| 00:07.37 | ``Erik | odd, cmake in the binary ogre worked okish on my work box, but not my home box :/ |
| 00:20.28 | starseeker | grrrrowl |
| 00:20.36 | starseeker | why can't they make their build more robust?? |
| 00:31.37 | ``Erik | cuz they use cmake :D *duck* |
| 00:32.00 | ``Erik | d'no, for some reason, it cannot find its own headers :/ wonder if I have old ogre crap confusing it |
| 00:35.54 | ``Erik | why is it that my cats decide that the best time to jump on my lap and ram my arms is when I'm trying to rebuild the drive linkage on a 1:36 scale r/c car with very very tiny parts? |
| 01:09.46 | starseeker | blinks |
| 01:10.10 | starseeker | clang doesn't like fnblank and friends being inline - seems to dump them out of the .so somehow |
| 01:10.14 | starseeker | gotta be a clang bug |
| 01:11.49 | starseeker | wonders why those are inline, really... performance issue? |
| 01:11.57 | starseeker | (fnmatch.c in libbu) |
| 01:14.11 | ``Erik | could be an ancient optimization, or over-zealous optimization |
| 01:14.18 | ``Erik | much liek our excessive use of 'register' :/ |
| 01:14.43 | ``Erik | I wonder if clang views it as an instruction instead of a hint? |
| 01:22.46 | starseeker | possibly, but it hasn't done so in the past |
| 01:26.37 | starseeker | sigh - well, getting closer - was able to build OpenNURBS after a couple of tweaks (possibly correct) |
| 01:27.01 | starseeker | now it doesn't like something in the step convertor, and of course bu_byteoffset |
| 01:27.44 | starseeker | ../../../../brlcad/src/conv/step/PullbackCurve.cpp:410:23: error: variable length |
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| 01:27.49 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:23.35 | starseeker | hmm - could that complaint about variable length + non-POD type actually be legit? |
| 03:25.03 | starseeker | wonders if that can be done with bu_malloc in C++... |
| 03:32.23 | starseeker | Huh - some activity on the varkon lists |
| 03:32.32 | starseeker | or list rather... |
| 03:32.46 | starseeker | ``Erik: hehehe - someone there wants to move Varkon's gui to gtk+ |
| 03:33.15 | starseeker | keeps meaning to take a closer look at Varkon - their core libs are LGPL and they claim to do some parametric modeling |
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| 03:34.41 | starseeker | http://varkon.sourceforge.net/scrdmp9.htm |
| 03:35.28 | starseeker | hmm, C libraries and considering Gtk+ - sounds like we've found you a CAD project ``Erik :-P |
| 03:42.19 | starseeker | drills into the GE header and gawks - doggone it, reminds me of the SISL manual - all the function names are numbers |
| 03:42.25 | starseeker | mutter |
| 03:43.21 | starseeker | waaaaait a minute, wait a minute, wait a MINUTE |
| 03:43.38 | starseeker | #define SURSUR 15 /* Surface/surface intersection |
| 03:43.49 | starseeker | is now VERY interested |
| 03:46.28 | starseeker | gods, I wonder how good the routines are... could they actually work? and if so, could they be mapped to OpenNURBS? |
| 03:46.56 | starseeker | maybe they do have SISL like abilities |
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| 04:39.32 | starseeker | guess the first step is to actually build the sucker and try it... |
| 04:41.07 | starseeker | growl... Ogre, Togl, Tcl/Tk, TkTable, tkhtml3, NIST SCL... I'm gonna be dreaming in autotools one of these days |
| 05:11.47 | starseeker | humph - there's a note in the surface - surface intersection file that "this function is not finished" |
| 05:11.56 | starseeker | uh, ok... what's left?? |
| 05:16.33 | starseeker | decides to inquire on the email list... |
| 06:04.30 | starseeker | is still curious, but no longer 2am curious |
| 06:43.30 | starseeker | hmm, nifty - mozilla add-on that users could opt-in use, to track how they used the interface |
