| 00:03.39 | jordisayol | brlcad: can you please give me some info about rpm failure reports? |
| 00:38.26 | jordisayol | I have to go |
| 00:38.42 | jordisayol | brlcad: bye bye |
| 00:38.49 | brlcad | ok |
| 00:38.52 | brlcad | sorry, got distracted |
| 00:38.56 | brlcad | the reports were here |
| 00:39.05 | brlcad | 12:16 < xFirex_> Hello Everyone, I have a problem with BRLCad brlcad-7.20.4-0.fedora.i386.rpm in Fedora 16 |
| 00:39.08 | brlcad | 12:16 < xFirex_> Getting this error when trying to start it "/usr/brlcad/bin/mged: error while loading shared libraries: libtclcad.so.19: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory " |
| 00:39.31 | brlcad | then another individual a little while later12:35 < Konopen> Hello Everyone, I have problem running brlcad 7.20.4-0 in fedora 16 |
| 00:42.23 | jordisayol | brlcad: do you know if they re-login after install? |
| 00:42.32 | brlcad | onope |
| 00:42.40 | brlcad | ill ask if they come back |
| 00:42.54 | jordisayol | brlcad: paths need re-login to be loaded |
| 00:43.00 | brlcad | do you modify ldconfig or something? |
| 00:43.41 | jordisayol | nop, i just modify the path and manpath env variables |
| 00:44.08 | brlcad | hm, interesting |
| 00:44.52 | brlcad | okay, well if someone else reports same error we'll see if that does the trick :) |
| 00:45.00 | brlcad | good to know, thanks |
| 00:45.18 | brlcad | would be good note for the release notes if it wasn't included |
| 00:45.19 | jordisayol | wait a moment.... |
| 00:49.37 | jordisayol | brlcad: the script executed during the installation is: brlcad/misc/debian/brlcad.postinst and when removed brlcad/misc/debian/brlcad.postrm , that's all |
| 00:49.46 | brlcad | k |
| 00:51.03 | brlcad | under traditional gnu ld behavior, that shouldn't affect a runtime error loading shared libraries |
| 00:51.24 | brlcad | but I know there have apparently been some major changes to the behavior of ld recently on linux |
| 00:52.44 | jordisayol | tomorrow I'll create a virtual machine with fedora 16 . is important the bit, 32 or 64? |
| 00:52.56 | brlcad | no idea, they weren't specific |
| 00:53.28 | jordisayol | well, I don't think so |
| 00:54.17 | jordisayol | ok, tomorrow i'll tell you something about |
| 00:55.12 | jordisayol | brlcad: goog night for me :-) near 2 o'clock here |
| 00:55.19 | brlcad | cya :) |
| 00:55.24 | jordisayol | bye |
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| 13:15.22 | jordisayol | brlcad: ping |
| 15:18.14 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 15:19.16 | ``Erik | jordisayol: personal, or something that someone else can help with? |
| 15:19.46 | jordisayol | ``Erik: hello! |
| 15:20.31 | ``Erik | this laptop isn't letting me scroll up right, you're doing something with a debain leenewx variant? |
| 15:20.43 | ``Erik | debian, even :) |
| 15:21.16 | ``Erik | and something about fedora, even... but still linux |
| 15:21.19 | jordisayol | No, is just that yesterday brlcad toll me that some fedora 16 users experienced problems with our rmp packages |
| 15:21.48 | ``Erik | I vagually recall something about some sigill stuff, is that it |
| 15:22.27 | jordisayol | well, he says something about the shared libraries |
| 15:22.41 | jordisayol | missing for mged command |
| 15:23.19 | ``Erik | hm, you'll have to help me help you... the typical issue is requiring dev libs (.so) instead of user libs (.so.0.0) |
| 15:23.26 | ``Erik | in the link stage |
| 15:23.40 | ``Erik | (linux uses .so, right?) |
| 15:24.17 | jordisayol | yes, but this problem do not happen on fedora 15 and previous releases |
| 15:24.25 | ``Erik | if you do, um, the command to show link deps on the mged binary, that'll tell you a lot |
| 15:25.07 | jordisayol | the case is that today I've installed fedora 16 (64-bit) on a virtualbox, and in this clean linux, the mged properly works without problems |
| 15:25.48 | ``Erik | and 64b is the issue they complain about? or 32b? |
| 15:25.55 | brlcad | ``Erik: you read up on the penny arcade lashing? hilarious |
| 15:26.00 | brlcad | jordisayol: pong :0 |
| 15:26.03 | jordisayol | brlcad don't know |
| 15:26.08 | ``Erik | brlcad: ocean marketing? yeah... |
