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| 06:24.10 | dna3e8 | hi |
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| 14:51.57 | *** topic/#byumug by wps -> Big announcements today |
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| 17:03.45 | feutetejsd | one hour until you leave for the Grand Canyon? |
| 17:04.14 | wps | nope, until Apple's "fun new things" announcement |
| 17:05.23 | feutetejsd | oh.....ummmm....apparently I'm pretty out of the loop these days |
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| 17:06.25 | wps | welcome, [ex]Taunto |
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| 18:13.46 | dna3e8 | A Mac MINI! |
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| 18:14.01 | dna3e8 | a new mac mini |
| 18:14.19 | jhmaughan | what's that site that we used in January taht continually updates each minute? |
| 18:14.26 | drewbono | really? |
| 18:14.30 | drewbono | yeah, where is everyone getting news from? |
| 18:14.37 | dna3e8 | macrumors has one and they list s few otheres |
| 18:14.47 | drewbono | can't get to macrumors |
| 18:14.54 | drewbono | mind passing the list on? |
| 18:15.18 | dna3e8 | justs asec |
| 18:15.25 | dna3e8 | http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/ |
| 18:15.27 | jhmaughan | macrumors.com sent me straight to macrumorslive.com |
| 18:15.30 | jhmaughan | yeah, works great |
| 18:15.36 | dna3e8 | http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/28/live-from-the-steve-jobs-keynote-fun-new-products/ |
| 18:15.39 | jhmaughan | LOL, iLounge?! |
| 18:15.43 | dna3e8 | http://www.ilounge.com/ |
| 18:15.51 | dna3e8 | http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/02/28/liveupdate/index.php |
| 18:16.12 | drewbono | wow....a mac mini |
| 18:16.13 | drewbono | HOT! |
| 18:16.17 | jhmaughan | BULLYA gigabit! |
| 18:17.30 | drewbono | Dood--if they don't give it PVR capabilities.... |
| 18:17.50 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:18.11 | drewbono | SPDIF audio outputs? |
| 18:18.15 | drewbono | What is that? |
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| 18:18.37 | jhmaughan | digital audio |
| 18:18.47 | drewbono | and what's the diff between iLounge and Front Row? |
| 18:19.00 | jhmaughan | Sony Protocol? Digital Input Frequency or something funky like that |
| 18:19.06 | jhmaughan | iLounge is just a site |
| 18:19.09 | jhmaughan | like Macrumors |
| 18:19.23 | jhmaughan | macrumors was poaching from iLounge to talk about front row |
| 18:20.14 | drewbono | Oh... |
| 18:20.16 | drewbono | gotcha. |
| 18:20.36 | dna3e8 | he heh |
| 18:20.46 | drewbono | Jason: http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/ |
| 18:20.54 | jhmaughan | yeah i thought so too |
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| 18:20.59 | guest_4878 | hi |
| 18:21.34 | dna3e8 | you waching the feeds |
| 18:21.52 | dna3e8 | (guest_4878) |
| 18:22.44 | jhmaughan | i have been waiting for this mac mini for...oh i don't know, two years? |
| 18:23.30 | dna3e8 | if any one wnats to buy an old mini.... I am now selling mine.. |
| 18:24.01 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:24.14 | jhmaughan | i new this was coming so i sold mine first gen mini to my dad :) |
| 18:24.22 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 18:24.27 | dna3e8 | HAH |
| 18:24.32 | jhmaughan | i should probably have sold it to my grandpa, as he is only windows user in my extended family ;) |
| 18:24.45 | jhmaughan | drew, how are you doing the private message thing? |
| 18:24.59 | jhmaughan | i assume that's what the •drewbono is |
| 18:25.34 | jhmaughan | $800 eh? |
| 18:25.38 | jhmaughan | that's the one i'm getting |
| 18:25.42 | jhmaughan | screw a powermac :) |
