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| 01:17.25 | *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD || http://brlcad.org || logs: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23brlcad/ || Congrats to all GCI 2014 winners Peter & Marc! || Congratulations to our 12 GSoC students! || Don't ask if someone is here, just ask your questions and wait for a response. ;-) |
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| 08:54.17 | andrei_il | Hi ! I am currently reading perplex README.txt in order to understand better how to configure the CSG importer scanner. |
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| 09:14.56 | dracarys983 | d_rossberg: I am planning to implement the centroid and surface area functionalities today as well as their caller functions in C++ interface. |
| 09:15.13 | dracarys983 | So that when svn is up I can start testing them without delay |
| 09:16.04 | dracarys983 | d_rossberg: Should I send you my present implementation for volume and the Volume() function patch in a mail? -- so that you can review it ASAP. |
| 09:18.31 | dracarys983 | brlcad: I'd need help in the view manipulation as I said in my mail. I'll be up here, so we can discuss whenever possible. :) |
| 09:25.57 | d_rossberg | dracarys983: sending the patch in a mail would be good, the mailing lists should work again; but is the patch tracker still broken too? |
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| 10:10.40 | ``Erik | history of computing at BRL mentioned on hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9937598 |
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| 10:38.31 | dracarys983 | d_rossberg: No, I guess the patch tracker is working. I'll submit one there then? |
| 10:39.57 | d_rossberg | yes, using the patch tracker is better |
| 10:41.45 | dracarys983 | d_rossberg: Okay. |
| 10:43.09 | dracarys983 | One thing, I have to implement arbitrary view support in my implementations as Sean also mentioned that it should be possible to leverage gqa or rtweight's functionalities using the new implementation. |
| 10:43.33 | dracarys983 | So that'll be the immediate target once I implement the basic ones I guess. |
| 10:43.38 | dracarys983 | Do you have any other plans? |
| 10:46.55 | dracarys983 | d_rossberg: Also, should I submit the patch with the change of code I did to test it using analyze? |
| 11:11.41 | d_rossberg | yes, for completeness you should add the analyze part too |
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| 12:06.44 | dracarys983 | d_rossberg: I'll submit the rt^3 changes later after testing, once svn is up. :) |
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| 13:15.19 | starseeker | aaaand svn is still down |
| 13:16.21 | Izakey | yes starseeker |
| 13:17.02 | Izakey | wonders how much development time this will cost |
| 13:20.43 | ``Erik | you can develop without svn... |
| 13:21.01 | Izakey | Definitely ``Erik , |
| 13:21.47 | ``Erik | one way would be to tar up the latest unmodified svn checkout you have, then for each 'commit' you want to do, extract it out, cp files before you edit them, then create patches. When svn comes up, apply the patch (fixing as necessary) and commit. |
| 13:22.28 | ``Erik | (or just keep coding and piss people off with one huge mega-commit) |
| 13:23.05 | Izakey | prefers the latter ``Erik |
| 13:24.34 | ``Erik | preferring to piss people off? :D |
| 13:27.24 | ``Erik | if you have the bandwidth and hdd space, you could grab the git clone at http://brlcad.org/brlcad.git (or @brlcad.org:/usr/web/brlcad.org/brlcad.git) and work with that, then create the right patches out of that to apply to svn when it comes back *shrug* |
| 13:29.19 | Izakey | tried cloning the other day but my bandwidth didn't permit |
| 13:31.27 | ``Erik | if you have an acct on the server, you could always do your work on it? |
| 13:31.53 | ``Erik | *shrug* there're ways to continue making progress :) |
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| 14:07.10 | brlcad | thanks to everyone for responding as requested |
| 14:07.34 | brlcad | andrei_il: working on that status summary? |
| 14:09.08 | brlcad | dracarys983: that is not exactly what I was suggesting -- I don't want to end up with 3 generic ways for calculating volume |
| 14:10.01 | brlcad | the solution may be to replace your implementation with rtweight or gqa's so the question is whether you've made that easy or difficult ;) |
| 14:12.08 | brlcad | Izakey: if we were OpenBSD, they voluntarily halt development like this once or twice a year (during releases) :D |
| 14:12.30 | brlcad | slight exaggeration ;) |
| 14:15.49 | Izakey | Ok, brlcad |
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| 14:36.35 | andrei_il | brlcad: not yet, I just read some documentation to find some answers |
| 14:36.58 | andrei_il | I will update my logs now |