| 15:26.13 | jordisayol | hello brlcad |
| 15:26.14 | brlcad | hehe |
| 15:26.22 | ``Erik | talk about putting a foot in ones mouth |
| 15:26.33 | ``Erik | "bah, I can get into pax, who is this gabe guy? |
| 15:26.50 | jordisayol | hmmm, I already take lunch today.... |
| 15:27.22 | ``Erik | brlcad: bz->crit ? |
| 15:27.42 | brlcad | good idea actually |
| 15:28.07 | brlcad | been catching up on mails and commits, but this would be a good time |
| 15:28.22 | ``Erik | over a year coming |
| 15:28.52 | ``Erik | I put up an ssl httpd on crit, that might... complicate things. |
| 15:28.59 | jordisayol | brlcad: I've installed rpm for fedora on a fresh installed fedora 16 in virtualbox, and there is not any problem, even without re-login, just typing the full path /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
| 15:29.29 | brlcad | jordisayol: okay, that's all that can be done for now then |
| 15:29.44 | jordisayol | brlcad: yes |
| 15:29.49 | ``Erik | jordisayol: can you pastebin ldd path/to/mged to see if there's an dev vs user lib issue? |
| 15:29.51 | brlcad | if it can't be reproduced and the person isn't here, we'll just have to wait for a follow-up report if any |
| 15:30.15 | ``Erik | (it's ldd, right? so used to otool -L) |
| 15:30.19 | jordisayol | ok, just a moment |
| 15:30.49 | jordisayol | yes, it is |
| 15:32.27 | brlcad | what I suspect is happening is there's some incompatible library already installed on their fedora system |
| 15:32.45 | brlcad | that or it was a partial/failed rpm download |
| 15:33.10 | brlcad | from the report, libtclcad.so.19 fails to load |
| 15:33.23 | ``Erik | if this is the sigill, it's a damaged binary, damaged cpu, or cpu spec'd for a different arch (686 vs 586 using 686 only opcodes) |
| 15:33.29 | brlcad | that may simply be the first library attempting to be loaded |
| 15:33.33 | ``Erik | illegal instruction and all |
| 15:34.11 | brlcad | it wasn't getting that farb |
| 15:34.17 | brlcad | far even |
| 15:34.22 | brlcad | 12:16 < xFirex_> Getting this error when trying to start it "/usr/brlcad/bin/mged: error while loading shared libraries: libtclcad.so.19: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory " |
| 15:34.54 | ``Erik | ah, my bad, thought I saw a sigill convo and this was pertinant... this laptop won't let me page up to read backlog :) |
| 15:36.33 | ``Erik | brlcad: I took the day off, I want crit to get to 'stable' asap, I don't want to be responsible for other biz's and such, but will aid how I can... lets DO THI! YEAH! </joeswansonfromfamilyguy> |
| 15:38.38 | jordisayol | brlcad: here you have it: http://paste.debian.net/150390/ |
| 15:40.28 | jordisayol | brlcad: partial/failed is very unprovable because as rpm are compresses gz files, they cannot uncompress. |
| 15:41.22 | brlcad | yeah, so libtclcad is the first lib listed there |
| 15:41.54 | ``Erik | my guess would be that the issue is because someone installed to somewhere other than /usrbrlcad |
| 15:42.05 | brlcad | that could be |
| 15:42.31 | brlcad | whew, that mystery is solved |
| 15:43.11 | jordisayol | well, i can test this, by installing one by one on the system and testing mged. but this requires some time |
| 15:43.26 | ``Erik | can it be scripted? |
| 15:43.29 | brlcad | jordisayol: if you like, but I wouldn't worry about it |
| 15:43.43 | ``Erik | machine time is cheap, human time is expensive :) |
| 15:44.00 | brlcad | it's all speculation without that user -- more time effective to just wait for someone else to report an issue since it can't be easily reproduced |
| 15:44.07 | jordisayol | brlcad: can you make a "short" list of the probably libraries from the list? |
| 15:44.29 | brlcad | it seemed like more than that given two people reported a failure within a couple hours for fed16 but could have just been coincidence |
| 15:44.47 | brlcad | still all speculation though |
| 15:44.55 | jordisayol | or just the same user loget with different nicks |
| 15:45.17 | jordisayol | loed* |
| 15:45.35 | jordisayol | arggg! "logged" |
| 15:45.59 | ``Erik | smells like someone thought they were smarter than they were and screwed up being "clever" |
