| 00:13.19 | SportChick | [dmp] ducati match? |
| 00:13.40 | [dmp] | nope, i need to go to bed very soon |
| 00:14.05 | SportChick | okies |
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| 06:40.50 | CBG | [dmp] still need help? email me cannonballguy@bzflag.be |
| 06:41.04 | CBG | we have builders in the house today so I must turn off my iBook |
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| 07:31.34 | SportChick | hi thono :) |
| 07:31.39 | Thonolan | oh |
| 07:31.45 | Thonolan | hi SportChick |
| 07:31.48 | Thonolan | n:) |
| 07:32.13 | Thonolan | it must be late there |
| 07:32.20 | SportChick | yes |
| 07:32.29 | SportChick | but bernie woulnd't let me go to sleep until after midnight :) |
| 07:32.34 | Thonolan | hehe |
| 07:32.52 | SportChick | he is hard to say "no" to |
| 07:33.04 | Thonolan | :) |
| 07:33.16 | SportChick | how are you? |
| 07:33.24 | Thonolan | but now you are tired |
| 07:33.27 | SportChick | any better? |
| 07:33.28 | Thonolan | iam k thx |
| 07:33.35 | Thonolan | nope :/ |
| 07:33.50 | SportChick | I am never too tired to talk to you, thono |
| 07:34.12 | Thonolan | ah i know that thank you |
| 07:34.34 | Thonolan | but it must be 2 am ther ! |
| 07:34.40 | SportChick | no |
| 07:34.45 | SportChick | only 12:30 :) |
| 07:34.52 | Thonolan | :) |
| 07:35.28 | Thonolan | so we have 9 hours difference? |
| 07:35.32 | SportChick | yes |
| 07:35.49 | SportChick | do you have to go to work today? |
| 07:35.58 | Thonolan | yes lateshift |
| 07:35.59 | SportChick | hehe |
| 07:36.01 | SportChick | ahh |
| 07:36.11 | Thonolan | and i need to go to the vet |
| 07:36.16 | Thonolan | with sue |
| 07:36.33 | Thonolan | friday she will have a operation |
| 07:36.37 | SportChick | oh? |
| 07:36.37 | Thonolan | :( |
| 07:36.44 | SportChick | what is wrong? :( |
| 07:36.46 | Thonolan | yes cancer come back |
| 07:36.51 | SportChick | ohhh :( |
| 07:36.58 | SportChick | I am sorry :( |
| 07:37.07 | Thonolan | we steal her from a bad home |
| 07:37.11 | Thonolan | 3 month ago |
| 07:37.23 | Thonolan | with an big tumor |
| 07:37.31 | Thonolan | we let hte vet fix |
| 07:37.39 | Thonolan | but now again :/ |
| 07:38.06 | Thonolan | but she has so much fun ti life |
| 07:38.09 | Thonolan | to |
| 07:38.18 | Thonolan | and till yet no pain |
| 07:38.22 | SportChick | :( |
| 07:38.41 | Thonolan | we will hope the best |
| 07:38.53 | SportChick | yes, me too:) |
| 07:38.58 | Thonolan | she deserve all help i can give |
| 07:39.03 | Thonolan | thank you :) |
| 07:39.13 | SportChick | :) |
| 07:40.00 | Thonolan | ok i need to go and you better sleep :) |
| 07:40.09 | Thonolan | ill try to come online |
| 07:40.13 | SportChick | ok suesser |
| 07:40.15 | Thonolan | after shift |
| 07:40.17 | SportChick | cu later :) |
| 07:40.20 | Thonolan | good nite :) |
| 07:40.23 | SportChick | I hope it goes well today |
| 07:40.40 | Thonolan | ah yes i will work for it ;) |
| 07:40.44 | Thonolan | hehe |
| 07:40.47 | Thonolan | good nite |
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| 13:55.48 | SportChick | wow, an admi sighting and I missed it! bah! |
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| 16:29.17 | NessyBot | ::ducati:: Sep 19 16:26 => Vitamin bz:7, Bz-Incorporated:2 @ http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=fights#3708 |
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| 17:09.18 | NessyBot | ::bzi:: 2 x so @ http://bzi.bzleague.com/2006/09/2-x-so.html |
