| 00:47.47 | ``Erik | heh http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1938370 (if games had a super-easy mode) |
| 01:46.01 | starseeker | begins the install of Gentoo on the alienware beast... |
| 01:54.57 | ``Erik | <-- listens for the explosion and cursing :D |
| 02:04.30 | starseeker | yeah, the CPU throttled itself because it got too hot, and that was just on expanding a tarball |
| 02:04.47 | starseeker | can't wait to see what it does with the actual build |
| 02:13.00 | ``Erik | soooo, it's only fast when it's not being used? hrm |
| 02:19.31 | starseeker | heh |
| 02:19.52 | starseeker | just need a metal desk to conduct heat away |
| 02:20.19 | louipc | must have been quite the tarball |
| 02:20.23 | starseeker | (apparently the thinkpad shipped, so hopefully a successful linux install there will be less finicky" |
| 02:20.36 | starseeker | heh - stage3 gentoo tarball |
| 02:20.48 | starseeker | not so big - 135 megs iirc - but a lot of files |
| 02:20.54 | ``Erik | (so wait... the notion of carrying a regular keyboard is too much, but hauling a metal desk is acceptable?) |
| 02:21.15 | starseeker | nah, that just becomes the selection criteria for the hotel |
| 02:21.27 | louipc | maybe the desk has hover pads |
| 02:21.52 | ``Erik | doesn't recall seeing "large radiant surfaces" as a selling point in any brochure O.o |
| 02:22.08 | ``Erik | :D |
| 02:23.15 | ``Erik | can just see starseeker bringing a few ziplock bags and running to the hotel ice machine every 15 minutes |
| 02:24.08 | louipc | Hehe there should be machines with self-contained AC |
| 02:24.34 | ``Erik | hm, the old crays did that with the nitrogen coolers... :D |
| 02:24.47 | louipc | sweet |
| 02:24.58 | ``Erik | they were a hair bigger than permitted as carry-ons, though |
| 02:30.13 | starseeker | briefly ponders trying to figure out what is installed in this thing to do a manual kernel config, then wusses out and starts genkernel |
| 02:30.40 | starseeker | I'll try it on the thinkpad, but this has too little documentation |
| 02:31.38 | louipc | yeah you'll get some good info from auto detection |
| 02:33.02 | ``Erik | dmesg should have a pretty good idea, but is it actually worth doing on any non-speciallized hw? when I got up to 48 megs of ram, the space saving just didn't seem worth it anymore O.o |
| 02:33.40 | starseeker | ``Erik: probably not - I don it mainly so I know what's going on with my hardware, and whether I need to check out special driver settings and whatnot |
| 02:34.07 | starseeker | habit mostly - the autodetect stuff has gotten MUCH better since I started |
| 02:34.32 | starseeker | nowadays the only area you still need to pay attention is graphics cards |
| 02:35.03 | ``Erik | I thought wifi was still a bit of a sore spot |
| 02:35.16 | starseeker | (with the thinkpad ATI card, I'm gonna have to try the cutting edge radeonhd stuff) |
| 02:35.23 | starseeker | ``Erik: ah, could be |
| 02:35.24 | ``Erik | and acpi or whatever power mgmt is not |
| 02:35.29 | ``Erik | now |
| 02:35.58 | starseeker | <snort> I thought power management/sleep/wakeup was an issue on EVERY operating system (cept OSX maybe) |
| 02:36.13 | ``Erik | <-- pets his macbook :) |
| 02:37.25 | starseeker | auuugh, wish these weren't still out of stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820249003 |
| 02:37.40 | starseeker | that's a no-brainer drive choice for me, if they can get 'em in |
| 02:38.20 | ``Erik | this is the one I mentioned earlier btw: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olstemplatemapper.jsp?id=1218150605281&type=product |
| 02:39.17 | starseeker | nods - not bad |
| 02:40.47 | starseeker | gotta wonder about construction/component quality though |
| 02:43.42 | starseeker | LOL: http://cgi.ebay.com/SSD-Plextor-2-5-64GB-SATA-II-Internal-Solid-State-Disk-/230495549504?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PCC_Drives_Storage_Internal&hash=item35aa9af840 |
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| 02:43.55 | starseeker | whadya bet he got 'em a newegg? |
| 02:44.04 | starseeker | s/a/at |
| 02:45.19 | ``Erik | heh, straight from the stockroom to the dumpster to his car? O.o |
