IRC log for #brlcad on 20100523

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01:51.07yukonbobhello, #brlcad :)
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04:15.47starseekerhmm
04:16.18starseekerautoconf-gl-macros author apparently chose that particular license because it's the license of GNU Autoconf
04:16.57starseekerfigures this is one of those fine points...
04:17.19starseekerwe use autoconf, but don't bundle it in the tree
04:17.56starseekerso autoconf being GPL + exception isn't an issue
04:18.32starseekerbut it would be an issue if (for whatever reason) we hand to bundle it into src/other...
04:22.22starseekerhmm... that exception clause makes me wonder a bit... it says the output scripts aren't restricted, but what about a configure.ac file that calls autoconf functions?  Is the configure.ac required to be GPL, but the resulting configure is not?
04:23.14starseekerblegh.  time for bed
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11:20.43``Erikneat regex http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
11:57.26starseekerO.o
11:57.40starseekerfigures it'd be a Perl module
12:00.15``Erikhell of a regex, though... those perl guys are naturals at obfuscated code
12:02.21``Erikhrm, this is lame, sbcl (or :uffi) doesn't bother with perror() :/
12:02.33``ErikError opening shared object "/Users/erik/src/cl/cl-sdl/build/sdlstub.dylib": dlopen(3) failed.
12:02.49starseekerhmm
12:02.51``Erikyet I can dlopen and dlsym stuff just fine from C
12:04.19``Erikok, uffi has no notion of dlopen itself, it wraps the implementations shtuff, so sbcl is being the stinker
12:04.44``Erikthat makes me a sad panda O.o
12:05.09starseekerthat'll be some wacky debugging
12:05.13``Erikheh
12:05.29``Erik<-- is extracting and configuring the source for sbcl right now. Gets to try modifying it. :/
12:14.47``Eriksucks that swig has no notion of callback definition
12:31.10starseekernotes Cliff Stoll has begun posting to Slashdot - wow, an event that might actually increase rather than decrease the quality of Slashdot
12:31.28starseekertries to recall the last time something like that happened...
12:38.56``Erik*think* /. kinda jumped the shark about when user accounts were added
12:39.31``Erik<-- 745, is allowed to have that opinion, get off my lawn :D
12:41.39``Erikhave to pick up a couple things from http://www.kleinbottle.com/
12:58.23``Erikheh, lame, sbcl's build does some dirty tricks with file outputs O.o *hackhackhack*
13:06.58starseekereyes tclConfig.sh... that'll probably... change when libtool is in play
13:07.48starseekerwishes he new whether he cared about all the SHLIB stuff...
13:10.41``Erikodd, "no such file or directory", c&p the string passed in and ls it, it exists :/
13:10.48starseekerO.o
13:11.06starseeker``Erik: what username did you go for on slashdot?  (if I want to know)
13:12.02``Erikprobably some silliness with all this NSAddImage stuff :/
13:12.13``Erikmy name with a dot in the middle
13:12.24starseekerah, nice and straightforward :-)
13:12.37``Erikor, wait, no, space, it allowed spaces
13:15.45starseekermight have done that, but was early in his internet days and was still kinda spooked by the whole thing
13:16.56``Erikdusts off his g4 powerbook pro O.o
13:17.05``Erikyeah, I'd gotten over being spooked by that point
13:17.56``Erikreal names can always be gotten one way or another, being excessively evasive just makes ya a target for assholes...
13:18.04``Erikwell, it does for me, cuz I tend to open my mouth and piss people off... :D
13:18.36``Erik<-- still called 'broke' or 'bman' by some people *shrug* :)
13:20.22starseekerheh - now I'm just too lazy to change
13:20.56starseekerkinda a silly name, but after a decade it's got some inertia
13:21.24starseekerthinks his bzflag name was one of his better name choices...
13:21.39``Erikbeing?
13:21.48starseekerTankingAtTanking
13:21.53``Erikin wow, my character names are a bit... odd O.o
13:22.09``ErikHurk (like, the joke death sound from red vs blue), slugeater, dratkcuf, ...
