| 00:08.58 | brlcad | andrei: question answered? |
| 00:31.18 | kanzure | ``Erik: there's also lots of other webgl cad things to look at, like csg.js openjscad shapesmith/bjnortier etc. |
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| 01:05.08 | brlcad | hello jbschw |
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| 01:17.51 | brlcad | hello again jbschw |
| 01:18.03 | jbschw | hello |
| 01:18.42 | brlcad | what brings you to #brlcad |
| 01:20.38 | kanzure | holy ccrap |
| 01:20.40 | kanzure | brlcad: http://stepcode.org/ |
| 01:21.48 | kanzure | brlcad: i don't even know what to say. that's quite a thing. |
| 01:23.24 | CIA-124 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * r50459 10/brlcad/trunk/NEWS: |
| 01:23.24 | CIA-124 | BRL-CAD: bob made a change to the way libbu parses argv array elements to allow escaping |
| 01:23.24 | CIA-124 | BRL-CAD: of quoted strings. this fixes a problem one would encounter if you used |
| 01:23.24 | CIA-124 | BRL-CAD: rtwizard and it tried to feed multiple occlusion objects to rtwizard. now they |
| 01:23.24 | CIA-124 | BRL-CAD: parse and occlude correctly. |
| 01:23.27 | kanzure | i understand that we can't all be web developer wizards but uh.. |
| 01:24.13 | kanzure | does this mean i should donate my time? |
| 01:25.31 | brlcad | kanzure: you mean you love it so much that you want to help, right? |
| 01:25.43 | kanzure | not quite |
| 01:26.03 | kanzure | what? |
| 01:26.07 | brlcad | kanzure: I know all about it, mark (and drupal 7) is part of the reason for the php upgrade |
| 01:26.29 | kanzure | imho php is not a good choice for someone who isn't a web developer (and probably not a good choice for most web developers :P) |
| 01:26.52 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure that page was just to throw something up instead of a dead url |
| 01:27.03 | kanzure | are you hosting stepcode.org? |
| 01:27.16 | brlcad | it's just a static html page (or was at least) |
| 01:27.39 | kanzure | my immediate recommendations are to get rid of the background image and centering if he wants this to be taken seriously |
| 01:27.39 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:28.14 | kanzure | i really doubt that distributing source code in the form of screenshots is a good strategy |
| 01:28.14 | brlcad | again, I'm pretty certain that's really not meant to be the site or even a concept design for the site |
| 01:29.54 | kanzure | "Under Construction" has been off-limits since 199x |
| 01:30.26 | brlcad | I'd stubbed in a simple <html><body><h1>STEPcode</h1><p>...</p><p>...</p></body></html> when I added his web root and he just thought even the stub needed an image (and apparently a couple center tags since it would have been unreadable on top of each other) |
| 01:30.44 | brlcad | harmless |
| 01:30.53 | kanzure | the text appears on top of the image |
| 01:31.11 | brlcad | not as bad as it would have been with the default left-alignment ;) |
| 01:31.24 | kanzure | oh man :( i'm gonna go crawl under a rock |
| 01:31.40 | kanzure | it should just redirect to the github repo with a giant README or something |
| 01:31.42 | brlcad | still, he's not designing the site -- undoubtedly just playing around |
| 01:31.46 | louipc | kanzure: patches welcome :P |
| 01:32.04 | kanzure | louipc: are you mark? |
| 01:32.07 | louipc | nah |
| 01:32.57 | brlcad | he did spend a couple hours fighting a drupal install (which I admit, they totally screwed up in their latest release) |
| 01:33.17 | brlcad | I've done a half dozen installs elsewhere, all smooth, but never on the 7 line .. where they changed quite a bit |
| 01:33.28 | brlcad | apparently with testing as an afterthought |
| 01:33.32 | kanzure | is brlcad.org also drupal? |
| 01:33.39 | brlcad | portions |
| 01:33.49 | brlcad | again, also not designed, that was a freebie |
| 01:35.02 | brlcad | freebie as in I posted a call for an open source webmasterwith a simple concept design prototype layout, someone stepped forward and worked on it for a few months to it's current state |
| 01:35.14 | brlcad | worked good enough, but now it's more than tired and needs to be retired |
| 01:35.46 | brlcad | never did reach the prototype.. :) |
| 01:35.47 | kanzure | brlcad.org's stylesheet seems ok, you just want to avoid the geocities look |
| 01:36.04 | kanzure | sorry, what? a few months? |
| 01:36.19 | brlcad | we at least DID have a style guide beforehand with a color scheme palette defined |