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| 15:46.18 | dracarys983 | brlcad: Oh. Right. I'll have to improve the basic implementations anyways. Can you help me with the view manipulation in my present code? You can refer to my latest patch for that : https://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/patches/385/#8616 |
| 15:47.28 | dracarys983 | Actually my main concern is whether using a method like rtweight does (do_ae()) would be a good idea or something else. |
| 15:53.13 | sofat | brlcad, I have done my stylesheet work so now I add this stylesheet in building system ? |
| 15:53.48 | sofat | means I need to create new micro for this ? |
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| 16:00.22 | brlcad | dracarys983: the ultimate algorithm for calculating mass and surface area will almost certainly center around quasi-random spherical sampling convergence with adaptive refinement |
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| 16:00.57 | brlcad | that's a GSoC project in itself, which is why daniel suggested focusing on just doing what rtweight does or migrating gqa code (lower risk) |
| 16:01.28 | brlcad | lets you focus on your task at hand, and when the better algorithm is eventually implemented, users will just get more accurate results |
| 16:02.47 | dracarys983 | brlcad: Okay, agreed. I can focus on the spherical convergence algo once I'm done with the basic gqa/rtweight style generic method. |
| 16:02.51 | brlcad | dracarys983: as for your patch, I suggest you actually match what rtweight is doing as closely as possible, so when you're done rtweight could be updated to call your libanalyze function and there should be no change to the user |
| 16:03.04 | gurwinder | brlcad: Hi, as you know I'm working on elliptical torus. Torus is working correctly but I'm not able to use its C and D minor and major axis in my macro |
| 16:03.37 | brlcad | or if you're already doing a gqa-style grid-aligned approach that you mimick gqa as closely as possible, so it could be updated to libanalyze |
| 16:03.57 | dracarys983 | brlcad: Okay, awesome :) |
| 16:04.21 | brlcad | sofat: url example? |
| 16:04.31 | gurwinder | brlcad: Torus's normal center are working well and it elliptical torus just as in brlcad. |
| 16:04.43 | dracarys983 | I although do want to try to implement the arbitrary view manipulation in my gqa-style implementation like rtweight. |
| 16:05.19 | brlcad | gurwinder: does povray have support for elliptical tori? |
| 16:05.38 | brlcad | or surface of revolution where we can revolve an ellipse |
| 16:05.57 | brlcad | or sweep surface where an ellipse can be swept in a circle |
| 16:06.13 | brlcad | if not, then I'm not sure what you're working on :) |
| 16:06.25 | sofat | for style sheet or web view of presentation output ? |
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| 16:06.46 | dracarys983 | brlcad: So, I'm trying to figure that part out since some time now. Can you give me some pointers for that? :) |
| 16:06.56 | brlcad | dracarys983: I'm sure you do, but remember that the only way this code will survive is if it can fully replace what is in rtweight or gqa |
| 16:07.18 | brlcad | and even then, it may be short-lived once someone implements spherical sampling |
| 16:08.08 | brlcad | dracarys983: you have exact code ... I'm not sure I understand |
| 16:08.24 | brlcad | sofat: web view |
| 16:10.09 | brlcad | dracarys983: you can't lose sight of the bigger picture for your project given you're behind schedule, you don't have time to explore methods of calculating mass/weight -- this should not be approached as an implementation exercise |
| 16:10.13 | brlcad | it's already implemented |
| 16:10.17 | sofat | i am not merge this part with web site now because I am doing some experiments on output looks |
| 16:10.36 | brlcad | sofat: okay, that's fine .. still like to see work in progress |
| 16:11.05 | sofat | are you want to see my stylesheet ? |
| 16:11.15 | sofat | its ready now |
| 16:11.18 | brlcad | dracarys983: so you should use the existing code (as is, as much as possible), so you can focus on exposing the calculations in rt^3 and libanalyze, etc |
| 16:11.29 | brlcad | sofat: you already showed me the stylesheet yesterday |
| 16:11.35 | sofat | yes |
| 16:11.38 | brlcad | a stylesheet is useless without seeing the result |
| 16:11.43 | sofat | okay |
| 16:11.46 | brlcad | it's just a bunch of text :) |
| 16:11.54 | brlcad | I trust you have more text ;) |
| 16:12.15 | sofat | haha :- ( |
| 16:13.14 | dracarys983 | brlcad: Okay. So, this implementation works for now? It has got the way gqa calculates volume. Just that tolerance estimation and gridSpacing / gridSpacingLimit estimation is a bit modified. |
| 16:13.16 | brlcad | I know it's hard work and good progress, but there's nothing I'm going to understand without actually running the stylesheet and seeing the output :) |
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| 16:13.38 | brlcad | dracarys983: modified how? |
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| 16:14.20 | sofat | hmm i will show you after 2 hour. |
