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| 17:07.01 | powermac | is everything working fine for the MUG discussion email list? |
| 17:07.37 | powermac | a message I posted this morning did not show up, hope it's not my pop/smtp |
| 17:08.15 | wps | I haven't noticed any issues |
| 17:08.17 | wps | drewbono: ? |
| 17:08.46 | drewbono | I saw it. |
| 17:08.50 | drewbono | Two of them, right? |
| 17:08.54 | drewbono | About the stuff for sale? |
| 17:26.52 | powermac | yeah, I only received one from last night. There may be problems on my pop account. |
| 17:27.05 | drewbono | Sounds like that may be the prob. |
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| 17:40.10 | feutetejsd | anyone have any experience with Skype? |
| 17:40.18 | powermac | I do |
| 17:40.33 | macnewbold | I've done some reading on Sykpe |
| 17:40.37 | macnewbold | never used it though |
| 17:40.41 | powermac | earlier version have echo problems |
| 17:41.13 | feutetejsd | are you aware of any issues with getting through firewalls or dealing with NAT? |
| 17:41.17 | powermac | newer ones does not echo but has bad lags |
| 17:41.32 | feutetejsd | bummer...any success with alternatives? |
| 17:41.35 | powermac | to clarify, I try to talk to my parents in China |
| 17:42.13 | powermac | They hear my voice 5-7 seconds after I said ti |
| 17:43.00 | powermac | it's clear, so if you would like to keep on giving a speech, it's fine, just delayed |
| 17:43.20 | feutetejsd | d'oh |
| 17:44.19 | powermac | really hard to carry a normal conversation, because you keeps on thinking the other side did not hear you so you repeat yourself then the other side hear it twice seconds after |
| 17:44.20 | macnewbold | but hey, it's cheap, and probably pretty easy to try :) |
| 17:44.41 | powermac | yeah it's free and easy to setup |
| 17:44.55 | feutetejsd | well, we're looking at talking to employees in our Dublin, Ireland office, so lag like that will be a big problem |
| 17:46.11 | powermac | I'm not aware of other alternatives that can do better |
| 17:47.11 | powermac | Skype is worth a try, depends on how the voice packages are routed, you may not have as bad a lag |
| 17:47.41 | powermac | but definitely expect a lag, it take time to compress and decompress voice packages |
| 17:48.13 | feutetejsd | we might give it a try, but we'll probably have to lay out the $$ to go with full-on VOIP in their office or something fun like that |
| 17:48.15 | macnewbold | does free world dialup have anything to offer? |
| 17:49.41 | powermac | VOIP is cheap and reliable, I have Vonage at home. If you want to go that route, I'll refer you so you can get free setup and one month service for free. |
| 17:50.45 | feutetejsd | I actually have another friend who has referred me to Vonage, and I'm seriously considering it.... |
| 17:50.59 | feutetejsd | can you transfer a landline phone number to Vonage? |
| 17:51.04 | macnewbold | yes |
| 17:51.29 | macnewbold | and just think... if your broadband internet is more reliable than your phone, you'll get a cheaper _and_ more reliable solution w/vonage |
| 17:51.43 | feutetejsd | cool...and what sort of setup do you have? do you have it in front of (or behind) a router? |
| 17:55.38 | drewbono | feutetejsd: I iSight with my parents in Australia. |
| 17:55.41 | powermac | behind a router, you will have an adapter that has one ethernet in and two phone lines out, Vonage gives you that adapter for free after rebate. Rebate requires you to keep Vonage service for 3 months |
| 17:55.47 | drewbono | There is a short lag, but nowhere near 5-7 seconds. |
| 17:55.57 | drewbono | Audio chat is fine. |
| 17:56.18 | feutetejsd | cool....powermac, is your phone quality as good as with a landline? |
| 17:56.19 | drewbono | I guess it depends a lot on your connection |
| 17:56.47 | powermac | I Skype with inlaws in Hawii and it's fine |
| 17:58.30 | powermac | Skype with clients in Hong Kong and Taiwan, bad lag too |
| 17:58.48 | powermac | Skype within the US has always worked fine for me |
| 17:59.07 | feutetejsd | interesting |
| 17:59.49 | powermac | wait, drew, your parents are in Australlia? Are they on a mission? |
| 18:01.38 | powermac | well, say hi to your father for me |
