IRC log for #brlcad on 20101209

01:05.43CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2360 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: editorial review resulting in a mild restructuring, removal of itemized credit, and a little punctuation liberty to reduce some redundancies
01:09.12brlcadstarseeker: see how that reads to you
01:10.15brlcadmostly took your words and just regrouped for clarity, commonality, and emphasis
01:12.00brlcadcan't seem to decide whether the mged command names should be wrapped in single quotes or whether italicized is enough
01:12.51CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2361 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: try single quotes around command names so it's more readily copy-pasteable to plain-text without editing
01:14.07CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2362 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: 7.18.0 release notes ready for publication
01:31.15CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2363 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: add a slew of ideas to the hopper. adrt, nurbs, archer, rt lighting model, point clouds, v4, goliath, and Lu??s Ferreira's student projects
01:31.57CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2364 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: add her references
01:33.57CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2365 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: NURBS article is already in initial draft form
01:37.08CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2366 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: chumaciera model
01:38.37CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2367 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: expand on archer article
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02:15.28CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r41570 10/brlcad/trunk/TODO: some ideas sparked by john's patch to only handle regions and richard's recent addition of a file semaphore.
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04:09.28yukonbob_hello, #brlcad
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10:39.21starseekerbrlcad: looks good (much better :-) to me
10:40.00starseekerwill send when he gets in - on my way out now
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12:17.50d-lo*snicker* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUDaITFDxEs&feature=related
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14:01.44*** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.16.10 is posted! (20100805)
14:12.27CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2371 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: /* Idea Hopper */ slew of additional ideas for the hopper including gsoc projects, 2010 stats, new gui, rtgl, bib, schedule, vision, and more
14:12.43brlcadthat should be more than enough to keep us busy for the next year!
14:13.06brlcadin fact, that'd be two years worth of articles if all were written today and we did nothing new...
14:13.47starseekercool
14:14.07starseekerbrlcad-news email will be going out in a couple minutes
14:14.15starseekerdo I need to send anything to the dev list?
14:14.24brlcaddev list?
14:14.57starseekerI posted that the trunk was entering release prep mode - do I need to say it's open for business again?
14:15.06brlcadoh
14:15.32brlcadyou can if you like, but the news posting kind of says that too (along with the version bump commit)
14:15.56starseekerok
14:18.41CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r2372 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: publication date of dec22 for nurbs
14:20.44starseekercrosses fingers...
14:21.59starseekeroh, whoops... am I subscribed to news with that email?
14:23.30starseekerok, good
14:23.34starseekerwaits...
14:27.20starseekerhmm...
14:27.26starseekerpokes sourceforge
14:34.25starseekerbrlcad: you want to use the same release notice for the brlcad.org front page?
14:34.44brlcadyeah, and the sf news
14:35.37brlcadyou can use basic html formatting on the front page, but then back to plain text for sf news
14:36.03starseekeralrightie
14:36.16starseekerfront page article coming up next
14:36.25brlcad<b>tags</b> on your itemized list sections and <i>commands</i> on the commands
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14:36.57brlcad<ul><li>list1</li><li>list2</li> for the itemized list will make it come out like the wiki
14:36.58starseekeroh... I just snarfed the html direct from the CPP page
14:37.17brlcadthat might work, check the preview though
14:37.33brlcadit's a subset of html that it recognizes
14:37.50starseekerpreview looks OK here... is submitting an article a perminant thing or can it be tweaked after the fact?
14:37.54brlcads/recognizes/allows/
14:38.04brlcadyes
14:38.12brlcad:)
14:38.30brlcadthe sf news one cannot
14:38.31starseekerheh
14:38.37starseekerk
14:40.14starseekerpokes CIA-55
14:44.30starseekergrumps that the sf news thing doesn't have a preview option...
14:44.53starseekernice that the text window is resizable though - helps eliminate line breaks
14:46.40starseekerok, sf news item is up
14:59.12starseekerah, crap - I got the tag wrong on the freshmeat thing
15:53.59brlcadthe tag's fine
15:54.48starseekeris there typically a lag with the brlcad-news posts?
