| 00:06.02 | wps | you can always tell when James D. Wakely checks his mail (once every two weeks), as a handful of replies to threads from the past come in all at once :) |
| 00:06.12 | feutetejsd | LOL |
| 00:08.48 | wps | always makes me chuckle |
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| 02:49.03 | drewbono | What up everyone? |
| 02:49.09 | drewbono | Welcome Scott. |
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| 02:49.20 | drewbono | stuporglue: Welcome. |
| 02:49.21 | drewbono | :-) |
| 02:49.37 | stuporglue | well I'll be, so there is a# byumug |
| 02:49.44 | drewbono | We're everywhere... |
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| 03:20.03 | wps | anyone know what the "grouping" category is in iTunes meta data? |
| 03:28.35 | stuporglue | Grouping - see this thread: http://smartplaylists.com/comments.php?id=218_0_3_0_C |
| 03:28.44 | stuporglue | and this: http://smartplaylists.com/comments.php?id=204_0_1_0_C |
| 03:29.00 | stuporglue | Doesn't say *exactly* what for, but might point in the right direction |
| 03:33.22 | wps | thanks |
| 03:33.42 | wps | what about "part of a compilation" ? |
| 03:33.53 | wps | does that tie songs together? |
| 03:34.07 | stuporglue | No idea. Got that from Google |
| 03:34.19 | stuporglue | And I'm at a linux lab right now w/ no way to check |
| 03:34.42 | stuporglue | sorry |
| 03:35.36 | wps | no problem |
| 03:36.16 | drewbono | wps: I assume that part of a compilation means just that... |
| 03:36.34 | drewbono | so if a set has 7 discs, theyr'e all part of a compilation. |
| 03:36.44 | wps | k... but what does it do? |
| 03:38.29 | drewbono | I don't think it "does" anything. |
| 03:38.45 | drewbono | It just lets you add yet more metadata to your music. |
| 03:38.57 | drewbono | so you could make a playlist that only included tracks that were a part of a compilation |
| 03:39.23 | wps | ah... so that you got the entire thing |
| 03:39.25 | wps | that makes sense |
| 03:40.21 | drewbono | pure speculation on my part though. |
| 03:41.34 | drewbono | wps: this is what I was talking about earlier |
| 03:41.34 | drewbono | http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=963 |
| 03:42.24 | wps | yeah |
| 03:42.37 | wps | I was just saying that there is nothing special about it... that it was just a connector |
| 03:43.15 | wps | when the iPod photo was first released, I thought that there was some special device or software that made it possible to connect your camera and transfer image directly to the iPod |
| 03:43.26 | wps | really, all that the issue is is just connecting it |
| 03:43.33 | wps | so any adapter will work |
| 03:43.40 | stuporglue | assuming a supported camera |
| 03:43.45 | wps | true |
| 03:44.29 | drewbono | wps: so your camera cable has what kind of connections on it? |
| 03:45.23 | wps | for example, the bookstore already has some non-Apple connectors that would work... depending on what type of cable you have |
| 03:45.39 | wps | the reason that the one that Apple just released is nice is because it's female end is the standard USB |
| 03:45.48 | wps | (I actually just purchased Apple's new one today) |
| 03:46.32 | wps | most people's camera cables (including mine) are the tiny, funny-shaped USB male into the camera and then the normal, flat male at the other end |
| 03:46.54 | wps | the connectors at the bookstore are normal firewire and the small, firewire shapped USB |
| 03:47.03 | drewbono | So the Apple connector still requires you to have your camera's cable, right? |
| 03:47.12 | drewbono | It just gives the iPod a USB interface to connect to. |
| 03:47.19 | wps | exactly |
| 03:47.48 | wps | it'd be nice if the iPod just had a USB jack right in it |
| 03:47.57 | drewbono | iPod (Fourth Generation): Problems with USB 2.0 data transfer |
| 03:47.57 | drewbono | We've received an increasing number of reports with issues transferring large data files via USB 2.0 on fourth generation iPods, including the iPod Photo. |
| 03:48.00 | drewbono | MacFixIt reader Jason White writes: |
| 03:48.03 | drewbono | "I have an iPod Photo 60 gig, and I can not copy large files from it (i was able to copy 45 gig to it), the file copy process always fails at random times. |