| 18:04.50 | macnewbold | yeah, overseas will depend a lot on how crowded the transoceanic links are... |
| 18:10.22 | drewbono | They in New Zealand actually. |
| 18:10.39 | powermac | so did your dad retire? |
| 18:10.40 | drewbono | powermac: How come you didn't tell anyone you were leaving? |
| 18:10.49 | drewbono | No, he's doing a study abroad over there for a semester. |
| 18:10.54 | powermac | leaving, where |
| 18:11.00 | drewbono | Leaving BYU. |
| 18:11.16 | powermac | oh, Joe knows |
| 18:11.23 | drewbono | He didn't until I told him. |
| 18:11.39 | drewbono | And I didn't know until some of your employees told me to get my name off of their IM list. :-) |
| 18:11.43 | powermac | He must forgot, I told him in Nov. |
| 18:11.57 | drewbono | He must have. |
| 18:12.04 | drewbono | Well, I was sad you were gone. |
| 18:12.05 | powermac | I'm still in Provo, working for MyFamily |
| 18:12.16 | drewbono | You're still more than welcome to be on the board. |
| 18:12.22 | drewbono | I thought you were doing your own consulting gig. |
| 18:12.30 | feutetejsd | hey--how long have you been at MyFamily, powermac? |
| 18:12.37 | powermac | I still do that on the side to help people out |
| 18:12.46 | powermac | just starting |
| 18:12.51 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 18:13.19 | powermac | I won't be doing IT or software dev. like in the past |
| 18:13.25 | powermac | I'll be a business person |
| 18:13.30 | feutetejsd | fun 4 u |
| 18:13.32 | feutetejsd | :D |
| 18:13.32 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 18:13.43 | drewbono | So what type of business exactly? |
| 18:15.04 | powermac | getting genealogy record from Asia countries, mainly china for now |
| 18:15.16 | powermac | all for a good cause |
| 18:15.31 | drewbono | Very nice. |
| 18:16.24 | powermac | I'm getting paid less than when I was an intern at Microsoft but I don't mind |
| 18:17.01 | drewbono | Hopefully more than at BYU though. |
| 18:17.08 | powermac | yes more than BYU |
| 18:17.40 | powermac | it was ranked the best place to work in Utah in 2004 |
| 18:17.58 | drewbono | I know a guy that works in the spam department ther.e |
| 18:18.07 | drewbono | His full-time job is writing programs to spam people. |
| 18:18.15 | macnewbold | MS interns get paid really well cause living expenses are so high, and cause that's the only way the evil empire can keep their positions staffed ;) |
| 18:19.07 | powermac | Yeah Uncle Bill really wanted me to go back to the dark side but I'm resisting |
| 18:19.23 | drewbono | What'd you do for the Man? |
| 18:20.17 | powermac | program management for a Mac product would be ideal |
| 18:20.31 | drewbono | I'd go do that. |
| 18:20.37 | drewbono | Did you work in the MacBU? |
| 18:20.42 | powermac | yes |
| 18:21.08 | powermac | why do you think I like Entourage so much? |
| 18:21.38 | powermac | I worked on IE 5, Outlook Express 5.2, and Entourage for OS9 |
| 18:21.54 | drewbono | Programming? |
| 18:22.26 | powermac | testing and wrote code and script to do automated tests |
| 18:25.16 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 18:25.31 | drewbono | So that means you can hook me up with an internship there, right? :-) |
| 18:26.30 | powermac | they don't take as many interns any more |
| 18:26.58 | powermac | but if you are good and pass the 3rd round interviews, you are in |
| 18:27.07 | drewbono | 3rd round?! |
| 18:27.08 | drewbono | Dang. |
| 18:27.13 | drewbono | They don't mess around. |
| 18:27.33 | powermac | let me tell you what to expect during the 3rd round |
| 18:28.16 | powermac | they will fly you to Redmond or Mountain View, pay for up to 4 days of hotel and site seeing |
| 18:28.39 | powermac | around $40 a day allowance for food |
| 18:29.24 | powermac | on the interview day, you will get questioned round after round, usually by 5 people |
| 18:30.00 | powermac | two would be your future team mates, 3 managers |
| 18:30.42 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 18:30.48 | drewbono | So you had to do all that? |
| 18:30.52 | powermac | at least one person specializing in coding and ask you to code a small procedure and explain it in 45 minutes or less |
| 18:31.28 | powermac | at least one person specializing in brain twister and test your logic |