| 15:46.12 | brlcad | jordisayol: looks like they were the same person, same ip |
| 15:46.21 | jordisayol | hehe |
| 15:46.23 | brlcad | so yeah, don't worrya bout it ;) |
| 15:48.56 | jordisayol | well, if this "schizophrenic" user re-login, then we can continue the research |
| 15:49.18 | ``Erik | brlcad: bz lacks modssl and modproxy, which is why i'm reliant on crit. I'm using app servers behind modproxy, thus my interest in migration :) think we can knock it out before the newyear? |
| 15:49.56 | brlcad | possibly |
| 15:50.05 | brlcad | quite likely even |
| 15:51.03 | ``Erik | jordisayol: yeah, I'd call it pebcak, awesome that you're so aggressive in making it right :) |
| 15:52.43 | jordisayol | well, I don't know what "pebcak" is, but thank you :-) |
| 15:53.52 | ``Erik | "problem exists between computer and keyboard" |
| 15:54.46 | jordisayol | wow! i'll keep this sentence, hehe |
| 15:55.26 | brlcad | ~pebcak |
| 15:55.26 | ibot | methinks pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 15:55.28 | ``Erik | <-- marks jordisayol down as a hero of open source software maintenance O.o :) |
| 15:55.35 | ``Erik | er, chair and keyboard, my bad |
| 15:55.55 | jordisayol | I think ``Erik is right :-/ |
| 15:55.58 | brlcad | usb isn't likely the problem ;) |
| 15:56.08 | ``Erik | din5, beeyotch |
| 15:56.18 | ``Erik | sometimes ps2 |
| 15:57.58 | ``Erik | brlcad: ponder... ssh tunnel for 3306 to new machine, migrate mysqldb, test on various hosted sites, then start moving sites? |
| 15:58.21 | ``Erik | (or is there an acceptable downtime window?) |
| 15:59.15 | brlcad | downtime is acceptable if it's less than a few hours |
| 15:59.21 | brlcad | tunnel would work too |
| 16:00.46 | ``Erik | I don't know the write rates of the variou sites, so I can't plot optimal migration |
| 16:01.29 | ``Erik | but I do want you to stop paying for that old clunker ;) |
| 16:02.22 | brlcad | this biggest one should be no longer active (bzflag's list service) |
| 16:03.41 | ``Erik | personally, I'd bias impact based on $$'s... a free service can take several hours downtime... a day or two, even |
| 16:03.43 | brlcad | I'll get working on moving our site today, that should at least get things going again |
| 16:04.00 | ``Erik | it's those $'s that scare me |
| 16:04.01 | brlcad | when was the last fs sync? |
| 16:04.10 | ``Erik | iuhho |
| 16:04.25 | ``Erik | I don't know if this machine has ever been synced |
| 16:05.16 | ``Erik | ya starting one up? |
| 16:05.19 | brlcad | .bz is technically a free service to those $$ users, so that's why a few hours is still acceptable .. just within reason shouldn't be more than a couple hours tops and that's with things going horribly wrong |
| 16:05.47 | brlcad | i'll check on it, don't want to migrate everything but user data is a good one to start with |
| 16:06.04 | ``Erik | I'm an rsync newb, so if you know it, I'll step back |
| 16:06.15 | ``Erik | otherwise, I'll pull up tutorial sites and start, let me know |
| 16:06.51 | ``Erik | I had some c&p scripts on the old crit, but no understanding |
| 16:09.16 | ``Erik | http://www.solitechgmbh.com/2010/03/06/using-rsync-for-quick-server-migartion/ seems useful |
| 16:09.20 | brlcad | you can sync the passwd/group files |
| 16:12.55 | ``Erik | done |
| 16:13.05 | brlcad | gettings an fs manifest, I'll sync user data |
| 16:13.37 | brlcad | is the sslified apache from ports or custom install? |
| 16:14.57 | ``Erik | ports |
| 16:15.07 | brlcad | great |
| 16:15.12 | ``Erik | lacks a primary, is all for vhost |
| 16:15.43 | ``Erik | well, it has a self-signed for primary, rather |
| 16:16.10 | ``Erik | "namecheap" was offering a free year of ssl for one name, so I grabbed one for elfga.com |
| 16:16.26 | brlcad | that's fine, nothing else using ssl obviously :) |
| 16:16.40 | ``Erik | they're also offering discounts and donations to eff for people who move from godaddy after the sopa mess |
| 16:16.55 | ``Erik | $10/yr for a basic cert |
| 16:17.01 | ``Erik | or so |
| 16:17.41 | brlcad | another task you could take up, setting up intrusion detection/monitoring and stats |
| 16:18.18 | ``Erik | I'm not sure what all you have set up, I've been manually setting the ipfw rules |
