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| 14:15.30 | wps | hey, cmkilger |
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| 14:45.35 | cmkilger | hey |
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| 14:48.31 | feutetejsd | morning, all |
| 14:48.49 | feutetejsd | which is to say, morning, both |
| 14:49.05 | cmkilger | good morning |
| 14:49.19 | cmkilger | I'm all ready for the keynote |
| 14:49.45 | feutetejsd | :D |
| 14:49.50 | feutetejsd | when does it start? |
| 14:50.00 | cmkilger | 11 |
| 14:50.06 | cmkilger | Mountain |
| 14:50.12 | feutetejsd | cool |
| 14:50.16 | cmkilger | it'll be 10 there |
| 14:50.35 | feutetejsd | right. what are the rumored accouncements? I haven't heard any |
| 14:51.00 | cmkilger | fishing off the Intel line |
| 14:52.18 | feutetejsd | ah. I haven't heard much the status of big names like photoshop being ported to intel....any new news on that? |
| 14:52.18 | cmkilger | that's the main one I think, and then there's a bunch of stuff which may or may not happen, mostly may not |
| 14:52.40 | cmkilger | I heard that Adobe said they were getting close |
| 14:56.55 | wps | I think Adobe was shooting for January-ish |
| 14:57.30 | cmkilger | got work to do, be back later |
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| 14:57.57 | wps | welcome, ArchAngelNix |
| 14:58.01 | ArchAngelNix | Howdy |
| 14:58.51 | ArchAngelNix | WWDC 2 hours! |
| 14:58.58 | wps | :) |
| 14:59.02 | ArchAngelNix | I am slightly excited... |
| 15:01.12 | wps | I am very interested to see changes to the UI of the OS and Apple Apps |
| 15:02.29 | feutetejsd | adobe is shooting for January 2007? |
| 15:03.04 | wps | no one knows for sure and Adoba won't say, but it'll be at least late this year or first of next |
| 15:03.08 | ArchAngelNix | That would be cool if they could. I'd imagine Apple is doing everything in their power to help get a universal of Adobe software |
| 15:03.24 | wps | s/Adoba/Adobe/ |
| 15:03.31 | feutetejsd | yeah, no kidding. i'm surprised it's taken them this long |
| 15:04.52 | ArchAngelNix | I skimed a few articles where the talked about the difficulty to do it, and why it is taking so long. I think it is an realistic estimate instead of just a wild date to keep customers from annoying them with an eta. |
| 15:06.09 | feutetejsd | yeah, I understand that it's not at all trivial to port something as complex as photoshop, but we've known that Apple was going to Intel for quite some time now |
| 15:06.21 | feutetejsd | maybe I'm just an instant gratification kind of guy |
| 15:09.42 | ArchAngelNix | :-) |
| 15:10.41 | wps | you see the photographs of the banners at the conference? |
| 15:10.45 | feutetejsd | nay |
| 15:10.49 | ArchAngelNix | Yes |
| 15:10.51 | wps | Hasta la vista, Vista |
| 15:11.02 | feutetejsd | LOL!!! |
| 15:11.02 | wps | Mac OS X Leapord: Vista 2.0 |
| 15:11.07 | feutetejsd | hehe |
| 15:11.17 | wps | Apple's good at pot-shots |
| 15:11.19 | wps | :) |
| 15:11.28 | wps | I love friendly banter |
| 15:11.52 | feutetejsd | oh, BTW wps...that presentation you gave at Linux Network a couple of weeks ago...do you happen to have any slides or anything from it? I'd love to see some of the content if I could |
| 15:13.16 | wps | there were no slides… it was all off-the-cuff |
| 15:13.30 | wps | I presented on what people asked for and where the conversation lead us |
| 15:13.36 | wps | sorry |
| 15:15.34 | ArchAngelNix | What presentation is this? |
| 15:16.40 | ArchAngelNix | Has there been any MUG meetings this summer? If so I haven't heard anything about them. |
| 15:20.47 | feutetejsd | d'oh well |
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| 15:23.30 | ArchAngelNix | Hello Lerp |
| 15:24.13 | Lerp | hi |
| 15:31.58 | ArchAngelNix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.33 | ArchAngelNix | Wps, is there a way to get IRC chats recorded on the server? |
