| 00:05.32 | brlcad | crdueck: sph would be perfectly suitable (doesn't get any simpler) |
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| 00:09.20 | crdueck | brlcad: yes exactly, i'm just confused as to how primitive "objects" are passed to functions. also, is it appropriate to be asking these types of questions or should i be answering these myself? I have been reading lots of source and trying to figure it out for myself before asking here but i'm still confused. |
| 00:09.57 | brlcad | crdueck: all primitives define a set of callbacks (see src/librt/primitives/table.c) -- you're basically stubbing in a new function for use in a future callback |
| 00:10.23 | brlcad | it's perfectly appropriate to ask these types of questions, you're not expected to just figure stuff out on your own |
| 00:13.07 | brlcad | it's hard enough to write the code, this isn't academic -- we want you to learn the code |
| 00:13.32 | brlcad | questions are just fine, the more specific you can make them the better |
| 00:14.09 | brlcad | basically, you'd be adding a function that takes an rt_db_internal, and you go from there to figure out the area |
| 00:15.06 | brlcad | maybe something with a signature like: int rt_ell_volume(fastf_t *volume, const struct rt_db_internal *ip); |
| 00:16.07 | brlcad | for volume, none are defined yet so you'd be stubbing in the first one |
| 00:16.45 | crdueck | okay, so i see that rt_db_internal has fields idb_{major,minor}_type, what do these represent? the type of primitive? |
| 00:17.44 | brlcad | yes |
| 00:18.12 | brlcad | that's an unwrapped database object |
| 00:18.58 | brlcad | if you look at rt_sph_prep() you'll see how to crack out the actual rt_ell_internal from it |
| 00:24.54 | crdueck | by casting the rt_db_internal as a rt_ell_internal and accessing the idb_ptr field |
| 00:25.04 | crdueck | and that contains the relevent vectors a,b,c to define the ell |
| 00:25.09 | crdueck | relevant* |
| 00:30.05 | brlcad | yes, include/rtgeom.h has the definition |
| 01:19.04 | brlcad | if you really want to get fancy, you could create a test harness that proves the implementation is correct with a few specific test cases (similar to src/libbu/test_*.c) |
| 01:19.25 | brlcad | examples creating objects programmatically in src/proc-db (e.g. src/proc-db/csgbrep.cpp) |
| 01:21.48 | crdueck | i'm still having trouble compiling the svn version unfortunately. i'm going to sort that out but i wanted to get my hands dirty with a patch first. like you said, there's time to get everything in working order after the application deadline |
| 01:27.05 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49849 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/comgeom/comgeom-g.1: correct typo |
| 01:28.45 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49850 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/comgeom/comgeom-g.1: correct example for current usage |
| 01:38.00 | brlcad | nods |
| 01:45.23 | starseeker | for those looking for a good patch topic - the function rt_bot_bbox does not currently create a correct bounding box |
| 01:51.12 | starseeker | the function rt_bot_prep_pieces_ in src/librt/primitives/bot/g_bot_include.c does produce a good bounding box, so something about that logic is not captured correctly by rt_bot_bbox |
| 01:53.12 | brlcad | starseeker: I was just looking at that, but a quick check of the function looks like it just iterates over vertices, no? |
| 01:53.53 | starseeker | that was the idea, but there's some quirk I didn't track down successfully |
| 01:54.12 | starseeker | I think you were the one who noticed it wasn't working originally... |
| 01:54.29 | brlcad | I did, but then I don't remember the problem |
| 01:54.44 | starseeker | bbox was too big |
| 01:55.11 | brlcad | I remember the brep bbox being too big because of the way it was aligning |
| 01:55.45 | brlcad | but for bot, I just remember it being "different" and giving rt changes |
| 01:55.49 | starseeker | brep has other issues, IIRC - I think the bbox is calculated without factoring in the trims |
| 01:56.52 | brlcad | well, either way that'd be a good one to suggest to the list, maybe with a hint on how to test it |
| 01:57.23 | starseeker | svn diff -r46385:46386 shows it was turned off, so reversing that will turn it back on |
| 01:58.06 | brlcad | I didn't suggest it to the nurbs guy just because I thought it'd be better to see nurbs code from him, but bot bbox was the first thing that came to mind actually |
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| 07:05.36 | andrei_ | hello |
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| 07:29.15 | andrei_ | I m running the script from http://brlcad.org/wiki/Code_Cleanup on the brlcad svn-source. This is the output I recieve. In my opinion the 20k duplicated lines doesn't sound as much. Can someone please check the output I posted is correct ? |