| 03:48.06 | drewbono | "Every time I was copying a large file over 1 gigabyte, such as a .DMG file or a Virtual PC disk image. I tried this again today with a different iPod Photo the 30 gig, and the same thing has happened." |
| 03:48.10 | drewbono | Users who are experiencing this problem note that the issue does not occur when transferring the same data files via FireWire. |
| 03:48.13 | drewbono | If you are experiencing a similar issue, please let us know. |
| 03:48.15 | drewbono | Whoa...that was a mess of a paste. |
| 03:51.13 | wps | did you know that opt + clicking on links to files initiates download in Safari? |
| 03:51.17 | wps | very nice shortcut |
| 03:52.35 | drewbono | Yeah, that's a nice one. |
| 03:53.17 | drewbono | I've just started using cmd-tilde lately. Love it. |
| 03:53.43 | wps | oh... couldn't live without cmd + tilde |
| 04:01.00 | drewbono | wps: So the bookstore is going to put 11x7 "flyers" on the door to the Twilight zone. |
| 04:01.06 | drewbono | (for the iOscars) |
| 04:01.16 | drewbono | That should drum up some interest. |
| 04:01.44 | drewbono | And there's a ton of room for huge posters in the WSC, so I'm gonna try to get one put up there (even though they say it's full). |
| 04:02.09 | drewbono | And I got Joe to agree to give away an iPod shuffle in a drawing to an audience member. |
| 04:02.14 | drewbono | So... |
| 04:02.24 | drewbono | Any ideas yet for posters/flyers? |
| 04:05.07 | drewbono | Check out this idea you guys... |
| 04:05.07 | drewbono | http://homepage.mac.com/ajpaulsen/PhotoAlbum5.html |
| 04:05.11 | drewbono | Check out the 12th pic |
| 04:06.04 | stuporglue | That's pretty cool |
| 04:13.13 | drewbono | Yeah, the guy said it was a snap to do. |
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| 06:08.11 | wps | the iPod is supposed to skip audiobooks when shuffling |
| 06:08.18 | wps | anyone know if iTunes is supposed to do this too? |
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| 20:47.34 | wps | man, I hate applications that have limited menus until you have a window open |
| 20:47.38 | wps | that's stupid |
| 20:47.55 | wps | why should have have to have a blank document open just to change preferences that are global? |
| 20:48.06 | feutetejsd | amen |
| 20:48.36 | wps | arrrg |
| 20:48.36 | feutetejsd | I had another "I hate Mail's search feature" moment today |
| 20:48.52 | feutetejsd | I almost took the leap to Thunderbird because of it |
| 20:49.04 | wps | why am i not surprised |
| 20:49.07 | wps | :) |
| 20:49.19 | wps | Apple Mail is going to be the death of you |
| 20:49.25 | wps | ... take you to your grave |
| 20:49.57 | feutetejsd | indeed...but I'm too weak-willed to move to Thunderbird. I'm too dependent on my email |
| 20:50.09 | feutetejsd | if something goes awry....it's good as over |
| 20:50.10 | wps | I don't like Thunderbird |
| 20:50.17 | wps | it's a good start, but the app has a long ways to go |
| 20:50.28 | wps | it's missing one huge thing that I can't live without |
| 20:50.40 | feutetejsd | well if not THunderbird, I need some Mail app that works |
| 20:50.49 | wps | you cannot view multiple boxes (in, sent, trash, whatever) at the same time |
| 20:51.12 | feutetejsd | hmmm...can you do that in Mail.app? |
| 20:51.20 | wps | sure can! |
| 20:51.36 | wps | if Thunderbird, the boxes are organized by account |
| 20:51.42 | feutetejsd | that's news to me...although I don't know that I would ever use it, it's good to know |
| 20:51.51 | wps | each account has it's in, sent, trash beneath it |
| 20:52.27 | feutetejsd | hmmmm...I don't know if I like that, either |
| 20:52.55 | feutetejsd | really, I think that the search feature is my only beef with Apple Mail...otherwise, I'd be happy as a clam with it |
| 20:53.02 | feutetejsd | but it's a big deficiency |
| 21:00.17 | wps | Mail is organized in the opposite way that Thunderbird |
| 21:01.11 | wps | instead of organizing by account, it is organized by box. So, you have your IN, with each accounts IN beneath... then your SENT, with each account's SENT... etc. |
| 21:01.39 | wps | so, if you slide the drawer out and click inbox, you see all of the mail in all of the inboxes for all of your accounts |
| 21:01.58 | feutetejsd | indeed |
| 21:02.04 | wps | or, you can expand the inbox (click the arrow) and just click on one of the accounts |