| 06:43.47 | starseeker | good for UI design studies |
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| 12:06.27 | ``Erik | we'd discussed adding that to BRL-CAD before |
| 12:07.16 | ``Erik | iirc, I voiced concern that if people know usage is being monitored, they'd start using the odd utilities they champion that'd otherwise go unused :/ |
| 12:07.28 | ``Erik | "don't delete this thing I never use, I need it!" |
| 12:08.09 | Ralith | better that they find some way to make use of it than that there be nothing to go on but their word. |
| 12:08.31 | ``Erik | surpose so *shrug* |
| 12:10.24 | ``Erik | might be a better use of time to wire in like, uh, "talkback" or something, so if something crashes, it attempts to email the bu bomb log 'n stuff. the guys we're paid to improve BRL-CAD for are told to give those to us, but don't :/ |
| 12:58.55 | brlcad | I started that with the bomb logs and bombardier tool |
| 12:59.16 | brlcad | the intent was to have mged kick off bombardier on a bomb, give the user the option of sending it in |
| 12:59.49 | ``Erik | yeh, *shrug* is finishing that up a card yet? heh :) |
| 12:59.51 | brlcad | didn't finish, but most of the scaffolding is there |
| 13:00.22 | brlcad | it's been on my mind to finish it up |
| 13:01.38 | ``Erik | (oh, both solaris machines are posting errors, the sparc has a fan fault and is vibrating, the x86 supposedly won't evne pull up prom?) |
| 13:05.38 | ``Erik | prepares his car for an oil change O.o |
| 13:13.01 | brlcad | lovely |
| 13:36.02 | ``Erik | holy crap, http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1938146 at 4:35 is definitely a 'new undies' moment O.O |
| 13:36.30 | ``Erik | on a race track, passed like standing still by a car... that's upside down and in the air above you O.O |
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| 14:36.49 | ``Erik | damnit, not open on saturdays :( and I'm sure not on this monday |
| 14:37.01 | ``Erik | grabs the electric trimmer and gets retarded on the bushes |
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| 16:56.02 | ``Erik | ehh |
| 16:56.16 | ``Erik | just threw his phone in the toilet :( |
| 16:58.46 | ``Erik | zo! iphone or android |
| 18:09.16 | starseeker | hehehe |
| 18:09.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, done that a couple times |
| 18:09.42 | starseeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.03 | luke-jr | ``Erik: no |
| 18:27.09 | luke-jr | phones are lame |
| 18:27.33 | luke-jr | just get a pocket-sized laptop that can run a daemon to turn your bluetooth headset into a phone |
| 18:27.34 | luke-jr | <.< |
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| 19:31.57 | ``Erik | heh, my phone is a razr... I |
| 19:32.01 | ``Erik | I'm a luddite |
| 20:16.22 | ``Erik | or, slvr, rather... candybar form of the razr |
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| 21:33.43 | starseeker | dives down yet another rabbit hole and reads up on Google's C++ test framework... |
| 21:40.15 | ``Erik | heh |
| 21:40.26 | ``Erik | libcheck was pretty nifty for C code |
| 21:40.39 | ``Erik | junit is actually pretty slick, but java |
| 21:41.03 | ``Erik | http://check.sourceforge.net/ is the one I know, I think |
| 21:42.25 | ``Erik | yeh, here we go http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=933411&group_id=28255&atid=392815 |
| 21:42.28 | ``Erik | :D |
| 21:42.45 | brlcad | there are a couple c-unit testers mirrored after junit |
| 21:42.56 | starseeker | got the bright idea of seeing if the Varkon guys (guy?) who's working on surface/surface intersection would be interested in consolidating efforts on making openNURBS into a full-fledged library for NURBS... |
| 21:43.00 | brlcad | google's isn't too shabby either |
| 21:43.13 | brlcad | although a bit NIBM |
| 21:43.31 | ``Erik | which is your own invented NIH? :D *duck* |