| 01:36.39 | brlcad | there's more there than meets the eye |
| 01:36.55 | brlcad | it's a single unified css theme that applies cleanly to drupal and mediawiki |
| 01:37.00 | kanzure | a few months for the stlyesheet, or the whole drupal configuration? |
| 01:37.08 | kanzure | right |
| 01:37.22 | kanzure | s/stlye/style |
| 01:37.23 | brlcad | whole thing, style, config, ldap, modules, navi, etc |
| 01:37.40 | kanzure | pardon my untrained eye but where is ldap used |
| 01:37.56 | brlcad | most of it was spent trying to get ldap to interact for single auth, but that was ultimately a bust for his skills |
| 01:38.54 | kanzure | i see |
| 01:39.17 | brlcad | set up properly, you would have logged in anywhere on the site and had proper permissions even though different systems were catering to different capabilities |
| 01:39.32 | kanzure | shared sessions between mediawiki and drupal? :/ |
| 01:39.38 | brlcad | drupal sucks at wiki, media sucks at static content |
| 01:39.50 | brlcad | yeah, basically |
| 01:40.11 | kanzure | i personally dislike both of those products, but everyone else hates ikiwiki |
| 01:40.38 | kanzure | oh interesting.. didn't know ikiwiki supported svn |
| 01:41.04 | brlcad | I'm a fan of their momentum as a framework, and to date they've been relatively maintenance free to keep running across several years |
| 01:41.16 | brlcad | from a users perspective, hard to beat mw simplicity |
| 01:41.25 | kanzure | really? i find that i have to fight spam on mediawiki often (either with akismet plugins or whatever) |
| 01:42.15 | brlcad | we'd tackled that problem in the bzflag community years ago |
| 01:42.46 | brlcad | you can really minimize spam to a bare minimum if you set up all the spam prevention bells and whistles .. even while still allowing anonymous everywhere |
| 01:42.59 | brlcad | which I've always been adament about |
| 01:43.44 | brlcad | you can see it in the updates that post here, wiki spam is exceedingly rare .. maybe a couple a month and that's not for lack of attention/attempts/popularity |
| 01:44.24 | kanzure | i think even git-wiki resorts to using a mediawiki-similar stylesheet because users seem to prefer it so strongly :/ |
| 01:44.51 | brlcad | I don't care so much about the stylesheet as the wiki syntax itself |
| 01:45.07 | brlcad | NeverWasAFan! |
| 01:45.21 | kanzure | mediawiki's wikitext is very hard to parse or compute with :/ |
| 01:45.33 | kanzure | what do they call it? sorry it's not wikitext.. it's uh.. |
| 01:45.39 | brlcad | which is probably why it's the easiest for users to actually .. use :) |
| 01:48.37 | brlcad | bz had two wikis -- a mw install and a moinmoin .. we could get minors (seriously, single-digit aged) to edit one of them .. but not the other |
| 01:49.02 | brlcad | finally took it out back and shot it after a few years |
| 01:49.11 | kanzure | are bzflag's users mostly minors? |
| 01:49.27 | brlcad | no |
| 01:49.30 | brlcad | whole gamut |
| 01:49.48 | brlcad | definitely a large percentage, though |
| 01:53.18 | brlcad | starseeker: heh, I just read 50442 ... I'm not sure that actually increased robustness at all really... |
| 01:54.16 | brlcad | need some sort of encode/decode function.. + was just one of probably a couple dozen characters that could screw with the variable name |
| 01:54.39 | brlcad | i thought you handled it better somewhere else I recall coming across (you did something similar to what the autotools guys did) |
| 01:55.11 | brlcad | replacing [^[alnum]] with _'s iirc |
| 01:55.40 | brlcad | (i.e., replacing all "not letter or numbers" with an underscore) |
| 01:56.06 | brlcad | when going into a variable's name, that is |
| 02:02.04 | crdueck | brlcad: correspondance with our mentor should be done over the mailing list, right? |
| 02:51.12 | brlcad | crdueck: correct -- because in general you have LOTS of mentors there and here |
| 02:51.57 | brlcad | unless you have a non-coding matter to discuss like your dog died or you cut off your fingers |
| 02:52.20 | brlcad | you can keep personal matters private, naturally, e-mail your assigned mentor directly for that and cc me |
| 02:59.09 | crdueck | okay, i'm going to put an email out shortly then |
| 03:14.21 | kanzure | hrmm i strongly recommend against cutting off your fingers |
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| 04:43.54 | brlcad | crdueck: excellent write-up, thank you! |