| 16:14.29 | dracarys983 | For gridSpacing / gridSpacingLimit estimation I have calculated the max_span in the present view and then divided it by a defined factor. |
| 16:15.05 | gurwinder | brlcad: Yes, they support elliptical torus but for that I have to use function. |
| 16:15.13 | dracarys983 | And I have kept the refinement limit at 7 times right now. |
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| 16:16.33 | dracarys983 | For tolerance estimation, the factor in gqa is 1000 I guess. I have kept it at 2500, because according to my grid setup, 2500 works better. |
| 16:17.01 | gurwinder | brlcad: Here is f_torus function http://www.econym.demon.co.uk/isotut/variable.htm |
| 16:17.02 | brlcad | gurwinder: source? |
| 16:17.20 | gurwinder | in last of it |
| 16:18.23 | brlcad | hm, so that's interesting but concerning that they say the result is merely "similar" to an elliptical torus |
| 16:19.26 | brlcad | indeed that rendered example could very well not be one |
| 16:20.18 | gurwinder | brlcad: Ok, |
| 16:20.32 | gurwinder | brlcad: here is another method http://wiki.povray.org/content/Reference:Polynomial |
| 16:20.51 | gurwinder | but it doesn't gave result similar to f-torus function |
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| 16:25.42 | brlcad | gurwinder: hm, that might work ... eto are described with a quartic equation |
| 16:26.02 | brlcad | but figuring out the mapping could get tricky |
| 16:26.18 | brlcad | another possibility, looking at their documentation, is a surface of revolution |
| 16:26.41 | brlcad | that will definitely work too |
| 16:26.48 | brlcad | BUT... |
| 16:27.05 | brlcad | why are you working on ETO? :) |
| 16:27.26 | gurwinder | brlcad: Oh ok, I will put my full effort on it |
| 16:27.32 | brlcad | you were working on eto two months ago |
| 16:27.59 | brlcad | you haven't gotten it by now and it's not anywhere near as important as several other object types |
| 16:28.24 | brlcad | so you're putting in less than full effort? :) |
| 16:28.32 | brlcad | that's a terrible expression :) |
| 16:28.47 | gurwinder | brlcad: No that was just torus if I remember correclty |
| 16:29.18 | gurwinder | brlcad: Is there any priority of primitives so that I out my efforts in right direction |
| 16:30.01 | gurwinder | I'm just taking primitives randomly and exporting them |
| 16:31.02 | brlcad | gurwinder: make a list of them all and indicate which ones are complete, partial, or not yet |
| 16:31.46 | brlcad | on that list, I can more easily indicate their priorities |
| 16:32.20 | gurwinder | brlcad: the primitives that I have exported before mid term even before getting selected iin GSoC are complete and working properly |
| 16:32.35 | gurwinder | OK, I will make a list and show you. |
| 16:32.38 | brlcad | :) |
| 16:33.48 | Izakey_ | gurwinder, You could just list the ones you already having working til now (to avoid any confusion) |
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| 16:34.23 | gurwinder | Izakey_: Hi, Ok |
| 16:35.46 | brlcad | this can be a text file or on the wiki, e.g., http://brlcad.org/wiki/Povray where you can summarize import/export support information |
| 16:36.50 | Izakey_ | brlcad++ |
| 16:37.37 | Izakey_ | So gurwinder you know what you have to do, could take you less than 20 minutes :) |
| 16:37.49 | gurwinder | brlcad: is this a page where I should write about my primitives? |
| 16:38.23 | Izakey_ | gurwinder, Just a short report of the primitives which you've exported already |
| 16:39.56 | gurwinder | Izakey_:Ok |
| 16:42.56 | gurwinder | Izakey_: How to edit in it? |
| 16:43.46 | Izakey_ | Just the way you created your GSoC proposal page gurwinder - the same way you update your logs :) |
| 16:45.29 | gurwinder | Izakey_: On google log page there is edit option but there is no option to edit |
| 16:51.14 | brlcad | gurwinder: nice visual overview of povray entities if you have not seen it yet: http://www.f-lohmueller.de/pov_tut/all_shapes/shapes100e.htm |
| 16:52.12 | brlcad | gurwinder: what are the menu options... |
| 16:52.22 | brlcad | Page ... Discussion ... |
| 16:53.09 | gurwinder | brlcad: Yes I'm taking reference of that povray entities page. |
| 16:53.26 | gurwinder | brlcad: yes there are two options page and discussion |
| 16:55.39 | gurwinder | brlcad: two links, search for this page title, search the related logs |
| 16:59.57 | bhollister2 | starseeker: i'm here for our 10AM PST mtg. however, i need to bring my car into the garage once again for an air bag recall. not sure how long that will take. still working to get vertex labels working for nmg edit mode. |
| 17:01.00 | Izakey_ | gurwinder, that report needs to be on the BRL-CAD website |
| 17:03.07 | gurwinder | Izakey_: Yes, I'm writing primitives on seperat text file and will upload on brlcad website |
| 17:05.09 | Izakey_ | gurwinder, Look at a page like http://brlcad.org/wiki/BRL-CAD_Primitives - Just need a little Introduction and then the POV-RAY exported primitives in bullet formats |