| 07:30.02 | andrei_ | I m executing http://pastebin.ca/2134240 while having both brlcad source , simian and the script in the same directory. This is the output I recieve : http://pastebin.ca/2134240 |
| 07:42.05 | andrei_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:35.31 | cristina | hello |
| 12:52.37 | Al_Da_Best | Hi |
| 13:00.44 | andrei_ | hey ( just had to be a different greeting way) |
| 13:01.55 | ``Erik | yargh, mateys, shiver me timbers |
| 13:59.20 | starseeker | cristina: howdy |
| 13:59.49 | starseeker | cristina: just curious, were you still interested in the CSG visualization project? |
| 14:02.51 | starseeker | If so, you might be interested in this CMake-based Goblin source tarball, which has the part of Goblin we can use: http://bzflag.bz/~starseeker/goblin-2.8b30-cmake.tar.gz |
| 14:20.38 | brlcad | andrei_: a coverity scan account could certainly be provided, but there's only a couple dozen issues remaining (maybe a week's worth of work) |
| 14:21.57 | brlcad | andrei_: as for the quantity of duplication, that's not entirely relevant because you probably won't get through more than a few thousand lines in one summer regardless of there being 100k or 20k |
| 14:22.20 | brlcad | that said I think your simian settings could probably be relaxed a little / changed to detect more patterns of duplication |
| 14:22.51 | brlcad | if you read the simian manpage, you might find some more duplication |
| 14:23.05 | brlcad | cristina: how's the proposal coming along? |
| 14:24.13 | cristina | brlcad, my proposal is not ready yet |
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| 14:24.35 | cristina | I'm behind the schedule |
| 14:24.45 | brlcad | andrei_: oh, also if you want to schedule time in your proposal to work on coverity issues, that's fine but it probably shouldn't account for more than a couple weeks of work |
| 14:24.55 | brlcad | cristina: ok |
| 14:25.13 | brlcad | do you know if you might have a rough draft sometime early this week? |
| 14:25.51 | brlcad | it'd be nice to see at least a rough draft three or four days before the submission deadline so we have to provide feedback and you have time to respond to that feedback |
| 14:26.38 | andrei_ | brlcad : I don't know if you noted , I submitted the latest version of my proposal draft here : https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzrcTnxrBIMvdlFuMTFNWkFRX3FEMU9qbU1JUW9Hdw/edit |
| 14:27.05 | brlcad | I did not, can't keep track of everyone :) |
| 14:27.23 | cristina | brlcad I know that it's useful to get feedback and I'll try to make it |
| 14:27.58 | brlcad | cristina: that would be fantastic, especially given how interesting and useful that project is, hopefully something you're excited to work on :) |
| 14:28.14 | andrei_ | sorry, I didn't want to make it sound like a reproach |
| 14:29.47 | cristina | :-) |
| 14:30.29 | andrei_ | brlcad : anyhow , I have two main issues with my proposal. Focusing on a very specific part of code ( I wil follow your advice regarding simian) and the deliverable section I don t know how to fit it to be neither unrealistic nor insufficient |
| 14:31.44 | brlcad | andrei_: so especially for a code refactoring project, it's great to scope out some goals and be realistic, but that is also the easiest type of project to rescope and change direction on once you've started |
| 14:32.44 | andrei_ | so I should have a strict plan and follow it closesly |
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| 14:32.48 | brlcad | so you could work on the largest line counts first, just working down the list; or you could hit up all the issues in a given directory; etc .. but the approach doesn't matter as much as having some initial plan to begin with |
| 14:33.46 | brlcad | we just need something measureable so that we can determine whether you're making progress or whether we need to adjust your goals |
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| 14:34.42 | brlcad | so you can just pick a plan that is appealing to you, is conservatively reasonable based on your skills, and then just go to town with patches until you get commit access |
| 14:35.02 | brlcad | I think you already did a patch, yes? |
| 14:35.06 | andrei_ | yes |
| 14:35.17 | brlcad | so that's great |
| 14:35.25 | andrei_ | you mentioned the "patch" to remove a global var |
| 14:35.34 | brlcad | right, that's an easy starting point |
| 14:35.51 | brlcad | another might be to actually fix just one of the simian duplications |
| 14:36.23 | andrei_ | so it's an actual acceptable approach to follow the simian output |
| 14:36.30 | brlcad | sure |
| 14:36.53 | andrei_ | I m not sure how I should change the script provided , in order to be more relevant for my cause |
