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| 00:35.05 | zero_level | brlcad: i have never been involved in a software development with this big code base. But have read courses dealing with aspects of software engineering. with that i have made the working schedule |
| 00:35.25 | zero_level | Acc. to your experience. need your suggestions in that |
| 00:37.03 | zero_level | http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Level_zero/proposal#Working_Schedule |
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| 02:12.18 | maths22 | brlcad: do you have a gimp-type image file for this: http://brlcad.org/images/angelov_512x256.png |
| 02:13.01 | maths22 | the wiki notifier is working wekk :) |
| 02:13.09 | maths22 | sorry; well |
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| 02:38.34 | zero_level | :math22 can u review my proposal |
| 02:39.22 | zero_level | maths22: can u review my proposal at /wiki/User:Level_zero/proposal |
| 02:48.54 | maths22 | zero_level: I am an HS student, not a mentor, so no, I cannot review your proposal |
| 02:49.28 | maths22 | There are only so many mentors, but hopefully one will eventually have time to look at it |
| 02:49.36 | maths22 | They have other things to do too :) |
| 02:51.04 | zero_level | yeah.. i knew u are not among the developers or mentors. I thought you are one of the gsocers. Thus asked to review and suggest. |
| 02:51.52 | zero_level | mentors' #irc are given on the web.. ;) |
| 02:52.04 | maths22 | I know; not trying to be rude or anything. |
| 02:52.22 | zero_level | sure :) never taken :) |
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| 03:18.17 | zero_level | brlcad: I have worked further on my proposal. please suggest improvemnets. thnx |
| 04:12.31 | brlcad | zero_level: at a glance, it's looking pretty good |
| 04:13.05 | brlcad | June 24 - Aug 16 is pretty vague, could be more specific |
| 04:13.35 | brlcad | with docs and testing, that doesn't really leave much of any time for implementation, so I'd expect you should be able to say what you're implementing with more specificity |
| 04:14.16 | brlcad | your last two weeks are a bit of a punt, Sep 16 - Sep 27 |
| 04:14.23 | brlcad | doesn't take two weeks to "submit code" |
| 04:14.27 | brlcad | maybe two hours |
| 04:15.24 | brlcad | zero_level: also .. "I propose to add these functionalities in the icv library" ... like hell you will get that much done :D |
| 04:16.38 | brlcad | if you focused only on processing and not on import/export and formats, "maybe" ... but still seems unlikely |
| 04:18.07 | brlcad | maths22: I'd have to check, not sure what all we have now, but unlikely a gimp file |
| 04:18.23 | brlcad | maybe a photoshop file, and we do now have a few .g versions from GCI |
| 04:19.01 | brlcad | maths22: you most certainly could be qualified to be a GSoC mentor :) |
| 04:19.43 | brlcad | mentoring has no requirements other than willingness and familiarity |
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| 05:45.10 | avneet | Hello ! |
| 05:45.36 | avneet | I want to discuss about project STEP Libraries |
| 05:46.37 | avneet | On wiki page, it is mention to cleanup the code. |
| 05:47.03 | avneet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:01.55 | avneet | what have to do in STEP Libraries project? |
| 06:02.23 | avneet | Have to cleanup SC ? |
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| 06:10.41 | cstirk | avneet: there are several STEP projects, and I am one of the mentors for them |
| 06:12.10 | cstirk | n_reed and starseeker are also knowledgeable regarding STEP |
| 06:12.46 | cstirk | you need to read the background materials on brl-cad and stepcode |
| 06:14.45 | cstirk | do you have a specific question about one of the projects, or have a related project to propose? |
| 06:16.26 | avneet_ | Yes, I am talking about STEP Libraries project |
| 06:17.33 | avneet_ | http://brlcad.org/wiki/STEP_Libraries |
| 06:18.01 | avneet_ | I have to clean which libraries? Is it SC libraries or not? |
