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01:52.58maths22ankesh11_: you probably need to add something to the cmake files to dump those settings into a text file
01:53.09maths22I think the cmake summary is a good starting point
01:53.46maths22If those are in a text file, the benchmark program can read them in
01:54.31maths22I don't know of any currently generated file that has that information easily acessable, but someone else may be more knowledgeable on that point
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04:07.38richaI wish to do submit some patches for http://brlcad.org/wiki/Synchronize_Wiki_with_Docbook
04:08.16richaAs of now, there is no existing code, what else can I do for my initial contribution?
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05:18.09brlcadricha: any patch is better than no patch, or consider different code to patch
05:18.39brlcadif you know other languages, lots of options for Python, C, C++, Tcl, and posix shell
05:19.23brlcadplus there's the previous benchmark database web work, the online geometry viewer work, and the model repository code
05:19.33brlcad(see prior gsoc years on our wiki)
05:20.57brlcadankesh11: run.sh file??
05:21.06brlcadah, benchmark!
05:21.49brlcadankesh11: you can't/don't .. the compiled tool needs to somehow have it recorded at compile-time
05:23.55brlcadankesh11: note that while run.sh might be able to read the cmake configuration, an installed version of brl-cad (where run.sh becomes "benchmark"), you have no such access to that information
05:24.01brlcadthe closest you have is brlcad-config
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06:16.02ankesh11brlcad: I created a bash script to get the compiler info(https://gist.github.com/ankeshanand/9542880). Now, what would be the right place to put it into the run.sh file? I am thinking just after collecting CPU information.
06:58.14ankesh11Okay, I think I have a patch ready, I will add support for CFLAGS and submit the patch this evening.
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07:27.48ankesh11Can anyone guide on submitting a patch?
07:28.10ankesh11I created a svn diff in my working directory
07:28.48ankesh11I think the next step is to submit it as an attachment here : http://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/patches/new/
07:29.31ankesh11But I can't understand the options to be set in Milestone, Status, Owner etc.
07:36.12ankesh11I figured it out.
07:36.28ankesh11brlcad: The patch is here https://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/patches/258/
07:40.10ankesh11brlcad: The run.sh file eventually becomes benchmark, and we have compiler info in the build-dir/CMakeFiles directory, which benchmark can access. So, I just used that.
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14:25.10brlcadhappy friday!
14:26.03brlcadankesh11: did you read what I wrote? :)  an installed version of the benchmark does not have access to the build system (and might not even be running on the same computer)
14:26.37brlcadah, I see you did reply to that point
14:26.56brlcadi'll take a look at your patch to see what you did ;)
14:28.20richaI am willing to fix some bugs of http://brlcad.org/wiki/User:Harman052/Proposal/WebInterface Where is the source code of this project?
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14:38.49brlcadricha: have you read http://brlcad.org/wiki/Online_Geometry and http://brlcad.org/wiki/Online_Geometry/TODO ?
14:40.39brlcadit's on github
14:41.06brlcadyou should get in touch with harmanpreet to see what would make a good simple patch
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14:44.02richabrlcad: Looking at the links, will try to get in touch with harmanpreet
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14:57.41brlcadharmanpreet: on that note, we're using github for web work, so I added you to our project page: github.com/BRL-CAD
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15:05.13richabrlcad: I cannot find the link to the source code of the above project
15:06.21richabrlcad: Its not there in the links which you gave me
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15:12.02brlcadricha: those links were to read about the background information (quite important)
15:12.08brlcadhi gaganjyot
15:12.26gaganjyothello brlcad
15:18.08gaganjyotbrlcad: I had a talk with ries and I guess we will add more stuff to be done during GSoC period
15:18.40gaganjyotI will be submitting code for the copy also by today
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15:28.24andreiHello
15:29.44harmanpr1ethi richa!
15:30.12harmanpr1etCode of OGV is here: https://github.com/harman052/geometry_viewer/
15:30.27harmanpr1etnick harmanpreet
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15:31.41harmanpr1etto work on current implementation or submit patch for OGV, read: https://github.com/harman052/geometry_viewer/wiki/Todo-List
15:33.11d_rossberghi andrei
15:36.12ishwerdasharmanpr1et: How much browser support are we aiming at for OGV ?
