| 00:22.43 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 00:22.43 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:23.26 | brlcad | ~no, cadsvn is To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://svn.code.sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/code/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:23.51 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 00:23.51 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:23.56 | brlcad | gr |
| 00:24.12 | brlcad | ~cadsvn is <reply>To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://svn.code.sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/code/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:24.12 | ibot | ...but cadsvn is already something else... |
| 00:24.18 | brlcad | ~no cadsvn is <reply>To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://svn.code.sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/code/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:24.18 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 00:24.24 | brlcad | ~cadsvn |
| 00:24.24 | ibot | To obtain BRL-CAD from Subversion: svn checkout https://svn.code.sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/code/brlcad/trunk brlcad |
| 00:25.21 | brlcad | (still using https for public instruction here to avoid proxy/firewall explanations) |
| 00:29.19 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:brlcad * 55208 brlcad/trunk/README: first commit to the new repo. shorten some irerelevant and redundant detail. |
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| 00:30.28 | n_reed | yeah i liked the speed of the svn+ssh checkout |
| 00:33.03 | starseeker | wonders how long it will take him to get used to the new path... |
| 00:36.54 | starseeker | brlcad: what's your take on the regex thing? Fix the one in there for 64 bit, or switch to something like pcre that's still actively maintained? |
| 00:38.34 | brlcad | that it was working fine and rweiss broke it trying to make it better? |
| 00:39.52 | brlcad | pcre isn't nearly as portable or as fast as our old bsd copy last I tested, it would warrant retesting before replacing |
| 00:40.05 | brlcad | at least pcre is dependency-free iirc |
| 00:40.49 | brlcad | but still, our lib should be working just fine -- I havent heard any issues that weren't self-inflicted |
| 00:41.32 | starseeker | apparently the red command failed on 64bit windows |
| 00:41.57 | brlcad | and the quintessential... |
| 00:42.00 | brlcad | why? |
| 00:42.10 | brlcad | otherwise, that means nothing |
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| 00:43.17 | brlcad | wow big parse fail there |
| 00:44.04 | starseeker | brlcad: his comment in regex.h suggests that off_t is defined as a "long", which I guess is 32 bit was wasn't enough to hold 64 bit information? |
| 00:44.37 | brlcad | I'd commented several months ago that one of his changes was highly suspect and possibly introducing a behavior change |
| 00:44.47 | starseeker | in red? |
| 00:44.54 | brlcad | in libregex |
| 00:44.58 | starseeker | ah |
| 00:46.04 | brlcad | he's changing a lot of size-specific logic in there, which wold be fine in some places, but libregex is tightly packed |
| 00:46.09 | starseeker | blinks - wow, svn log was a *lot* faster |
| 00:46.15 | brlcad | lots of bit operations for speed |
| 00:46.21 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:46.45 | brlcad | can't just jack types around like he seems to be doing withour deeper understandin/testing |
| 00:47.17 | brlcad | I'd roll back to before the rampage a few months ago and see what the original issues were |
| 00:50.14 | brlcad | starseeker: you can take out the todo readme, certainly what was intended |
| 00:50.55 | starseeker | nods |
| 00:51.36 | starseeker | sorry, computer froze up again - this sucker may be on its last bits... |
| 00:51.39 | brlcad | looks like r51054 is the first commit I flagged in review |
| 00:51.58 | brlcad | claims that got red working.. |
| 00:52.56 | starseeker | if it really is a data type size issue, that could be a little tricky to get right - like you said, lots of size specific logic |
| 00:54.04 | brlcad | the problem is a lack of a problem definition |
| 00:54.25 | starseeker | growl... "Authorization failed." |
| 00:54.37 | brlcad | his response to my inquiry was: |
| 00:54.44 | brlcad | "The file regexec.c includes engine.c twice where the data types changed between the versions. To make this work the sizeof(long) must equal sizeof(char *) which it is not on Win64. The easiest solution was to change all the places where 'long' and 'unsigned long' were used to the 'size_t' and 'ssize_t' since sizeof(char *) and sizeof(size_t) are always equal." |
| 00:55.22 | brlcad | to me, that says he's possibly using the wrong types anyways, and struggling now because of it |
| 00:56.29 | brlcad | NEED the actual win64 error/issue, but using a uint32_t might have been what was needed if type sizes are expected in libregex |