13:22.11starseekerespecially fitting if you've seen me play bzflag...
13:22.14``Erik(read the last one backwards)
13:22.23starseekerheh
13:22.34``Erikused to quake as Br0X
13:23.08starseekerwas just one of the anonymous swarm of cannon fodder in quake matches...
13:23.09``Erik(which came from Br0kE, which came from BR0keNMAn, cuz it's a damn awesome song and I was lame in '96)
13:23.56``Erikin the 80's, it was 'Black Dragon' on bbs's, cuz I was REALLY lame and a kid :D
13:24.11starseeker:-D
13:24.12``Erikand my ascii art attempt at big BD letters came out looking like BO O.o woops
13:24.20starseekerhehehehe
13:24.37starseekerah well, we live and learn
13:25.02``Erik'sides, if I go by Erik, then I get to claim that ray stevens wrote my theme song :D
13:27.06``Erikhttp://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=447
13:27.41``Erik"Subtle as a chainsaw, lacking all the Social Graces" ... :D
13:36.43starseekerhehe
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14:31.46``Erikyeh, sbcl 1.0.38 might be a bit busted on mac :/
14:31.47``Eriklameness
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15:54.52smaddoxhey everyone. Can someone help me compile brlcad for Mac OS X 10.6? I'm having a lot of trouble
15:58.29``Erikdo you have both X11.app and Xcode installed?
15:59.25smaddoxyes.
16:00.04smaddoxI also have darwin ports installed, and tried to get all the dep's installed, thought I'm not sure if I'm having trouble due to mixing darwin ports libraries with Xcode stuff
16:00.34``Erikhm, macports ya mean? :)
16:00.49``Erikwhat's the issue?
16:01.10smaddoxI fail at the same point as this guy:http://old.nabble.com/-brlcad-tracker----brlcad-Support-Requests-2924966---Make-error-in-Snow-Leopard-for-openNURBS-td27003602.html
16:01.22smaddoxhttp://old.nabble.com/-brlcad-tracker----brlcad-Support-Requests-2924966---Make-error-in-Snow-Leopard-for-openNURBS-td27003602.html
16:01.58smaddoxAlthough, that is only when I do as suggested in that thread, and use -O2
16:02.11smaddoxusually, I fail at some TK deps
16:02.14``Erikare you using the tarball or a subversion checkout?
16:02.20smaddoxtarball
16:02.25``Erikhrm, tk deps, try --enable-all in the configure line?
16:02.57smaddoxI also get this configure warning:
16:03.31smaddoxchecking for XGetExtensionVersion in -lXi... (cached) no
16:03.32smaddoxconfigure: }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
16:03.32smaddoxconfigure: WARNING: X11 support is enabled but the Xi library was not found.
16:03.32smaddoxconfigure: WARNING: This will likely result in a build failure.
16:03.33smaddoxconfigure: WARNING: See config.log for details why (look for this comment)
16:03.33smaddoxconfigure: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{
16:03.36``Erikcan you check to see if your'e compiling the step stuff with both -O3 and -ggstabs3? there's a bug in gcc that might be getting triggered
16:04.03``Erikooh, missing libXi might be bad O.o (unfortunately, I don't have 10.6, just 10.2 10.4 and 10.5)
16:04.21smaddoxwell, thats the thing, I've installed it in macports
16:04.27smaddoxbut it doesn't find it i guess
16:04.50smaddoxcan I just point it to it somehow? or will that cause problems with using a different X11
16:04.51``Erikyou might have to do something with CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS or something to get it to see the stuff in /opt/local
16:06.29``Erikseeing if the /opt/local/{include,lib} stuff is getting in there might be useful... *shrug*
16:07.41smaddoxhmm.. how do I do that.
16:07.57``Erikcrank up config.log in vim or emacs and search? :D
16:08.04smaddoxk
16:09.11smaddoxok, so I guess /opt/local/lib and /opt/local/include aren't in my path. I'll try adding them
16:11.06``Erikthe INSTALL file has some notes around line 600 or so
16:15.31smaddoxwell I added /opt/local/lib and /opt/local/include, but it still isn't finding libxi
16:15.41smaddoxhow do you updatedb in mac os x?