| 06:20.36 | cstirk | Thanks. There are several STEP projects, the one you list is a good one |
| 06:21.02 | avneet_ | on this wiki page, a link is mentioned https://github.com/stepcode/stepcode for study |
| 06:21.42 | avneet_ | Please tell me I have to improve SC librray? |
| 06:21.50 | cstirk | Yes, also www.stepcode.org and the linked google group |
| 06:22.29 | avneet_ | ok, now it's clear that i have to work upon SC library. |
| 06:23.10 | cstirk | The STEP Libraries project is to improve stepcode for brlcad |
| 06:24.16 | avneet_ | improve stepcode this one https://github.com/stepcode/stepcode ? |
| 06:25.36 | avneet_ | If we modify SC then it wil effect on src/con/step code? |
| 06:25.45 | cstirk | Yes, and how brlcad implements it as documented here http://stepcode.org/stepcode-use-doxygen/step-g_8cpp.html |
| 06:27.31 | kanzure | excellent |
| 06:28.24 | cstirk | There are many things you can do to improve stepcode for brlcad, this project is focused on quality, performance, and documentation |
| 06:29.46 | avneet_ | ok, it is very interesting. |
| 06:29.51 | avneet_ | :) |
| 06:31.48 | cstirk | It is a good project for someone that does not know much about CAD or STEP, but is willing to learn and has a good foundation in software fundamentals |
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| 06:48.37 | cstirk | avneet: please create a wiki page to start with your background and interests, and look at the information on stepcode like the google group and github |
| 06:49.19 | cstirk | That will help us and you to focus on areas where you can contribute |
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| 10:35.01 | jasleen | I am working on Cross Platform Display Manager. |
| 10:36.30 | jasleen | In project's main page, it is written that OGRE or Qt should use to make it cross Platform. |
| 10:36.57 | jasleen | and also it is written that OGRE/Qt running and embedded within a Tk window |
| 10:37.13 | jasleen | here it is-http://brlcad.org/wiki/New_Cross-Platform_3D_Display_Manager |
| 10:37.48 | jasleen | I have a Question to make it cross platform, why Tk not used? |
| 10:39.58 | jasleen | If TK window is made in TK/TCL, then why Qt or OGRE are prioritized? |
| 10:40.37 | jasleen | TK itself is a cross platform framework. |
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| 11:12.18 | zero_level | jasleen: you could write that in a proposal and submit. |
| 11:13.02 | zero_level | jasleen: Once the developers are here they would surely answer your queries. |
| 11:13.43 | zero_level | to start with you could create a wiki page for your proposal by creating an account at brlcad.org |
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| 11:16.34 | zero_level | kesha_: how is your proposal going. |
| 11:16.48 | zero_level | have u submitted to the mellange website. |
| 11:20.00 | ``Erik | http://techland.time.com/2013/05/01/tiny-toon-ibm-makes-a-movie-out-of-atoms/ |
| 11:21.14 | ``Erik | jasleen: ogre provides a much better 3d display mechanism, qt supposedly provides a richer nicer looking 2d widget toolkit, our current approach is tk |
| 11:23.36 | jasleen | ``Erik: If Tk is current approach, then display should be in Tk |
| 11:25.46 | ``Erik | i'm not an advocate of qt, I think brlcad might have a set of reasons to consider it... he should be on in the next couple of hours |
| 11:26.03 | jasleen | ok |
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| 11:26.47 | ``Erik | but for 3d type stuff, we hijack a tk canvas to blast opengl or X stuff to, and we have one app that currently uses togl... those might benefit greatly from using ogre to drive a tk widget |
| 11:26.50 | jasleen | ``Erik: Can you tell me about Tk window? What is this and where is its source code? |
| 11:27.32 | ``Erik | whu? you mean how BRL-CAD uses it? or? |
| 11:28.05 | jasleen | yes. What is this? and how to use it? |
| 11:28.10 | ``Erik | mged and archer are probably the two heaviest TK using programs in BRL-CAD |