| 17:08.04 | gurwinder | Izakey_: Great example. Thanks |
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| 17:16.27 | brlcad | gurwinder: perhaps you are not logged in |
| 17:18.19 | brlcad | gurwinder: also see http://brlcad.org/gallery/diagrams/primitives for a visual to go with the short name labels ... it's not a complete list of object types |
| 17:19.14 | vasc | svn.code.sf.net is slow as molasses but up. seems like they are working on it. |
| 17:20.31 | brlcad | vasc: thanks |
| 17:21.13 | vasc | i couldn't update svn yet though |
| 17:21.48 | gurwinder | brlcad: oK |
| 17:22.05 | gurwinder | yes, I'm creating new account on it |
| 17:25.58 | brlcad | gurwinder: what? how have you been updating your dev log? |
| 17:27.44 | brlcad | gurwinder: ah, I see you have done most of your edits anonymously .. this is not good |
| 17:27.54 | gurwinder | brlcad: I just went to http://brlcad.org/w/index.php?title=User:Gurwinder_Singh/GSoc15/log_development |
| 17:27.57 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Gsbains123 * 0 /wiki/User:Gsbains123: |
| 17:27.58 | brlcad | please don't create another account, log in with the account you created |
| 17:28.09 | brlcad | *sigh* |
| 17:29.09 | gurwinder | ok, sorry I forget my username thats why I'm getting user name error. and I thought that I haven't created yet |
| 17:29.34 | brlcad | look at the log on your page |
| 17:29.37 | brlcad | History |
| 17:30.01 | brlcad | heck, even your user link on http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2015 has it |
| 17:33.19 | Izakey_ | People tend to forget usernames and passwords which they don |
| 17:33.33 | Izakey_ | s/don/don't use ofter |
| 17:33.49 | Izakey_ | s/ofter/often |
| 17:35.19 | brlcad | this is true |
| 17:35.57 | brlcad | but that's also in their hands, not anyone else, and can be easily managed |
| 17:36.00 | brlcad | keeps a ledger |
| 17:36.53 | Stragus | Some U.S. government contractor registration thingy (CMR or so) has some absurd password requirements |
| 17:37.17 | Stragus | Like >16 characters long, at least 4 numbers, at least 4 special characters, mix of lower and capital case |
| 17:37.47 | brlcad | it's been that way for many years, all federal systems adhere to a standard policy |
| 17:38.02 | brlcad | you also have to change it every NN days (which I think is 45?) |
| 17:38.04 | Stragus | Well, I remember all my password except *that* one |
| 17:38.08 | Stragus | passwords* |
| 17:38.40 | Stragus | Right, it's terrible |
| 17:38.50 | Izakey_ | I now understand why you need a ledger brlcad |
| 17:39.55 | brlcad | I would completely understand forgetting a wiki password, maybe even forgetting that one had created an account... except that wiki account creation is part of our gsoc checklist, and pretty much everyone puts there dev log there |
| 17:40.36 | brlcad | it's fine, life will certainly go on ;) |
| 17:40.51 | brlcad | probably lunchcranky |
| 17:41.28 | brlcad | goes to slurp some ramyun |
| 17:41.42 | Izakey_ | Forgetting your wiki username is weird |
| 17:57.41 | vasc | when i forget the password i just go to the saved passwords dialog in firefox and see what was the password i used |
| 17:57.55 | vasc | i just save the passwords there |
| 17:58.10 | vasc | anyone can get them but i could care less. it's my computer. |
| 18:17.47 | vasc | most passwords i use are really weak |
| 18:17.58 | vasc | i only bother using strong passwords on the really important stuff |
| 18:18.52 | vasc | like tqbfjotl |
| 18:20.21 | vasc | most sysadmins i knew just generate a random password and write it down in a piece of paper |
| 18:21.11 | ``Erik | pwgen -s |
| 18:22.17 | ``Erik | piece of paper is horrible, though... encrypted file seems better to me (something like 1password if you want it automagic) |
| 18:49.18 | ih8sum3r | ``Erik: I'm getting this error : http://brlcad.org/w/images/d/d8/Meteor_freeBSD_libm.so.6_error.png when run this command PORT=3000 MONGO_URL="mongodb://localhost:27017/myappdb" node bundle/main.js. I searched and found run make install in /usr/ports/misc/compat6x I did but getting same error again and again any idea what to do? |
| 19:15.07 | ``Erik | well, the error form the ports dir thing is probably a permission error, lemme look at some stuff |
| 19:15.30 | ``Erik | where did you get the node binary? is that system? |
| 19:16.25 | ``Erik | oh, this isn't on bz |
| 19:17.23 | ``Erik | there's really no good reason for you to need compat6x... that's there to run binaries compiled against freebsd 6 |
| 19:18.07 | ``Erik | I'd think recompile the bcrypt npm module |
| 19:18.53 | ``Erik | huh, fbsd's libm is currently at 5... are you running an old linux executable on fbsd? :D |
| 19:19.09 | ``Erik | is now confused |
| 19:19.30 | ih8sum3r | I created bundle for meteor and move that bundle to VM. From there it is getting node modules |