| 21:43.49 | brlcad | nibm is nibm :) |
| 21:43.50 | starseeker | would essentially be a project independent of BRL-CAD, but hopefully something we could use |
| 21:44.20 | brlcad | nih fits |
| 21:44.32 | starseeker | National Institute of Health? :-P |
| 21:44.37 | ``Erik | hasn't looked at googles thang, got a hair up his arse back then and decided 'check' was the least bad at the time *shrug* |
| 21:44.47 | brlcad | starseeker: it's only more work for him unless you promise to commit resources/time/effort to help :) |
| 21:44.51 | ``Erik | but my patch there to 'help' them was 2004, so *shrug* |
| 21:44.54 | starseeker | brlcad: I know :-P |
| 21:44.56 | ``Erik | I used to be cool |
| 21:45.08 | starseeker | brlcad: but we need that ability too someday |
| 21:45.20 | starseeker | any free CAD worth its salt will |
| 21:45.21 | brlcad | our need should dictate OUR actions, not his :) |
| 21:45.31 | brlcad | of course it's worth it (for us) |
| 21:45.50 | brlcad | feel free to ask him, but just be prepared to actually collaborate considerably |
| 21:45.57 | starseeker | oh, of course |
| 21:46.06 | brlcad | a collaboration would be fantastic |
| 21:46.30 | ``Erik | if opennurbs becomes a zomfg package we could externally link to, that'd be awesome... I'd maintain a freebsd port for it, just to keep the BRL-CAD weight down |
| 21:46.31 | starseeker | would LIKE to ideally rope in Blender and Ayam as well... |
| 21:46.43 | brlcad | i suspect they may be outright uninterested in using opennurbs, though, and just rolling their own |
| 21:46.56 | starseeker | probably |
| 21:47.00 | starseeker | but no harm asking |
| 21:47.07 | brlcad | nih is default action |
| 21:47.08 | ``Erik | what's the status of twinkies nurbs stuff? |
| 21:47.21 | starseeker | wasn't Blender shifting to looking at OpenNURBS? |
| 21:47.22 | brlcad | twinkies nurbs stuff was integrated, so even less motivation for blender |
| 21:47.25 | ``Erik | did the blender guys decide not to use it? |
| 21:47.32 | starseeker | googles |
| 21:47.41 | starseeker | I thought they were looking at ON... |
| 21:47.42 | brlcad | a year and a half ago iirc |
| 21:47.49 | ``Erik | hm |
| 21:48.02 | brlcad | they probably were, doesn't mean they can't do research and production at the same time :) |
| 21:48.23 | brlcad | twinkies stuff wasn't exactly anything and everything someone might want |
| 21:48.27 | brlcad | blender |
| 21:48.40 | brlcad | blender's stuff is heavily gui-centric |
| 21:48.46 | starseeker | If they're interested, they might be persuaded to team up on an LGPL library - they can use it with GPL... |
| 21:48.53 | ``Erik | well, he wrote it for nurbana, then said "hey, if ya want it, here ya go" iirc |
| 21:48.53 | brlcad | they had a gsoc student working on the initial integration about 3 years ago |
| 21:49.16 | brlcad | he finished, then they got GUI integration completed shortly after iirc |
| 21:49.33 | ``Erik | he even went to siggraph to chase down the few people who grokked the concept, 's how he met kermit |
| 21:50.41 | brlcad | we found out like three years later that we sat next to each other at blender's pre-open source BoF |
| 21:50.54 | brlcad | there was only like a dozen people there that year |
| 21:50.58 | brlcad | now a few hundred.. :) |
| 21:51.08 | ``Erik | :) |
| 21:51.22 | starseeker | mutter... come on google, I know it's out there, cough it up |
| 21:51.26 | ``Erik | oh, shit, speaking off, brb, have to see if I still have a valid cc for travel |
| 21:52.02 | brlcad | had a surprisingly good day at the bank, refi'd the car and saved a few G |
| 21:52.13 | brlcad | (speaking of money and travel) |
| 21:52.57 | starseeker | reflects that the TODO list for a juiced up OpenNURBS is pretty easy - just grep for Rhino SDK :-/ |
