette for my coleco adam, yo) |
| 02:56.15 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38336 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libged/bigE.c: wow, never got committed? utilize rt_obj_prep() instead of rt_functab[].ft_prep() |
| 03:00.06 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38337 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libbu/parse.c: engrish |
| 03:27.07 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38338 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libged/gqa.c librt/parse.c rt/hurt.c rt/opt.c): let the preprocessor warn us if we've expanded a character literal into a multibyte character (should give warning or fail) so we can better detect unintended cleanup mods. |
| 03:30.42 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38339 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 03:30.42 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: non-user developer/api features do not get listed as bullets. those are only |
| 03:30.42 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: for end-user visible changes, how things propagate up to their perspective. it |
| 03:30.42 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: can and was planning to be part of the verbose highlight, though, so placehold |
| 03:30.42 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: it. |
| 03:34.24 | jack | brlcad: ping? |
| 05:50.30 | jack | 's just building bzflag |
| 05:50.48 | jack | hope it's ok to commit the update to fink |
| 05:50.57 | jack | i added a few missing builddeps |
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| 11:22.47 | brlcad | jack: of course it's okay |
| 11:31.36 | brlcad | jack: and that tclcad.c failure is very bizarre -- first I've ever seen that message from a build, and it doesn't make any sense |
| 11:31.46 | brlcad | maybe some define getting in the way |
| 11:32.13 | brlcad | could try removing the #include "common.h" from src/other/incrTcl/itcl/generic/itclInt.h |
| 11:42.56 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38340 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/utility1.c: move towards constness, not away from it. moreover, avoid malloc/free when the sizes are constant (and small). |
| 11:50.00 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38341 10/brlcad/trunk/src/mged/utility1.c: shouldn't cast away the constness. try propagating it forward. |
| 11:54.40 | d-lo | Mernin! |
| 12:10.26 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38342 10/brlcad/trunk/src/rt/do.c: init some vars |
| 12:12.08 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38343 10/brlcad/trunk/BUGS: |
| 12:12.08 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: Rob Shinn reported to the users list that he was observing a (controlled) crash |
| 12:12.08 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: when ray tracing a camo object. crash was on 64-bit linux. alas crash report |
| 12:12.08 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: is for the wrong process, with the actual error being somewhere in worker(). |
| 12:12.08 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: should at least test reproducibility on our end. |
| 12:24.45 | brlcad | howdy! |
| 12:24.59 | d-lo | up early or late? :) |
| 12:25.11 | brlcad | both |
| 12:25.22 | d-lo | hah :) |
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| 13:34.57 | ``Erik | huh, a new bzflag was released |
| 13:38.37 | d-lo | pew pew pew pew |
| 13:39.32 | ``Erik | heh, I de-pew'd the mc stuff some O.o too much awesome for people who might want to use the function |
| 13:39.51 | ``Erik | rt_nmg_mc_pewpewpew -> nmg_mc_evaluate |
| 13:50.09 | d-lo | i like rt_nmg_mc_pewpewpew better |
| 13:53.41 | starseeker | ``Erik: new bzflag? last website update is 2008 on bzflag.sf.net |
| 14:00.34 | ``Erik | 2.0.16 on apr 1, 2010... hit happypenguin on apr5 |
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| 14:01.42 | ``Erik | heh, happypenguin reported 2.0.14 on apr5, the bzflag webpage says 2.0.14 was feb14 and 2.0.16 was apr1 |
| 14:16.28 | brlcad | bz web page is right |
| 14:17.44 | ``Erik | obviously, happypenguin is just so dang far behind :D |
| 14:35.36 | ``Erik | dang jove |
