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03:30.54drewbonowps: have you seen this article before?
03:30.55drewbonohttp://www.geeklog.net/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=32
03:31.10drewbonoIt shows you how you can allow additional tags in geeklog.
03:31.36drewbonoIt's been buggin me that I can't have things open in a new window from the webpage.
03:32.58drewbonoIs your server up and running yet?
03:34.26wpsvery nice... thanks for showing me that
03:34.39wpsI knew that GL had the ability to allow certain tags, but have never looked into it
03:34.57wpsthere are definitely some adjustments that I want to make
03:34.59drewbonoI thought you might want to offer a few more tags in UPHPU.
03:35.05wpsfor sure
03:35.10wpsthe server is mostly done
03:35.17drewbonoFeel free to change the BYUMUG's too.
03:35.34drewbonoso I finally got the video from your presentation. :-)
03:36.05wpsI need to configure mailman, squirrelmail, and sendmail, but can't do that (and be able to test it) until it's online (at the data center)
03:36.15drewbonoTrue...
03:36.26drewbonoYou can copy the .conf files over from your current box though, can't you?
03:36.26wpsgood news about "being online" though... I spoke with the owner of UVNet, a data center in Orem
03:36.29wpstoday
03:36.36wpsyes, should be able to copy much over
03:36.59wpshe is quite fond of PHP (just became an official php.net mirror) and is therefore excited to sponsor UPHPU
03:37.06drewbonoSweet!
03:37.10wpshe is going to provide rack space and bandwidth for free
03:37.13drewbonoAre you going to go with him?
03:37.17wpsI am
03:37.25drewbonoSounds like a longer-term solution.
03:37.32wpsexactly
03:37.44drewbonoWhat kinda pipe does he have?
03:37.48wpshe is actually the second person to offer, as you know, but this data center sounds much more rebust and long term
03:38.33drewbonoI think it's so cool that you're doing all of this out of your own pocket.
03:38.43drewbonoVery impressive.
03:38.48wpsthanks... I appreciate you saying that
03:38.55wpsI feel that many UPHPUers don't
03:38.55drewbononp...
03:39.00drewbonoReally?
03:39.02wpsnot that I care that much... I am glad to do it
03:39.21drewbonoHow much in donations so far?
03:39.25wpsbut I feel that a log of people don't realize what we get for free
03:39.34wpslike Apache? PHP?
03:39.40wpsI want to donate to those projects
03:40.03drewbonoThat's the coolest thing though--you don't care if it's appreciated or not.
03:40.06drewbonoYou just want to do it.
03:40.08wps$75 (including the $20 from the requests back in September)
03:40.11wpsyup :)
03:40.16wpshttp://www.uvnet.net/
03:40.26drewbonoOf course, it's always nice to be appreciated.
03:40.32wpsdinner
03:40.33drewbonoI totally agree with you about giving back.
03:40.34wpstime
03:40.37wpsback in a jiff
03:40.41drewbonocool.
03:40.53drewbonosay hi to Ivana.
03:57.27wpsshe says "hi back"
04:00.21wpshttp://www.uvnet.net/networkStatistics.do?pid=9
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04:02.12wpsshe says "hi back"
04:02.13wpshttp://www.uvnet.net/networkStatistics.do?pid=9
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04:19.23drewbonoIt's not loading for me...
04:19.39drewbonoOoops.  There it goes.
04:25.56drewbonoYeah, I guess that will do for uPHPu. ;-)
04:26.10wpsyeah
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21:51.43drewbonoHey wps...
21:51.48wpshey
21:51.51drewbonocan you send me the copy of Data Rescue as well?
21:51.56drewbonoI didn't know BYU had a license.
21:51.58drewbonoThat's cool.
21:52.09drewbonoAre there any caveats?
21:52.42wpsnot that I am aware of
21:53.04wpsI recovered a girl's USB keychain that had crashed
21:53.13drewbonothat's awesome.
21:53.15drewbonoWorks well then?
21:53.20wpsalright
21:53.23wpsI've only used it that once
21:54.37drewbonoI just iSighted with my parents in new zealand.
21:54.40drewbonoSo cool.
21:54.49wpswow, that is cool
21:55.11drewbonoThe coolest part is that after we had chatted for a bit, my with her PC wanted to try to set up her PC with Skype.