| 11:28.27 | jasleen | ok |
| 11:28.56 | jasleen | ``Erik: I choose Qt for this purpose. |
| 11:29.58 | jasleen | ``Erik: I am more famillier with Qt, I would like to use Qt framework. |
| 11:30.00 | avneet | Is currently BRL-CAD not using STEPcode? |
| 11:30.08 | jasleen | Is it ok? |
| 11:30.33 | ``Erik | I'd recommend that you hang out for a while and talk to brlcad (possibly starseeker) about the project goals regarding qt... I can't really help there :) |
| 11:30.48 | ``Erik | avneet: I believe it's used in the src/conv/step-g converter |
| 11:30.49 | jasleen | ok :) |
| 11:32.38 | avneet | but i code is different of svn with github repository of STEPcode |
| 11:32.45 | avneet | i think |
| 11:33.21 | ``Erik | it looks like we have a copy of the github one in src/other/step/ (but it may be out of date) |
| 11:34.52 | ``Erik | c415e49 looks like the last merge from git? might just be a partial, and has been modified since |
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| 11:52.52 | starseeker | avneet: we are currently using a different fork of the original stepcode, but just recently we merged our changes with the main stepcode project on github - after the upcoming release we will be switching to using stepcode |
| 11:53.18 | starseeker | so the code base you want to focus on for gsoc is the github stepcode |
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| 11:55.14 | starseeker | jasleen: Qt is what we would eventually like to use as a foundation for a new GUI, for a number of reasons, but an initial transitional stage of embedding an OGRE window inside a Tk window (much as MGED currently embeds an OpenGL window) would be an excellent start |
| 12:00.43 | starseeker | jasleen: a decent place to start with understanding how we might eventually want to work with Qt and OGRE is to study this demo: http://advancingusability.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/how-to-integrate-ogre3d-into-a-qt5-qml-scene/ |
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| 12:05.17 | kesha | zero_level: I have submitted on melange but it needs heavy modifications. |
| 12:05.25 | kesha | zero_level: what about you ? |
| 12:09.24 | zero_level | not yet submitted on mellange. |
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| 12:18.45 | jasleen | starseeker: I didn't use OGRE yet, But if you recommend to use it. Then would defintely start it. |
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| 16:24.06 | cstirk | kesha: STEP AP242 vs multi-protocol? AP242 probably needs to be done first. Get to work on your application and wiki page. |
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| 16:31.41 | maths22 | photoshop works. I have photoshop 2 |
| 16:31.52 | maths22 | sorry too |
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| 16:32.00 | Ch3ck | Hey guys |
| 16:32.30 | maths22 | I just picked gimp because I thought it was more probable |
| 16:32.47 | Ch3ck | brlcad: hi |
| 16:33.17 | maths22 | could I get the psd file? |
| 16:37.26 | kesha | Ch3ck: I don't think brlcad is here now. |
| 16:37.49 | Ch3ck | kesha: ok thanks |
| 16:38.03 | Ch3ck | so how is it going guys with the gsoc proposals? |
| 16:38.23 | zero_level | ch3k: hii! |
| 16:38.29 | kesha | Ch3ck:I am also waiting for him. |
| 16:38.47 | maths22 | I see all you gsoc people have 1 day left. Do you know how many of you there are? |
| 16:39.15 | Ch3ck | kesha: ok |
| 16:39.24 | Ch3ck | zero_level: hiiii what up? |
| 16:39.37 | zero_level | math22: u do all the web work |
| 16:39.45 | zero_level | tell us how many have registered |
| 16:39.55 | Ch3ck | maths22: well they must be many but the number does not really matter since all the projects are also many |
| 16:40.58 | zero_level | math22: u do all the web work .. tell us how many have registered |
| 16:41.55 | maths22 | Where would they have registered? I can only see the wiki, but it dosen't have any list of gsoc participants. |