| 15:01.48 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r38344 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/jove/ (jove.h jove_term.c): header ordering shtuff to satisfy rhel55. |
| 15:07.59 | brlcad | http://redvsblue.com/archive/episode.php?id=1199 |
| 15:08.58 | brlcad | er, what was the problem in common.h that caused the need to reshuffle headers?? |
| 15:09.14 | ``Erik | some funkiness with _GNU_SOURCE |
| 15:09.35 | ``Erik | <-- tested rhel55/64, fbsd8/32 and osX/x86-32 |
| 15:09.36 | brlcad | including it after may just shift the errors to other platforms |
| 15:10.12 | brlcad | removing the undef _GNU_SOURCE didn't do it? |
| 15:10.16 | ``Erik | redvsblue is good stuff... didja see the mac gamer switch ad they did? |
| 15:10.25 | ``Erik | um, didn't try that, figured it might be in there for a reason *shrug* |
| 15:10.28 | brlcad | the one from years ago? |
| 15:10.31 | ``Erik | yeah |
| 15:10.40 | ``Erik | "I'm a mac, an dI'm a gamer... well... I used to be a gamer" |
| 15:10.51 | brlcad | so instead of one unexplained oddity, now there are two |
| 15:11.14 | ``Erik | yehhhh, svn rm -R woulda been my first choice, bbuuuttttt |
| 15:11.30 | ``Erik | the problem crops up on the cat machines |
| 15:12.22 | brlcad | bbuuutttt there's a deprecation process so there aren't random public changes that cause users major undue grief at a developer's whim |
| 15:12.25 | ``Erik | "why do the valets need bats?" |
| 15:13.22 | d-lo | lol |
| 15:13.32 | ``Erik | tests without the undef |
| 15:14.48 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r38345 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/jove/ (jove.h jove_term.c): removing the undef _GNU_SOURCE is satisfactory, as well. |
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| 17:18.48 | ``Erik | distcheck seems to have passed, w00t |
| 17:29.31 | jack | brlcad: http://paste.lisp.org/+235I |
| 17:29.45 | jack | not sure if that changed anything ;x |
| 17:40.58 | brlcad | jack: I replied to that earlier |
| 17:41.16 | brlcad | or is that after the #include was removed? |
| 17:42.39 | jack | yup |
| 17:42.52 | jack | title should say it, too :) |
| 17:43.35 | jack | well removed...i prepended "//" to that line |
| 17:43.47 | jack | should be a proper comment now iirc |
| 17:44.04 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 17:44.21 | brlcad | hrm! .. then that's even more bizarre |
| 17:44.41 | brlcad | do you have an existing tcl/tk getting included? |
| 17:44.51 | brlcad | in /sw/include |
| 17:45.06 | jack | nope |
| 17:45.24 | jack | configure detected the 8.4 tcl/tk in /usr/include |
| 17:45.36 | jack | but i have no clue what gets used or not |
| 17:45.50 | brlcad | what did the configure summary say? |
| 17:46.17 | brlcad | it's a few pages back in your config.log file |
| 17:46.22 | brlcad | near the end |
| 17:47.18 | jack | #define HAVE_TCL_H 1 |
| 17:47.19 | brlcad | can search on Build or "BRL-CAD Release" |
| 17:47.22 | jack | that line? |
| 17:47.37 | brlcad | no |
| 17:48.18 | jack | configure:8813: checking whether to build the Tcl library |
| 17:48.18 | jack | configure:8815: result: auto |
| 17:48.37 | brlcad | tail -1000 config.log | grep -A9 Build |
| 17:49.13 | jack | no hits |
| 17:49.23 | brlcad | er.. |
| 17:49.46 | jack | ok, with 2000 i get a couple hits |
| 17:50.07 | jack | configure:49041: result: Build Tcl ............................: no (using system) |
| 17:50.10 | jack | configure:49043: result: Build Tk .............................: no (using system) |
| 17:50.37 | brlcad | hm! |
| 17:50.50 | brlcad | that's fishy then as your build flags suggest otherwise |
| 17:51.00 | brlcad | provide the whole section |
| 17:51.05 | brlcad | tail -2000 config.log | grep -A52 "BRL-CAD Release" |
| 17:51.12 | jack | should i try with --build-everything? |
| 17:51.52 | brlcad | that's usually a good first step, just to make sure things build with OUR setup before system complexities are mixed in |
| 17:52.00 | brlcad | it's --enable-all |
| 17:53.18 | brlcad | I'm betting that failure is because tcl/tk were disabled and itcl/itk was enabled, and your tcl/tk are too old/incompatible |
| 17:53.43 | brlcad | shouldn't be possible as there's a test for that incompatibility, but conjecture nonetheless |
| 17:53.53 | jack | http://paste.lisp.org/+235K |
| 17:54.24 | jack | ok, will try make clean, reconfigure with --enable-all |