15:37.05andreid_rossberg : what do you think about the geometry kernel and gsoc?
15:37.25andreiI'm not talking about all of it, obviously, but the idea
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15:37.54gaganjyotbrlcad: ping
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15:38.28brlcadgaganjyot: just a bit
15:38.41d_rossbergthere is not such a big difference between "gemetric kernel" and "core interface"; they are very much the same
15:39.31d_rossbergthe rename/movement could be done before the coding phase starts
15:40.16andreiI'm not sure how the 'community bonding soon' period should be handled
15:40.56andreibut, yeah, since I do have commit access and some BRL-CAD knowledge, I think I could do that part during the first phase
15:41.23d_rossbergi could do it by myself too ;)
15:41.42harmanpr1etishwerdas: Mainly focus is on modern browsers, but it would be good if ThreeJS could support their older versions.
15:41.43andreihowever, you mentioned 'independent of brlcad'. coreInterface is relying on /usr/bin/brlcad-x.y.z/include aswell
15:43.34d_rossberg"independent" means independent from a BRL-CAD installation, i.e. you have a libgeometrykernel.so which contains all what's needed (or almost ...)
15:43.48d_rossbergsimilar to the brlcad.dll
15:44.47andreiSo, then, while the transition takes place before coding phase, during code phase I need to figure out which primitives to implement
15:44.49d_rossbergthere is an SDK where you can program on it whithout any other dependencies
15:45.05d_rossbergin general: yes
15:45.18andreimy main concern(based on my previous experience) is to be able to switch between tasks
15:45.33andreiso I don't get into the situation of not being able to do anything
15:45.55andreii.e having an "easy"  and a more advanced primitive implementation periods overlapping
15:46.14andreiso if I get stuck with something at the more complicated one and there's no one available on IRC/I can't get it fixed
15:46.20andreiI shift to the easier one
15:47.38andreiI was looking, for example, at bspline(librt/primitives) and it seems complicated
15:47.45andreior at least complex
15:48.45andreiis there a priority in the primitives implementation? Aside of hrt(I'll take care of it this weekend, probably), which others do you consider relatively simple?
15:50.07d_rossbergfrom my experience: the hard part is the design of the interface class, i.e. understanding how the primitive works and to present it in an easy to understand way
15:50.57d_rossbergmy first priorities are bot and pipe
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15:51.56andrei(I haven't checked if it's implemented) could pipe be a superclass of rcc, for example?
15:52.05andreior they have to inherit only object
15:52.07d_rossbergfor the patch a "test" would be nice
15:52.28andreia test for the hrt?
15:52.41d_rossbergpipe only inherits object
15:53.05d_rossbergno, a test for what is already there
15:53.24andreiI've submitted a test for Ellipsoid a couple of days ago
15:53.30d_rossbergsee your patch thread on sourceforge
15:53.34andreioh
15:53.42d_rossbergyes, i commented it there
15:54.03andreioh, sorry
15:54.03ishwerdasmaths22: what happened to http://beta.brlcad.org/wiki/Main_Page ?
15:54.08andreiI'll check now
15:54.19ankesh11brlcad: Sorry about that, I totally misunderstood your point, and drifted in a wrong direction. So, if I understand correctly, an install version of BRL-CAD may not have access to CMake dumps or the build-directory might not be present?
15:54.54d_rossbergthe hrt primitive is something where we could practise designing an interface
15:56.48d_rossberghas to leave now
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16:03.12brlcadgaganjyot: pong
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16:03.59brlcadricha: do you have access to a Mac?
16:04.37brlcador Windows
16:04.45kspitaleHi ! I would like to know more about the project General Tree Walker.
16:04.53brlcadkspitale: welcome :)
16:04.57brlcadwhat would you like to know?
16:05.55kspitalebrlcad: I read the details on the page for this project. Apart from C,C++ what else am I supposed to know ?