| 18:25.43 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:25.47 | jhmaughan | save the money |
| 18:26.00 | drewbono | No, it's not private |
| 18:26.20 | jhmaughan | what does the dot mean then? |
| 18:26.24 | drewbono | Hmmm...how to explain... |
| 18:26.28 | drewbono | wps: little help? |
| 18:27.02 | drewbono | it's for when you don't want to say anything, but you want to tell ppl what you're doing |
| 18:27.28 | drewbono | the way you do it is to do "/me" and then the message |
| 18:27.30 | jhmaughan | gotcha |
| 18:28.40 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:28.54 | feutetejsd | nice |
| 18:28.58 | dna3e8 | tanks |
| 18:30.31 | feutetejsd | so, has anyone heard whether this new Mini will have DVR capabilities? |
| 18:30.59 | drewbono | Not yet. |
| 18:31.02 | drewbono | Doesn't sound like it. |
| 18:31.06 | drewbono | Probably through a 3rd party. |
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| 18:31.24 | drewbono | So, what's up with this? |
| 18:31.37 | drewbono | You can get a fully loaded Mac mini for 800 |
| 18:31.45 | drewbono | but if you want it in a powerbook it costs 1999? |
| 18:31.52 | drewbono | it's pretty much all the same hardware |
| 18:32.04 | dna3e8 | pluse a screen |
| 18:32.07 | drewbono | just add a screen and the next step up in processor |
| 18:32.18 | drewbono | but a 15 screen doesn't cost 1200 |
| 18:32.31 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:32.33 | dna3e8 | battery |
| 18:32.46 | jhmaughan | probably will be third party DVR since there are now FOUR USB ports |
| 18:32.55 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 18:32.55 | feutetejsd | *sigh* |
| 18:33.00 | drewbono | but a 15 screen and a battery doen't cost 1200 |
| 18:33.02 | drewbono | don't |
| 18:33.03 | dna3e8 | 2 is not enough |
| 18:33.04 | drewbono | :-) |
| 18:33.10 | jhmaughan | backlit keyboard? |
| 18:33.16 | jhmaughan | Firewire? |
| 18:33.24 | drewbono | but a 15 screen and a batter and a backlit keyboard don't cost 1200 |
| 18:33.41 | drewbono | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.00 | jhmaughan | anyone want to go shopping later? |
| 18:34.02 | drewbono | whew, I'm done |
| 18:34.26 | dna3e8 | need a buyer first... |
| 18:34.36 | jhmaughan | me :) |
| 18:34.38 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:34.48 | dna3e8 | for real |
| 18:34.55 | jhmaughan | but i'm not sharing |
| 18:34.58 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:34.58 | jhmaughan | j/k |
| 18:35.15 | jhmaughan | yeah, for realz, i need a new Mac (powerbook logic board crash and burn concerns me) |
| 18:35.20 | jhmaughan | and was going to go G5 |
| 18:35.28 | jhmaughan | but Mac Mini would be perfect :) |
| 18:35.39 | jhmaughan | (finally) |
| 18:36.08 | jhmaughan | and to think i nearly bought a G5 only two weeks ago |
| 18:36.34 | feutetejsd | despite needing one, I'm not buying a new mac for at least another year |
| 18:36.38 | drewbono | jhmaughan: a mac mini's no comparison to a quad g5 |
| 18:36.44 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 18:36.51 | dna3e8 | I almost bought a 5G ipod yesterday... |
| 18:38.31 | dna3e8 | held back because of rumors of a bigger screen |
| 18:39.46 | wps | I'm back |
| 18:39.57 | wps | what a crappy moment to have to run an errand |
| 18:40.04 | wps | so the announcement is a mini? and that's it? |
| 18:40.06 | wps | no DVR? |
| 18:40.14 | wps | what's they excitement about then? |
| 18:40.15 | wps | that's lame |
| 18:40.22 | dna3e8 | intal |
| 18:40.28 | feutetejsd | meh |
| 18:40.29 | dna3e8 | 4 usb... |
| 18:40.44 | wps | oooo… four USB… so what |
| 18:40.46 | dna3e8 | front row |
| 18:40.46 | wps | buy a hub |
| 18:40.58 | dna3e8 | no not too great |