| 16:43.30 | kesha | zero_level: Do you mean on melange ? |
| 16:44.21 | maths22 | I don't have melange access if that is what you mean. |
| 16:44.37 | zero_level | no! i thought the proposals on the wiki |
| 16:44.44 | Ch3ck | nop |
| 16:44.56 | Ch3ck | guys u guys can't know how many have registered |
| 16:44.57 | Ch3ck | so far |
| 16:45.14 | Ch3ck | that can only be known by the organization since the applications |
| 16:45.18 | Ch3ck | are sent to them. |
| 16:45.40 | maths22 | I can tell you that, since april, 31 users have created wiki accounts. |
| 16:45.41 | Ch3ck | but well you can estimate how many are participating based on the discussions on the developer lists and |
| 16:46.00 | maths22 | Probably a number of them are gsoc applicants, but I'm not sure how many |
| 16:46.06 | Ch3ck | maths22: that does not mean 31 have applied |
| 16:46.18 | Ch3ck | only Google and brlcad know |
| 16:46.27 | Ch3ck | since they receive the applications |
| 16:46.38 | maths22 | I think ``Erik may too; he seems to be the |
| 16:46.45 | Ch3ck | well you can look at the code patches submitted on source forge |
| 16:46.45 | maths22 | "second in command" |
| 16:47.02 | Ch3ck | yeah ``Erik is a brlcad mentor |
| 16:47.05 | Ch3ck | so he can know |
| 16:47.19 | Ch3ck | but knowing the number of applicants does not matter much |
| 16:47.30 | Ch3ck | if your proposal is good you'll be selected |
| 16:48.00 | Ch3ck | What matters is they want as many good hard to find programmers as possible who they can work with during the summer. |
| 16:48.54 | maths22 | I was just wondering because I was curious; last year, it looks like they accepted 11; the year before only 2 |
| 16:49.10 | maths22 | I know that this year they want at least 3, but I wonder how many they will do in the end |
| 16:52.14 | Ch3ck | well nobody can tell except the mentors probably.. |
| 16:52.37 | maths22 | And they probably won't know until they see all the applications |
| 16:56.44 | zero_level | check: maths22: true that |
| 16:56.47 | Ch3ck | well based on those that have applied for now they will have some numbers already |
| 16:57.09 | maths22 | true |
| 17:03.59 | Ch3ck | yeah |
| 17:12.28 | Ch3ck | zero_level: u der? |
| 17:13.10 | zero_level | ch3ck: yes. i think ur comments will help me further |
| 17:13.43 | Ch3ck | ok np |
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| 17:32.25 | Ch3ck | hey vlad |
| 17:33.09 | vladbogo | hi |
| 17:33.27 | Ch3ck | 1 day 1hour 2go.. |
| 17:34.43 | vladbogo | yep |
| 17:35.03 | Ch3ck | so have u gotten fback from brlcad? |
| 17:35.09 | Ch3ck | concerning ur proposal.. |
| 17:38.59 | vladbogo | no I haven't |
| 17:39.17 | Ch3ck | well it seems they are very busy these days.. |
| 17:39.29 | vladbogo | I supposed that they are |
| 17:39.47 | Ch3ck | well applications end 2moro... |
| 17:40.03 | Ch3ck | wanted to c brlcad for some changes he asked me to make. |
| 17:41.07 | vladbogo | I have also made a second proposal for another project |
| 17:41.21 | Ch3ck | ok |
| 17:41.25 | vladbogo | so I hope things will turn out good:D |
| 17:41.26 | Ch3ck | well i made only 1 |
| 17:41.36 | Ch3ck | we all hope so.. |
| 17:41.53 | Ch3ck | the time was really short to study the code and make proposals.. |
| 17:41.59 | Ch3ck | just about 2-3weeks |
| 17:42.32 | vladbogo | and also a lot of school projects |
| 17:44.58 | zero_level | vladbogo: well in my case i was able to brief through most of the parts |
| 17:48.17 | vladbogo | zero_level: that's good, I was also able to brief through most of the parts but it was a really busy 3 week time |
| 17:48.36 | Ch3ck | yeah |
| 17:48.39 | Ch3ck | it was |
| 17:48.50 | Ch3ck | it took me some time to get used to the libraries |
| 17:51.07 | vladbogo | yes but we finally managed to get used to them and we learned some new things |
| 17:51.33 | Ch3ck | yeah.. |
| 17:51.40 | zero_level | vladbogo: even i could make only 1 |
| 17:51.52 | Ch3ck | me too.. |
