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15:47.12wpswelcome, guest
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16:11.24wpswelcome, gentlemen
16:11.30wpshope everyone had a good weekend
16:12.19feutetejsdindeed...and you, wps?
16:12.25wpsexcellent
16:12.33wpsgetting things ready for the big trip
16:12.37feutetejsdtrip?
16:12.46wpsdrewbono: you hear about the aperture 1.1 update in March?
16:13.03wpsApple is claiming signigificant updates to the RAW algorithms
16:13.04drewbonowhat up boyz?
16:13.10drewbonoYeah, I read that last night.
16:13.12wpsnew features
16:13.18drewbonoSounds like they're taking the app seriously.
16:13.26drewbonoI'm stoked
16:13.31drewbonoI bet it'll be out tomorrow. :-)
16:13.43feutetejsdwhat trip are ou making, wps?
16:13.47wpsfeutetejsd: I am heading out wednesday for a forty mile, week long backpacking trip through the grand canyon
16:13.51wpsI am very exited too
16:14.10wpshow about Jay Carr getting his shorts in a knot on the mailing list
16:14.13wpshe he he :)
16:14.21wpsI love watching people get in a tizzy on mailing lists
16:14.25feutetejsdcool. it ounds like fun, even though I can't stand camping.... :)
16:14.49drewbonoyeah, he sure did.
16:15.22drewbonoMaybe I should post a reply that says: "Wade is a web-design God.  When he speaks, listen."
16:15.29wpsriiiiiiiiight
16:15.30drewbononuf said
16:15.31drewbono:-)
16:15.48feutetejsdhehe
16:15.51feutetejsdyeah, good times
16:16.08drewbonowps: what do you use now for php?
16:16.10drewbonozend?
16:16.12drewbonoor eclipse?
16:16.17wpszend currently
16:16.25wpsthey are basically the same thing though
16:16.30drewbonohave you tried trustudio?
16:16.35wpsyup
16:16.53drewbonoand is bigdog still doing the custom uphpu releases of eclipse?
16:16.59wpsyupo
16:17.24drewbonohot
16:17.30drewbonoI'll have to give that a try sometime.
16:17.49drewbonogot a link to the custom build?
16:18.39wpshttp://uphpu.org/article.php?story=20050623220028938&query=eclipse
16:18.50wpsthat is eight months old though
16:18.56wpsthere have been updates since then
16:19.03drewbonofrom bigdog?
16:19.06drewbonoor eclipse?
16:19.16wpseclipse
16:19.17wpswe need to encourage bigdog_ut to roll out a new package
16:19.27drewbonoyeah
16:19.36drewbonoso it sounds like trustudio's the way to go for now
16:19.39feutetejsdquestion for y'alls...
16:19.52feutetejsddo the PHP plugins for Eclipse do code completion?
16:20.01wpsyes
16:20.04feutetejsdI've never figured out a way to get that going
16:20.15wpsyou need the trustudio package
16:20.46feutetejsdmaybe that's it...I'll have to give that a go
16:21.25*** topic/#byumug by wps -> tomorrow… tomorrow… fun and exciting announcement… tomorrow
16:23.57drewbonoso what do you guys think about the m$ origami project?
16:24.13wpshaven't been able to get enough info to form an opinion
16:24.44wpsthe website just says the usual lame marketing jargon about it changing my life and then ends with a coming soon
16:24.54wpsthe rumor sites say that it is a tablet something or other
16:24.59feutetejsd've never even heard of it
16:25.04wpsI don't understand how the name applies at all
16:25.24wpsso far, it just sounds like a tablet
16:26.38drewbonowell, I think it's more than that.
16:26.51drewbonoIt seems like they're positioning it to be an iPod killer-type device.
16:26.59drewbonoBut it'll do so much more since it runs Windows.
16:27.19wpsbut… just like samsung, iriver, and creative… they all miss the boat
16:27.20drewbonofeutetejsd: http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/02/27/ms.origami.project/
16:27.28wpsthe reason that iPod is successful is because it isn't a swiss army knife
16:27.35drewbonosamsung's new device seems to be creating quite the buzz
16:27.42feutetejsdthanks for the link, drebono
16:27.43drewbonohttp://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/02/27/068242.shtml
16:27.45feutetejsdalso, drewbono
16:27.46drewbononp
16:27.59wpsI don't understand why it no one gets it… it's so obvious… Apple's products are successful because of their simplicity… less features… not more
16:28.39drewbonoYeah, that's a HUGE part of it.