| 00:56.34 | starseeker | wondered a bit if fundamentally variable sized types like size_t would work in that application... |
| 00:56.50 | starseeker | at least, without designing for it up front |
| 01:01.27 | brlcad | from what I saw when I reviewed the commit, libregex doesn't seem to care, but several of the bit operations looked like they may have assumed a long was 32-bit |
| 01:02.03 | brlcad | so converting to size_t (and later to off_t) just exacerbate the problem to everywhere |
| 01:02.17 | brlcad | while possibly making compiler warnings go away |
| 01:02.26 | brlcad | (via quiet casting, not fixing) |
| 01:08.05 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55211 brlcad/trunk/TODO: Have enough info in src/other/README to remove TODO item. |
| 01:08.10 | starseeker | huzza |
| 01:08.37 | starseeker | proceeds to start backing up his home drive before anything else goes south.. |
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| 03:40.54 | brlcad | starseeker: https://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/discussion/362509/thread/0efcfc44 |
| 03:53.50 | kanzure | brlcad: it looks like sourceforge has roled out new url schemas? they also sent out some new urls for svn+ssh:// earlier today.. |
| 03:53.53 | kanzure | *rolled |
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| 05:00.02 | starseeker | brlcad: thanks - got it |
| 08:00.25 | brlcad | kanzure: yes, I finally "upgraded" our project pages |
| 08:00.28 | brlcad | details on the mailing list |
| 08:01.06 | brlcad | (it's been an option since last fall, but I delayed while they got more features migrated) |
| 08:18.13 | caen23 | hmm... any reason why wiki usernames need to be at least 10 characters? |
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| 08:24.32 | kanzure | brlcad: ah i didn't know it was voluntary. cool. |
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| 11:08.39 | ``Erik | neat |
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| 13:37.01 | pankaj | hi |
| 13:38.19 | pankaj | anyone is there??? |
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| 13:58.28 | pankaj | i want to work on Non-vacuum gravity simulator project idea.... can anyone suggest me how to go about that... |
| 14:00.38 | ncsaba | hi all |
| 14:01.14 | ncsaba | anybody around I can talk about refactoring analyze.c ? |
| 14:03.34 | ncsaba | the idea is that the analyze command currently only results in human readable output, but that's not very useful for scripts to query the object's properties |
| 14:04.48 | ncsaba | also I would like to have much more data points available for querying than currently possible... |
| 14:06.15 | ncsaba | in a pipe for example (the primitive I currently study) I would like to be able to query in a script all/any of the bending center points for the bent segments |
| 14:09.01 | ncsaba | the key point here is to define a sensible interface, where the primitives fill some data structures with analyze results, and the analyze.c code displays those structures |
| 14:09.53 | ncsaba | and some other command could filter those structures and fill TCL variables for example with the corresponding TCL data structures |
| 14:11.05 | ncsaba | so analyze.c/h I would expect to define some generic structures (to be filled by primitives), and have generic routines to disply them |
| 14:11.53 | ncsaba | and some new command would use the same primitive routines to fill the data, then put it in TCL structures, possibly filtering for specific variables asked for |
| 14:12.04 | ncsaba | does all this make sense ? |
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| 14:29.59 | ncsaba | ok, I have to leave... bye |
| 14:59.11 | starseeker | so has viewvc (online html-ified repo navigation, diff, etc.) gone bye-bye? |
| 15:01.11 | ``Erik | https://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/code/HEAD/tree/brlcad/trunk/ |
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| 16:06.10 | pankaj | hello....everyone... |
| 16:07.11 | pankaj | i have decided to work on Non-vacuum gravity simulator project idea.....can anyone suggest me"how to go about that".... |
| 16:14.34 | pankaj | ..... |
| 16:15.18 | pankaj | waiting for your response .... |
| 16:17.32 | brlcad | hello pankaj |
| 16:18.00 | pankaj | thank you for the response.. |
| 16:18.07 | zero_level | hey _pankaj .. although i am a newbie in this .. but as i understand .. you will have to come up with a project proposal based on the idea .. it is good that you have shown your interest in brlcad .. Since most of the developers are busy they may not be able to help you with what is expected or.. you could see the developer mailing list and its archives .. you could also try digging in the code |
| 16:18.08 | zero_level | to understand what is expected .. for this just download the code repo from sourceforge.net using svn ..else you could read last year's proposal or final reports from brlcad GSOC selected students .. morever you could mail to the mailing list directly .. |