| 21:02.25 | wps | or, you can hold down command and click on just the first and second... or the first, third, and fifth |
| 21:02.51 | wps | or, you can expand all of the boxes and select al-a-cart... such as two inboxes, one sent, and three deleted |
| 21:02.57 | wps | the possibilities are endless |
| 21:03.02 | wps | that's how an app should be |
| 21:03.31 | feutetejsd | and it should have a good search feature :D |
| 21:03.39 | wps | very, very true |
| 21:03.57 | wps | I agree with you on that one... that is Mail's greatest weakness |
| 21:04.03 | feutetejsd | or at least one that works...even if it only does one thing, it would be nice if it would do it well |
| 21:15.04 | feutetejsd | ...this ends my daily rant.... |
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| 21:26.50 | scott | it will have search in tiger |
| 21:27.04 | wps | well, it already has search |
| 21:27.13 | wps | you mean it will be more accurate in 10.4? |
| 21:27.40 | scott | beats me, I've never used a mac :) but I think I remember seeing spotlight demoed in mail |
| 21:27.54 | wps | it's a great search in that it is lightening fast... it just misses things |
| 21:27.58 | wps | yeah, it will have spotlight integrated |
| 21:28.04 | wps | you've never used a mac? |
| 21:28.29 | scott | not for more than 5 minutes at a time in the apple stores |
| 21:29.21 | wps | wow |
| 21:29.30 | wps | and you've never used any of the mac labs on campus? |
| 21:31.31 | scott | hmm, I didn't even know there were any |
| 21:31.42 | wps | :) |
| 21:32.24 | scott | did you go to the tiger demo on campus? |
| 21:32.38 | wps | was planning on it, but wasn't able to get away from work |
| 21:32.57 | wps | I wasn't too worried though as I don't think anything new was covered (from what I already knew) |
| 21:33.24 | wps | ~byu mac labs |
| 21:33.40 | wps | jbot, byu mac labs is http://students.cs.byu.edu/~quinn/oncampusmac.html#MacLabs |
| 21:33.41 | jbot | wps: okay |
| 21:33.44 | wps | ~byu mac labs |
| 21:33.45 | jbot | byu mac labs is, like, http://students.cs.byu.edu/~quinn/oncampusmac.html#MacLabs |
| 21:34.13 | feutetejsd | problem in my case is that I don't really plan to go to Tiger, so even if Spotlight is all it's cracked up to be, I won't have it.... |
| 21:34.34 | wps | why's that? |
| 21:35.27 | feutetejsd | #1: Cashflow--I can't justify the $$ to upgrade when Panther is working great (with the exception of the aforementioned Mail.app frustrations) |
| 21:35.37 | scott | I don't mean to be little tiger, since I think it's great what apple's done, but I did find it amusing (and still do) how everyone's so excited and amazed by spotlight. that feature has been around on BeOS for over a decade. |
| 21:35.42 | feutetejsd | #2: I really haven't been impressed enough by its features to want it |
| 21:35.54 | feutetejsd | there's some cool stuff, but nothing that is "gotta have it" cool |
| 21:36.35 | wps | spotlight isn't the kicker for me... I actually have very little trouble finding what I need as I am very organized |
| 21:37.20 | scott | yeah, they over estimate how disorganized people are and their short term memory capacity. |
| 21:38.19 | feutetejsd | I just haven't been impressed enough with any of its features to lay down the cash |
| 21:38.21 | wps | I am interested in the new Safari, dashboard, automator, improved Mail, H.264, improved UNIX underneath, and the new core image stuff |
| 21:39.13 | wps | well, for a student it's only $69 |
| 21:39.31 | wps | although that isn't an option for you anymore, unfortunately |
| 21:39.34 | feutetejsd | grrrr.... |
| 21:39.39 | feutetejsd | ~lart student discounts |
| 21:39.44 | feutetejsd | yeah!!!! |
| 21:39.46 | wps | ouch |
| 21:43.16 | stuporglue | I probably won't get Tiger just yet either |
| 21:43.24 | stuporglue | I am excited for the new safari w/ RSS support though |
| 21:46.20 | wps | I'll tell you what I am much more excited and antsy about |
| 21:46.24 | wps | the new Powermacs |
| 21:47.08 | stuporglue | What are they supposed to have? |
| 21:47.19 | wps | there's a 3.5 GHz dual core G5 on an engineer's desk somewhere with my name on it |
| 21:47.39 | feutetejsd | grrrr again.... |
| 21:47.49 | feutetejsd | why isn't more stuff in this life free? |