| 17:54.25 | brlcad | yeah, that's undoubtedly related to the problem |
| 17:54.32 | brlcad | the test must have been made to 7.16.7 |
| 17:54.52 | brlcad | because your summary says it's going to compile itcl/itk (which require tcl/tk private headers) |
| 17:55.10 | brlcad | and the failure is basically a missing typedef that would have come from their private header |
| 17:55.33 | jack | that's why i initially thought i need a tcltk 8.5 |
| 17:55.46 | jack | earlier brlcads puked loudly |
| 17:55.48 | brlcad | do you have a /sw/lib/librt* or /sw/lib/libbu* or /sw/lib/libbn* ? |
| 17:56.05 | brlcad | there are some configurations where that mix works just fine |
| 17:56.35 | brlcad | current trunk has a test for that specific incompatibility, which is what had me confused .. didn't realize you were on .6 |
| 17:56.58 | jack | ls /sw/lib/lib{rt,bu,bn}* |
| 17:56.59 | jack | ls: /sw/lib/libbn*: No such file or directory |
| 17:56.59 | jack | ls: /sw/lib/libbu*: No such file or directory |
| 17:56.59 | jack | ls: /sw/lib/librt*: No such file or directory |
| 17:57.06 | brlcad | okay, that's good |
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| 17:57.25 | brlcad | no serious danger with prefix=/sw then |
| 17:57.26 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:57.33 | ``Erik | /opt/local ? |
| 17:57.44 | jack | slaps ``Erik |
| 17:57.55 | jack | i don't use darwin/macports |
| 17:58.02 | ``Erik | okie :) |
| 17:58.31 | brlcad | 8 minutes to run configure, ouch |
| 17:58.38 | jack | and no, my /usr/local is a virgin as well |
| 17:59.35 | jack | brlcad: that used to be around 25 mins on my old mac (where i tried brl-cad for the first time) ;) |
| 17:59.52 | brlcad | then you, sir, are jack's medulla oblongata |
| 18:00.08 | jack | haha |
| 18:00.09 | brlcad | sounds like my old G4 |
| 18:00.28 | jack | it is my old g4 ;) |
| 18:00.33 | jack | 350mhz ftw! |
| 18:00.36 | ``Erik | pats his g3 |
| 18:00.52 | ``Erik | 350mhz g4? wow, my g3 is 650mhz I think |
| 18:00.55 | ``Erik | or 700 |
| 18:01.06 | jack | first sawtooth mac they sold |
| 18:01.24 | brlcad | my original 200mhz imac used to take an hour or something obscene |
| 18:01.34 | jack | should be 40mhz but i was lucky enough to hit a short timeframe where 400mhz cpus were out or something |
| 18:01.37 | ``Erik | mine's one of the last g3's, a chicklet ibook |
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| 18:01.42 | brlcad | last time I tried was probably 6 years ago, and it'd be even slower now |
| 18:01.43 | jack | erm 400 |
| 18:02.12 | ``Erik | I think with opennurbs, step and fop we've at least doubled compile time |
| 18:03.29 | brlcad | my dual 500 does continuous recompilation 24/7 |
| 18:04.08 | brlcad | takes it several hours from start to finish, autogen.sh alone takes about 30 minutes, another 30 or so for configure, couple hours to build |
| 18:04.16 | brlcad | used to be one hour on the nose |
| 18:04.24 | ``Erik | ow |
| 18:04.25 | brlcad | pre-open source days |
| 18:04.42 | ``Erik | was there any difference from cake to automake? |
| 18:04.51 | brlcad | did the initial mac port on that baby |
| 18:07.16 | jack | cake? yum...i bet you mean cmake |
| 18:07.22 | ``Erik | no, I mean cake |
| 18:07.40 | ``Erik | pre-dates cmake by a fair bit, I undid the cake stuff and converted to automake in '03? |
| 18:07.51 | jack | ouch, ok |
| 18:08.00 | jack | stone age cake |
| 18:08.38 | jack | anyway, bbiab...need to go pick up some fresh hash now |
| 18:09.01 | ``Erik | early 04 I guess |
| 18:09.21 | jack | automake was 1.6 then or so |
| 18:10.07 | jack | and libtool had tons of crap i needed to patch around everytime |
| 18:10.18 | brlcad | our m4 files still patch libtool |
| 18:11.21 | jack | configure:49073: result: X11 support (optional)................: yes |
| 18:11.22 | jack | configure:49075: result: OpenGL support (optional).............: no |
| 18:11.24 | brlcad | cake was esoteric but had one pretty cool feature, it allowed preprocessor logic |
| 18:11.35 | brlcad | that's fine |
| 18:11.54 | jack | that surprised me a bit...my opengl sits inside /usr/X11R6 |
| 18:13.21 | brlcad | whether it's on or off doesn't affect features much |
| 18:15.11 | jack | not even rtgl? |
| 18:16.47 | brlcad | "much" |
| 18:16.52 | brlcad | rtgl does require it :) |
