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| 02:24.21 | brlcad | andromed`: that would very much be of interest (factoring tk) |
| 02:31.13 | brlcad | there's a variety of issues there that you could tackle too such as removing all tcl/tk from libraries, making mged and/or archer include libraries via tcl package require mechanism instead of the compiled libtclcad method we use, creating a separate module as you mentioned (sort of a variant on the first) |
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| 02:37.56 | brlcad | andromeda-galaxy: let me know if you need me to repeat the reply ;) |
| 02:38.10 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: sorry, my IRC client malfunctioned, so I missed what you said... |
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| 02:39.40 | brlcad | basically "that would very much be of interest (factoring tk into a module)" |
| 02:39.54 | brlcad | there's a variety of potential project and approaches there |
| 02:39.54 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: I think I saw that... |
| 02:40.01 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: I'm not sure if you saw my next question: |
| 02:40.13 | andromeda-galaxy | does this only apply to TK or to all of TCL in general? |
| 02:40.37 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 02:40.49 | brlcad | tk will eventually go away |
| 02:41.27 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: I might be wrong, but I thought that BRL-CAD included some amount of TCL code separate from TK used for certain computations --- I was wondering if factoring that out would be useful as well as factoring out the calls to the TK graphics library |
| 02:41.27 | brlcad | at least our use of it for gui work will go away |
| 02:42.06 | brlcad | it's a fair bit complicated |
| 02:42.43 | brlcad | so best would probably be to set a specific goal instead of thinking about it as tcl or tk |
| 02:43.10 | brlcad | there's tcl/tk code (written in tcl/tk) and tcl/tk api (written in C, libtcl and libtk functions) |
| 02:43.18 | brlcad | we use both pretty heavily |
| 02:43.40 | brlcad | tcl/tk API use can and should go away completely, and that can pretty much happen today |
| 02:43.48 | brlcad | that's probably the best/easiest starting point |
| 02:44.12 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: Okay, I will try to find calls to the TCL/TK apis and remove them if possible |
| 02:44.13 | brlcad | the distinction make sense? |
| 02:44.24 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: I think so |
| 02:44.26 | brlcad | I'd suggest starting simple, one lib |
| 02:44.55 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: thank you for all the help, I will try to do that |
| 02:45.19 | andromeda-galaxy | By the way, when building BRL-CAD earlier today a couple of files in include/rt/ failed the -Wc++-compat tests |
| 02:45.49 | andromeda-galaxy | Sorry, I mean include/RtServerImpl.h and a file in include/rt |
| 02:46.27 | brlcad | suggest trying src/librt first, so you get an idea of how it's being used |
| 02:47.08 | brlcad | grep -r Tcl src/librt | grep -v tcl.c |
| 02:47.24 | andromeda-galaxy | is tcl.c a TCL interface to librt? |
| 02:47.25 | brlcad | (the tcl.c file is a binding source so the .so can be run-time loaded) |
| 02:47.32 | andromeda-galaxy | I see, thanks |
| 02:47.42 | brlcad | basically can ignore, not technically part of librt |
| 02:47.49 | andromeda-galaxy | I see.... |
| 02:48.07 | brlcad | we compile it in currently but that's easy to make type-agnostic |
| 02:48.26 | brlcad | you'll find a tcl.c in libbu and libbn where we've pretty much already eliminated tcl api use |
| 02:48.48 | andromeda-galaxy | that makes sense... |
| 02:48.57 | brlcad | a common use it tcl list splitting (string processing) and hash tables |
| 02:49.01 | brlcad | s/it/is/ |
| 02:49.21 | brlcad | we have facilities in libbu for those now (and anything we don't have could be added easily) |
| 02:49.44 | andromeda-galaxy | Do you know of a document that clarifies the libbu hash table APIs? I found them a little confusing... |
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| 02:50.37 | andromeda-galaxy | Also, it looks like some code uses Pcl_DecrRefCount extensively; would that require implementing some kind of general reference counting framework in C? |
| 02:50.57 | brlcad | andromeda-galaxy: easiest is to find some place where they're used and see how they use them |
| 02:51.08 | brlcad | then go back and document an example in bu.h ;) |
| 02:51.27 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: okay, thanks... I will do that when I get a chance |
| 02:51.45 | brlcad | or consider a different container altogether |
| 02:52.03 | brlcad | there's often no explicit need for a hash, case-by-case |
| 02:52.19 | brlcad | sometimes the code calling tcl can get entirley eliminated too, so depends where it's used |
| 02:52.26 | andromeda-galaxy | That makes sense --- it's just a convenient data structure |
| 02:53.15 | andromeda-galaxy | convenient -> easy to index with keys, even if the perfomance of a hash table is not necessary |
| 02:53.39 | brlcad | we have other key-index containers too |
| 02:55.09 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: thank you for all of the information --- brl-cad is so large that even after working on on it for a while I still don't know half of what it contains. |
| 02:55.21 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: I will start working on some of the librt stuff tomorrow |
| 02:55.35 | andromeda-galaxy | rt_bot_adjust seems like a good candidate to start with... |
| 02:55.41 | brlcad | like bu_avs (literally a key=value container), bu's redblack trees, and even a plain ol' array of a simple struct if use is limited |
| 02:56.12 | brlcad | andromeda-galaxy: I've been working on it for over a decade and I still find things I didn't know existed |
| 02:59.27 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: I have something that I need to leave for, but I'll try to work on some of the TCL/TK stuff tomorrow. Would you mind if I sent you a patch for my first attempt on one of them before committing it? I'm not sure if I'm completely clear on the usage of the reference counters, but I think I know what is going on. |
| 02:59.41 | brlcad | all the more reason to spend time to refactor, clean up, reduce, reuse |
| 02:59.43 | brlcad | sure, go for it |
| 03:00.04 | brlcad | you can just commit it and I can review that |
| 03:00.06 | brlcad | I read them all |
| 03:01.29 | andromeda-galaxy | brlcad: okay, thanks |
| 03:03.06 | brlcad | the only place we have to be careful is when changing public API (if you end up needing to modify something in the include/ dir) |
| 03:03.34 | brlcad | there are rules and conventions to follow when adding, removing, modifying the public API |
| 03:03.45 | brlcad | implementation files, however, are unbound |
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