| 17:52.42 | vladbogo | well mine are a little bit related so it was easier because the actual code that I had to study is the same |
| 17:53.01 | Ch3ck | good for you... |
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| 18:14.22 | priyanka | tgf-g command has no manual page. Is there any description about it in any other source? |
| 18:15.06 | Ch3ck | no idea? |
| 18:19.34 | priyanka | how to use this command? |
| 18:19.51 | priyanka | or where it is used and when? |
| 18:20.09 | Ch3ck | well i don't know |
| 18:20.22 | Ch3ck | well you could ask on the developer's mailing list. |
| 18:21.11 | priyanka | i never got any reply from their side :( |
| 18:21.27 | priyanka | I posted on mailing list too |
| 18:22.08 | zero_level | priyanka: i think patience is the need. |
| 18:22.17 | zero_level | stay here for some time. |
| 18:22.31 | Ch3ck | well they have alot of work on their hands now.. |
| 18:22.33 | zero_level | you will be sure to get the reply |
| 18:22.38 | Ch3ck | so you gotta be rally patient. |
| 18:22.40 | zero_level | check: true |
| 18:22.47 | Ch3ck | as zero_level says. |
| 18:22.49 | Ch3ck | yeah |
| 18:24.54 | vladbogo | priyanka: there's a tgf-g.cpp source in src/conv/intaval |
| 18:25.07 | vladbogo | maybe you can find information there |
| 18:25.33 | vladbogo | sorry src/conv/intaval |
| 18:26.07 | vladbogo | never-mind I thought I have written the path wrong the first time |
| 18:27.34 | zero_level | vladbogo: u did grep ? |
| 18:27.39 | vladbogo | ack-grep |
| 18:27.43 | zero_level | yeah.. |
| 18:28.02 | zero_level | teach this to her as well |
| 18:28.14 | priyanka | I saw that file |
| 18:28.37 | priyanka | But need to run the command |
| 18:28.49 | priyanka | to know its functioning well |
| 18:29.31 | priyanka | So I want some description . |
| 18:32.36 | priyanka | Anyways, exploring these files. Thanks for reply |
| 18:33.51 | vladbogo | you're welcome also if you run ack-grep you find other related sources. Maybe you can find out there some more info |
| 18:36.03 | priyanka | ok. |
| 18:36.29 | priyanka | I usually us this command for locating files: locate tgf-g|grep ~/Desktop/brl\ cad/ |
| 18:36.36 | priyanka | *use |
| 18:51.39 | Ch3ck | priyanka: gud 4 u right? |
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| 19:27.17 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD:starseeker * 55296 (brlcad/trunk/include/vmath.h brlcad/trunk/src/librt/primitives/nmg/nmg_misc.c): Rather than defining a VMATH macro that unitizes and returns if there is a tolerance error, just do the test in the calling code and use the standard UNITIZE macro. |
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| 20:16.42 | Ch3ck | exit |
| 20:16.46 | Ch3ck | bye guys |
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| 23:07.40 | starseeker | maryannexe: the wiki and idea outline should get you started - you need to come up with a proposal of what specifically to do and how to accomplish it |
| 23:08.53 | starseeker | study the topic enough so that you can make intelligent suggestions about how to proceed - the basic pointers on the idea page should be enough to get you started |
| 23:26.16 | maryannexe | well, in general, the point is clear. now i'm working on my proposal. |
| 23:26.26 | maryannexe | it is my first participation in GSoC and difficult for me to make the timeline. for example what happens if I say in my proposal that i'll do smth in June, and then i do in July? |
| 23:26.39 | maryannexe | how much detail should I make a timeline? |
| 23:30.15 | starseeker | maryannexe: the more detail the better |
| 23:30.23 | starseeker | you can't have too much |
| 23:32.33 | starseeker | maryannexe: you need to scope out your approach to the problem well enough that you *can* build a timeline |
| 23:33.01 | maryannexe | too much what? |
| 23:33.06 | starseeker | if your concept of the task is simply "do X over the course of the summer" that's not enough |
| 23:33.15 | starseeker | you can't have too much detail in your proposal |
| 23:34.48 | maryannexe | ok, thx |