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| 18:48.31 | CBG | hey! |
| 18:48.33 | CBG | that hurts!! |
| 18:49.21 | [dmp] | :) |
| 18:49.27 | [dmp] | got an question -.. again :) |
| 18:49.43 | CBG | ok :) |
| 18:50.25 | [dmp] | as you are probably the most skilled css'er i know, you are my target when it comes to that :) |
| 18:51.34 | jh` | really |
| 18:51.35 | [dmp] | do you know of any articles/guides/etc that explains what to consider when building html pages (just html) with the purporse of beign easy to layout via css (like csszendgarden) |
| 18:51.39 | jh` | can i see some sites? |
| 18:51.49 | jh` | cbg? |
| 18:53.20 | CBG | uhmm, dont really have anything to show, jh` |
| 18:53.28 | jh` | lol |
| 18:53.33 | jh` | ok |
| 18:53.38 | CBG | meacan: hmm, cannot think of anything |
| 18:53.52 | CBG | I learnt basic css at ww3schools.com |
| 18:53.57 | CBG | but nothing like you asked :( |
| 18:54.03 | Xe11 | [dmp]: are you thinking of something like this: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/page_layouts/ |
| 18:54.44 | [dmp] | Xe11: Nope not really. Its not syntax or how to. Let me explain myself abit better :) |
| 18:55.16 | jh` | i have done html-css-php for work |
| 18:55.40 | [dmp] | I like to, sometime in the future, to create a webchat, that webmaster can sign up and use for free. To make the webchat match their site, my idea is to use css. So they can either use a (set of) default css or supply their own. |
| 18:55.58 | [dmp] | But for it to work properly, the html needs to be easy "themable" |
| 18:56.29 | [dmp] | if i look at csszendgarden they use alot of tricks, and their site is very "themable" |
| 18:56.44 | CBG | oh, I see |
| 18:56.50 | Xe11 | yea, i understand what you mean |
| 18:56.56 | jh` | i have always used tables for layout |
| 18:56.56 | CBG | hmm, google didn't get anything? |
| 18:57.11 | [dmp] | but how to make html code that is as flexible.. i dont know |
| 18:57.15 | [dmp] | CBG: not yet |
| 18:57.22 | jh` | right or wrong who cares i was teached that way |
| 18:57.28 | [dmp] | CBG: just generic do-this-or-that-articles |
| 18:57.45 | CBG | jh`: using divs+ css is just better in so many ways, and easier too, imho |
| 18:58.13 | jh` | how long you been doing css+html? |
| 18:58.34 | [dmp] | I find tables easier to use. But CSS is neat so i try (and ask :) ) |
| 18:58.39 | CBG | HTML - about 5-6 years I guess, CSS, maybe 4? |
| 18:58.46 | Xe11 | CBG: agreed. Why tables when you have css? :) |
| 18:59.04 | CBG | tables were only ever intended for holding tabular data |
| 18:59.30 | jh` | duh! |
| 19:00.02 | CBG | So to use it for page layout/presentation is just... WRONG. |
| 19:00.04 | jh` | well, this place i worked in, a company that does websites, they do it with tables |
| 19:00.21 | CBG | o.O |
| 19:00.29 | jh` | i dont think it makes lot of difference |
| 19:00.44 | Xe11 | the sense of css is the division of content and layout |
| 19:01.22 | jh` | table or div...who cares |
| 19:01.25 | jh` | lol |
| 19:01.28 | CBG | jh`: tell that to a disabled person :) |
| 19:01.39 | [dmp] | CBG: and hope he isnt deaf :) |
| 19:01.41 | CBG | one who can't view a site because it was built with tables |
| 19:01.46 | CBG | hehe meacan |
| 19:02.07 | jh` | what u mean cbg |
| 19:02.21 | jh` | blah |
| 19:02.26 | Xe11 | i think he menas textbrowsers |
| 19:02.39 | Xe11 | like lynx |