| 21:54.03 | ``Erik | and I do not :( I'll have to see if I can fix things tuesday, I might have to abort :( |
| 21:54.18 | starseeker | arrgh |
| 21:54.29 | starseeker | hmm, is this it? http://sites.google.com/a/ckbrd.de/blender---nurbs/blender-nurbs |
| 21:55.39 | ``Erik | <-- thinks he'll probably only ever see debt for real estate, don't intend to ever take out a loan (for more than a few days) on a car or anything |
| 21:55.51 | ``Erik | livin' po' has it's advantages |
| 21:56.20 | ``Erik | ok, I might go into debt for this tuxedo thingiemajigger in october O.o |
| 21:56.54 | ``Erik | and if my phone isn't salvagable, sell a kidney for like an iphone or something |
| 21:56.57 | ``Erik | or droid |
| 21:57.13 | starseeker | ``Erik: uh, I think you can rent a tuxedo... |
| 21:57.21 | starseeker | certainly hopes HE can... |
| 21:57.27 | ``Erik | yeah, that's kinda what I'm figurin' on |
| 21:58.10 | ``Erik | I can just see it now... "rent a tux? whoa, buddy, you're way too old to be going to a prom, do I have to call the cops?" |
| 21:58.48 | ``Erik | so is it powder blue or salmon pink? |
| 21:58.53 | ``Erik | :D |
| 21:59.54 | starseeker | hehehe |
| 22:00.12 | starseeker | will find out soon |
| 22:00.24 | starseeker | ``Erik: you gonna bake your phone in the oven again? |
| 22:00.32 | ``Erik | starseeker: http://m5.posterous.com/ |
| 22:00.38 | ``Erik | oven? huh? |
| 22:00.51 | ``Erik | no, I gave it another alcohol bath, it's drying out now |
| 22:01.15 | ``Erik | tried firing it up, it booted but the screen looked like the lcd was a bit wet and the keypad wasn't working, so letting it dry more |
| 22:01.29 | starseeker | nods |
| 22:01.36 | starseeker | a SLIME for vim huh? |
| 22:01.51 | ``Erik | slime mentality, vim/python |
| 22:02.08 | ``Erik | so zoomzoom into panda3d |
| 22:02.43 | starseeker | brlcad: that's a pretty good refinance - better interest rate? |
| 22:03.51 | ``Erik | compound interest is evil O.o |
| 22:04.12 | ``Erik | people who don't understand the math get bent over on it, so'z the banks love it |
| 22:04.44 | starseeker | scowls at Blender - why are they hiding their web repository interface? |
| 22:07.11 | brlcad | starseeker: yep |
| 22:07.32 | brlcad | fcu has a deal going where they will beat an existing by 2% |
| 22:08.01 | starseeker | awesome - too bad they've already got mine :-P |
| 22:08.07 | ``Erik | brlcad: when ya stepping up to the tesla? :D saw one in churchville the other day, first thought it was an elise, then decided the nose was all wrong, then saw the T badge O.o |
| 22:08.18 | brlcad | churchville, really? |
| 22:08.32 | ``Erik | off of 22, just down the road from where I saw the murciallago |
| 22:08.39 | brlcad | I don't have an outlet or parking spot to reliably charge it |
| 22:08.50 | ``Erik | they're putting in like 50 stations on 95 |
| 22:08.55 | starseeker | mentally pictures brlcad accelerating in a tesla and shudders slightly - the laws of physics are gonna be pissed |
| 22:09.14 | ``Erik | claiming ~30m to fully charge most electrics |
| 22:09.29 | starseeker | brlcad: that's easy - looooong extension cord :-P |
| 22:09.30 | brlcad | riiight |
| 22:09.47 | ``Erik | the tesla has a disturbing straight line acceleration, but it seems to handle like a boat compared to the elise |
| 22:10.03 | ``Erik | top gear gave 'em a toe to toe treatment, good fun |
| 22:10.09 | brlcad | this is more like it: http://www.carthrottle.com/hennessey-venom-gt-the-725bhp-v8-lotus-elise/ |
| 22:10.14 | starseeker | ``Erik: sure, that's not surprising - isn't the tesla a good bit heavier? |
| 22:10.25 | ``Erik | yes, without stiffened suspension to cope |
| 22:10.28 | brlcad | I just love how it didn't fit, so they cut the body and extended it |
| 22:10.28 | ``Erik | they use batteries |
| 22:10.46 | starseeker | brlcad: wow |
| 22:10.50 | ``Erik | hennesy venom is nice... as long as you only ever put it on a drag strip. |
