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| 04:50.53 | ArchAngelNix | Evening Wade |
| 04:52.07 | wps | howdy |
| 04:52.16 | wps | welcome |
| 04:52.18 | wps | it's been a while |
| 04:52.39 | wps | it's usually just mac, jbot and I since summer came around |
| 04:56.18 | ArchAngelNix | Do you get much activity in here even during the school holidays? |
| 05:00.56 | ArchAngelNix | I have a question for you wps, is the email list serve down? |
| 05:01.35 | wps | no, not much at all |
| 05:01.37 | wps | pretty dead |
| 05:01.41 | wps | it is |
| 05:01.47 | ArchAngelNix | :-) |
| 05:01.51 | wps | we got kicked off our server |
| 05:02.01 | wps | andrew is in the process of migrating to a new one as we type |
| 05:02.17 | ArchAngelNix | So you were using a BYU server and they kicked you off? |
| 05:02.35 | wps | well, it wasn't really a "server" |
| 05:02.42 | wps | it was just a G4 under someone's desk :) |
| 05:02.58 | wps | the BYU MUG's new home will be on an Xserve though |
| 05:03.00 | ArchAngelNix | Ah... Sounds like my solution |
| 05:03.03 | ArchAngelNix | Nice |
| 05:03.17 | ArchAngelNix | Is there anything I can do to help? |
| 05:04.51 | wps | might be… I'll ask |
| 05:04.59 | wps | this is certain -> http://www.macnn.com/articles/05/06/07/intel.transition.effect/ |
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| 05:06.47 | ArchAngelNix | What do you guys think about Apple's move to Intel? |
| 05:07.37 | drewbono | Hey ArchAngelNix |
| 05:07.44 | drewbono | Anyone know how to start ARD via the terminal? |
| 05:07.49 | ArchAngelNix | Howsy |
| 05:07.56 | ArchAngelNix | ARD? |
| 05:08.07 | ArchAngelNix | Apple Remote Desktop? |
| 05:08.20 | ArchAngelNix | Nope. Sorry. |
| 05:08.25 | drewbono | Yep. |
| 05:08.29 | drewbono | No worries... |
| 05:08.35 | drewbono | having to move to a new server for the BYUMUG. |
| 05:08.43 | drewbono | I'm sure you've all noticed the mailing list hasn't been working. :-) |
| 05:08.52 | ArchAngelNix | Anything I can do to help? |
| 05:08.58 | ArchAngelNix | Yes I noticed that today. |
| 05:09.13 | ArchAngelNix | When I don't get MUG emails for a couple of days I know something is up |
| 05:10.19 | wps | the move to Intel sounds like a good one long term, but the short-term will be bumpy |
| 05:11.05 | wps | Apple's hardware sales in the next year are sure to decline and the transition is sure to cause some confusion, but all-in-all, it sounds like it will be better |
| 05:11.32 | wps | my only concern is that they better dang-well-continue to support the existing PowerPC units well into the future |
| 05:11.41 | ArchAngelNix | That is what I am thinking. Personally I will be getting a PowerBook this fall and will keep if for 2-3 years |
| 05:11.51 | wps | yeah |
| 05:11.59 | wps | I just dropping 3k on a new powermac a month ago |
| 05:12.14 | ArchAngelNix | Mmm... PowerMac... |
| 05:12.58 | ArchAngelNix | I figure we have 3 more OS releases before it drops PPC support. Maybe 4 to be generous. After that, you should have an Intel Mac to stay current. |
| 05:16.57 | wps | I also think that it's absolutely stupid that they are still milking the "OS X" thing |
| 05:17.19 | wps | sheesh, they have totally killed standard rev numbering |
| 05:17.34 | wps | we should be nearly at 12 by now |
| 05:19.48 | ArchAngelNix | True enough... But here is the question you should be asking: |
| 05:19.57 | ArchAngelNix | Will the Intel Macs be called G6? |
| 05:20.21 | wps | hmm… hadn't thought of naming yet |
| 05:20.31 | wps | I wonder if they will still be called "powermacs" |
| 05:21.03 | ArchAngelNix | Since Power refers to PowerPC |
| 05:21.11 | drewbono | no way they'll be called g6 |
| 05:21.13 | ArchAngelNix | So does G.x |
| 05:21.14 | drewbono | IMO |
| 05:21.49 | wps | hmm… curious |
| 05:22.39 | ArchAngelNix | Hmm... Are we going to go back to the "Quadra, Centris, Performa" naming convention? |
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| 05:25.12 | ArchAngelNix | I moved Colluqy while it was running. It didn't like that much. |
| 05:25.26 | wps | what? |