| 18:41.03 | wps | different process and adding front row is nothing to make an announcement about |
| 18:41.08 | wps | s/process/processor |
| 18:41.09 | dna3e8 | 6 button remote |
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| 18:42.22 | feutetejsd | did I just read right? they're announcing an Apple boombox? |
| 18:43.10 | jhmaughan | yeah, you did |
| 18:43.19 | jhmaughan | sorry, colloquy crashed on me |
| 18:43.32 | dna3e8 | like a nano... but bigger |
| 18:43.49 | feutetejsd | uhhhh.....ok |
| 18:43.53 | feutetejsd | *sigh* |
| 18:43.59 | dna3e8 | y |
| 18:44.29 | dna3e8 | if it is big, it better use the space inside.... |
| 18:45.27 | dna3e8 | a big HD,,,, a tera or 2... |
| 18:46.24 | wps | so… with bonjour… Apple now has a Media Center… save DVR abilities |
| 18:46.34 | feutetejsd | once again.... *sigh* |
| 18:46.44 | jhmaughan | LOL |
| 18:47.09 | dna3e8 | I am kind of disappointed:( |
| 18:47.14 | feutetejsd | indeed |
| 18:47.42 | dna3e8 | almost not worth the time... except the geek points :D |
| 18:48.47 | jhmaughan | he he |
| 18:49.35 | drewbono | wps: what's a Media Center without a DVR though? |
| 18:49.48 | jhmaughan | cheaper |
| 18:49.55 | jhmaughan | that's what it is :) |
| 18:49.56 | drewbono | dang...I keep hoping he'll come out on stage an announce downloadable movies |
| 18:50.00 | jhmaughan | indeed |
| 18:50.21 | jhmaughan | they're probably saving those for when the new touch screen iPod comes out |
| 18:51.42 | dna3e8 | I dod do any tv... so I don't think I would use DVR..... |
| 18:51.45 | jhmaughan | i'm really surprised tehy built in the wireless for the Mini |
| 18:51.48 | jhmaughan | that's rad |
| 18:52.19 | dna3e8 | It has been that way since 2 weeks after I bought mine (june 05) |
| 18:52.38 | dna3e8 | I flet sheeted |
| 18:52.42 | dna3e8 | *felt |
| 18:53.14 | dna3e8 | P.S the BYU forum was a wast! |
| 18:53.16 | jhmaughan | darn, i went to apple's page and they had the mini up, then i refreshed and it was gone |
| 18:53.24 | jhmaughan | what BYU forum? |
| 18:53.28 | jhmaughan | oh, lol |
| 18:53.31 | jhmaughan | just kidding |
| 18:53.33 | jhmaughan | gotcha |
| 18:53.39 | jhmaughan | like, devotional forum thing |
| 18:54.21 | dna3e8 | yump |
| 18:54.45 | jhmaughan | but what i'm saying aout wireless is that it is included now, rather than a BTO option |
| 18:57.47 | dna3e8 | bto |
| 18:58.01 | dna3e8 | it was shipping with it... |
| 18:58.57 | drewbono | the original mac mini was sans wireless, |
| 18:58.59 | dna3e8 | bto? |
| 18:59.12 | drewbono | but when they revved it last (in June) it came with wireless (except the very bottom option) |
| 18:59.24 | dna3e8 | (I don't know what I am talking about...) |
| 19:01.23 | jhmaughan | build to order |
| 19:01.31 | jhmaughan | :) |
| 19:01.33 | jhmaughan | it's all good |
| 19:02.20 | jhmaughan | who is feutetejsd? |
| 19:02.27 | feutetejsd | me |
| 19:02.29 | feutetejsd | :D |
| 19:02.35 | feutetejsd | Joel Daynes |
| 19:02.40 | jhmaughan | ha ha, i should have just typed "whois feutetejsd" |
| 19:02.44 | jhmaughan | ah cool |
| 19:02.51 | feutetejsd | awww crap....now everyone knows who I am |
| 19:02.53 | jhmaughan | so we've got a bunch of the regulars here |
| 19:02.57 | feutetejsd | yup |
| 19:02.58 | jhmaughan | that's fun |
| 19:03.04 | jhmaughan | who is Jbot then? |
| 19:03.12 | dna3e8 | it came with wireless... it was NOT an add on |
| 19:03.27 | jhmaughan | we got dave, joel, jeremiah, drew, wade and who is jbot? |
| 19:03.39 | dna3e8 | a bot |
| 19:03.42 | feutetejsd | Jbot is a bot who sits in the channel and records what we say, and does cool things when you ask him to |
| 19:03.47 | feutetejsd | like this: |
| 19:03.53 | feutetejsd | ~/lart having to be at work |
| 19:04.00 | feutetejsd | also: |