16:07.49brlcadkspitale: the general tree walker does not involve C++
16:08.34brlcadthat's way too broad of a question .. you need to know english, you need to know how to use your thumbs, how to turn on a computer... ask something specific
16:09.01brlcadwhat do YOU think you'll need to know, or what do you NOT know if you were to get started today
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16:10.35brlcadandrei: do not implement bspline -- that's a deprecated primitive (or will be soon)
16:11.18andreiI was just pointing out it seems massive, do you have  a point of view on primitives prioritization
16:11.23andreiaside of what d_rossberg mentioned?
16:11.49brlcadwell his priorities are bot and pipe, so I'd start there ;)
16:12.03gaganjyotbrlcad: I was saying
16:12.09brlcadmaybe start by understanding what those two are and how to create one manually
16:12.17gaganjyotthat I will submit code for copy too by today
16:12.29brlcadgaganjyot: yep, saw that
16:12.38brlcadand you're expanding your proposal (good)
16:12.39gaganjyotoh alright :)
16:13.02brlcadit's rare that we have to tell people to add more work, so you're doing a good job ;)
16:13.46brlcadankesh11: the build directory will definitely not be present
16:14.01gaganjyotbrlcad: thanks :)
16:14.26brlcadankesh11: you can test this yourself, build and install brl-cad, then cd /tmp and run the "benchmark" tool
16:16.07kspitaleHow do I get started ? How do I set up the code on my machine ?
16:21.20gaganjyotbrlcad: I will be soon posting the proposal.
16:21.43gaganjyotActually I and ries are discussing what more to be added
16:21.57gaganjyotexpected to post it till 16th :)
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16:22.44richabrlcad: I have access to windows
16:25.08brlcadgaganjyot: okay -- there's no reason to wait really, as you can keep updating it, it'll be "officially submitted" if anything happens (your computer catches fire), and we don't really evaluate them until after the deadline
16:26.23gaganjyotbrlcad: well in that case I'd be posting by tomorrow :)
16:26.49gaganjyottoday I will write the description part
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16:32.14brlcadricha: there was a bug with the OGV in Safari where geometry wouldn't display -- you could see if you can reproduce the bug with Safari on Windows and if you can, fix it
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16:48.13brlcadkspitale: where did you go?
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16:50.57kspitalebrlcad: May I know what will the deisgn of the interface be like and on what platform it will be developed ?
16:53.09harman052brlcad: Have you checked the OGV project pages: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Online_Geometry_Viewer_Back-end and http://brlcad.org/wiki/Online_Geometry_Viewer_Interface?
16:53.38harman052I recently added content to both of them.
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16:57.36ishwerdasharman052: where to submit patch for OGV ?
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16:59.52harman052ishwerdas: all patches should go to sourceforge.
17:00.07ishwerdasthanks!
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17:02.57ankesh11brlcad: Tried it, and it all makes sense now. The installed version would generally be installed in /usr/brlcad/ (root installation) and it wouldn't have access to the build dir from there.
17:03.40brlcadkspitale: the design will like however you make it (working with us for feedback) and developed on whatever platform you want to use (but will be portable)
17:03.52brlcadharman052: yes, I did
17:04.15harman052So I hope they are OK.
17:04.18brlcada patch can also be a pull request for code on github
17:04.42ankesh11I grep-ed the installation folder, and there is no compiler info there. Any alternative approach?
17:04.59brlcadankesh11: that is the problem
17:05.37brlcadi.e., that is the problem to be figured out
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17:06.03brlcadyou need rt or a lib or some other tool to report the information about how it was compiled
17:06.27todor_nikolovcan you help me find adaptagrams library
17:06.37brlcadthen you make the benchmark suite obtain that info and write it to the log
17:06.50brlcadin all, this is like 20 lines of code, but you have to figure out where/how ;)
17:07.08brlcadmany possible ways to make that work
17:07.14starseekerhttp://www.adaptagrams.org/
17:07.23brlcadtodor_nikolov: heh, you mean do a web search for you?
17:07.40brlcadcertainly you must be joking
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17:11.15brlcadtodor_nikolov: how's the proposal coming along?