| 18:17.04 | brlcad | rtgl is still considered experimental |
| 18:22.09 | jack | yeah |
| 18:22.33 | jack | ok, will start worrying about opengl once i got the rest to build |
| 18:24.57 | jack | (i'm glad bzflag always builds and runs perfectly) ;) |
| 18:25.11 | jack | much simpler software of course, admitted |
| 18:25.11 | brlcad | always.. *cough* |
| 18:25.13 | brlcad | riiight :) |
| 18:25.42 | brlcad | almost a whole order of magnitude simpler |
| 18:25.55 | jack | if not 2 :) |
| 18:26.03 | brlcad | nah, barely under one |
| 18:26.04 | ``Erik | I'm glad ping always builds and runs perfectly. |
| 18:26.11 | jack | lol :P |
| 18:26.13 | ``Erik | :D *duck* |
| 18:27.28 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38346 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libfb/if_ogl.c: Silence a few warnings. |
| 18:49.34 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r38347 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_class.c: |
| 18:49.34 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: get a pointer to the point_t first so we can avoid a compilation failure |
| 18:49.34 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: (reported on slackware) regarding the array subscript being above array bounds. |
| 18:49.34 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: unverified if it works, but addresses sf bug report 2962699 from Fred ( |
| 18:49.34 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: breakfastfish ). |
| 19:07.40 | jack | breakfast = wonderful word |
| 19:07.53 | jack | particularly for coders of course |
| 19:17.21 | jack | brlcad: is there a way to get something like --enable-all-but-zlib_and_libpng? :P |
| 19:32.58 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r38348 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/Makefile.am: disable nmg_junk.c as both it's symbols are static and unused. |
| 19:33.59 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r38349 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_tri.c: set default values to variables to squash warnings |
| 19:34.26 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r38350 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/ (cut.c primitives/nmg/nmg_fcut.c): disable unused static symbols |
| 19:48.41 | jack | fuck |
| 19:48.44 | jack | In file included from /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/tkInt.h:21, from /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/tk3d.c:16: |
| 19:48.47 | jack | /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/tk.h:23:3: error: #error Tk 8.5 must be compiled with tcl.h from Tcl 8.5 |
| 19:48.50 | jack | make[4]: *** [tk3d.o] Error 1 |
| 19:49.04 | jack | after just having built its own tcl |
| 20:04.55 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38351 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Added define for termcap.h when we're building our own libtermlib. |
| 20:14.19 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38352 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libdm/dm-ogl.c: Silence a few warnings. |
| 20:34.23 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38353 10/brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/obj_prep.c: Include rtfunc.h instead of raytrace.h. |
| 20:45.35 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r38354 10/brlcad/trunk/src/ (libfb/fb_obj.c libged/editit.c): Include string.h instead of strings.h |
| 21:14.18 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r38355 10/brlcad/trunk/configure.ac: Pass the tk include directory to tkhtml3 for systems with the TK headers in "odd" places (for package managers). |
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| 21:44.27 | ``Erik | heh http://laughingsquid.com/a-2-5-year-old-uses-an-ipad-for-the-first-time/ |
| 22:21.13 | CIA-73 | BRL-CAD: 03r_weiss * r38356 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/obj-g_new.c: more work correcting nmg creation logic |
| 23:01.36 | brlcad | jack: that could be a stale configure result, be sure to remove you config.cache and autom4te cache dir |
| 23:02.07 | jack | uh! thx! :) |
| 23:02.12 | brlcad | otherwise, it means it probably still picked up the /sw/include dir and got the tcl.h there |
| 23:02.53 | brlcad | sounds like its just stale though |