16:16.12``Erikjust like fbsd... :D /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb
16:16.47smaddoxthx
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16:19.49smaddoxwell, colloquy just crashed and I lost all your suggestions
16:20.03smaddoxwhat IRC app do you use on mac os x?
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16:21.52``Erikheh, I ssh into a fbsd machine and run irssi (used to be bx)
16:23.00``Erikthe INSTALL file, around like 600 has some info
16:30.26smaddoxgah, why does everything have to be so different from linux
16:30.41``Erikbecause linux is so different from everyone else... :D
16:31.01``Erikmight as well be asking why everything is backwards from windows ;) *duck*
16:31.15smaddoxheh
16:33.09``Erikone example to mkae that point is 'jot', goes back to the 70's, works the same on bsd, solaris, hpux, aix, mac, ... but linux doesn't have it. linux has 'seq', which is almost the same, but has a couple differences in input order and meaning...
16:35.45smaddoxwell, you know what they say about intuitive interfaces
16:36.54``Erik<-- sitting with two macipples on his table here :D
16:37.18``Erik(the small fast new one dedicated to WoW right now)
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17:10.42smaddoxwell, I cleaned the configuration cache, and that got rid of the libXi warning
17:10.50smaddoxwell, that and I ran autogen.sh
17:10.55smaddoxnot really sure which did it
17:15.52smaddoxYAY! It compiled!
17:16.18smaddoxnow, should I try to compile with optimizations?
17:16.45smaddoxuh oh.. benchmark failed
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17:29.34``Erikwhat'd it fail on?
17:29.59smaddoxRT
17:30.13smaddoxnot sure what exactly, it's probably out of the buffer by now
17:30.23smaddoxi'm recompiling with --enable-optimized
17:32.14Nohla``Erik bad news, cant find the translations
17:33.21Nohlaif they're not hidden in some place at the repo, I'll have to do it again
17:50.34smaddox``Erik so it still failed to benchmark
17:50.48smaddoxUsing [./../sh/elapsed.sh] for ELP
17:50.48smaddox./run.sh: line 594: 65957 Trace/BPT trap          $RT -s1 -F/dev/debug ${DB}/moss.g LIGHT > /dev/null 2>&1
17:50.51smaddoxERROR:  RT does not seem to work as expected
17:50.54smaddox*** BENCHMARK TESTING FAILED ***
17:50.56smaddoxmake[1]: *** [run] Error 1
17:50.59smaddoxmake: *** [benchmark] Error 2
18:36.27starseekereyes the Tk configure.in file and turns a bit pale
19:11.42``Erikheh
19:11.55``Erikso much ugly for so little actually accomplished, no? :D
19:19.43``Erikwhere the heck is my rubber mallet? I just used a claw hammer and a wadded up rag on my poor car O.o
19:22.41``Erik(reseating the strut caps, soon they'll go away and the brace will be there instead)
19:49.26``Erik<-- has no idea what nohla has lost :/
19:50.18``Eriksmaddox: any luck?
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20:34.11``Erikjesica: which translations? which repo?
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22:36.07smaddox``Erik: well the benchmark doesn't get past the first test, but i tried installing it anyway. No luck, though. mged just crashes
22:37.23smaddoxException Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
22:37.23smaddoxException Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000007d63a8818
22:37.24smaddoxCrashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
22:38.28smaddoxyou know of anyone getting brlcad to work on osx 10.6?
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23:47.39starseeker``Erik: actually, the main problem is going to be knowing what can be chopped
23:48.00starseekera lot of logic goes into windowing system detection and whether or not to build and Apple Framework
23:49.15starseekerI took that out of the tcl logic, but now I'm wondering if it will need to go back in
23:49.23starseeker(not for our needs obviously...)
23:50.18starseekermight be a good candidate for an m4 macro
23:51.50starseeker(the windowing logic obviously has to stay, in some shape or form)
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