| 15:56.04 | wps | ~byumug archives |
| 15:56.06 | jbot | byumug archives is, like, http://ibot.rikers.org/%23byumug/ |
| 15:56.09 | ArchAngelNix | To make an archive of chat info for everyone not just when I was on persay. |
| 15:56.16 | ArchAngelNix | Nice. |
| 15:58.09 | wps | one hour gentlemen |
| 15:58.46 | Lerp | YAHOO... VISTA 2.0 |
| 16:23.18 | ArchAngelNix | Isn't it interesting that in the time MS has taken to come out with Vista, Apple will have released 3 major OS revisions... Good work MS |
| 16:30.08 | Lerp | Apple Store offline! |
| 16:31.41 | ArchAngelNix | Is every one, save Lerp because I know he is, watching the Macrumors IRC? |
| 16:32.59 | wps | macrumors and ars |
| 16:38.39 | ArchAngelNix | Ars has an IRC? What is the info? |
| 16:41.04 | wps | irc.arstechnica.com |
| 16:41.10 | wps | #wwdc |
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| 16:56.11 | wps | welcome, jhmaughan |
| 16:56.16 | jhmaughan | hey there :) |
| 16:56.26 | jhmaughan | good to see you all for our semi annual online meeting :) |
| 16:56.35 | wps | here |
| 16:56.36 | ArchAngelNix | Ha, ha, ha... |
| 16:56.40 | wps | :) |
| 16:56.41 | Lerp | i'm all tingleie |
| 16:56.41 | wps | interesting |
| 16:56.56 | jhmaughan | i'm "watching" on www.macrumorslive.com |
| 16:56.57 | wps | macrumors is reporting that there are still several signs in the Moscone Center that are still covered up |
| 16:56.59 | jhmaughan | what you all youing? |
| 16:57.04 | wps | must be a good annoucnement |
| 16:57.05 | jhmaughan | *using |
| 16:57.26 | jhmaughan | this is like christmas |
| 16:57.31 | jhmaughan | i get too excited :) |
| 16:57.56 | jhmaughan | of course, i've been waiting for new Powermacs for a while |
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| 16:59.19 | jhmaughan | sup cory |
| 17:00.00 | jhmaughan | so what's up w/ Red hot clil peppers and apple? |
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| 17:00.57 | wps | it's begun |
| 17:01.24 | ArchAngelNix | They were just playing Daft Punk, I think they just have the iTunes music store set to random |
| 17:02.11 | Lerp | i wish i could have access to that playlist |
| 17:02.36 | jhmaughan | :) |
| 17:03.31 | ArchAngelNix | I think it is funny we all hudle around to read the transcription when we all know we are going to download the delayed stream any way. |
| 17:03.45 | jhmaughan | so we have jeremiah (me), wade, cory, and who else? |
| 17:03.57 | wps | for sure, ArchAngelNix |
| 17:03.57 | jhmaughan | no kidding :) |
| 17:03.58 | ArchAngelNix | Mike |
| 17:04.11 | jhmaughan | which mike? |
| 17:04.12 | Lerp | Matt |
| 17:04.23 | ArchAngelNix | Holley |
| 17:04.32 | jhmaughan | ah, sup man |
| 17:04.48 | jhmaughan | which matt? |
| 17:04.53 | wps | wow, it's a crowd in here |
| 17:04.53 | ArchAngelNix | Just taking a "late" lunch to watch the keynote |
| 17:05.00 | Lerp | Bridge Technologies Matt Shelley |
| 17:05.05 | jhmaughan | cool |
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| 17:05.49 | jhmaughan | who just entered? |
| 17:05.55 | guest_2732 | hi |
| 17:06.02 | guest_2732 | i m looking for node to connect to |
| 17:06.20 | jhmaughan | wps can answer that |
| 17:06.43 | wps | you want macrumors or ars technica? |
| 17:07.05 | guest_2732 | hum, i m new to it |
| 17:07.14 | guest_2732 | so, pleqse, recommend me |
| 17:07.25 | wps | do you have an IRC client already downloaded and installed? |
| 17:07.29 | ArchAngelNix | I couldn't connect to ars so I would recommend macrumors |
| 17:07.54 | Lerp | macrumorslive.com/web/ |
| 17:08.35 | wps | yes, I think the ars servers are maxed out |
| 17:09.08 | wps | at this point in the game though, I'd just forget IRC and just read the transcript: http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/ |
| 17:09.21 | ArchAngelNix | macrumors irc is irc.krono.net room #macrumors |