| 23:03.43 | jack | ok, config.cache.blabla removed |
| 23:03.57 | jack | can't find an autom4te cache dir |
| 23:08.37 | jack | ``Erik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko |
| 23:09.52 | brlcad | haha |
| 23:23.00 | jack | strong blender ;) |
| 23:23.05 | jack | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.09 | jack | still the same |
| 23:23.33 | jack | rerun configure after removing the cachefile? ok |
| 23:23.49 | brlcad | oh yeah, you reran configure I hope |
| 23:23.57 | ``Erik | huzzah, grocery shopping done O.o |
| 23:24.04 | jack | will do that now :) |
| 23:24.06 | jack | my bad |
| 23:24.29 | brlcad | autom4te.cache is the cache dir |
| 23:24.42 | jack | yeah, but not present at all |
| 23:28.14 | brlcad | hm, that is suspicious |
| 23:28.52 | brlcad | that said, even if it still occurs .. it's going to be because of include directory ordering -- /sw/include will need to be last or not at all |
| 23:29.31 | jack | even weirder: config.log clearly has "--with-tcl=builddirtcl" in one (or some) of the later steps |
| 23:29.52 | jack | but ok, will try to hide my /sw/include |
| 23:30.59 | jack | wait...tclConfig.sh is in some libdir, not include |
| 23:31.12 | jack | doesn't it use that for detection? |
| 23:31.18 | jack | might be harder to hide |
| 23:34.30 | ``Erik | heh, but he cheated getting the ipad into the blender... (the iphone one was more interesting, I think) |
| 23:35.06 | jack | haha yeah |
| 23:36.52 | brlcad | jack: all of the detections result in cflags/cppflags/ldflags getting set -- the flags are all there, but you have multiple matching header files (some on system, some being compiled) |
| 23:38.06 | brlcad | so even though there's a configure flag saying "look in dirA" and a tclConfig.sh saying "I'm in dirA", you have other stuff needing to look in dirB where there is another (incompatible) tcl.h |
| 23:38.25 | brlcad | when that is included, it kicks off that #error Tk 8.5 must be compiled with tcl.h from Tcl 8.5 |
| 23:38.47 | jack | yeah |
| 23:40.17 | jack | checking for Tcl configuration... (cached) found /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tcl/unix/tclConfig.sh |
| 23:40.21 | jack | checking for existence of /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tcl/unix/tclConfig.sh... loading |
| 23:40.25 | jack | checking for Tk configuration... found /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tk/unix/tkConfig.sh |
| 23:40.29 | jack | checking for existence of /Users/jack/build/brlcad-7.16.6/src/other/tk/unix/tkConfig.sh... loading |
| 23:40.32 | jack | looks so promising ;) |
| 23:41.12 | brlcad | mostly to be expected :) |
| 23:41.20 | jack | sure |
| 23:41.27 | brlcad | the kicker is the final CPPFLAGS |
| 23:41.43 | brlcad | if there's a /sw/include before src/other/tcl/generic, then there's a problem |
| 23:41.48 | jack | now where do i fix my CPPFLAGS? just make CPPFLAGS="blabla"? |
| 23:44.25 | jack | ok, seems to work |
| 23:44.46 | jack | -I/sw/include is last (before $CFLAGS) |
| 23:51.53 | jack | brlcad: if it builds now (i bet it will) |
| 23:52.04 | jack | should i enable rtgl? |
| 23:52.15 | brlcad | not if ogl is disabled |
| 23:52.18 | jack | or is it way too immature for "users" |
| 23:52.35 | brlcad | I'd suggest leaving it off for now |
| 23:52.41 | jack | ok |
| 23:53.30 | jack | it's "only" a raytracer, right? |
| 23:53.59 | jack | users can use povray for that... |
| 23:54.15 | brlcad | no, it's a shaded visualization mode in the editor |
| 23:54.28 | jack | oh ok, no povray |
| 23:54.36 | brlcad | our raytracer works just fine |
| 23:54.48 | jack | ok :) |
| 23:55.17 | brlcad | this is raytracing the geometry on the fly to generate a point-cloud that is then visualized with opengl |
| 23:55.33 | jack | i see |
| 23:55.34 | brlcad | otherwise the default is 2D raytrace images and 3D wireframes |
| 23:56.05 | jack | sounds great of course...will be fun once i can enable it and people run it on recent macs |
| 23:56.35 | jack | maybe in version 8 or so ;) |
| 23:56.36 | brlcad | it runs, heck was even developed on mac, but just isn't done yet |
| 23:56.54 | brlcad | rel8 won't be this year |
| 23:57.04 | brlcad | that's major incompatibility |
| 23:57.16 | brlcad | at least it implies that |
| 23:57.23 | jack | :) |
| 23:57.26 | jack | alright |