| 16:18.13 | brlcad | ah ncsaba left.. |
| 16:18.46 | brlcad | pankaj: don't wait for a response, RESEARCH! :) |
| 16:18.55 | brlcad | that's how you go about that |
| 16:18.56 | pankaj | ya....i went |
| 16:19.12 | zero_level | @ _brlcad hope i made it clear from what i wrote |
| 16:19.15 | brlcad | you read code, read more code, ask some questions, read more code still, start writing up some goals |
| 16:19.55 | zero_level | _brlcad i am working on consolidating image processing.. hope i will come with a proposal by tommorow |
| 16:19.55 | brlcad | and some of what zero_level just said, read up on the previous activity on that project |
| 16:19.57 | pankaj | can you tell me...what i have to do in that ... |
| 16:20.26 | brlcad | pankaj: nobody can tell you ... "what you have to do in that" |
| 16:20.37 | brlcad | the is exactly the work |
| 16:20.40 | pankaj | i mean any coding stuffs.... |
| 16:20.58 | brlcad | ask me a question about the code and I'll answer as specific as your question |
| 16:21.26 | brlcad | why did you pick that project? |
| 16:21.39 | pankaj | ya....sure....but i am not getting what i need to do right now with that |
| 16:21.46 | pankaj | because |
| 16:22.11 | brlcad | first off, take a deep breath |
| 16:22.12 | pankaj | i told you already i love physics and maths... |
| 16:22.15 | brlcad | you're trying too hard :) |
| 16:22.25 | brlcad | need to take a step back and understand your problem |
| 16:22.40 | brlcad | then apply basic problem solving skills, tackle your problem and understanding one step at a time |
| 16:23.12 | brlcad | if you don't know where you're going or why, I can't exactly help give you driving directions |
| 16:23.50 | pankaj | my problem is...i dont know what is the problem with the project i mean what i need to do in that project |
| 16:24.17 | brlcad | zero_level: sounds good, what's your goal? |
| 16:24.28 | brlcad | pankaj: YOU define the project, not us |
| 16:24.36 | brlcad | so the problem is what you decide to do |
| 16:24.49 | brlcad | we merely suggest starting points |
| 16:25.01 | brlcad | that's the case with nearly all orgs and projects, they are your proposal |
| 16:25.12 | pankaj | i have decided to work on Non-vacuum gravity simulator idea.. |
| 16:25.12 | brlcad | so there you go, you need to figure out what you want it to do |
| 16:25.19 | brlcad | that's an idea, not a project |
| 16:25.34 | brlcad | that's like saying "i have decided to work on building a car.." |
| 16:25.52 | brlcad | okay, what kind of car, where will it be drive, what will it be used for? |
| 16:26.42 | brlcad | "09:38 < pankaj> anyone is there???" <-- pleae don't do that again :) |
| 16:27.04 | pankaj | oops....sorry for that... |
| 16:27.08 | brlcad | that is not how IRC works |
| 16:27.19 | brlcad | see our wiki page (which I believe I referred you to earlier...) |
| 16:28.19 | pankaj | i saw...there some categories and their related topics... |
| 16:28.34 | brlcad | our wiki page on IRC etiquette |
| 16:28.36 | zero_level | i have basically looked at most of the utilities in the utlity folder |
| 16:29.00 | brlcad | zero_level: and what did you discover? |
| 16:29.11 | zero_level | i found four categories bw,pix,plots and missceallenaous |
| 16:29.37 | zero_level | and sub categories Operations, filters, and conversions |
| 16:30.30 | pankaj | k....Non-vacuum gravity simulator is just an idea ,,not a project??? |
| 16:31.09 | brlcad | pankaj: what is the title of the page that listed that topic? |
| 16:32.02 | pankaj | scientific projects |
| 16:32.15 | brlcad | zero_level: and did a project come to mind, how to extend, refactor, or otherwise improve that body of code? |
| 16:32.26 | brlcad | pankaj: the title of the page |
| 16:32.28 | brlcad | not the section |
| 16:32.46 | brlcad | /wiki/what? |
| 16:33.05 | pankaj | main page |
| 16:33.16 | pankaj | BRL-CAD Wiki |
| 16:33.28 | brlcad | well which one? |
| 16:33.43 | brlcad | and both are wrong, Non-vacuum isn't on either of those |
| 16:34.15 | zero_level | _pankaj i hope brlcad is talking abt this http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas |
| 16:34.24 | zero_level | which says Project Ideas |
| 16:34.44 | brlcad | gives zero_level a cookie for correct |
| 16:35.02 | pankaj | its under scientific projects... |
| 16:35.09 | brlcad | so? |
| 16:35.15 | brlcad | that wasn't my question |
| 16:35.47 | pankaj | sorry...but i didnt get your question |
| 16:35.55 | brlcad | you should say that then |
| 16:36.00 | zero_level | _pankaj you would like to read open-advice.org |
| 16:36.35 | zero_level | _brlcad thanks! |
| 16:36.37 | brlcad | pankaj: open source really emphasizes communication |
| 16:36.54 | brlcad | if you don't understand something I say or ask, don't just make up guess answers |
| 16:37.06 | brlcad | get clarification, explain what you do not understand |
| 16:37.47 | brlcad | we're here to help you, but can't help you if you don't communicate effectively |