15:55.41brlcadall postings to brlcad-news get held in a queue for moderation, but I get an immediate notice
15:55.49brlcadnothing received
15:55.54starseekergrr
15:56.02brlcadlet me check the queue
15:56.28starseekersent from gmail - Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:20 AM
15:58.06brlcadodd, it's in the queue, but I've just not yet received the notification
15:58.17starseekerah,  phew :-)
15:58.29brlcadit's on its way
15:58.35starseekerthanks :-)
16:01.50brlcadspanks himself
16:01.56brlcaddefinitely should have announced the 7.16.10 features .. that's a long announcement :)
16:02.53brlcadalthough it's still on the mark, less than 500 words (sans the list)
16:03.06starseeker:-)
16:04.06brlcadall in all, though, a fine piece of work
16:04.23brlcadeasily justifies the .0 status
16:04.43starseekeragrees - lots of good stuff there
16:04.55starseekerand at least this time we fixed the regressions BEFORE the release :-P
16:05.51starseekerbrlcad: I'd like to track down any problematic systems remaining for the opengl stuff and get those fixed
16:06.05starseekerwe really need to start having opengl turned on by default
16:06.06brlcadrt outputting png is probably the most appreciated day-to-day feature in that release
16:07.04brlcadyou can start just by building with opengl enabled on every system you can find, but there are also a couple bug reports iirc
16:07.26starseekerok, sounds good
16:07.48brlcadthe problems iirc are basically just assumptions our code makes
16:08.24starseekerhas a feeling that sometime relatively soon we're going to have to start requiring opengl, at least for GUI stuff...
16:08.25brlcadif you assume direct context, then the indirect context platforms will bork; if you assume indirect, then platforms insisting on direct will bork or performance will really suck
16:09.30brlcadrestarting that dm-tk and fb-tk effort with opengl?
16:09.46starseekerin essence - that's really what the togl stuff is
16:09.55starseekerplus all of Bob's goodies in Archer
16:09.58brlcadthe problems we have are "mostly" glx related
16:11.16brlcadhttps://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/forums/forum/362510/topic/4007604
16:11.21starseekerI know you guys fixed some of the issues a little while back - certainly on the Mac
16:12.18starseekeroh no...
16:12.42brlcadhits the road
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16:42.18yukonbob_hello, #brlcad
17:47.47CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Harris227940 07http://brlcad.org * r2373 10/wiki/User:608_buy_levitra:
18:08.04CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r2374 10/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal: Release notice published - removing from CPP
18:12.42starseekerah, right - CIA-55 only reports wiki edits
18:15.31brlcadonly?
18:15.52starseekerit didn't pop up anything when I posted the announcement
18:15.58starseekeror when I fixed the release number
18:16.20brlcadah
18:16.26brlcadthose are in drupal
18:17.21CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:608 buy levitra]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
18:18.16CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Harris227940]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
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19:29.50yukonbobhello #brlcad
19:30.00starseekerwelcome :-)
19:30.19yukonbobhey starseeker. long time no chat.
19:30.39starseekerI've been here - where've you been? :-P
19:32.06yukonbobI've been everywhere, man.
19:32.07yukonbobCrossed the desert's bare, man.
19:32.07yukonbobI've breathed the mountain air, man.
19:32.07yukonbobOf travel I've had my share, man.
19:32.09yukonbobI've been everywhere.
19:32.53starseekerso you've been doing Lisp programming? <ducks>
19:33.41yukonbobheh...
19:33.49yukonbobmostly sysadmining...
19:34.17yukonbobwas doing some C/Tcl lastnight though (first time in few weeks) which was quite pleasant...
19:34.38starseekernods - sysadmin tasks can be a real pain
19:35.21yukonbobstarseeker: doesn't help that my role/job (non-)description is full of creature feep.
19:35.41yukonbobmeh -- whatever... roll w/ the punches.
19:35.50yukonbobhow're things?
19:38.30starseekerdoing the 7.18.0 release (although BRL-CAD is having to be dragged kicking and screaming to release ready status)
19:38.54yukonbobstarseeker: stubborn bugs?
19:39.31starseekersomewhat, but it's more like every time we turn a corner a NEW bug crops up
19:39.39starseekerthe Windows installer is misbehaving now
19:40.39yukonbobstarseeker: how big a part of the ecosystem is Windows?
