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| 18:56.01 | brlcad | sniok: if you have at least a half hour availability, it would be good to talk about the website some |
| 18:56.18 | sniok | Yeah, sure |
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| 18:57.22 | brlcad | how much time do you have? |
| 18:58.00 | sniok | About 30-40 minutes |
| 18:58.44 | brlcad | okay, so we'll keep it snappy :) |
| 18:59.25 | brlcad | did you make any progress on updating the 3d logo or seeing if one of the gci tasks completed it? |
| 19:01.04 | sniok | Yes, I'm still developing and tweaking logo |
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| 19:01.49 | sniok | I wrote about it on blog over here https://blog.esde.name/logo-tweaks/ and here https://blog.esde.name/more-logos/ |
| 19:06.06 | brlcad | so what I'm seeing... basically you didn't, you half-disregarded it and did something else :) |
| 19:10.14 | sniok | Yeah, but my main concern is logo that will go in website, and I don't think that rendering and getting image from 3d model is worth it |
| 19:10.49 | brlcad | logo design is something that is obviously highly subjective |
| 19:12.54 | brlcad | but also directly pertains to the identity of a project, so we can't just ignore important discussion points like this |
| 19:13.58 | brlcad | completely understand that there will be design points that you may disagree with and your artistic inputs are an important part of the project |
| 19:14.08 | brlcad | but there will be disagreements, and how we resolve them will be through discussion |
| 19:15.31 | sniok | I don't change logo radically, I'm just making tweaks to current version. I understand importance of this question and thats why I'm trying to make it as good as possible |
| 19:16.51 | sniok | When I'll make my final version we will definitely discuss it |
| 19:16.54 | brlcad | appreciate you trying to make it as good as possible |
| 19:17.17 | brlcad | but this is also not something that you'd be expected to get right by yourself |
| 19:17.31 | brlcad | so you get your "final version" and it has some critical issue, then what? ;) |
| 19:18.04 | brlcad | you're done, you spent X days working on it, but we can't use it because "requirements" weren't discussed or adhered to |
| 19:18.34 | brlcad | I'd think that'd either be very frustrating to you, or even disheartening |
| 19:20.20 | sniok | Ok, I got where are you heading. I should get some input before doing task |
| 19:21.15 | brlcad | before, during, after .. it's as much about communication as it is the technical work, sometimes more important than the work itself |
| 19:22.57 | brlcad | for this specific issue of the logo, from my perspective you're essentially building a vector version which is great/needed |
| 19:23.44 | brlcad | the only issue is a point made in my original response, that having a 3D version is not just nice to have |
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| 19:24.17 | brlcad | that doesn't meant that the resultant image has to be rendered, but the silhoette very much should |
| 19:25.44 | brlcad | it's a reflection of the project, and we're a 3D solid modeling precise engineering system ... it's essential that our logo exist as a precise 3D solid model and that any imagery is derived from that canonical form |
| 19:27.26 | brlcad | that doesn't mean you have to work on the logo, especially if you don't want to or see why it's worth it -- there's plenty of other work I'm sure we'll easily agree on |
| 19:29.00 | brlcad | have you tried overlaying your new version over the current rendered version? |
| 19:30.15 | sniok | Not yet but I will do it |
| 19:31.06 | brlcad | more importantly, if the last GCI version that supposedly fixed the pin ratio is correct and matches your version, then this could be a good workable version, but that's something that will need to be checked |
| 19:31.53 | brlcad | however, didn't really intend to talk about the logo ... we have bigger items to discuss :) |
| 19:32.27 | brlcad | I'm hoping we get on the same page in terms of the marketing aspects of our website design that you are not necessarily privy |
| 19:33.13 | sniok | What kind of marketing aspects? |
| 19:33.21 | brlcad | for one, it's highly desirable (for MANY reasons political, social, and technical) that we leverage as much completed GCI work as possible |
| 19:33.52 | brlcad | so you really should become as intimately familiar with what was done under GCI as possible if you haven't already |
| 19:34.21 | brlcad | your work is in there too and quality is all over the board, but there are specific elements that need to be incorporated |
| 19:34.58 | brlcad | maybe not as fun as doing everything yourself, but I cannot stress how essential this will be once coding is under way |
| 19:36.08 | sniok | yeah that sounds reasonable |
| 19:36.27 | brlcad | you'll also need to be prepared to work on the web repo, to submit pull requests there for integration and review as we want your work to go live as soon as it's checked and working adequately |
| 19:36.56 | brlcad | how good is your javascript? |
| 19:37.05 | brlcad | worked with jquery? |
| 19:37.40 | sniok | yes, pretty decent |
| 19:37.44 | brlcad | cool |
| 19:39.20 | brlcad | you mention docs in your project plan |
| 19:39.34 | brlcad | have you had a chance to look into the work from last year? |
| 19:41.03 | sniok | that beta.brlcad.org/w/ site? |
| 19:42.08 | brlcad | no, the docs project |
| 19:42.30 | brlcad | the website has three main needs: 1) same theme/style used across main page, wiki, gallery, etc, 2) get documentation online and syncing automatically, and 3) a stronger call to participation |
| 19:42.46 | brlcad | last year's project was http://brlcad.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2015#Synchronize_Wiki_with_Docbook |
| 19:42.52 | brlcad | that plays right into #2 |
| 19:43.33 | brlcad | that's probably a couple weeks worth of work at a minimum, but mostly styling work, maybe some coding on the search interface |
| 19:45.51 | brlcad | stylistically, there's a good bit of freedom, but I don't want us to look like our proprietary counterparts at all ...that's a firm requirement... :) |
| 19:47.20 | brlcad | clean and modern, but doing things (however insignificant) that they are not |
| 19:47.22 | brlcad | fun, cheeky, inviting |
| 19:47.28 | brlcad | make sense? :) |
| 19:48.08 | sniok | yeah |
| 19:50.26 | brlcad | did you have any questions? |
| 19:52.36 | brlcad | and please,please, lets continue the discussion later up if you have concerns or don't believe something is worth it because this needs to be an ongoing dialog with mutual understanding |
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| 19:53.36 | sniok | I don't get how docs work |
| 19:54.08 | sniok | I mean that past year project |
| 19:54.31 | sniok | Where is web interface to Docbook |
| 19:55.54 | sniok | Ok, I'll look more into that project and eventually I'll figure out |
| 19:57.12 | brlcad | last year's project is not online --- there's just code |
| 19:57.24 | brlcad | that's why it's important to get it online :) |
| 19:57.35 | brlcad | why its #2 priority-wise |
| 19:58.29 | brlcad | our docbook sources live in the svn repo, one of our build targets produces the website files |
| 20:00.04 | sniok | And yes, I'll try to discuss every aspect of project as much as possible |
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