| 19:02.48 | [dmp] | or the applications that reads a website |
| 19:02.48 | jh` | hmm |
| 19:03.07 | [dmp] | people navigating without keyboard and mouse |
| 19:03.09 | [dmp] | .. etc |
| 19:03.25 | Xe11 | i even _have_ to use text browsers from time to time :) |
| 19:03.39 | jh` | and tables dont work in em? |
| 19:03.53 | Xe11 | only in some of them |
| 19:04.00 | Xe11 | mostly not |
| 19:04.13 | jh` | what u think of this site |
| 19:04.17 | jh` | www.wartti.fo |
| 19:04.20 | jh` | www.wartti.fi |
| 19:04.22 | jh` | i mean |
| 19:04.55 | Xe11 | ugh frames |
| 19:04.57 | Xe11 | :) |
| 19:05.03 | CBG | the menu is broken for me |
| 19:05.09 | CBG | it's not on one line :/ |
| 19:05.43 | [dmp] | jh`: Like the design, very clean and nice |
| 19:06.02 | Xe11 | yea, the design is well done |
| 19:06.15 | Xe11 | but it should be css instead of frames |
| 19:06.17 | Xe11 | :) |
| 19:06.20 | CBG | also don't see what the buttons say, they are so small |
| 19:06.55 | [dmp] | jh`: did you do the design? or the company |
| 19:07.07 | jh` | i just coded it |
| 19:07.45 | jh` | there are no frames in it |
| 19:07.49 | Xe11 | really? |
| 19:07.51 | Xe11 | hmm |
| 19:08.00 | Xe11 | now thats weird |
| 19:08.23 | CBG | the whole site is in a big frame |
| 19:08.23 | [dmp] | there seems to be one |
| 19:08.27 | CBG | but it you go to the page in the frame, it redirects back where you started immediately :/ |
| 19:08.35 | jh` | oops there is frame |
| 19:09.05 | CBG | probably not in your original code |
| 19:09.12 | jh` | but not in my orinal coding, the boss put it in frame |
| 19:09.22 | [dmp] | CBG: not with opera. I can surf the site "directly" |
| 19:09.25 | jh` | for some reason |
| 19:09.30 | CBG | uh, ok :/ |
| 19:09.49 | jh` | how bout this |
| 19:09.58 | jh` | www.hi-vision.fi |
| 19:10.40 | jh` | you can see the source |
| 19:10.53 | CBG | I see tables... and <font> :( |
| 19:11.27 | jh` | so? |
| 19:11.35 | Xe11 | the layout looks very professional to me, thoug |
| 19:12.12 | jh` | well the layout was done with tables in that company, it was like an order |
| 19:12.17 | CBG | <font> was never a real HTML tag :| |
| 19:12.23 | CBG | silly company |
| 19:12.27 | jh` | little things |
| 19:12.38 | jh` | it works |
| 19:12.46 | jh` | what more do u want lol |
| 19:12.47 | CBG | not for all browsers |
| 19:13.00 | CBG | only in IE originally |
| 19:13.01 | jh` | at least for firefox and ie |
| 19:13.04 | CBG | microsoft made it up |
| 19:13.06 | jh` | tested |
| 19:13.17 | jh` | and opera |
| 19:13.24 | CBG | then other browsers let it go too so that people's site would not break |
| 19:13.32 | CBG | but it was never real code |
| 19:13.39 | CBG | soon browsers won't support it, I think |
| 19:14.03 | jh` | i do |
| 19:14.03 | jh` | lol |
| 19:14.26 | jh` | to be honest i dont see much sites made with divs out there |
| 19:14.43 | Xe11 | 1vs1.bzleague.com ;) |
| 19:14.49 | CBG | Well, it is compliant that way. |
| 19:15.01 | CBG | I hate to see code used wrongly :( |
| 19:15.08 | CBG | kind of a pet peeve of mine |
| 19:16.21 | jh` | well like i said, thats the way the company did layout, if it doesnt please u ...whatever |
| 19:17.05 | jh` | and how long have u doing sites? |
| 19:17.14 | jh` | and wheres the example? |
| 19:17.46 | CBG | example? ummmmm |
| 19:17.52 | jh` | or are just talking bs |
| 19:17.57 | CBG | ...... |
| 19:18.38 | CBG | Ok, here is a design I made in a few minutes about 6 months ago: http://cbg.bzflag.org/ |