21:55.15drewbonoSo we tried to get it working.
21:55.31drewbonoBut no matter what she tried she couldn't get her microphone to work on her PC laptop.
21:55.40drewbonoThat's why I love Apple.
21:55.54wps:)
21:56.07drewbonoEven my dad (probably _the_ most computer illiterate person I know) could use iChat.
21:57.34wpsso, when you compose ActionScript in an external editor, you don't get all of the coad-complete and hints, right? or is there an external editor that does that?
21:58.11drewbonoSubEthaEdit highlights it, but doesn't auto-complete.
21:58.36drewbonoI don't know of any auto-complete editors for ActionScript
21:58.42drewbono(on the Mac)
21:59.50drewbonohttp://voisen.org/archives/2004/01/creating_the_ul.php
22:00.59drewbonoMaybe this will do it: http://vaporswf.sourceforge.net/
22:02.31wpsI actually have not needed more than the built-in editor thus far
22:02.38wpsbut was just curious
22:02.50drewbonohttp://www.sephiroth.it/python/sepy.php
22:02.55drewbonothere's another one
22:10.52drewbonoAight...
22:10.54drewbonowhat's up with this?
22:11.18drewbonoI have an external 160GB drive (152 formatted), and when I get info on it, it says that is 150GB worth of data on it.
22:11.30drewbonoBut if I select everything in it, and get info, it says it's only 74GB worth.
22:11.47wps#flash is stupid... they never say ANYTHING! I have been in there at all hours of the day and nothing every happens in there. Why do people log into a channel if they are never going to say anything.
22:11.49drewbonothere are no invisible files on it (checked via the terminal)
22:11.51drewbonoWhat's up wih that?
22:12.07drewbonowps: yeah, a lot of channels are like that.
22:12.12wpshmm... Get Info is never accurate though
22:12.17wpsI am not sure why, but it never is
22:12.36drewbonobut if I try to copy something over that's 3Gb, it says there isn't enough space.
22:12.47wpshmm... weird
22:12.51drewbonoYeah.
22:12.52drewbonoVery.
22:12.57drewbonoI wonder if I partitioned it funny.
22:13.23wpswhat does the terminal say that the file size is?
22:13.26drewbonoNope, just Apple's.
22:13.35drewbonoTerminal shows the same info as the finder.
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22:28.04wpsI hate "tease you" marketing
22:28.27wpswhere they give you just enough for free to hook you and then hold back the remainder until you pay
22:28.44wpsI just read part one of a flash article, but the part I need is in part 2, which is $5
22:28.50wps:)
22:37.20drewbonohehe
22:37.20drewbonoAre you brushing up on your flash skillz?
22:37.22drewbonoFor the interview on Mon?
22:37.50wpsno, trying to fix this dumb image viewer that I made for the athlete site that I am trying to finish
22:38.29wpsI have been trying to get this stupid script that parses an XML file to work for about ten straight hours now
22:42.41wpswell, it's actually not the parsing part that isn't working; it's the stuffing some elements into an array that doesn't work
22:44.56drewbonoBummer.
22:45.08drewbonoIs it specific elements, or random ones?
22:45.20wpsyou know how in PHP, you can iterate through an array and then stuff each into another?
22:45.23wpslike...
22:45.36wpsforeach($array as $key => $value)
22:45.38wps{
22:45.48wps$new_array[$key'] = $value;
22:45.48wps}
22:45.49wps...?
22:45.57wpswell, that doesn't work in AS
22:46.18wpsthe whole...
22:46.23wpsarray[i]
22:46.26wps...but doesn't work
22:46.30wpshaving the key be dynamic
22:48.14drewbonoThat doesn't work in Flash?
22:48.23wpsit HAS to be possible
22:48.27wpsbut I can't get it to work
22:49.14wpsAS also has a 'push' function, similar to PHP's 'array_push', but that doesn't work either
22:49.22drewbonoHmmm...
22:49.26drewbonocan you do it w/o arrays?
22:49.47wpsnot really, because this entire thing needs to be completely dynamic
22:49.57wpsso I need to be able to pull items from an array with a dynamic key
22:50.29wpscorrection: I guess functions are called 'methods' in AS
22:50.51drewbonoYou mean the array size has to be dynamic, right?