| 19:19.43 | ih8sum3r | I'm following this tutorial : http://grigio.org/meteorjs_freebsd_11_current/ |
| 19:20.09 | ``Erik | what os/version did you create the bundle on, and what's running in the vm? |
| 19:20.44 | ih8sum3r | I created bundle on Ubuntu 14.04 and in VM I have freebsd 10.1 |
| 19:20.56 | ``Erik | (also; fbsd11 is -current, stable is 10) |
| 19:21.51 | ``Erik | so you're making an executable for linux and trying to run it on fbsd? |
| 19:23.01 | ``Erik | maybe fire up the vm and try to build the bundle/executable/libs inside of it? |
| 19:23.10 | ih8sum3r | Yes, what I have read according to that it is doing something like that only. |
| 19:24.12 | brlcad | ``Erik: who said anything about paper? |
| 19:24.36 | ih8sum3r | I found only this tutorial to install meteor on freebsd. I have also asked on IRC and meteor forums but didn't get any response about freebsd and meteor :( |
| 19:24.47 | ``Erik | brlcad: vasc did, in the line that starts "most sysadmins i knew" |
| 19:24.58 | brlcad | ahh, missed that |
| 19:25.08 | brlcad | thought you were referring to my ledger comment |
| 19:25.21 | brlcad | ledger == encrypted file == digital wallet |
| 19:25.26 | ``Erik | ih8sum3r: "here be dragons", you're in uncharted territory :) makes me glad I've found a reason not to use meteor every time I've done framework shopping ;) |
| 19:26.42 | ih8sum3r | I also tried to clone this and install it on freebsd : https://github.com/herrBeesch/meteor-freebsd. But this thing also produce same error i.e : This OS is not supported yet. |
| 19:26.46 | ``Erik | brlcad: I use scrypt, vim and scrub... there's that spot of insecure memory while editing, but *shrug* |
| 19:27.39 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: I want to dicuss a little about OGV can you please spare a little time for me. |
| 19:27.49 | ih8sum3r | s / dicuss / discuss |
| 19:27.52 | ``Erik | ih8sum3r: since meteor on fbsd is such a ... challenging combination, and the server is fbsd, is it worth reconsidering using meteor? |
| 19:27.53 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: if you created the bundle on linux, then you need to also copy over the linux libs it was linked against (libm.so.6) |
| 19:28.41 | brlcad | given someone got it working on fbsd 11, it's certainly doable |
| 19:29.18 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: "This OS is not supported yet." is not a stopping point -- you're in developer land |
| 19:29.30 | brlcad | you find where that message is coming from and you modify the code to bypass it |
| 19:29.44 | vasc | i hate those kinds of messages |
| 19:29.48 | brlcad | that's a user stopping point |
| 19:29.52 | brlcad | you're not a user |
| 19:30.01 | ``Erik | puny mortals |
| 19:30.52 | vasc | you should complain about lack of necessary capabilities not that you didn't test it with the OS that the user is using |
| 19:31.02 | vasc | or browser or whatever |
| 19:31.26 | vasc | at worse it should be a warning not a fatal error. |
| 19:31.40 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: I can create bundle only where meteor is installed because meteor bundle xyz will create bundle for app. freeBSD couldn't create meteor bundle because there is no meteor installed. |
| 19:32.01 | ``Erik | ya'll remember before autoconf got popular and it was "make -f Makefile.linux32" 'n stuff? :D those were dark days |
| 19:32.42 | vasc | yeah i know. i used to work on a MUD codebase that was like that |
| 19:32.52 | ``Erik | "meteor bundle" is probably just calling npm... which is supported |
| 19:33.08 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Okay I'll tried to bypass that thing. |
| 19:33.29 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: are you using virtualbox? |
| 19:33.32 | vasc | it also did silly things like include system function declarations for SunOS because quite often SunOS did not come with includes |
| 19:33.41 | ``Erik | vasc: mud weenies... I admin'd a linux box in the mid 90's that some friend of the owner put a circle mud on, then they started asking me C questions.. what a horrible codebase :D |
| 19:33.48 | vasc | so you had system function declarations inside the app code |
| 19:33.52 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Yes |
| 19:34.14 | vasc | well i ran a mud derived on merc mud |
| 19:34.20 | vasc | it was reasonably well written |
| 19:34.28 | vasc | actually it was quite well written |
| 19:34.40 | vasc | except for little things like that |
| 19:34.58 | ``Erik | I've never looked at (or heard of) merc... circle and diku were the two big ones :) |
| 19:35.01 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: then I suggest a different approach altogether |
| 19:35.14 | vasc | if you think the circle mud codebase was bad you should look at the SillyMUD codebase |
| 19:35.17 | ``Erik | (then I started hacking together even uglier C to make a mud client... 'bmud') |
| 19:35.36 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Like? |