| 22:10.54 | brlcad | even better, they hit 1000 hp |
| 22:10.59 | ``Erik | er, viper |
| 22:11.05 | starseeker | that thing could get mistaken for the batmobile |
| 22:11.14 | ``Erik | no, starseeker |
| 22:11.22 | ``Erik | you'd have to see more than a blur to assume it's a batmobile |
| 22:11.23 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:11.33 | starseeker | heh, point |
| 22:11.49 | starseeker | brlcad: that last visual down there almost looks like they're using VTK to visualize airflow |
| 22:11.55 | ``Erik | wow, everything looks nice until the air hits that wing, then it all gets retarded |
| 22:12.20 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:13.05 | ``Erik | cliffy, that you focused on software on the image where even a nerd like myself commented on the air flow... wow... |
| 22:13.18 | brlcad | an odometer that goes up to 270 ... yikes :) |
| 22:13.47 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:13.49 | brlcad | starseeker: that airflow looks like a standard fluid dynamics code |
| 22:14.12 | ``Erik | and those ain't elise style rims and tires, a bit bigger methinks |
| 22:14.15 | starseeker | ``Erik: so do I win some kinda nerd prize? :-P |
| 22:14.19 | starseeker | brlcad: ah, k |
| 22:14.26 | ``Erik | ther'es gotta be NO suspension |
| 22:14.41 | ``Erik | or a minor bump would push the tire up into the body work |
| 22:16.00 | ``Erik | starseeker: if you weren't engaged, I'd be tempted to propose you for a "virgin for life" award ;> *duck* |
| 22:16.20 | ``Erik | which is worth a LOT of slashdot accomplishment points, btw |
| 22:18.26 | starseeker | brlcad: so if you upgrade to that sucker, do you go lethal black or eye-catching orange? |
| 22:18.49 | ``Erik | thought brlcad's original desire was arctic silver |
| 22:19.35 | ``Erik | for the pumpkin, even, but "IwannitNOW" won over? :D |
| 22:20.04 | starseeker | ah, this is why I was thinking VTK... http://mayavi.sourceforge.net/screenshots/lox_str_pr.gif |
| 22:21.25 | ``Erik | y'know, when I bought the old m3, I wanted black... now that I have the black m3, I miss the laguna seca blau one :( |
| 22:22.25 | ``Erik | odd, this phone won't even attempt to boot without a sim card |
| 22:23.34 | brlcad | the hyrdaulic air foil is neat |
| 22:23.43 | starseeker | Ah ha - http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2010-March/026464.html |
| 22:23.48 | brlcad | yeah, silver was a first choice |
| 22:24.31 | ``Erik | puts his phone on a cookie sheet just incase it decides to catch fire while charging |
| 22:25.42 | brlcad | okay maybe not first choice, but it was probably a smidgen higher |
| 22:25.59 | ``Erik | "hydraulic airfoil"? |
| 22:26.36 | ``Erik | does the hennesey elise have a powered wing? |
| 22:27.15 | ``Erik | porsche has been doing that for yrs, was next to a porsche 911 category in missoura, at ~40mph, it lifted up |
| 22:27.34 | ``Erik | and, y'know, he was way ahead of my beat up beater pickup at the time :D |
| 22:28.47 | ``Erik | still thinks a branch 'event' of heading down to floriduh for a driving course would be fun :D |
| 22:29.01 | brlcad | burnt orange would have been cool, but nearly impossible to find |
| 22:29.13 | ``Erik | what's the name of the orange you have? |
| 22:29.14 | starseeker | ``Erik: but then you couldn't twit me for my lack of fancy driving skills |
| 22:29.20 | brlcad | not sure, but it it looks like that hennesy wing is powered |
| 22:29.50 | ``Erik | d'no, those pics make it look like it's a skeletal frame, no powered to it *shrug* |
| 22:29.51 | brlcad | there are driving courses down in DC |
| 22:29.58 | ``Erik | not dc, alexandria |
| 22:30.00 | brlcad | it fits into the body, though |
| 22:30.18 | ``Erik | one of my neighbors taught there, he moved away though |