| 16:18.26 | brlcad | my manual scripts are rather old school now .. I'd imagine there has to be some better tools in ports that could be set up |
| 16:18.34 | brlcad | or even just migrating what's there, but that's not needed |
| 16:19.27 | brlcad | basically "figure something out" so some measure is in place, ideally something that firewalls based on some profile of bad actvitivity |
| 16:19.43 | ``Erik | we're not running telnetd, so there's no remote issue... I really don't know heh :( |
| 16:19.56 | ``Erik | what's the, uh, auto-ipfw deny script on bz? |
| 16:20.02 | ``Erik | I'll migrate it as a first stage |
| 16:20.19 | ``Erik | and we can todo a better solution |
| 16:21.22 | ``Erik | (I mean, no default accounts, no simple pw's, I don't think the risk profile is that high righ tnow) |
| 16:21.47 | ``Erik | ack, lappy assploded |
| 16:22.44 | ``Erik | defcon slides say "don't be stupid with setup" |
| 16:22.58 | brlcad | /etc/sbin and /etc/crontab have the juicy details |
| 16:23.23 | brlcad | but you'll have to go through each crontab one at a time to make sure it still is applicable for crit |
| 16:23.41 | brlcad | potential path and tool changes, safeguard changes, etc |
| 16:23.51 | brlcad | nothing terribly complicated, should be obvious |
| 16:24.03 | ``Erik | oh, your logging stuff, I've no idea what's up with that stuff |
| 16:24.07 | ``Erik | go set that up |
| 16:24.22 | brlcad | that can be later |
| 16:24.33 | ``Erik | ok, crit has been unlogged so far, fwiw |
| 16:24.47 | brlcad | knows |
| 16:24.49 | ``Erik | pheer my botnets |
| 16:25.05 | brlcad | so that's why you're logged in 15 times |
| 16:26.47 | ``Erik | don't make me slap your fro |
| 16:27.42 | ``Erik | (I believe this is the first time I've seen bz below 1.0 load) |
| 16:29.24 | brlcad | http://www.zazzle.com/dont_tease_my_fro_tshirt-235666363645812532 |
| 16:34.02 | ``Erik | http:/crit.brlcad.org:3000 |
| 16:37.16 | brlcad | don't know what to make of that |
| 16:38.55 | ``Erik | did it not work? |
| 16:40.07 | brlcad | I get a page, but have no idea what "Advertising Testes" are .. sounds sticky |
| 16:40.52 | ``Erik | that's bottom goop, it's basically a 'todo' list on steroids, or a project management suite stripped down |
| 16:41.15 | ``Erik | add locations, add tasks to locations, ... |
| 16:41.37 | brlcad | what about locationless tasks? :) |
| 16:41.51 | ``Erik | location called "anywhere" ;) I have one called "internet" |
| 16:42.47 | ``Erik | (seriosuly, tell me what sucks, obviously the landing page pitch sucks... but learn and adjust, right?) |
| 16:44.01 | brlcad | having to add a location sucks :) |
| 16:44.35 | ``Erik | "better default settings", roger |
| 16:45.06 | ``Erik | home and work, big honkin' delete buttons, yeh |
| 16:46.37 | brlcad | after I created a location, I could add a task but then I can't get back to that page if I merely start over .. back to creating a location |
| 16:46.43 | brlcad | i.e, better navigation |
| 16:47.34 | ``Erik | hroger, I've been unhappy with the default rails navigation myself |
| 16:47.37 | brlcad | when I recreated the same location, now it lists twice on the tasks page (along with a handful of other locations I didn't add) |
| 16:47.45 | ``Erik | uniq opt, ok |
| 16:48.04 | ``Erik | bah, other locs/ |
| 16:48.18 | ``Erik | ok, hold up... is the basic premise something you might use |
| 16:48.21 | ``Erik | ? |
| 16:49.32 | brlcad | dunno |
| 16:49.39 | brlcad | utility of task tracking software is mostly dependant on usability (and some on flexibility) |
| 16:50.03 | ``Erik | the idea is a todo list with deps, so things that are not readt are not listed |
| 16:50.06 | brlcad | it's hard to get that usability down to dead-simple obvious and still be flexible enough for a given purpose |
| 16:50.41 | ``Erik | (this is a throw-away to help me learn rails, btw) |
| 16:52.29 | ``Erik | yeah, actually, I wrote this to help me, and I haven't used it... imma call it :) |
| 16:52.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:58.34 | brlcad | woot, transfer underway |
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