16:28.53drewbonoBut I think another huge part is the integration with iTunes.
16:29.04drewbonow/o iTunes, iPods would be just another player.
16:29.55drewbonowps: sounds like you're ready for a codeoff
16:30.15feutetejsdhehe
16:32.14wps:)
16:33.06feutetejsdI'm warning you, wps... fight dirty
16:33.11feutetejsder...I fight diryy
16:33.14feutetejsdholy crap
16:33.17wpsha ha
16:33.17feutetejsdI fight dirty
16:33.18feutetejsdthat's it
16:33.20feutetejsdshut up
16:33.22feutetejsd>:)
16:33.24wps:)
16:33.33feutetejsdsee? I'm guaranteed to lose
16:33.40feutetejsdwow....I'm a mess this morning
16:33.43feutetejsdback to bed for me
16:34.24drewbonolol
16:34.30drewbonofeutetejsd = funny
16:34.54feutetejsdheh....I hate mondays
16:38.12feutetejsdi'm blaming my keyboard....it's been acting weird lately
16:38.20feutetejsdprobably time for some new batteries for the ol' wireless
16:38.20drewbonoriiiiiiight...
16:38.21drewbono;-)
16:38.22feutetejsd:D
16:38.37feutetejsdalso, I don't do mornings
16:38.41feutetejsdor mondays
16:38.56feutetejsdor anything else, for that matter
16:39.45drewbonowps: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1031&thread=17364725
16:39.53drewbonothought you might wanna see that
16:40.22wpsinteresting
16:40.26drewbonoI didn't know that you could set default EXIF data on your camera (for example, your camera could include your name in the EXIF data of every shot)
16:40.44drewbonothat'd be nice to set up once and not have to deal with 1000x later
16:40.50wpsfor sure
16:41.31wpsI've added it to my todo list
16:42.33drewbonolol
16:42.38drewbonohow many items is that up to?
16:47.19drewbono*sigh*
16:47.25drewbononow here's something I just don't get:
16:47.27drewbonohttp://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02/26/elements/index.php
16:48.23drewbonoApple announced they were going to Intel 8 or 9 months ago, and Adobe is STILL releasing PPC-only software with no promise of a free UB when it's made available.
16:48.40wpsI think that that's retarded
16:48.50wpsI love sentences that have words twice in a row
16:49.09drewbonoWhich means (probably) that users of Elements will probably have to wait until the NEXT major release to get UB compatibility.
16:49.13drewbonoStoopid
16:49.15drewbonoAdobe.
16:51.39wpsawesome!
16:51.56wpsI've got people putting money up for the show!
16:52.38wpsguest_1339: what do you think about inbreeding?
16:52.56drewbono?
16:53.12drewbonowps: who's putting up $?
16:53.18wpstimothy humphrey
16:53.21wps(mailing list)
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16:57.33feutetejsdwhat show, wps?
16:57.41wpsthe gun show!
16:58.04wps(the code-off)
16:58.25feutetejsdoh, see? once again, you're much faster reading and responding to the list posts than am I
16:58.28feutetejsd:)
17:07.18feutetejsdwow, I'm really slow today.... :(
17:19.05drewbonowps: so is there a tutorial for the trustudio stuff?
17:19.12drewbonohow to set it up, etc?
17:20.04wpshmm… don't remember
17:21.13drewbonofeutetejsd: http://www.xored.com/support/tutorials/highlighting
17:23.16feutetejsdnice
17:23.22feutetejsdI'll have to give it a whirl
17:27.27feutetejsdlaunching TruStudio....
17:27.31feutetejsdwait for it, wait for it...
17:27.52wpsthat's why I hate java apps
17:27.54wpsug
17:28.06feutetejsdheh
17:28.06drewbonosllloooowww :-)
17:28.09feutetejsdamen
17:28.26drewbonowps: know how to set up your code so you can test it?
17:28.35wpswhat?
17:29.15wpsI think that Vista's multiple options is stupid
17:29.18wpsit's confusing and dumb
17:29.19wpswhat's the ponit?