| 22:30.29 | brlcad | not the concept images, the final production video |
| 22:30.44 | ``Erik | had a little silver porsche, used to put it on semi-slicks and go a bit nuts down there |
| 22:30.57 | ``Erik | oh, didn't watch the video |
| 22:31.01 | ``Erik | um |
| 22:31.21 | ``Erik | I believe nc has a bmw driving school, florida has one of the top 2 in the US, the other being cali |
| 22:31.38 | brlcad | here, it's down: http://www.speedlux.com/1000-hp-hennessey-venom-gt-new-photos-and-details/ |
| 22:32.16 | ``Erik | the cali one is all dodge stuff, so neons, street trucks, then make all the testosterone driven kids make a fool of themselves with the vipers |
| 22:32.33 | ``Erik | neat |
| 22:32.59 | ``Erik | I guess if you never have enough traction to apply the power, you can waste a bit on the weight and drive for toys |
| 22:33.22 | ``Erik | 0/60 2.2... ow... |
| 22:33.39 | brlcad | yeah.. :) |
| 22:33.44 | ``Erik | that's almost 2 g's, right? |
| 22:33.59 | brlcad | that's approaching dangerous |
| 22:34.51 | ``Erik | I think with good tires and temp, I'm just a hair over 1g, doing 0/60 4.8 |
| 22:35.13 | ``Erik | and when I actually honk down and drop it in 2nd, it's definitely an event |
| 22:35.47 | ``Erik | probably similar to the old c10 with the race engine, which at the time, I coudlnt' reach forward while accelerating |
| 22:35.48 | brlcad | now to find someone to actually try and stand "up" horizontally while I take off that fast |
| 22:35.55 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 22:36.35 | ``Erik | bets an elise would tromp his m3 on 0-40, would probably pass at ~60ish :D |
| 22:36.50 | brlcad | prolly |
| 22:37.07 | ``Erik | but cornering, I need to learn more |
| 22:37.14 | ``Erik | I tend to come in too fast and oversteer |
| 22:37.53 | ``Erik | some sites claim a .98, some claim a .89... both awfully fast, but ... I dog in too fast and don't power through hard enough, so I put it in an oversteer |
| 22:38.21 | brlcad | I oversteered a little today taking the 95 on-ramp from 22 (from the west) |
| 22:38.27 | ``Erik | got a good cross wiggle this morning, though O.o surprised I didn't hit a curb |
| 22:38.56 | ``Erik | yeah, why do you do 22? I woulda figured 715/7/543/95 would be a lot faster and shorter |
| 22:39.18 | brlcad | wasn't at apg |
| 22:39.23 | ``Erik | 40 is crap, 7 is slow, but it's short |
| 22:39.35 | ``Erik | you do 22 from apg, though... |
| 22:39.43 | brlcad | sometimes, I mix it up |
| 22:39.54 | brlcad | you know, avoid being a predictable target and all |
| 22:39.56 | ``Erik | 'k, saw ya on 22 going home twice recently |
| 22:40.03 | ``Erik | 7 is fun |
| 22:40.14 | ``Erik | especially if you can torque up out of the traffic circle |
| 22:40.43 | ``Erik | 40/543 is a waste of time, don't do that, but 7... :D |
| 22:40.50 | ``Erik | *shrug* |
| 22:40.57 | ``Erik | hey, is jason still doing xcross? |
| 22:41.45 | ``Erik | I've seen his mini here and there, but haven't talked to him in a while :/ |
| 22:46.57 | starseeker | ah - this looks useful: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-googletestingframework.html |
| 22:48.49 | ``Erik | their scratch of the surface looks almost identical to the old check lib's scratch |
| 22:49.29 | ``Erik | like, trivial sed difference |
| 22:50.02 | ``Erik | *shrug* the goog stuff might have other advantages, I d'no :) |
| 22:50.14 | starseeker | shrugs - yeah, I'm not surprised - I think it's when you get into the more hairy C++ stuff it gets interesting |
| 22:50.24 | starseeker | e.g. Google Mock |
| 22:50.48 | brlcad | yeah, he is |
| 22:50.53 | brlcad | is at a mini meet this weekend |
| 22:50.56 | starseeker | since I don't know jack about how to test C++ stuff (and not much more about C) it seems a worthwhile exercise |
| 22:51.21 | ``Erik | I'll have to bug him about the next scca event, looks like fun |