19:42.20starseekerunfortunately, it's quite significant
19:42.34starseekeryou can check the sf.net download stats
19:44.22brlcadstarseeker: that's why it's important that all devs run distcheck and the regression tests regularly
19:45.07starseekertrue, but those wouldn't have caught the windows issue
19:45.21brlcadit's not something that is hit up once and forgotten about, takes ongoing attention to get a clean release
19:45.35brlcadthat's part of the point of aiming for monthly releases and trying to stick to them
19:46.35brlcadwindows binary notwithstanding, the 7.18.0 release hasn't been that bad
19:46.58brlcadjust the cruft from 3 months of not releasing and nobody checking in the meantime
19:47.05brlcadshouldn't always be just me :)
19:47.16yukonbobwaves to brlcad
19:47.21brlcadhello yukonbob
19:47.31brlcadyukonbob: care to write an article? :)
19:47.38yukonbobabout?
19:47.41yukonbobexodus?
19:47.52brlcadsomething brl-cad related
19:48.22brlcadcan be short, just 250-500 words
19:48.24brlcad:)
19:48.24CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Francis813751 07http://brlcad.org * r2375 10/wiki/User:931_buy_viagra:
19:48.39yukonbobbrlcad: suggestion?
19:49.49brlcadyukonbob: didn't you have an mged scripting tutorial?
19:49.53CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:931 buy viagra]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
19:49.55brlcadyou could write about that
19:50.04CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r0 10/wiki/Special:Log/block: blocked [[User:Francis813751]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled, e-mail blocked): Spamming links to external sites
19:50.08yukonbob*does* like mged ;)
19:50.17yukonboband Tcl
19:50.23yukonboband csg...
19:50.36brlcadthere's three topics right there
19:50.53yukonbobspeaking of Tcl -- what's the current state of Tcl in brl-cad... is @ 8.5.x?
19:51.05yukonbobnotes Tcl is what brought me to brlcad
19:51.08starseeker8.5.8
19:51.09yukonbob*brl-cad
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19:51.17yukonboband brlcad ;)
19:51.30brlcadheh
19:51.54yukonbobbrlcad: is for brlcad.org?
19:58.51yukonbob.
19:59.04yukonbobtests network, as is flaky at this end lately.
19:59.19brlcadyep, website and mailing list
19:59.33brlcadhttp://brlcad.org/wiki/Community_Publication_Portal
20:00.57yukonbobbrlcad: Tcl is suitable (i.e.: is still relevant into foreseeable future?)
20:01.07brlcadwhy wouldn't it be?
20:01.26yukonboboh I don't know -- rip it out and replace it w/ something trendy like lua?
20:01.28yukonbob;)
20:02.22yukonbobi can look for my "hub" program and other creation/querying...
20:02.32yukonbob*creation/querying tools;.
20:02.36brlcadif we were to do anything like that, it'd be a move towards something like gimp's script-fu where you could use a variety of languages including tcl, lua, python, bash, etc
20:03.03yukonbobdidn't know script-fu was anything other than python, tbh.
20:03.09brlcadplugin scripting interface was envisioned for the next generation GUI
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20:04.01brlcadscript-fu is scheme
20:04.09yukonbobdoesn't scripting/gui nearly always boil down to tcl/tk?
20:04.11brlcadwith additional plugins for perl and python
20:04.17yukonbobperl: embed tcl/tk
20:04.22yukonbobpython: embed tcl/tk
20:04.59yukonbobunless you're using various bindings for either gtk or qt.
20:06.51brlcadwe have little to gain by intentionally excluding or removing scripting capability
20:07.23brlcadmaking the scripting layer modular would be a "good thing" though
20:07.48brlcadlibged gets us really close
20:11.39yukonbobwishes he had a running brl-cad installation...
20:11.53yukonbobI blame the move to 8.5b
20:14.14starseekerOK, old 7.18.0 exe installs are moved to OldFiles - we'll put new ones up when we have something that works
20:20.42brlcadshould update the readme in that folder explaining the issue and new release pointer -- have to update the freshmeat link too
20:32.11starseekerk - I'll do the readme now, but for the moment there's nothing to point to from freshmeat
20:36.30CIA-55BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * r41571 10/brlcad/trunk/misc/win32-msvc8/tclsh/library/installTree.tcl: Check for the existence of microsoft redist files along "Program Files" path. If that fails use "Program Files (x86)".
20:54.32yukonbobis .18.0 tagged?
20:54.45``Erikyes
20:54.55yukonbobnice
20:54.57yukonbobwaves to ``Erik
21:12.53*** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || #brlcad logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || BRL-CAD release 7.18.0 is posted (20101209)
21:17.15``Erikhas uploaded a 32b winderz 7.18.0, could use a tester O.o
22:27.52``Erikhm, a friend of a friend is looking for an iphone programmer

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