22:51.20wpsyes
22:51.35drewbonoisn't there any sort of array.size() call in flash?
22:51.55wpsand I need to be able to dynamically pluck elements from various parts of the array at various times
22:52.03wpsyes, array.length, but that doesn't return anything either
22:52.06wps:(
22:52.16drewbonoWhat?
22:52.19drewbonoThat's weird.
22:52.31wpsI don't understand why nothing works
22:52.48wpsI read about it in the help, in my manual, online... and most things don't work
22:52.58wpsincredibly frustrating
22:53.08wpsand one-heck-of-a waste of time
22:54.54drewbonoshow me the code that doesn't work?
22:55.42wpshttp://pastebin.com/238228
22:55.49wpsignore the PHP tags (obviously)
22:55.58wpspastebin adds those
22:56.54wpslines 13 and 14 should do the same thing... take each element of the array "image_lables_array" and put them in the array "image_labels"
22:57.00wpsbut neither work
22:57.28wpsI know that the array "image_labels_array" is good because when I trace out each element (line 16), I see what I need
22:59.29drewbonoDo you have to declare image_labels as an array?
22:59.48wpsyes, it's done earlier in the script
22:59.51wpssorry, didn't include it
23:00.00drewbononp
23:00.02wps/ image labels
23:00.03wpsvar image_labels:Array = new Array();
23:00.10drewbonoMan, I have a friend who I know could solve it, but he's not online.
23:00.20wpsdang... I really need help
23:01.01drewbonoDid you ask in #utah already?
23:01.16wpsno
23:01.24wpsthey don't really like questions like that though
23:01.30drewbonolol
23:01.35drewbonoYeah...they like the geeky ones.
23:02.04wpslike how do I reprogram my washing machine to be a firewall?
23:02.20drewbonolol
23:02.27drewbonoYeah, I think I saw that on there the other week. :-)
23:02.57drewbonoSo you know you're reading the image_labels_array correctly, right?
23:03.07wpsyes
23:03.36wpsor, if you have been following PLUG's mailing list the past week... Utah culture, religion, and who-the-heck else knows
23:03.40drewbonoimages_labels.push(image_labels_array[i].firstChild);
23:03.43wpstalk about off-topic
23:03.44drewbonoShould that be image_labels.push
23:03.47drewbono?
23:04.28wpsyes, good eye on the typo
23:04.54drewbonoDoes that fix it?
23:05.05wpsnope
23:06.00drewbonoso when you trace(image_labels[i]); what do you get?
23:06.34wpsundefined
23:06.40wpsundefined
23:06.41wpsetc...
23:06.50drewbonoEven after you fix the typo?
23:06.55wpsyup
23:06.57wpsbut...
23:06.59drewbonoHmmm...
23:06.59wpstrace(image_labels_array[i].firstChild)
23:07.15wpsspits out all of the text from between the nodes correctly, so I know that it's in there
23:07.26wpsI just can't get it stuffed into "image_labels"
23:07.37wpsdoesn't make any sense
23:07.42drewbonotry assigning (image_labels_array[i].firstChild) to the image_labels array statically to see if it works.
23:07.53drewbonoThen you'll know it's a problem with the push.
23:08.16drewbonoOh...looks like you tried that.
23:08.22drewbono(first commented line)
23:08.28wpsyup
23:08.35drewbonotry populating it with someone else then...like the number 1.
23:08.36wpswhat's really retarded, is that this doesn't work either:
23:08.39drewbonoand see if you can read that back out.
23:09.28wpshttp://pastebin.com/238230
23:10.58wpsokay, check this out:
23:10.59wpshttp://pastebin.com/238232
23:11.08wpsthat doesn't work either!
23:11.39wpsthat is so whacked that line 18 works, but 16 and 17 don't!
23:12.26drewbonoimage_labels[1] ="toad";
23:12.31drewbonotry that.
23:17.33wpsnothing
23:17.39wpsstill just returns "undefined"
23:18.32drewbonotry defining it again inside of that area, instead of above.
23:18.42drewbonoDefine inside the 'for'
23:19.12wpsgood idea
23:20.43wpsstill now work
23:20.48drewbononot.