17:11.56todor_nikolovslow, had internet outage and chose to spend my time reading
17:12.10todor_nikolovls
17:12.16hsraiHarman052 Move your code to https://github.com/orgs/BRL-CAD and then patches can at GitHub. Ishwerdas can note it.
17:12.19todor_nikolovoops, thats for console :D
17:14.35brlcadI/O Error
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17:19.20raj12lnmhi all.
17:19.30harman052hsrai: done. :)
17:19.40raj12lnmhi javampire, brlcad and kanzure
17:22.41hsraiHarman: Impressive. Very prompt ;-)
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17:28.06hsraiThose who wish to work on OGV, may like to review web-based geometry viewer at https://github.com/OpenMDAO/pyV3D
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17:51.15todor_nikolovsweet, the build has been fixed
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18:58.12ankesh11brlcad: I am having a tough time figuring out the solution, and after going through a bit reading on topic, it's a general suggestion that  figuring out the compilation info from the binary is tricky and there isn't a standard solution for it.
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20:07.12ishwerdasharmanpreet: , harman052: where can I read details abouth "the mac bug" for OGV
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21:11.57mpictoris finally getting around to updating the STEPcode GSoC projects :/
21:13.10mpictorstarseeker: do you know why the AP242 parser is listed as easy? I suspect that it would be quite hard.
21:13.24starseekerdoesn't, actually
21:13.49mpictorI think it was listed that way last year, and I never changed it
21:14.39teepeeand it already got a student :)
21:14.52mpictoryes
21:15.55mpictorwish I'd updated that wiki page first, because I suspect vegantrex is looking for something less difficult
21:17.02mpictoralso, I doubt cstirk and I would be able to answer many questions about step-g/g-step
21:17.42mpictorI wonder if someone from brl-cad would be a better mentor for that project
21:18.18starseekermpictor: if you want to move that over to the BRL-CAD section that would be fine - I'd wondered myself
21:18.28mpictorok
21:18.52mpictorand it shouldn't be classified as easy, should it?
21:19.02starseekerpersonally I would say no
21:20.22mpictorisn't sure how many entities in ap214 have a similarly named analog in 242, so it could be quite hard IMO
21:20.29starseekersomeday needs to take those lists of AP entities and categorize them - metadata, various types of geometry, hierarchical structure objects, etc...
21:20.44mpictoryes
21:21.41mpictorwonders if it would be easier to do on the small schemas that APs are built from
21:21.53mpictorcan't think of the correct term for them
21:22.36starseekerso the larger exp files are built on smaller ones?
21:25.09mpictoryes, the low-level stuff in ap209/210/242 is mostly common - and when it is, it comes from smaller modules
21:25.36mpictorsometimes you'll see comments in the files that state "comes from <schema>"
21:26.26mpictorhttps://github.com/stepcode/stepcode/blob/master/data/ap214e3/AP214E3_2010.exp#L23
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21:27.40mpictorlook at line 49 and 135
21:27.56starseekerah - interesting!
21:28.35mpictorsometimes you'll see something like "xxx unused and omitted"
21:28.53mpictorI think each of those schemas has to do with one topic
21:30.05starseekerwonder what resources are availalbe for the smaller schemas
21:31.52mpictorIntegrated Resource is what I was thinking of, but that's one of several related terms apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_10303_Application_Modules
21:33.04starseekerhttp://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/express/step_irs/
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21:40.43starseekermpictor: do we have the step_irs exp files in stepcode?
21:41.55mpictorno
21:42.15starseekerwonder if they're worth adding...
21:42.32mpictornot sure how useful they are on their own, but it would be nice to have documentation
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21:42.50starseekerwas thinking they might be handy if you wanted to test a file for specific kinds of errors...
21:43.00starseekermight make for easier debugging, but not sure
21:43.04mpictoralso, I think they are express v2 which the parser isn't 100% compatible with
21:43.10starseekerah
21:45.38starseekerhuh - constraints  http://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/express/step_irs/html/schema.html#assembly_constraint_schema
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21:48.19starseekerprobably worth adding to the constraints page:  http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=822720
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21:58.51mpictornist has some useful stuff, but I wish it was easier to find
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