17:29.31wpsmake two versions… server and desktop
17:29.34feutetejsdhehe...was just reading about htat
17:29.40wpsor perhaps even three… lean, normal, and server
17:29.47wpsbut what's the point in six versions?
17:29.47feutetejsdyeah, let's create 6 different flavors....nobody will have any problem with that
17:29.49feutetejsdwhat a load
17:30.04wpslike I said earlier in hear… the KISS principle is key
17:30.10wpsKeep It Simple Stupid
17:30.19feutetejsdindeed
17:30.48wpshmm… that data center acquisition by Apple is interesting
17:31.04wpsI wonder if they are beefing up to host a lot more content
17:31.32feutetejsdI didn't see that...where are you reading about that?
17:31.53wpshttp://www.macnn.com/articles/06/02/27/apple.buys.newark.facility/
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17:32.57feutetejsdinteresting
17:33.09drewbonowps: mind downloading something and putting it in my .mac account?
17:33.09drewbonohttp://jycronier.free.fr/org.hkataria.jsedit_2.0.0.zip
17:33.15drewbonoBYU says it's porn.
17:33.24drewbonoI say it's a javascript plugin for eclipse.
17:33.25wpsha ha ha
17:33.25drewbono:-)
17:33.30wpslink broken
17:33.52drewbonohmm...does the root have anything?
17:33.57drewbonohttp://jycronier.free.fr
17:34.14wpsnope
17:35.01drewbonocool
17:35.01drewbonothx
17:35.13wpslet me know if you find it… I'd be happy to help
17:37.42feutetejsdwps, are you taking Mrs. Wade on the grand canyon trip? Or perhaps a better question is, is there a Mrs. Wade?
17:38.55wpsI wish
17:38.59wpsI would love for her to come
17:39.09feutetejsdd'oh! why is she not coming?
17:39.26wpsunfortunately, she has school… is pregnant… and it's "just the guys" this time
17:39.35wpsshe is very athletic though and goes out with me all the time
17:39.42wpswe went snowshoeing saturday
17:39.54feutetejsdah, that's too bad. How pregnant is she? Mrs. feutetejsd is also pregnant.... baby is due in April
17:40.02wpsdue in Augsut
17:40.09feutetejsdcool, congrats
17:40.10wpss/Augsut/August
17:40.14wpsthanks, congrats to you too
17:40.16wpsthis is our first
17:40.19feutetejsdyou're turning into me
17:40.22wps:)
17:40.24feutetejsdall those typos...sheesh
17:40.26feutetejsd:D
17:40.26drewbonocongrats to both of you
17:40.28drewbono:-)
17:40.32feutetejsdthanks...this is our first too
17:41.34wpsI'm very, very excited
17:41.43wpswe find out the sex in three weeks
17:41.48feutetejsdcool
17:41.51wpsdo you know what you're having?
17:41.53feutetejsdwe're having a boy
17:42.35feutetejsdit's crazy to think that I'm going to be a dad....
17:42.43wpsno kidding
17:42.46wpsvery scary
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20:41.02wpsha ha ha
20:41.14wpsthat Jay Carr guy emailed me off list and told me that I was the devil
20:41.24feutetejsdwoah...why?
20:41.31wpshe thinks I'm a jerk :)
20:41.40feutetejsdhehe
20:42.02feutetejsdthat whole thing got pretty heated
21:29.09wpsha ha ha
21:29.17wpslooks like I've made a friend out of Jay Carr
21:29.36feutetejsdyou made him like you?
21:29.42wpsamazingly
21:29.44wps:)
21:29.56wpswe exchanged about six emails… I only responding because it was entertaining
21:30.00feutetejsdwow...you must be a really nice guy
21:30.02feutetejsdhehe
21:30.19wpsand then he finally replied one last time and said that he was sorry and appreciated my responses
21:30.24feutetejsdor at least a good sweet-talker
21:30.28wpsand he's going to join UPHPU to learn more!
21:30.31feutetejsdnice
21:30.33wpsha ha
21:30.43feutetejsdi gotta get back with UPHPU again
21:31.21feutetejsdthat thread really got people wound up on the list
21:31.23feutetejsdgood times
21:33.08wpsanyone that gets wound up does so by choice though
21:33.17wpsit's like how people cannot make people mad
21:33.20wpspeople choose to get mad
21:33.33feutetejsdtrue dat
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