| 03:12.43 | brlcad | starseeker: you know, with a little reduction and generalization, your write-up would make for a great website posting |
| 03:12.52 | brlcad | and for the news list |
| 03:13.11 | starseeker | nods - not a bad idea |
| 03:13.22 | starseeker | are you volunteering, or volunteering me? :-P |
| 03:13.31 | brlcad | asking if you're interested in doing it :) |
| 03:13.37 | starseeker | ah, sure! |
| 03:13.51 | starseeker | (would need to be tomorrow, I don't have a copy here) |
| 03:17.17 | brlcad | probably just needs to remove the personal bits, the qri perspective, etc |
| 03:17.40 | brlcad | or generalize them to the project and the progress made |
| 03:17.48 | starseeker | cool (plus, higher resolution image for the website) |
| 03:18.22 | starseeker | come to think of it, I'd better send QRI the highres image too |
| 03:19.00 | brlcad | forwards |
| 03:19.57 | starseeker | heh - OK, OK, you got me :-P |
| 03:23.59 | starseeker | brlcad: should I take out the bit about CSG being the "standard" technique? |
| 03:24.40 | starseeker | hmm... |
| 03:42.57 | starseeker | brlcad: pong |
| 03:44.06 | starseeker | probably needs a little non-midnight-oil polishing, but how's that look for a direction? |
| 03:45.05 | starseeker | contemplates a project takeover on the old libnurbs sourceforge project - main dev's email bounced, no response so far from what looked like a possible modern one, no commits in many years... |
| 03:45.16 | starseeker | guess I need to try the other devs |
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| 03:51.04 | starseeker | <snort> email bounce #2... |
| 03:51.17 | starseeker | hey Ralith |
| 03:53.18 | Ralith | hullo |
| 04:06.48 | starseeker | aaand the third, while not bouncing, doesn't appear very active on any projects at all |
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| 06:21.46 | starseeker | gets past the basic system and starts building Xorg and friends... |
| 06:21.58 | starseeker | huh - radeon card |
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| 14:23.05 | starseeker | woooot - got X up and running |
| 14:23.56 | starseeker | starts a lot of basic stuff building... |
| 14:45.26 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, I wouldn't say it's the standard technique |
| 14:46.01 | brlcad | even for brl-cad, it's certainly the preferred approach and the only one we really directly support editing of, but it's just one of many standard approaches |
| 14:47.01 | brlcad | while I'd still argue the effective merit, some even consider CSG obsolete (but that's mostly because feature-based editing hides the CSG activity under the hood unbeknown to them) |
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| 17:08.53 | ``Erik | <-- thought visual guys like straight-up triangle manipulation (lw, 3ds, etc), and cad guys favored nurbs? O.o povray sticking with csg due to historic and script driven reasons? |
| 17:19.31 | brlcad | starseeker: mind if I word-smithe a little? |
| 17:20.37 | brlcad | I wouldn't say that the visual guys don't "favor" triangle manipulation, it's just by far the simplest and easiest to deal with |
| 17:21.43 | brlcad | everyone likes their stuff to be smooth and pretty, but if I can't see it without pulling out my differential equations book, it's not much use to a lot of people as the time-investment payoff is not there |
| 17:22.47 | brlcad | commercial cad guys got practically unlimited money, so they do what works best (i.e. everything) and use the most flexible representation (i.e., nurbs + feature operations) |
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| 17:38.15 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 17:39.43 | brlcad | howdy paul |
| 17:39.48 | csanyipal | :) |
| 17:40.21 | csanyipal | I'm searching the URL where one can upload it's model.. |
| 17:40.32 | brlcad | more.brlcad.org |
| 17:40.39 | csanyipal | thanks! |
| 17:41.27 | csanyipal | why isn't there on brlcad.org this link? |
| 17:55.47 | csanyipal | how can one get an image pf the raytraced model? |
| 17:55.53 | csanyipal | of |
| 17:56.15 | brlcad | it will auto-generate the images |