| 14:37.32 | brlcad | it doesn't even matter whether you start from the top to bottom, bottom to top, or even out of order as long as there's a method to the madness ;) |
| 14:37.54 | brlcad | andrei_: do you understand what the script is doing? |
| 14:38.20 | andrei_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.30 | andrei_ | it goes through every file in the specified path |
| 14:38.39 | andrei_ | excluding the stated paths |
| 14:39.38 | andrei_ | basically it uses simian for every file in source with the selected extension except for those with -not |
| 14:39.46 | starseeker | cristina: if you're having trouble scoping the project or working out design ideas, please feel free to discuss them in channel |
| 14:39.59 | starseeker | that's why we're here :-) |
| 14:40.11 | brlcad | andrei_: that's basically correct |
| 14:40.35 | brlcad | it runs the 'find' command to get a list of some files (man find) and then it runs the simian command on that list of files |
| 14:40.52 | andrei_ | it something like ./find | grep " what interests me " |
| 14:41.11 | starseeker | cristina: we aren't expecting you to have a fully mature, polished solution written up in the first draft |
| 14:41.27 | starseeker | refinement is a normal part of the process |
| 14:41.29 | brlcad | andrei_: yeah, sorta |
| 14:41.45 | brlcad | andrei_: so assuming you're in the right directory, the list of files is what it is |
| 14:41.58 | brlcad | you can then just focus on the simian command |
| 14:42.29 | brlcad | if you read the simian manual page and look at the line in the script, you'll see that right now the wiki page example just passes the -threshold=25 option |
| 14:42.39 | brlcad | there are LOTS of other options iirc |
| 14:42.59 | brlcad | plus you could get rid of that threshold option and you'll see a lot more |
| 14:43.31 | andrei_ | you have a point |
| 14:43.52 | andrei_ | I need a better understanding of Simian to have a good starting point |
| 14:44.00 | brlcad | again, that aspect doesn't really matter so much right now either other than you should at least read the simian manual page and be basically familiar with what it's capable of if you're going to propose using it all summer ;) |
| 14:44.28 | brlcad | the 20k you have is certainly plenty and more than you could work on all summer anyways |
| 14:45.00 | andrei_ | after this discussion I believe that aswell... |
| 14:46.19 | brlcad | even if you're some amazing hot-shot and you got through all 20k in the first month and you actually didn't introduce bad API or bugs, it's VERY easy to find more work for you -- no worries there whatsoever. ;) |
| 14:46.38 | andrei_ | haha |
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| 14:47.26 | brlcad | I wouldn't expect more than 5% reduction when you add in time for discussion and refactoring that goes along with reducing code |
| 14:48.19 | brlcad | because usually the best way to eliminate duplication isn't to just make a new function -- it's to utilize an existing function and completely rewriting the place where there was duplication |
| 14:48.19 | andrei_ | my issue right now is simian and the fact that I have never used it before |
| 14:48.37 | brlcad | so that is your priority |
| 14:48.40 | brlcad | read the simian docs |
| 14:49.03 | brlcad | shouldn't take more than an hour even if you're slow and fall asleep :) |
| 14:49.13 | brlcad | more likely, 10 minutes |
| 14:49.22 | andrei_ | oh |
| 14:49.30 | andrei_ | if you mean the overview they have on their site |
| 14:49.39 | andrei_ | I have read it when I downloaded simian |
| 14:49.39 | brlcad | wherever they have their docs |
| 14:50.11 | brlcad | I mean, can you tell me without looking what that -threshold=25 does? hopefully you can if you're using it |
| 14:50.44 | brlcad | if not, worth re-reading |
| 14:50.48 | andrei_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.51 | andrei_ | how "deep" to go? |
| 14:51.00 | brlcad | nope :) |
| 14:51.59 | brlcad | so, all that means is it's worth re-reading the docs again, now especially that you're run the tool and are a little familiar with the output |
| 14:52.17 | andrei_ | ah |
| 14:52.18 | brlcad | it might make more sense and "stick" better |
| 14:52.30 | andrei_ | I found exactly what I was looking for, I found a page that explain each parameter and what it does |
| 14:53.03 | andrei_ | as I didn't manage to find any manual in simian before. I do need to have a better look |
| 14:56.34 | andrei_ | so threshold tells simian to ignore files with less than 25 duplicated lines |
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| 15:03.45 | andrei_ | this is how I currently run the script . I consider this a bit better for what I need |
| 15:03.52 | andrei_ | java -Xms200m -Xmx2000m -jar simian-2.3.33.jar -threshold=10 -reportDuplicateText $files |
| 15:06.58 | andrei_ | in any case, thanks a lot for the help:) will get back to work. |