| 18:34.46 | powermac | you do the math, each person take 45 minutes to an hour, with breaks in between, one of them will take you to lunch and still expect you to answer questions with food in your mouth. basically takes a whole day. You are pooped when the last person comes in to pick your brain, because you have been questioned all day, your brain is over loaded and probably over heating, it's 3 or 4pm and you are tired. But this last person is the most impo |
| 18:35.11 | drewbono | Yeah, that sounds like the work environment for me. :-) |
| 18:35.36 | feutetejsd | ick |
| 18:35.55 | powermac | I did it three time, for the money of course |
| 18:36.15 | drewbono | What way the pay (if you don't mind me asking)? |
| 18:36.28 | powermac | Even as a returning intern, they make me go through the torture each time |
| 18:38.14 | powermac | let's say, my first internship MS offered me 2-3 times as much as Intel and GE offered me. Each following internship I got close to $1000 raise per month. |
| 18:38.34 | feutetejsd | nice |
| 18:39.01 | drewbono | Were you just coming out of school, powermac? |
| 18:39.13 | drewbono | And what's was your major? |
| 18:39.16 | powermac | yes |
| 18:39.36 | powermac | CS and Linguistics double major |
| 18:40.08 | powermac | I've been working part time and going to school 3/4 time ish for 6 years |
| 18:47.57 | macnewbold | ouch... not fun. I did something like that too, but BS/MS in CS rather than a double major. |
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| 18:50.08 | powermac_ | later |
| 18:55.39 | feutetejsd | hmmmm: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050301/us_nm/people_gates_dc |
| 18:56.08 | feutetejsd | well, I guess he _has_ had an impact on business and enterprise.... |
| 18:56.11 | feutetejsd | but a knight? |
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| 20:15.38 | wps | what? |
| 20:15.45 | wps | knighthood? that's dumb |
| 20:16.00 | feutetejsd | yeah |
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| 22:00.22 | wps | drewbono: you see Bill's post about needing a monitor to boot? |
| 22:00.53 | wps | I guess I have never tried, but that seems strange that Mac OS would not boot if there was no display |
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| 22:04.50 | drewbono | it used to be that way |
| 22:05.10 | drewbono | In the olden days |
| 22:05.14 | drewbono | i thought they got away from that though |
| 22:05.46 | drewbono | In the past, you could just put a small adapter on the computer that fooled it into thinking it had a monitor on it. |
| 22:06.05 | drewbono | but that was before Apple switched to the standard 15-pin din monitor connection. |
| 22:07.08 | feutetejsd | do you guys know what model of Mac Bill is using? |
| 22:09.40 | wps | that's why I as surprised |
| 22:09.46 | wps | he said that it was a Mac Mini |
| 22:10.29 | feutetejsd | oh...I guess if I had read ALL of the words in his email, I would have seen that |
| 22:11.10 | feutetejsd | I'm a bit of a bonehead sometimes |
| 22:11.20 | drewbono | That stinks if the did that. |
| 22:11.27 | drewbono | Someone better make an adapter for it then. |
| 22:11.31 | drewbono | if they did that |
| 22:11.38 | drewbono | did you guys see my email about iTunes sharing? |
| 22:11.43 | wps | why would they do that though |
| 22:11.49 | wps | yeah, that's lame |
| 22:11.52 | drewbono | It's probably cheaper for them. |
| 22:12.15 | wps | I would be pissed if I bought a computer though and it wouldn't boot without a display |
| 22:12.34 | wps | sure, that doesn't happen very often but that's like a car who's engine won't start if the wheels are off |
| 22:12.41 | wps | I would return it |
| 22:13.30 | feutetejsd | I wonder if it would boot with the DVI->VGA adapter attached, but no monitor |
| 22:14.38 | macnewbold | maybe just attach a cable to it? |
| 22:14.41 | macnewbold | who knows |
| 22:15.05 | macnewbold | until they figure out a workaround, I guess that means no Mac Mini Cluster in my basement... |
| 22:15.51 | feutetejsd | I just saw a post on a newsgroup from a guy that said it *would* boot headless, but didn't say anything about how... |
| 22:17.55 | drewbono | Yeah, a quick google search says it should boot headless. |
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