| 19:35.37 | brlcad | set up a new disk image, install ubuntu and whatever else you need, and get the site set up |
| 19:35.44 | vasc | back then we used tinyfugue i think |
| 19:36.05 | brlcad | we can run that vbox image on .bz and see how responsive it is |
| 19:36.27 | brlcad | also has the added benefit of clean sandboxing |
| 19:36.33 | ``Erik | tinyfugue was nice, I wanted to use gtk+/gnome *shrug* :) https://github.com/erikg/bmud |
| 19:37.13 | vasc | oh an automapper. kewl. |
| 19:37.44 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: just make sure your web root is neatly organized and well documented in the VM |
| 19:37.59 | brlcad | so we can later move it to fbsd when we upgrade to 11 |
| 19:38.13 | vasc | https://github.com/vcosta/greedmud |
| 19:38.25 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: do you understand? |
| 19:38.38 | sofat | brlcad, hello |
| 19:38.42 | sofat | there is link |
| 19:38.42 | vasc | i learned more about C working on that in the college classes |
| 19:38.46 | sofat | 202.164.53.122/wordpress/articles/en/about.php |
| 19:38.55 | sofat | please check |
| 19:39.03 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Yah approx. let me read it one more time. |
| 19:39.49 | ih8sum3r | Okay okay understand :). |
| 19:40.15 | ``Erik | C in college classes? I thought they quit that 20 years ago O:-) yeah, college lessons are fine for touching on basics, but a real project definitely pushes you |
| 19:40.27 | ih8sum3r | For this I'm going to use ubuntu 14.04. Is that okay to you? |
| 19:40.45 | brlcad | sofat: looking good |
| 19:40.57 | sofat | thanks |
| 19:41.01 | brlcad | sofat: is this mid-progress or do you think you're done with everything? |
| 19:41.03 | starseeker | here's the sf latest: http://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-infrastructure-and-service-restoration-update-for-724/ |
| 19:41.14 | vasc | they thought us C in 2 hours of lab classes |
| 19:41.21 | vasc | basically we had to learn it ourselves. |
| 19:41.31 | vasc | taught |
| 19:41.31 | brlcad | sofat: because I still see Spainsh and Spainish which are wrong :) |
| 19:41.44 | sofat | ohh |
| 19:42.07 | vasc | well i did enter college like 20 years ago. |
| 19:42.23 | brlcad | haha, "has completed 22 letters, 4 remain" |
| 19:42.33 | brlcad | so 'b'rlcad is definitely in one of those 4 then :) |
| 19:42.36 | ``Erik | spanglish? |
| 19:42.53 | vasc | i think they start with scheme as their first language now |
| 19:42.55 | brlcad | sofat: it's "Spanish" |
| 19:42.59 | vasc | used to be pascal when i started |
| 19:43.22 | brlcad | and really, all of the itemized languages should be written in their native language :) |
| 19:43.31 | brlcad | Español |
| 19:43.35 | ``Erik | mit switched from scheme to python for intro a few years back, caused a bit of a stir in the lithp communities |
| 19:44.06 | vasc | Espanhol |
| 19:44.17 | brlcad | sofat: now when I select on of the google translations, it gives a dialog saying "Error: Could not find Google translate frame." |
| 19:44.42 | sofat | re fresh page then try |
| 19:45.04 | vasc | you can get that from wikipedia |
| 19:45.21 | vasc | https://www.wikipedia.org/ |
| 19:45.28 | brlcad | sofat: refreshed, still error |
| 19:45.31 | ``Erik | æ¥æ¬èª |
| 19:45.39 | ``Erik | terminal doesn't like kanji :( |
| 19:45.56 | vasc | i can read it fine in xchat |
| 19:46.23 | ``Erik | woops, terminal likes it fine, ssh/tmux/irssi doesn't like it |
| 19:46.28 | sofat | but on my side its working |
| 19:46.44 | vasc | some apps don't like utf-8 still |
| 19:47.02 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: I have doubt in this "also has the added benefit of clean sandboxing". Can you please it. |
| 19:47.04 | vasc | irc clients were quite bad at it |
| 19:48.42 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: yes it's okay -- it really doesn't matter which OS just as long as you keep it really simple and only install what you need (i.e., you probably shouldn't install X11 or any GUI) -- which is probably just apache, meteor, mongodb, php, python, and a shell environment |
| 19:48.48 | sofat | brlcad, it is working on chrome and firefox my side |
| 19:48.55 | sofat | without any error |
| 19:49.08 | vasc | http://weechat.org/ |
| 19:49.34 | vasc | that one's supposedly good |
| 19:50.27 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Ah! I see, Okay I'm on it. |
| 19:51.31 | brlcad | sofat: I'm not sure what to tell you ... it's not working here and it looks like that error message is from code you used from the web, not code you wrote yourself, so you have to debug it |
| 19:52.43 | brlcad | searching the web, I see "Error: Could not find Google translate frame" is from snippets on how to use this -- you need to evaluate every line to make sure you understand how the code would get to that condition |