| 19:04.04 | feutetejsd | ~lart having to be at work |
| 19:04.08 | feutetejsd | there he goes |
| 19:04.16 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 19:04.17 | jhmaughan | gotcha |
| 19:04.23 | jhmaughan | that HiFi is huge |
| 19:04.28 | jhmaughan | like...really really huge |
| 19:04.30 | drewbono | jhmaughan: I'd stay away from the Mac min |
| 19:04.32 | drewbono | mini |
| 19:04.47 | jhmaughan | porque? |
| 19:04.49 | drewbono | Integrated graphics...yuck! |
| 19:04.55 | jhmaughan | and how do you do private IM? |
| 19:05.11 | feutetejsd | in colloquy, you can just click on the user's name in teh chat window |
| 19:05.16 | feutetejsd | and it will open a fresh window for you |
| 19:05.30 | jhmaughan | ah i see |
| 19:05.33 | drewbono | I use the /msg jhmaughan function |
| 19:05.36 | jhmaughan | oh i see |
| 19:05.52 | feutetejsd | I like doing things the lazy way.... |
| 19:06.00 | feutetejsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.20 | jhmaughan | so drew, were you typing to me in a different window? |
| 19:06.24 | drewbono | yup |
| 19:06.38 | jhmaughan | b/c it comes to my main chat window, but just greyed |
| 19:06.42 | drewbono | Nice. |
| 19:06.49 | drewbono | Different clients probably handle it differently. |
| 19:06.59 | jhmaughan | so why away from mini? |
| 19:07.01 | feutetejsd | jhmaughan, are you using colloquy? |
| 19:07.05 | drewbono | If you use colloquy, it usually opens a new win |
| 19:07.05 | jhmaughan | yeah |
| 19:07.21 | drewbono | jhmaughan: integrated graphics |
| 19:07.29 | jhmaughan | you are both talking to me in separate windows then? |
| 19:07.30 | drewbono | Video performance can't be great. |
| 19:07.36 | jhmaughan | so wacky |
| 19:07.37 | jhmaughan | :) |
| 19:07.42 | drewbono | No, I'm in main window now |
| 19:07.50 | feutetejsd | jhmaughan, I'm now talking in the main window too |
| 19:08.00 | feutetejsd | but when I said "thusly" that was from a separate window |
| 19:09.02 | jhmaughan | how did you do the main window thing? |
| 19:09.41 | jhmaughan | seriously that hifi is huge :) |
| 19:11.58 | jhmaughan | they should have called it, iPod huge |
| 19:12.13 | feutetejsd | brb |
| 19:13.33 | jhmaughan | i do wish they had put a different power connector on the mini |
| 19:14.15 | jhmaughan | so drew, what do you think is bad about the Mini's integrated graphics...compared to the iMac which also has integrated graphics? |
| 19:15.47 | drewbono | the imac has integrated? |
| 19:16.00 | jhmaughan | like, it's not upgradable |
| 19:16.05 | jhmaughan | built into the MoBo |
| 19:16.06 | drewbono | Ahhh... |
| 19:16.16 | jhmaughan | only the PowerMac has separate graphics card |
| 19:16.25 | drewbono | Integrated means that it doesn't really have a separate video card--it uses system RAM to power video. |
| 19:16.33 | drewbono | that'd bad |
| 19:16.44 | jhmaughan | ah interesting |
| 19:16.52 | drewbono | I guess I shouldn't say it's bad, but it kills graphics performance. |
| 19:16.57 | jhmaughan | so i guess none of them are truly integrated then |
| 19:17.04 | jhmaughan | b/c it think they ahve dedicated ram |
| 19:17.06 | jhmaughan | though not much :) |
| 19:17.16 | drewbono | so if you don't have integrated, then there's a separate video card that runs it and is optimized for video. |
| 19:17.54 | jhmaughan | the ONLY problem with the Mini is that i can't drive two monitors :( |
| 19:18.56 | drewbono | iMac |
| 19:18.57 | drewbono | :-0 |
| 19:18.58 | drewbono | :-) |
| 19:20.12 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 19:20.22 | jhmaughan | eh, i'd probably go G5 if nothing else :) |
| 19:20.23 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 19:20.30 | jhmaughan | if not the mini i mean |