| 22:51.22 | starseeker | we're probably gonna be compelled to do something for libnmg someday, just to finally shake all the bugs out if nothing else |
| 22:51.53 | ``Erik | starseeker: I can send ya the docs I wrote for java testing, if'n ya want... |
| 22:52.16 | starseeker | ``Erik: would they map reasonably well to c/c++? |
| 22:52.17 | ``Erik | which is kinda what put me into using libcheck and sending them skeery macro fu |
| 22:52.25 | ``Erik | um, trivial c++, yes |
| 22:52.36 | starseeker | cool, that's a place to start |
| 22:52.54 | ``Erik | 'k, I signed some papers at some point to release it as a doc |
| 22:53.06 | ``Erik | I'll have to, uh, bug someone to see what happened... |
| 22:53.10 | starseeker | hehe |
| 22:53.13 | starseeker | good luck |
| 22:53.18 | ``Erik | it was part of the upstairs project, so I kinda quit caring |
| 22:54.13 | ``Erik | I think at the unit level, it was "do what everyone else says is good for the unit level", the big problem was the notion of paying for a zomfg test environment |
| 22:54.15 | starseeker | kinda seems like one of those "developer skills" that's worth having, sorta like build frameworks... |
| 22:55.01 | starseeker | <snort> as I understand it, these frameworks don't (necessarily) require unit testing but are just tools to define the tests you want to run, yes? |
| 22:55.14 | ``Erik | before this place, my job was production maintenance, so I have an odd view of things |
| 22:55.25 | ``Erik | like, the notion of software "sunset" |
| 22:55.33 | starseeker | hmm? |
| 22:55.48 | starseeker | glances at clock... |
| 22:56.03 | brlcad | but does it glance back? |
| 22:56.04 | ``Erik | the frameworks help you define the tests... |
| 22:56.18 | ``Erik | starseekers clocks GLARE back |
| 22:56.22 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm not quite that far gone yet :-P |
| 22:56.35 | ``Erik | they're watching him |
| 22:56.42 | starseeker | is trying to make himself face the music and go do the mowing... |
| 22:57.01 | ``Erik | :) hoa mows for me |
| 22:57.28 | starseeker | heh - looks like trains are a popular modeling topic for intro classes: http://www.blendernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/blenderscreen2.jpg |
| 22:57.55 | ``Erik | we have a nice complex train car in our set |
| 22:58.06 | ``Erik | boiler car I think |
| 22:58.09 | starseeker | yeah, I like that one :-) |
| 22:58.18 | ``Erik | gsi and all |
| 22:58.28 | starseeker | really doesn't know why he uses m35 so much instead of that one... |
| 22:58.44 | ``Erik | the train car is zomfg brutal to tesselate |
| 22:59.06 | ``Erik | not horrible enough to use a test case, but worse than m3 |
| 22:59.07 | ``Erik | m35 |
| 22:59.53 | starseeker | was gonna say - your m3 would be REALLY bad |
| 23:01.10 | ``Erik | yeah, no doubt |
| 23:01.18 | ``Erik | the tire tool can't even make real tires for it |
| 23:01.38 | ``Erik | be a sweet nurb model |
| 23:02.36 | ``Erik | once nurbs are tightened up, might get indianlarry to talk to his homeys down at the metrology lab, I'd be willing to let 'em dope my car up and shoot lasers at it for a model, if it don't damage nothin' |
| 23:03.44 | ``Erik | wrap a sock around the vulcan probe heh |
| 23:17.40 | ``Erik | hrm, I might have to bring my asshole hat to work for tuesday :/ |
| 23:19.19 | ``Erik | starseeker: I'm not sure what all you've signed me up for, can I let you just tell me what to do to get all this tux and stuff stuff sorted? |
| 23:20.10 | ``Erik | also; wtf, this commercial is so fucking retarded... speeding is the leading cause of death on the roads? uh, no? tailgating is WAY more dangerous, fuckers |
| 23:42.26 | starseeker | ``Erik: sure |
| 23:42.34 | starseeker | was planning to, once I know myself |
| 23:42.55 | starseeker | uh... why are you planning wear that hat tuesday? |