| 16:39.14 | brlcad | pankaj: do you understand what I was saying with my question now? |
| 16:39.28 | brlcad | you asked whether it was an idea or a project |
| 16:39.33 | brlcad | it's a project idea |
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| 16:39.55 | brlcad | and how much did you miss? |
| 16:40.52 | pankaj_ | sorry for disturbance... |
| 16:41.02 | brlcad | pankaj_: what was the last line you saw? |
| 16:41.15 | pankaj_ | open-advice.org... |
| 16:41.28 | brlcad | 12:36 < brlcad> pankaj: open source really emphasizes communication |
| 16:41.28 | brlcad | 12:36 < brlcad> if you don't understand something I say or ask, don't just make up guess answers |
| 16:41.31 | brlcad | 12:37 < brlcad> get clarification, explain what you do not understand |
| 16:41.33 | brlcad | 12:37 < brlcad> we're here to help you, but can't help you if you don't communicate effectively |
| 16:41.37 | brlcad | 12:39 < brlcad> pankaj: do you understand what I was saying with my question now? |
| 16:44.16 | zero_level | also i have seen the current progress on libicv and the logs describing bu_image converted to icv_image ... i saw the codes in libicv describes the file format but has only one utility i.e. rotate.. I am looking at some openly available image library to represent the images in brlcad... and convert this part of code into a sub tool like rtwizard application .. |
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| 16:46.17 | pankaj | :( |
| 16:46.49 | brlcad | pankaj: is there a reason you cannot use a real irc client? |
| 16:48.07 | pankaj | no....my hostel wifi blocks chat category sites and all...and i am using this loosy modem ... |
| 16:48.23 | pankaj | thats why i am not able to be steady .. |
| 16:48.37 | brlcad | a real irc client won't be a "chat category site" |
| 16:48.59 | brlcad | irc is over it's own port, not http |
| 16:48.59 | pankaj | stay connected |
| 16:49.44 | brlcad | that's why I'm suggesting you try a real client |
| 16:49.46 | pankaj | may be ....i dont have much knowledge about irc....but they did setup like that |
| 16:50.25 | brlcad | there are only a thousand or more tutorials around the web (including the IRC wiki page I asked you to read yesterday) |
| 16:51.28 | brlcad | you will find that most people in open source have very little patience if you do not read information provided specifically to help you understand something |
| 16:52.22 | brlcad | please read http://brlcad.org/wiki/IRC in full, try one of the real clients in the IRC client list |
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| 16:54.55 | pankaj | sorry...this internet is such.... |
| 16:55.05 | brlcad | please read http://brlcad.org/wiki/IRC in full, try one of the real clients in the IRC client list |
| 16:55.16 | brlcad | you will find that most people in open source have very little patience if you do not read information provided specifically to help you understand something |
| 16:55.41 | pankaj | do u want me to download mIRC???? |
| 16:55.54 | brlcad | wtf |
| 16:56.07 | pankaj | sorry |
| 16:57.52 | brlcad | "no", I want you to read http://brlcad.org/wiki/IRC in full, and try one of the real clients in the IRC client list |
| 16:58.17 | pankaj | ok...i am on it... |
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| 17:09.19 | zero_level | _brlcad ? |
| 17:16.06 | pankaj_ | i installed mirc.. |
| 17:17.37 | pankaj_ | please help me in this |
| 17:26.10 | pankaj_ | sorry |
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| 17:50.18 | pankaj | :'( |
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| 19:24.25 | pankaj | this is again me.... |
| 19:28.35 | pankaj | is there anyone[ i mean student] working on Non-vacuum gravity simulator idea of scientific projects??? |
| 19:46.23 | vladbogo | hi |
| 19:47.34 | vladbogo | i have just got the code from the new repo and I get an compilation error that off_t from regex.h was previously defined |
| 19:49.17 | vladbogo | i commented that line and everything seems to work fine but i do not know if this is the solution |
| 19:49.41 | vladbogo | is there anything i should do? |
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| 19:54.44 | pankaj | i am having a look over previous years development over Non-vacuum gravity simulator idea project done by Alex Taylor... |
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| 20:34.11 | ``Erik | vladbogo: leave it commented out, it's a messed up hack to deal with 64b windows that needs some more attention :/ |
| 20:35.35 | vladbogo | ``Erik thanks for your reply |
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| 22:38.31 | brlcad | mpictor: welcome! |
| 22:41.13 | mpictor | hey :) |
| 22:41.24 | mpictor | see my email about #stepcode? |
| 22:41.34 | mpictor | * #stepcode ? |
| 22:41.50 | mpictor | finally created it, as starseeker suggested |
| 22:45.01 | brlcad | yep, already joined |
| 22:45.10 | brlcad | you use IRC before? |
| 22:46.16 | mpictor | occasionally |