23:20.52wpsstill no work
23:20.52drewbono?
23:20.53wpshttp://pastebin.com/238238
23:20.58drewbonoHow in the world....
23:21.02drewbonoThat's impossible.
23:21.29wpsno kidding!
23:21.33drewbonoare you sure it's getting down that far?
23:21.44drewbonodoes it show you the line number with the error?
23:22.22drewbonovar image_labels:Array = new Array("toad", "bird", "dog");
23:22.28drewbonoTry that (just for fun.
23:23.40wpsfun?!
23:23.42wps:)
23:23.45wpsnope, still nothing
23:23.50drewbonoYeah, fun. :-)
23:24.01drewbonoThere's something else going on here then...
23:24.07drewbonoCuz that's pretty much impossible, isn't it?
23:24.13wpsI think so
23:24.22drewbonoYou declare it on one line, and trace it in the next...
23:25.29wpsokay...
23:25.33wpsI took just the code:
23:26.15wpsvar image_labels:Array = new Array("toad", "bird", "dog");
23:26.15wpsimage_labels[1] = "toad";
23:26.15wpstrace('> ' + image_labels[1]);
23:26.24wpsand put it in it's own FLA and ran it and it worked
23:26.37wpsthat means that there is something else messing things up
23:26.53wpsI am going to try and recreate just the loop portion in the new FLA... so that we have it isolated
23:27.57drewbonogood idea.
23:32.07drewbonowps:
23:32.15drewbonodo you have to change your for loop to look like this:
23:32.32drewbonofor (var i:Number = 0; i< image_labe....etc.
23:32.46wpsoh! good call!
23:32.50wpsthat's AS 2.0
23:32.58wpsstrict data type
23:35.09drewbonoso that's not needed?
23:35.34drewbonoIf it's not AS 2.0, then it's just: for (i=0; i < image...etc.
23:35.36drewbonoright?
23:35.42drewbono(without the 'int')
23:38.23wpsGOT IT!
23:38.33drewbonoSWEET!
23:38.41wpsnot in the real script, but in my isolated one! it worked with a dynamic key
23:38.52drewbonolemme see the code.
23:39.28wpsk... this works:
23:39.29wpshttp://pastebin.com/238248
23:39.39wpsnow I just need to get that implemented into the real thing
23:40.15drewbonoSo... the only thing that's different is that you aren't declaring 'i' as 'int', right?
23:40.48wpsnot exactly, but close
23:41.24wpsthe other's array is coming from the XML, so it's slightly different
23:42.57wpsman, I'd give my left nut for a "print_r" in AS
23:43.05drewbonolol
23:43.10drewbonoDon't tell Ivana that.
23:43.14drewbonoShe might still want kids.
23:43.31wpsI can still reproduce with one
23:43.59drewbonoI don't even want to know why you know that...
23:44.09wps:)
23:46.05wpsokay, two biggest Flash IDE pet peeves:
23:46.11wps1. ctrl + tab doesn't do jack
23:47.22wps2. whenever I switch back to the app with cmd + tab, I get the beach-ball of death for a few seconds before I can do anything... every time
23:47.23drewbonoMy dad is so funny!
23:47.28wpsyeah?
23:47.44drewbonoI just iChatted (with text, not video) him.
23:47.48drewbonoIt was his very first one ever.
23:48.04wpsfirst time IM-ing?
23:48.07wpsha ha
23:48.15drewbonoAnd he wasn't sure how to end the conversation (he had to go to church--weird eh?), so he wrote, "Love, Dad"
23:48.16wpswhat does he do for a living?
23:48.27wps:)
23:48.32drewbonoHe's a prof at BYU.
23:48.37wpsah, yes
23:48.38wpsI knew that
23:48.39drewbonoElementary Education.
23:48.49wpstell him the standard is: "peace out"
23:48.53drewbonohehe
23:49.07drewbonoI'll have to wean him slowly...
23:49.14wpsyou begin with "word" and end with "peace out"
23:49.30drewbonolol
23:49.45wpsI have to FedEx my left leg to sjansen in #utah
23:50.08wps(he was looking at my action script too and that was his fee)
23:51.39drewbonoJust read it.
23:51.43drewbonosjansen is funny.

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