| 19:53.47 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: as for "also has the added benefit of clean sandboxing" is merely to say that this web service will be running in a VM, which is a sandbox -- it's an enclosed environment |
| 19:53.57 | ``Erik | ah, it got accepted :) https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/realm-status-for-world-warcraft/id960414524?ls=1&mt=8 |
| 19:54.07 | brlcad | so if there's a security vulnerability in OGV, for example, it doesn't put the rest of the server at risk if running from a VM |
| 19:54.23 | brlcad | it'll just be slightly slower than if running native |
| 19:55.03 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh, congrats! |
| 19:55.07 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Sorry for silly question so I need to install ubuntu server 14.04 on VM for testing? This one: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server. Please pardon. |
| 19:55.49 | ``Erik | also; mother-effer, competing app was approved while mine was in the queue! beaten to the punch O.o |
| 19:57.02 | ih8sum3r | Okay I'll check that sandboxing thing will make sure that everything goes in a perfect way. |
| 19:57.28 | ``Erik | thanks, brlcad :) |
| 19:57.32 | vasc | never programmed anything in objective c. i tried it in the 90s but i couldn't wrap my head around that method call syntax |
| 19:57.44 | brlcad | ih8sum3r: that looks like it's probably right |
| 19:58.33 | ``Erik | vasc: it's easy, [obj method:arg]; instead of obj.method(arg); |
| 19:58.53 | ``Erik | swift has a more java smelling syntax |
| 19:59.25 | ih8sum3r | brlcad: Okay, I'll start downloading and will report you asap. |
| 19:59.37 | vasc | i remember it getting weirder in some cases |
| 19:59.57 | vasc | well whatever. it can't be worse than ML |
| 20:00.26 | vasc | i had to program in caml light at one point |
| 20:01.01 | ``Erik | heh, objc does have some weird invocations... [obj meth1:arg meth2: meth3:arg1, arg2, arg3] type stuff... what do ya expect, it's related to smalltalk (and sml/ocaml) |
| 20:01.47 | vasc | puke |
| 20:01.54 | vasc | i hate ml |
| 20:02.53 | vasc | so you basically can chain method invocations in the same call? |
| 20:03.17 | vasc | seems really message passing oriented |
| 20:08.57 | Stragus | ``Erik, what would that mean in C? |
| 20:09.10 | Stragus | never learned objc, just seemed weird and pointless |
| 20:10.04 | Stragus | meth1( obj, arg, meth2( obj, meth3( obj, arg1, arg2, arg3 ) ); ? |
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| 20:15.01 | vasc | i remember hearing all these wonderful things about NeXTSTEP so i actually tried learning Objective C at one point. then i gave up. i thought it wasn't bound to have much impact. until i heard about steve jobs getting back to Apple. |
| 20:15.25 | vasc | well i would have never guessed it would spread so far |
| 20:29.08 | *** join/#brlcad sofat_ (~sofat@202.164.45.204) |
| 20:30.38 | vasc | i did know that apple was basically safe when i heard they were gonna switch from macos to nextstep (later macos x) though |
| 20:31.01 | vasc | shame i was never into investing.... |
| 21:07.23 | brlcad | nifty http://www.degraeve.com/color-palette/ |
| 21:07.57 | sofat_ | brlcad, i did some change please check one time more . |
| 21:09.18 | brlcad | sofat_: .... still Spainsh |
| 21:09.31 | brlcad | all the lessons ... http://202.164.53.122/wordpress/lessons/en/mged01_creating_primitive_shapes.php |
| 21:09.47 | brlcad | and I still get the Google Translate error |
| 21:10.55 | vasc | https://color.adobe.com |
| 21:11.14 | vasc | it also has 'create from image' |
| 21:11.20 | vasc | you can upload your own image |
| 21:11.32 | vasc | and it generates a palette from it |
| 21:12.08 | brlcad | you also still need to fix the two errors that were in the screenshot (style.css:432 and the brlcad.css 404) |
| 21:14.02 | brlcad | yeah, pretty cool too .. hadn't seen that |
| 21:15.58 | brlcad | sofat: other errors are base.css:248 (invalid property at '*'), style.css:432 (extra ;), foundation.min.css:1 (invalid css property decl at '*'), and brlcad.css missing at wordpress/css/brlcad.css |
| 21:16.12 | vasc | i saw a site some time back which said the palettes in fashion for the season but i don't remember where it was |
| 21:19.11 | brlcad | also translateelement.css:2 |
| 21:23.39 | brlcad | sofat: please recheck all of the issues itemized in the last two e-mails - I still see several of them and it's wasting time for me to keep looking when some items are clearly not fixed yet |
| 21:24.12 | brlcad | if you don't understand an item, ask what was meant if you don't see what needs to be fixed or improved |
| 21:29.33 | brlcad | the progress is good, but there are several little issues like getting google translate working ... it was working in your first version, so maybe look at what you've changed since then |
| 21:30.06 | sofat_ | me , konrado and vasc check this |
| 21:30.14 | sofat_ | he told me all is working |
| 21:30.42 | sofat_ | brlcad, but I don't know what is problem your side |
| 21:32.03 | vasc | it works here... |