| 17:56.27 | csanyipal | ok |
| 17:56.34 | brlcad | there isn't a link because it's still experimental |
| 17:56.42 | csanyipal | ok |
| 17:56.56 | csanyipal | I have a video of this model. |
| 17:57.15 | csanyipal | but videos can't upload there. :( |
| 17:58.15 | brlcad | you could create a wiki page for the model |
| 17:58.25 | brlcad | or can add it to the model tracker |
| 17:59.14 | csanyipal | I wont't do that right now because I beleave my model isn't perfect. |
| 17:59.47 | brlcad | they never are "perfect" :) |
| 17:59.53 | csanyipal | :) |
| 17:59.59 | csanyipal | ok |
| 18:00.23 | brlcad | you can always upload what you have now, then upload an improved version later |
| 18:00.52 | csanyipal | just to write down a description for my model and I shall upload it to http://more.brlcad.org. |
| 18:00.57 | csanyipal | ok |
| 18:01.16 | csanyipal | then you can see it. |
| 18:01.39 | brlcad | here is the geometry tracker: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292&atid=641557 |
| 18:02.15 | csanyipal | thanks! I shall upload it there too. |
| 18:06.15 | CIA-93 | BRL-CAD: 03Paul 07http://more.brlcad.org * r28 10Model repository/: Photo holder (insert model: ) |
| 18:10.35 | brlcad | woot |
| 18:11.15 | csanyipal | sorry, what is woot? |
| 18:12.56 | brlcad | woot is like "woo hoo" |
| 18:13.04 | brlcad | yay |
| 18:13.15 | brlcad | huzzah |
| 18:14.00 | csanyipal | dict huzzah give to me the answer. :D |
| 18:14.10 | csanyipal | thanks! |
| 18:19.15 | csanyipal | added to geometry tracker too. |
| 18:22.01 | brlcad | neat! |
| 18:26.10 | csanyipal | :) |
| 18:51.56 | csanyipal | so, on the wiki one can't upload .ogg files... :( |
| 18:52.41 | brlcad | you can upload it to ftp.brlcad.org/incoming and I can upload it there for you |
| 18:52.53 | brlcad | or put it some place where you can refer to it by URL |
| 18:53.39 | csanyipal | I will try ftp.brlcad.org/incoming |
| 18:55.34 | csanyipal | PhotoHolder.ogg is there now. :) |
| 19:22.25 | csanyipal | I must go now. Bye. |
| 20:00.22 | CIA-93 | BRL-CAD: 03 07http://more.brlcad.org * r28 10Model repository/: Photo holder (update model: BRLCAD processing completed.) |
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| 21:32.22 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1938441 nuclear explosions through time map O.o |
| 22:44.37 | starseeker | brlcad: re: wordsmithing, knock yourself out |
| 22:45.53 | starseeker | (sorry, didn't get back online with irc 'til just now) |
| 23:11.27 | starseeker | chuckles evilly - perhaps someday we too will do everything :-) |
| 23:31.07 | starseeker | yow -O3 slowes things down something fierce |
| 23:32.16 | ``Erik | the compile, not the executable, I presume |
| 23:32.57 | starseeker | yeah |
| 23:33.13 | starseeker | 93 packages took from about 11 this morning to about an hour ago |
| 23:33.37 | starseeker | 173 more to go, including openoffice, and then (perhaps) KDE and tetex to follow |
| 23:34.27 | starseeker | I'm not gonna complain though - I was real worried I might not get Xorg or the touchpad/buttons working |
| 23:34.34 | starseeker | went very smoothly |
| 23:37.23 | starseeker | evidently this vintage of alienware is a bit unusual for a Linux install, since most of the folks buying 'em wanted it for high-end Windows games |
| 23:37.51 | starseeker | I must confess I don't have accelerated 3D as far as I know, so there is still that |
| 23:38.14 | ``Erik | heh, most folk buying any non-os-specialized laptop wants it for winderz, no? :) |
| 23:38.17 | ``Erik | mmmm, tadpole |
| 23:38.45 | starseeker | true, but usually there are a percentage of folk who immediately try putting Linux on it |
| 23:39.16 | starseeker | in this case, Linux doesn't run CURRENT_HOT_GAME that needs the latest super-hardware |
| 23:39.41 | ``Erik | probably less 'hot game' than 'more expensive than your average college kid can get' |
| 23:39.54 | starseeker | yeah, that too |
| 23:40.51 | starseeker | 'course, things are better today - lotsa sites about M17 + Linux :-) |
| 23:55.02 | ``Erik | I think my evil cats have scared my fish into perpetual hiding behind the filter pickup tube :/ |