| 17:09.28 | Lerp | MAC PRO! |
| 17:09.35 | Lerp | all Xeon |
| 17:09.53 | wps | dual optical drives |
| 17:10.01 | feutetejsd | wheee!!!! |
| 17:10.12 | ArchAngelNix | Is is mulitp proc? |
| 17:10.24 | ArchAngelNix | Don't think I head that yet. |
| 17:10.33 | ArchAngelNix | Spoke too soon |
| 17:10.52 | wps | yes |
| 17:11.09 | ArchAngelNix | Quad Xeon running at 3 GHz with 4mb l2 cache... I can live with that. |
| 17:11.18 | Lerp | nice |
| 17:11.32 | feutetejsd | is that to say 2 Xeons that the OS sees as 2 procs each beacuse of hyperthreading? |
| 17:11.45 | Lerp | no HT |
| 17:11.51 | feutetejsd | so, 4 physical procs? |
| 17:11.53 | jhmaughan | oh snap |
| 17:11.54 | Lerp | all Dual Core |
| 17:12.03 | Lerp | 2 procs each Dual Core |
| 17:12.03 | ArchAngelNix | No. Two procs with two cores |
| 17:12.07 | feutetejsd | got it |
| 17:12.35 | ArchAngelNix | Now that is nice, a bigger bus |
| 17:12.44 | ArchAngelNix | 4 hds |
| 17:13.04 | Lerp | i Want 2 TB of HDD space |
| 17:13.04 | ArchAngelNix | 2 opticle drives, and 4 hds, nice... |
| 17:13.05 | jhmaughan | finally two optical drives |
| 17:13.06 | wps | 'bout dang time |
| 17:13.10 | jhmaughan | no kidding |
| 17:13.33 | jhmaughan | so these are or are not Xeon based? |
| 17:13.35 | jhmaughan | he said woodcrest right? |
| 17:13.35 | wps | yes |
| 17:13.36 | Lerp | xeon based |
| 17:14.10 | jhmaughan | so same case, that's not a problem or is it? |
| 17:14.43 | ArchAngelNix | Hmm... so we still can't have dual video card via sli? |
| 17:15.14 | wps | no… it's the sweetest cases ever |
| 17:15.21 | wps | just new insides |
| 17:15.31 | ArchAngelNix | I like the G5 case design. |
| 17:16.21 | jhmaughan | did they just say 256MB of RAM? |
| 17:16.30 | Lerp | yea |
| 17:16.33 | jhmaughan | LOL |
| 17:16.36 | wps | that's one of the old ones that he is about to make a comparison against |
| 17:16.38 | Lerp | i hope that is a mis print |
| 17:16.39 | jhmaughan | oh oh |
| 17:16.41 | jhmaughan | ha |
| 17:16.44 | jhmaughan | i was wondering |
| 17:16.47 | ArchAngelNix | I love the fact that Apple is actually cheaper, on the average, than everyone else, save the bottom basement machines. |
| 17:17.01 | wps | yeah… but no one can see that for some reason |
| 17:17.07 | wps | wow! |
| 17:17.09 | wps | ships today! |
| 17:17.25 | ArchAngelNix | No kidding. All they see is "Dell sells one for $400" |
| 17:17.34 | ArchAngelNix | If I had money! |
| 17:17.59 | wps | anyone want to buy a used 2.7? |
| 17:18.03 | wps | eh? eh? eh? |
| 17:18.05 | Lerp | hahah |
| 17:18.08 | ArchAngelNix | Ships today, backordered tomorrow, and received in two months. |
| 17:18.17 | jhmaughan | LOL |
| 17:18.19 | jhmaughan | GOOD CALL |
| 17:18.32 | wps | no kidding, ArchAngelNix :) |
| 17:18.38 | wps | sweet… new xserves |
| 17:18.52 | jhmaughan | Jobs is right, no one could pull this off |
| 17:19.02 | jhmaughan | the quick transition |
| 17:19.03 | ArchAngelNix | It seems of late the xServes were ignored, nice to see an update. |
| 17:19.07 | jhmaughan | i guess it hleps to control it all |
| 17:19.11 | ArchAngelNix | Yep |
| 17:19.17 | wps | they've really been ignored |
| 17:19.55 | ArchAngelNix | Nice.. 5x speed boost |
| 17:20.23 | jhmaughan | wow |
| 17:21.21 | Lerp | how are they getting 5 TB in a 1u? |
| 17:21.23 | wps | redundant power |
| 17:21.34 | wps | no kidding |
| 17:21.37 | wps | I want to see this case |
| 17:21.39 | jhmaughan | so did they say the price on the Mac Pro? |
| 17:21.44 | ArchAngelNix | I love the fact that Intel is so cool that they can add stuff without changing the size |
| 17:21.45 | wps | not that I saw |
| 17:22.07 | wps | wahoo… not they are on to Mac OS |
| 17:22.33 | ArchAngelNix | I wonder if Macbook Pro will get memron today. |
| 17:23.34 | Lerp | i'm doubting it |
| 17:23.41 | Lerp | but would be happy to see it |