| 19:20.41 | drewbono | the hi-fi is probably so big b/c it has integrated power supply |
| 19:22.14 | jhmaughan | probably right |
| 19:22.37 | jhmaughan | they might as well put the power supply in there since you'll have air space from those big speakers |
| 19:22.58 | jhmaughan | wow, apple store is getting slammed right now |
| 19:23.01 | jhmaughan | or it's just down |
| 19:30.01 | feutetejsd | i'm back |
| 19:30.04 | feutetejsd | in case anyone cares |
| 19:33.05 | dna3e8 | ok |
| 19:34.13 | drewbono | do intel macs support java apps? |
| 19:36.20 | feutetejsd | dunno....I can't imagine why they wouldn't, though. |
| 19:53.14 | jhmaughan | oh, hi |
| 19:53.14 | jhmaughan | lol |
| 19:53.23 | jhmaughan | colloquy needs to make noise |
| 19:53.28 | feutetejsd | it can |
| 19:53.29 | jhmaughan | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/28/1829225 |
| 19:53.33 | jhmaughan | that's interesting |
| 19:53.48 | jhmaughan | there, i made it make noise :) |
| 19:53.55 | feutetejsd | well done :) |
| 19:54.56 | jhmaughan | weird noises though :) but i guess iChat sounds weird the first time too ;) |
| 19:56.04 | feutetejsd | yeah, it seems like there's a fairly easy way to add sounds, but I can't remember it offhand |
| 19:57.11 | dna3e8 | I USE GROWL for most of my sounds |
| 19:57.44 | feutetejsd | i've played only a little with GROWL....tell us more, dna3e8 :) |
| 19:58.24 | jhmaughan | GROWL? is that an add on App? |
| 19:59.03 | dna3e8 | I am not sure what it is called.. kind of a plug in |
| 19:59.21 | feutetejsd | seems like there are several apps that can make use of it, right? |
| 19:59.31 | feutetejsd | and it can be used for alerts, notifications, management of those apps |
| 19:59.33 | feutetejsd | ?? |
| 19:59.50 | jhmaughan | trippy |
| 19:59.51 | dna3e8 | Many open source apps can be set up to call it for any notifications. |
| 20:00.17 | jhmaughan | so much for $500 Mac Mini's |
| 20:00.20 | dna3e8 | Adium, ichat saft.... can name a few |
| 20:00.30 | dna3e8 | *to name a few |
| 20:00.57 | dna3e8 | you usually control it form sys prefs |
| 20:01.05 | dna3e8 | *from |
| 20:02.03 | dna3e8 | I have growl read Adium IMs if Aduim is in the background... at also displays it |
| 20:02.13 | jhmaughan | cool |
| 20:05.03 | dna3e8 | currently (using Conversation) if some one mentions me in the channel I get a bubble on my screen |
| 20:06.14 | jhmaughan | interesting |
| 20:07.33 | dna3e8 | I can stay up to seed on what is up in the channel w/o keeping the window ontop |
| 20:07.43 | jhmaughan | cool |
| 20:07.48 | jhmaughan | i just use a second monitor ;) |
| 20:12.06 | jhmaughan | so why did APple's stock just drop today? |
| 20:29.10 | wps | because the announcements were lame |
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| 20:34.18 | feutetejsd | hehe....true dat, wps |
| 20:34.47 | wps | unless I missed something |
| 20:35.06 | wps | new things consisted of the speakers and the Mac Mini, right? |
| 20:35.17 | feutetejsd | more or less, I believe |
| 20:35.22 | feutetejsd | I was fairly underwhelmed |
| 20:36.14 | wps | wireless bonjour from your other computers is awesome… I would use that for sure (I like the idea of not having to have multiple copies of my digital media), but without DVR capabilities, I won't be making a purchase |
| 20:36.26 | feutetejsd | nay |
| 20:36.49 | wps | if it did have DVR, I'd have already put my credit card into the Apple Store |
| 20:37.50 | feutetejsd | *sigh* |
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| 22:47.43 | dna3e8 | yeah so i went to apple's site,, why did the make that think, there are alreaqdy many iPod boom boxes... |
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| 23:55.36 | drewbono | dna3e8: Steve wanted a boombox. :-) |