| 21:47.59 | feutetejsd | ~lart not free stuff |
| 21:48.00 | wps | don't you work for yourself, feutetejsd ? |
| 21:48.15 | feutetejsd | TAKE THAT NOT FREE STUFF!!!! |
| 21:48.20 | feutetejsd | well, sorta |
| 21:48.20 | wps | it's office equipment... right it off with your taxes |
| 21:48.25 | feutetejsd | :D |
| 21:48.29 | wps | right -> write |
| 21:48.41 | feutetejsd | I have a full-time job, and then work for myself on the side |
| 21:48.51 | feutetejsd | it's more of a hobby that brings in occasional money |
| 21:49.10 | wps | you can still write that off as a business expense |
| 21:49.12 | wps | free lancing |
| 21:49.29 | wps | as long as you use it for work |
| 21:49.43 | feutetejsd | I like the sound of that |
| 21:59.31 | feutetejsd | so, what's the anticipated release date for Tiger? |
| 22:01.48 | scott | rumors say april 15, realism predicts WWDC (is that what the mac conf is called?) |
| 22:02.16 | feutetejsd | hmmm |
| 22:03.07 | feutetejsd | scott, you seem pretty savvy for having never really used a Mac |
| 22:04.30 | scott | I was considering buying a powerbook recently so I investigated a bit |
| 22:04.58 | feutetejsd | ah |
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| 22:34.47 | wps | I am curious |
| 22:35.10 | wps | what frustrates you, besides email client :), with your current OS? |
| 22:35.15 | wps | what features are you interested in? |
| 22:35.31 | wps | what features would be worth $130? |
| 22:35.37 | macnewbold | wps: nothing, not even my email client frustrates me with my current OS... I'm running FreeBSD :) |
| 22:35.41 | wps | or are you satisfied with your OS? |
| 22:35.57 | wps | we finally got macnewbold 's attention :) |
| 22:36.31 | macnewbold | ya know, you can run FreeBSD on a Mac... |
| 22:36.38 | feutetejsd | I think I'd like more native X support. It kinda stinks to have to launch X separately in its own sandbox |
| 22:36.54 | wps | but you can't get Mac on a Mac :) |
| 22:37.20 | feutetejsd | heh heh... |
| 22:37.24 | feutetejsd | funny guy, that wps |
| 22:38.47 | feutetejsd | Honestly, ever since I've started spending more and more time in Linux, I'm having a harder time justifying spending any money on software.... |
| 22:39.18 | feutetejsd | but I still love my OS X |
| 22:39.26 | wps | k... approach it from this angle then |
| 22:39.43 | wps | if you were Steve Jobs or an engineer at Apple, what would you develop and add to the OS? |
| 22:40.19 | feutetejsd | that's a good question.... |
| 22:40.38 | feutetejsd | one for which I don't know if I have an answer |
| 22:42.28 | feutetejsd | I think it would be increased X compatability |
| 22:42.59 | feutetejsd | er... compatibility |
| 22:43.04 | feutetejsd | that one always gets me |
| 22:43.20 | feutetejsd | at lease drewbono of the grammar police isn't here to smack me down |
| 22:43.38 | feutetejsd | er...least |
| 22:43.44 | feutetejsd | man, it gets worse and worse |
| 22:44.35 | wps | :) |
| 23:24.22 | wps | can you ssh onto a computer as guest? |
| 23:24.35 | wps | I am assuming if you can that such a thing would be disabled by default? |
| 23:24.58 | feutetejsd | Does guest have a password? |
| 23:25.13 | wps | when connecting via AFP, no |
| 23:25.37 | feutetejsd | I don't think you can ssh without a password |
| 23:25.50 | feutetejsd | so, My guess would be no, you couldn't SSH as guest |
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| 23:48.06 | macnewbold | wps: if you want to make _sure_ they can't log in via ssh, you can change their shell to something that isn't a real or fully-functional shell (i.e. not bash, tcsh, etc.) |
| 23:50.48 | feutetejsd | wps, according to netinfo on my machine, I don't even have a user called guest. Do you have do something special to enable a guest account, or am I just a bonehead? |
| 23:51.06 | wps | nah |
| 23:51.36 | wps | I wasn't thinking and temporarily assumed that since AFP has a default guest account that SSH might |
| 23:51.40 | wps | which is dumb and not true |
| 23:51.49 | feutetejsd | ah, ok |
| 23:56.55 | feutetejsd | wps, that's a pretty sneaky thing you just posted to the mailing list with screencapture and say |
| 23:57.01 | feutetejsd | >:) |
| 23:58.23 | wps | actually, Michael posted it |
| 23:58.48 | feutetejsd | oh...I didn't see his post |