| 17:26.18 | jhmaughan | LOL Jobs is funny what he pushes |
| 17:26.24 | wps | wow… they are directly comparing Tiger to Vista (screen shots) |
| 17:26.49 | jhmaughan | notice, it says "lots more announcements during the next week" |
| 17:27.23 | ArchAngelNix | I think over the years Jobs has gotten a bit more bold making fun of the largest Mac software developer. |
| 17:27.39 | jhmaughan | no kidding... |
| 17:27.41 | jhmaughan | brb |
| 17:28.17 | wps | wow… they're really pushing this copying bit |
| 17:28.35 | wps | I am surprised they are taking it this far |
| 17:28.44 | wps | must be gearing up for something good |
| 17:30.17 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 17:30.31 | wps | they have a slew of features that they are not going to show off because they don't want MS to copy them! |
| 17:30.49 | Lerp | nice |
| 17:30.53 | wps | and those features are missing from the developer previews |
| 17:30.55 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 17:31.40 | ArchAngelNix | This is great. |
| 17:31.46 | ArchAngelNix | Nativly 64bit? |
| 17:31.57 | ArchAngelNix | Cool |
| 17:33.31 | ArchAngelNix | It kind of sucks that we wont see all the cool features, but it is a good idea not to show everything off yet. |
| 17:34.02 | ArchAngelNix | I wonder if they are implementing a roll back system like Windows. |
| 17:34.36 | wps | sounds like it… which would be a feature that Window had first |
| 17:35.41 | ArchAngelNix | But of course Apple has to change it. It backups on the fly, whenever a file is edited. |
| 17:35.57 | Lerp | i like that! |
| 17:37.48 | ArchAngelNix | That will be nice since I have backup software but I always forget to turn it on. |
| 17:38.59 | ArchAngelNix | So it sounds like it is a current backup, but an archive. I can go back 3 days even though I made an edit yesterday. |
| 17:39.20 | ArchAngelNix | isn't a current backup |
| 17:41.03 | wps | this is going to be great for someone like me that is delete-happy |
| 17:43.16 | wps | ha ha… app crashed |
| 17:43.33 | wps | boot camp ships as part of 10.5 |
| 17:44.01 | ArchAngelNix | I can see the head line, 2 months from now, "Great Microsoft innovation in Vista, TimeTravel backup feature..." |
| 17:44.33 | wps | virtual desktops |
| 17:44.45 | Lerp | sweet |
| 17:45.03 | ArchAngelNix | So Front Row is being built into the OS? That means my G5 can now run Front Row? |
| 17:45.13 | wps | sounds like it |
| 17:45.13 | Lerp | i guess so |
| 17:45.21 | ArchAngelNix | Yeah for Virtual Desktops. |
| 17:45.32 | ArchAngelNix | But I wonder how it compares with VirtueDesktop |
| 17:46.23 | Lerp | the Mac pro has 256 mb VRAM no ram |
| 17:46.30 | Lerp | 1GB standard RAM now |
| 17:48.25 | ArchAngelNix | So they call Virtual desktops "Spaces"? |
| 17:48.29 | wps | yes |
| 17:49.25 | Lerp | search other machine in spotlight... cool |
| 17:50.11 | ArchAngelNix | Can be. My current gripe about Spotlight is it has to spin up the HD before displaying results. Takes too long. |
| 17:50.13 | wps | they are touting it as a app launcher |
| 17:50.27 | wps | I never use it |
| 17:50.55 | ArchAngelNix | Neither do I. I just Quicksilver for launching apps, and I know where I keep my files. |
| 17:51.17 | wps | I use the dock and the applications folder for launching apps :) |
| 17:53.06 | wps | show of spaces: http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2006/08/dsc_0534.jpg |
| 17:54.42 | wps | I can't wait to try spaces |
| 17:54.57 | wps | being able to drags apps/windows from one desktop to another |
| 17:56.58 | ArchAngelNix | Finally a computer voice that sounds real. |
| 17:57.04 | wps | REALLY??? |
| 17:57.05 | wps | no way |
| 17:57.14 | wps | that is one of my biggest criticisms of computers |
| 17:57.26 | wps | it's 2006!!!! and the voices are the same as they were on my Mac Plus in '85 |