| 15:52.50 | cristina | starseeker, I looked through the functionalities of the Goblin library and I got the idea that their C++ methods could be used to implement the back end graph structures |
| 15:53.40 | brlcad | andrei_: no problem, good discussion |
| 15:55.12 | cristina | I'm not familiar with tcl/tk so I'm having some trouble understanding how to use these structures in order to construct the graphical widgets |
| 16:18.47 | brlcad | cristina: so you have two choices with respect to the gui -- you can aim on implementing something near-term or long-term |
| 16:19.20 | brlcad | near-term being some time less than 3 years and long-term probably greater |
| 16:19.57 | brlcad | the difference being the near-term is learning the tcl/tk capabilities of archer, learning how to use their widgets and running with that |
| 16:21.28 | brlcad | long-term would be to use Qt or some drawing layer that works with Qt canvases or OGRE opengl contexts |
| 16:22.00 | brlcad | the latter is arguably easier if you don't know Tcl/Tk but wouldn't be a capability put into use for quite some time |
| 16:23.22 | brlcad | basically, more flexibility in the long-term but more rapid development and widespread use with a near-term approach |
| 16:23.33 | brlcad | (tcl/tk is really pretty easy to learn) |
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| 16:23.56 | brlcad | so something to keep in mind |
| 16:23.58 | brlcad | hello matovitch |
| 16:34.03 | cristina | brlcad, I assume it's better if the result of this project would be put in use sooner |
| 16:34.14 | cristina | I see that there's still a migration to archer phase. Is this why you mentioned the 3 year period? |
| 16:34.17 | brlcad | both are valuable, it's what is more interesting to you |
| 16:34.38 | brlcad | yes, migration TO archer is still under way and will take at *least* 2-3 years |
| 16:35.08 | brlcad | archer will stay in use then for 2-5 years afterwards probably while a new interface is built up |
| 16:35.29 | cristina | aha, so I would have to make use of the capabilities of mged and later, after they are entirely migrated, use the ones of archer? |
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| 17:02.20 | brlcad | cristina: no entiendo |
| 17:03.00 | brlcad | if you use tcl/tk, you do have access to all of the current capabilities of mged/archer now (which is a lot) |
| 17:03.41 | brlcad | whereas with Qt, you'd have to implement a lot more low-level access to walk the hierarchy (not hard, but it'd be another week or two of work) |
| 17:06.43 | cristina | brlcad: ok. yo entiendo ahora |
| 17:08.41 | cristina | I misunderstood something. I thought archer is going to replace mged |
| 17:09.43 | brlcad | it is |
| 17:10.40 | brlcad | for all intensive purposes, they are one in the same .. archer is about to go into alpha status and will "merge" with mged within the next two years |
| 17:11.11 | brlcad | it all depends on the length of the alpha and beta timeframes, but it's estimated to be around 2-3 years |
| 17:12.08 | brlcad | the underpinnings to archer are nearly identical to mged, though, so the real difference would be with a qt-interface |
| 17:15.09 | cristina | this is what I wanted to know. If there are any differences between mged and archer on the tcl/tk capabilities that I'm going to learn |
| 17:28.30 | brlcad | there are some differences, but they're pretty minor -- archer and mged share most of the same underlying commands that you'd use |
| 18:07.28 | starseeker | cristina: for a CSG viewing widget, you would actually be creating (initially) a stand-alone Tcl/Tk widget with an API, and then hooking that into mged/archer as a second step (as I understand it) |
| 18:07.40 | starseeker | assuming you go the Tcl/Tk route, of course |
| 18:11.10 | starseeker | when it comes to the "get geometry information" aspects, there are several possibilities - you can either use commands at the Tcl/Tk level, or use BRL-CAD's C library API's "behind the scenes" - you'll probably be doing a bit of both, at different levels |
| 18:14.40 | starseeker | To create the widget, the pieces needed are a) ability to extract BRL-CAD's geometry hierarchy and format it in such a way that it can be fed to a graph layout API (Goblin or some other choice) b) take the output from the graph generator and use that to create a visual layout (in Tcl/Tk or some other toolkit) and c) make the visual layout interactive |
| 18:17.24 | starseeker | That gives you some milestones to focus on, since each stage builds on the previous stages and the individual stages can each be tested |
| 18:19.31 | starseeker | Goblin has an application in it called goblet that does some visual graph layouts, so that's a starting point |
| 18:20.05 | starseeker | or at least, something to study to see how c++ data -> tcl/tk graphics can be accomplished |