| 05:25.48 | ArchAngelNix | I just had to quit and relaunch |
| 05:26.13 | wps | what do you mean by moved? just dragged the window around? |
| 05:27.45 | ArchAngelNix | Nope. When I launched Colloquy it was on the Desktop. I then moved it to the Applications folder. It didn't like that much. |
| 05:28.00 | wps | ah, gotcha |
| 05:28.04 | wps | yeah, that would be bad |
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| 05:29.45 | drewbono | MacDan2004: sup? |
| 05:29.56 | wps | ~MacDan2004 |
| 05:30.17 | wps | welcome, MacDan2004 |
| 05:30.47 | ArchAngelNix | Evening |
| 05:31.56 | ArchAngelNix | I was reading an article about Mac Gaming port houses response to an Intel Mac. It was interesting... |
| 05:32.17 | ArchAngelNix | One guy said it was the best thing for Mac gaming while another says it will kill Mac gaming. |
| 05:32.22 | wps | what is "Mac Gaming port houses"? |
| 05:32.30 | ArchAngelNix | Aspyr |
| 05:32.33 | ArchAngelNix | Mac Soft |
| 05:32.44 | ArchAngelNix | They take Windows games and port them to the Mac |
| 05:32.49 | wps | ah |
| 05:33.07 | ArchAngelNix | I see you are not much of a gamer then. |
| 05:33.14 | wps | nope |
| 05:33.50 | wps | besides brick-bat or solitaire on my ipod while I'm dropping the kids off at the pool |
| 05:34.56 | ArchAngelNix | I can never handle the iPod games... I always lose. Except for that music game... but after racking up a 1000 points I got bored. |
| 05:35.59 | ArchAngelNix | Here is another question for the room... |
| 05:36.06 | ArchAngelNix | Macs are called Macs. |
| 05:36.23 | ArchAngelNix | Windows based machines are called, typically, PCs. |
| 05:36.58 | ArchAngelNix | So when the Intel Mac comes out will that mess up the naming of the platforms? |
| 05:37.47 | wps | depends on who you are |
| 05:38.05 | wps | I refuse to call computers running Microsoft Windows "PCs" because PC stands for personal computer |
| 05:38.18 | wps | all computers (besides servers) are PCs |
| 05:38.39 | ArchAngelNix | I have tried to do that, but old habits die hard. |
| 05:38.49 | ArchAngelNix | What do you call Win base machines then? |
| 05:39.26 | wps | "box running Microsoft Windows" |
| 05:39.57 | wps | I also refuse to call Microsoft Windows "windows" |
| 05:40.53 | wps | because windows is the term to describe the windowing portion of the GUI portion of operating systems |
| 05:41.10 | ArchAngelNix | So you don't have an short name for computers running Microsoft Windows? |
| 05:41.25 | wps | MS windows |
| 05:41.30 | wps | i guess |
| 05:41.42 | wps | but usually just use the Microsoft Windows |
| 05:41.52 | wps | It's their fault that their naming conventions are stupid |
| 05:42.04 | ArchAngelNix | Well you are much more disciplined than I am. |
| 05:42.10 | ArchAngelNix | True enough. |
| 05:42.22 | wps | Microsoft Windows Professional Edition 2005 Service Pack Thirteen |
| 05:42.32 | wps | sheesh |
| 05:42.36 | ArchAngelNix | :-) |
| 05:42.44 | ArchAngelNix | I use to use WinTel... Hmm... |
| 05:45.38 | wps | I was surprised that we didn't see more announcements during the keynote |
| 05:45.47 | wps | like a new iPod or a new iBook |
| 05:46.18 | ArchAngelNix | I think the transition is such a big thing, Apple could have taken 2 hours on it if they wanted. |
| 05:46.36 | ArchAngelNix | I'd imagine those kind of things will be updated without much fanfare in the coming months. |
| 05:58.43 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.50 | wps | if they are, they just lost a customer |
| 05:59.10 | wps | I will not be purchasing a process with DRM |
| 05:59.15 | wps | DRM doesn't belong in a processor |
| 05:59.22 | wps | I am fine with it in files, but not my system |
| 06:00.21 | ArchAngelNix | The question is, if all of the computer industry goes to hardware DRMing where will you go? |
| 06:00.52 | wps | up the mountains to ride my mountain bike |
| 06:01.22 | ArchAngelNix | Now that sounds like a good use of one leisure time. |
| 06:04.16 | wps | anyone know of a way to edit a song's rating in iTunes via keyboard only? |
| 06:04.35 | ArchAngelNix | Nope, sorry. |