| 21:32.36 | vasc | google translate |
| 21:33.07 | ih8sum3r | working on my side too |
| 21:33.08 | vasc | firefox |
| 21:35.16 | konrado | sorry for the misdirection sofat_, now I get the error with google chrome. |
| 21:35.35 | sofat_ | but is error |
| 21:35.36 | sofat_ | ? |
| 21:35.46 | konrado | but I had no error with firefox |
| 21:38.32 | konrado | Error say "The page at 202.164.53.122 says: Error: Could not find Google translate frame." |
| 21:38.54 | sofat_ | refresh and try again |
| 21:38.59 | vasc | i have no problems with chrome either. it asks me if i want to keep translating that page and i just ignore that dialog. |
| 21:39.09 | sofat_ | may be slow internet problem |
| 21:39.44 | sofat_ | i am also tested on chrome |
| 21:43.35 | konrado | Ok it now works for me on chrome. |
| 21:43.54 | sofat_ | brlcad, please tell me what i do ? |
| 21:44.31 | vasc | just figure out when that error happens and just return the untranslated page in case of error |
| 21:44.42 | sofat_ | ok |
| 21:45.21 | vasc | the "Could not find Google translate frame." error |
| 21:47.15 | sofat_ | hmm |
| 21:48.43 | sofat_ | so now need to change this error. if any problem came then page reload without any changes |
| 21:49.04 | vasc | it's my opinion |
| 21:49.19 | vasc | it's better to give the user something other than just an error |
| 21:49.33 | sofat_ | haha. |
| 21:49.51 | vasc | for all i know google translate or google services could be banned on someone's corporate network |
| 21:49.53 | vasc | or something |
| 22:27.38 | ``Erik | Stragus: nothing. by the time you got C to do it, it wouldn't be C anymore... :D |
| 22:28.19 | ``Erik | vasc: yes, objc is message oriented (very smalltalky) |
| 22:31.41 | Stragus | ``Erik, so what would that mean in assembly? :p I don't really believe it can't be expressed in C |
| 22:33.49 | vasc | i think its just: |
| 22:34.13 | vasc | obj.meth1(arg).meth2().meth3(arg1, arg2, arg3) |
| 22:34.56 | vasc | assuming the methods return the object... |
| 22:35.12 | Stragus | Uh. |
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| 22:35.34 | vasc | or obj.meth1(arg);obj.meth2();obj.meth3(arg1, arg2, arg3); |
| 22:35.34 | Stragus | So, meth1( obj, arg ), meth2( obj ), meth3( arg1, arg2, arg3 ); |
| 22:35.39 | vasc | yeah that |
| 22:35.40 | Stragus | Right |
| 22:36.05 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Gsbains123 * 0 /wiki/User:Gsbains123: |
| 22:36.29 | Stragus | claims we have demonstrated here today that Obj-C is useless |
| 22:36.31 | vasc | you have an object and you do RPC calls on them |
| 22:37.05 | vasc | well it makes sense if you are using remote calls |
| 22:37.33 | vasc | coz you can bundle calls together in the same message packet |
| 22:38.00 | vasc | if you aren't it seems useless |
| 22:39.10 | Stragus | Remote calls?... That's an Obj-C compiler feature or these calls are just sent over the network? |
| 22:39.53 | Stragus | Because the C comma operator also performs the 3 function calls independently as a single statement |
| 22:41.00 | vasc | you can do message passing inside a machine too |
| 22:41.04 | vasc | its just a paradigm |
| 22:44.11 | *** join/#brlcad sofat (~androirc@202.164.45.204) |
| 22:44.49 | vasc | i said it in the context of RPC because, at least to me, it makes the point of using a construct like that more obvious |
| 23:08.41 | Notify | 03BRL-CAD Wiki:Konrado DJ * 9083 /wiki/User:Konrado_DJ/GSoc2015/logs: /* 24 JULY 2015 */ |
| 23:14.15 | *** join/#brlcad KimK (~Kim__@ip68-102-188-176.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 23:22.30 | vasc | https://xkcd.com/1506/ |
| 23:22.34 | vasc | :-D |
| 23:29.07 | brlcad | sofat: I told you what you could do -- you had translate working when you first added google translate ... then you changed it to this drop-down menu and it stopped working. so you can compare what the differences are. |
| 23:30.59 | brlcad | sofat: either way, you have to debug the problem. asking others if it works for them is not debugging. saying it works for you is not debugging. I provided the error message and that is a message from your code, so you should inspect and try to find the cause of the error. |
| 23:34.29 | brlcad | ignoring the error is will result in unexpected behavior. the message should be more user-oriented like "Automatic translation is currently unavailable." but this should only display when Google is down. |
| 23:36.51 | vasc | since he can't reproduce the bug himself his only alternative is to desk-check his code... |
| 23:39.14 | brlcad | sofat: to help with debugging, let me know what google address you're using for the translation service and I can try ruling out it being a cookie issue |
| 23:40.03 | brlcad | vasc: or write it himself so he understands what it's doing -- he's using a snippet he pulled from stackoverflow |
| 23:40.59 | brlcad | he had/has a version where it was working, so he should be able to compare and find the differences |