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| 18:22.19 | starseeker | cristina: if you don't have time to work out all the details of how you would generate the visual widgets, then that's something to schedule in your timeline for your application |
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| 18:43.54 | cristina | starseeker: I am going to include a "research" period in which I can decide this |
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| 18:50.09 | matovitch | hello |
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| 19:01.45 | harmanpreet | hi..!! may I know how can I made page on wiki of brlcad? I created my account, but couldn't find any way to create page there. |
| 19:02.15 | matovitch | I had the same problem. ^^ |
| 19:02.38 | matovitch | Your page is already create. |
| 19:03.09 | matovitch | Go to the /User:your_name and edit |
| 19:04.31 | Al_Da_Best | Welcome to Wiki's :P Yeah, every page exists as soon as it gets edited |
| 19:16.44 | harmanpreet | thanks matovitch..!! |
| 19:16.56 | matovitch | you're welcome |
| 19:26.49 | andrei_ | brlcad : I have just finishing removing a global variable , but it does fit the word "minimal" a bit too good. |
| 19:27.51 | andrei_ | there is a counter in /libbu/ globals.c called bu_n_realloc which is incremented by a function in malloc.c but is never used aside of that |
| 19:27.56 | andrei_ | I have simply commented it. |
| 19:42.54 | andrei_ | and the same with bu_n_malloc |
| 19:43.29 | andrei_ | are they still needed in case of debugs, or is this a acceptable fix? |
| 20:18.41 | bhinesley | brlcad: I'm working on a proposal for adding -exec to the search command. |
| 20:19.02 | bhinesley | we've talked before about registering libged commands, so that a list of them can be obtained |
| 20:19.17 | bhinesley | can't seem to find the relevant log entries... |
| 20:19.47 | bhinesley | but it seems this will be necessary for the project |
| 20:20.41 | bhinesley | I'm assuming there is a particular way you'd like this implemented..? |
| 20:22.51 | bhinesley | I'll give you a chance to respond before I ask you anything specific :) |
| 20:26.48 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49853 10/brlcad/trunk/src/vdeck/ (cgarbs.c std.h): ws, align code chunks |
| 20:34.43 | andrei_ | if those above-stated are acceptable global removals , on what should I move on? Moving to Simian output? |
| 20:38.24 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Matovitch 07http://brlcad.org * r3407 10/wiki/User:Matovitch: |
| 20:38.32 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49854 10/brlcad/trunk/src/vdeck/cgarbs.c: update K&R to ANSII C function arg style |
| 20:39.34 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49855 10/brlcad/trunk/src/vdeck/vdeck.c: ws, style |
| 20:40.00 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Matovitch 07http://brlcad.org * r3408 10/wiki/User:Matovitch: |
| 20:43.34 | brlcad | andrei_: I'm thinking you didn't attempt a recompile |
| 20:44.06 | brlcad | try this: grep bu_n_malloc src/*/*.c |
| 20:44.10 | andrei_ | I did |
| 20:44.24 | andrei_ | and I used eclipse to check the dependencies upon /libbu/ |
| 20:44.38 | andrei_ | ooooh |
| 20:44.47 | andrei_ | a second |
| 20:45.00 | andrei_ | I think I ignored the upper dependencies. Right. |
| 20:45.52 | andrei_ | src/libbu/globals.c:long bu_n_malloc = 0; |
| 20:45.54 | andrei_ | src/libbu/malloc.c: bu_n_malloc++; |
| 20:45.55 | andrei_ | src/rt/main.c:longmdelta = bu_n_malloc - n_malloc; |
| 20:45.57 | andrei_ | src/rt/main.c: n_malloc = bu_n_malloc; |
| 20:46.00 | andrei_ | this is what I got. |
| 20:46.07 | brlcad | I know the result, no need to paste it :) |
| 20:46.58 | andrei_ | it could be added as a parameter to the hidden function |
| 20:47.43 | andrei_ | anyhow, so much for the quick joy. Thanks for help and getting back to fixing this properly. |
| 21:05.42 | crdueck | i've posted a first draft of my application to the wiki, it's still very rough and i'd very much appreciate any feedback. you can find it here: http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Crdueck thanks |
| 21:06.58 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49856 10/brlcad/trunk/src/vdeck/vdeck.c: ws |
| 21:08.01 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Bhinesley 07http://brlcad.org * r3409 10/wiki/User:Bhinesley/gsoc2012/search_proposal: /* Prior commitments */ |
| 21:17.26 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03tbrowder2 * r49857 10/brlcad/trunk/src/conv/comgeom/ (3d.h solid.c tools.c): ws |
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| 22:20.25 | CIA-128 | BRL-CAD: 03Bhinesley 07http://brlcad.org * r3410 10/wiki/User:Bhinesley/gsoc2012/search_proposal: /* Summary */ aka outline (for the more in depth "description" section) |