| 06:06.59 | wps | you can bring up info on a song with cmd + i and if you already had access the Options tab, then it will still be selected, but you can't tab to the rating field |
| 06:07.02 | wps | :( |
| 06:07.29 | wps | accessed |
| 06:10.22 | wps | ah-hah! |
| 06:10.23 | wps | I did it |
| 06:10.37 | ArchAngelNix | Great! How did you get it to work? |
| 06:10.38 | wps | I used the keyboard and mouse system preference pane to create my own short cut |
| 06:10.48 | ArchAngelNix | AH |
| 06:11.28 | ArchAngelNix | Wazah! |
| 06:11.46 | ArchAngelNix | I knew that feature would come in handy... ;-) |
| 06:15.46 | wps | I used it to create a shortcut for Full Screen mode in Preview for pre-10.4 versions of Preview |
| 06:15.46 | wps | and to map the view source shortcut in Safari back to cmd + opt + v (which can be executed with one hand) |
| 06:23.50 | wps | dang, this is awesome |
| 06:24.13 | wps | being able to control iTunes totally with the keyboard now (without any third party utilities) |
| 06:24.51 | ArchAngelNix | Nice |
| 06:26.40 | ArchAngelNix | Time for bed. Chat with you later. Oh and Drewbono, if you need help with anything just let me know. |
| 06:26.49 | wps | later |
| 06:26.49 | drewbono | thanks man. |
| 06:26.52 | drewbono | what's your email? |
| 06:26.58 | drewbono | ArchAngelNix: what's your email? |
| 06:27.30 | drewbono | did anyone just get an email from me? |
| 06:27.30 | ArchAngelNix | mike@holleyinc.com |
| 06:27.35 | wps | http://mac.byu.edu/users.php?mode=profile&uid=599 |
| 06:28.08 | ArchAngelNix | Wow that is out of date. |
| 06:28.18 | wps | no, drewbono, no emails |
| 06:28.47 | ArchAngelNix | No emails here either |
| 06:29.55 | drewbono | well, I'm out |
| 06:29.58 | drewbono | check you guys tomorrow |
| 06:29.58 | wps | does anyone have purchased music in their purchase music list when viewing the music store in shopping cart mode? |
| 06:30.12 | wps | I need a screen shot if anyone can provide |
| 06:30.16 | wps | for work |
| 06:31.37 | ArchAngelNix | Well I just got Andrew's email |
| 06:32.04 | wps | strange |
| 06:32.08 | wps | nothing for me |
| 06:32.19 | ArchAngelNix | I got an iTunes picture for you. |
| 06:32.26 | wps | sweet |
| 06:32.35 | wps | can I ask you to do one thing for me? |
| 06:33.46 | wps | eh, nevermind |
| 06:33.48 | wps | I won't be picked |
| 06:33.50 | wps | picky |
| 06:33.57 | wps | just the screenshot will be very beneficial |
| 06:33.58 | wps | thank you |
| 06:34.05 | ArchAngelNix | No problem |
| 06:34.19 | wps | how you going to deliver? server? email? |
| 06:35.03 | ArchAngelNix | How do you want it/ |
| 06:35.05 | ArchAngelNix | ? |
| 06:35.11 | wps | doesn't matter to me |
| 06:35.17 | wps | whatever is most convenient for you |
| 06:35.20 | wps | you want an email address? |
| 06:35.23 | ArchAngelNix | Sure |
| 06:35.27 | wps | there, just got Andrew's email |
| 06:35.37 | wps | wade@anavidesign.com |
| 06:36.57 | ArchAngelNix | It is on it's way. It might take a few minutes before it gets to you though. |
| 06:38.07 | wps | thanks. i appreciate it. I got it. |
| 06:39.36 | wps | wait |
| 06:39.41 | wps | that looks like a shot of your shopping cart |
| 06:39.49 | wps | and not Purchased Music |
| 06:40.13 | ArchAngelNix | Opps. Sorry wrong one. |
| 06:40.15 | ArchAngelNix | :-) |
| 06:40.36 | ArchAngelNix | Purchased Music is just a normal playlist |
| 06:40.41 | ArchAngelNix | Nothing too special about it. |
| 06:41.01 | ArchAngelNix | What exactly do you need, so I can emphasize it in the screen shot |
| 06:41.28 | wps | actually, just the entire app like you did with the Shopping Cart is perfect |
| 06:42.44 | ArchAngelNix | k |
| 06:43.52 | ArchAngelNix | On it's way. |
| 06:44.26 | wps | thanks |
| 06:48.31 | wps | you using Unsanity's themer? |
| 07:00.32 | ArchAngelNix | Yep |
| 07:00.39 | ArchAngelNix | I love Shapshifter |
| 07:01.00 | ArchAngelNix | Well time for bed. Chat later. |
| 07:01.06 | wps | later |
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| 22:47.37 | wps | uh… did I miss some announcement? |
| 22:47.47 | wps | isn't the iPod photo the only iPod with a color display? |