| 17:57.44 | ArchAngelNix | That is what they are saying with Voiceover. |
| 17:58.09 | ArchAngelNix | "Sounds like a real person reading" |
| 17:58.15 | wps | major enhancement to mail |
| 17:58.38 | wps | gag |
| 17:58.43 | wps | they are bloating it up |
| 17:58.51 | wps | why do you need stationary for creating emails? |
| 17:59.04 | ArchAngelNix | Company letter head kind of stationary? |
| 17:59.18 | ArchAngelNix | Spamming? |
| 17:59.22 | wps | spamming |
| 17:59.35 | ArchAngelNix | I mean mass emailing |
| 17:59.43 | wps | girly, cute HTML emails for emailing pics to grandma |
| 17:59.57 | Lerp | my wife will love it. |
| 18:01.33 | wps | nice |
| 18:01.37 | wps | one system wide to do tracker |
| 18:01.46 | wps | now that's a good feature |
| 18:02.18 | wps | can take any incoming mail message and turn it into a to-do |
| 18:02.37 | ArchAngelNix | I will use that. |
| 18:03.48 | ArchAngelNix | I wonder if these stationary templates are editable... |
| 18:07.57 | wps | dashcode released |
| 18:08.01 | wps | _finally_ |
| 18:08.28 | wps | I wonder when they are going to add some simple key features to the OS, like being able to lock the work station with a keystroke |
| 18:08.57 | ArchAngelNix | Did you request it as a feature. |
| 18:08.59 | ArchAngelNix | ? |
| 18:09.07 | wps | apple doesn't take solicitations |
| 18:09.30 | wps | interesting… there is now a "way to turn any part of any web page into a widget |
| 18:11.00 | ArchAngelNix | Apple does too take features requests. You just have to find the right form for it. |
| 18:11.18 | wps | point me in the right direction please |
| 18:11.35 | Lerp | crap... i have to leave. hope i don't miss anything big |
| 18:11.48 | Lerp | Nix... Call me if anything big comes out |
| 18:12.03 | ArchAngelNix | k |
| 18:13.22 | ArchAngelNix | http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/ |
| 18:15.17 | Lerp | built in tabbed chats! |
| 18:15.23 | Lerp | bye bye Chax |
| 18:15.31 | ArchAngelNix | I am curious if Apple just implamented Chax into ichat? |
| 18:15.55 | wps | what is chax? |
| 18:16.05 | Lerp | iChat xetnsions |
| 18:16.48 | ArchAngelNix | Makes iChat worth using |
| 18:17.16 | ArchAngelNix | Does it sound like they are building in whiteboard features into iChat. |
| 18:18.38 | ArchAngelNix | They are building in Photobooth effects into iChat. Great a video chat will never be the same. |
| 18:19.11 | wps | I'll never use iChat until they de-fluff the UI |
| 18:19.18 | wps | it takes up WAY too much screen real estate |
| 18:20.01 | ArchAngelNix | True. |
| 18:20.13 | ArchAngelNix | That is why you needs "Spaces"... |
| 18:20.37 | Lerp | the background thing sounds cool |
| 18:20.40 | ArchAngelNix | Yeah |
| 18:20.42 | Lerp | auto masks your siloette |
| 18:20.50 | ArchAngelNix | I thought you had to leave. |
| 18:21.04 | Lerp | in a few more min |
| 18:24.20 | wps | wahoo!!! |
| 18:24.26 | wps | parental controls enhanced! |
| 18:24.36 | wps | oh, wait… I don't really care about that |
| 18:24.41 | Lerp | haha |
| 18:24.53 | wps | 10.5 in spring |
| 18:25.03 | Lerp | poopy |
| 18:25.24 | Lerp | one more thing? |
| 18:26.01 | Lerp | dang |
| 18:26.08 | ArchAngelNix | Nope |
| 18:26.09 | Lerp | oh well... no Merom for now |
| 18:26.12 | wps | dang, no one-more-thing :( |
| 18:26.12 | Lerp | later all |
| 18:28.27 | ArchAngelNix | Back to work. |
| 18:30.14 | jhmaughan | latez |
| 18:30.40 | wps | http://www.apple.com/macpro/ |
| 18:31.06 | wps | home: http://www.apple.com/ |
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| 18:34.00 | wps | stores up |
| 18:41.54 | wps | no way |
| 18:42.00 | wps | the HDs in the Mac Pro are in bays |
| 18:42.11 | wps | like the hot-swappable kind in a server |
| 18:42.23 | feutetejsd | nice |
| 18:48.26 | wps | holy crap |
| 18:48.32 | wps | time machine's UI is crazy |
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