| 19:20.01 | Xe11 | CBG: i'm afraid that hover effect can't be seen by IE users |
| 19:20.02 | Xe11 | ? |
| 19:20.17 | CBG | tough. IE should rot in hell anyway. |
| 19:20.25 | jh` | hah |
| 19:20.32 | jh` | hover doesnt even work |
| 19:20.34 | CBG | IE is so messed up I should probably add a hack to make it work there |
| 19:20.34 | Xe11 | but mot of hte people have it :) |
| 19:20.36 | Xe11 | *mos |
| 19:20.39 | CBG | jh`: get a real browser |
| 19:20.39 | Xe11 | *most |
| 19:20.48 | CBG | yeah, as I said, it only took me a few mins |
| 19:21.08 | CBG | it would take me the same amount of time again, just to make it work for shitty browsers |
| 19:21.19 | jh` | 2 mins? |
| 19:21.22 | jh` | ok do it then |
| 19:21.35 | [dmp] | well, the idea with css as design / html as structure is nice. But realworld isnt always well suited for the "right" standards. |
| 19:21.35 | jh` | i'll look back in 2 mins |
| 19:21.46 | CBG | jh`: uhh, no thanks |
| 19:22.01 | CBG | it takes 2 mins to open my ftp client |
| 19:22.05 | jh` | thats quite right dmp |
| 19:22.41 | jh` | i was working with a real pro and he told me to use tables, must have some reason for it |
| 19:22.58 | CBG | stupidity? :) |
| 19:23.10 | jh` | no, he was far from that |
| 19:23.16 | [dmp] | and browserbugs (and all browsers got bugs) aint making it easier. CSS needs to mature and browser needs fixing. |
| 19:23.31 | CBG | Everything is perfect EXCEPT for IE. |
| 19:23.48 | jh` | yes, the browser 95% of ppl use |
| 19:23.51 | CBG | If IE was just removed from existence there would be no issue. |
| 19:23.54 | jh` | think about that |
| 19:23.57 | CBG | Only out of ignorance. |
| 19:24.01 | CBG | Not by choice... |
| 19:24.22 | jh` | lol |
| 19:24.27 | CBG | Oh, what's up meacan? |
| 19:24.28 | jh` | test my sites also |
| 19:24.42 | Xe11 | [dmp]: right. I think in future, css will become far more popular |
| 19:24.54 | Xe11 | at least i hope it will |
| 19:24.56 | [dmp] | CBG: "Your browser is crap, use Safari (Mac OS) or Firefox (Any Operating System)." |
| 19:25.06 | jh` | lol |
| 19:25.47 | CBG | Heh, opera doesn't support color: transparent; |
| 19:26.01 | CBG | that is a pretty new CSS feature, so, ok ;) |
| 19:26.43 | jh` | dmp? |
| 19:26.47 | jh` | did u test my sites? |
| 19:27.16 | [dmp] | jh`: the two links you posted before? Didnt see any problem |
| 19:28.25 | Xe11 | btw., you can test your sites with others browsers via http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ and http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ |
| 19:29.47 | jh` | see cbg |
| 19:30.12 | jh` | play with you divs pros know what they do |
| 19:30.43 | CBG | ..? |
| 19:31.54 | jh` | oh wait...maybe we should test with text browsers too, only like 1 of a million use it, probably it would still work |
| 19:33.38 | Xe11 | jh`: no offense, tables work just fine, but with css the page would still work for that 1 of a million users |
| 19:33.52 | Xe11 | maybe thats what CBG wanted to say |
| 19:34.18 | jh` | those pages have big css files for your info xell |
| 19:34.29 | jh` | but not layout divs |
| 19:34.57 | Xe11 | i'm talking about css instead of tables, not additionally |
| 19:35.33 | jh` | i dunno |
| 19:36.37 | jh` | have u ever done pages for living xell? |
| 19:37.06 | Xe11 | yea, http://1vs1.bzleague.com |
| 19:37.15 | jh` | i mean pro sites |
| 19:37.42 | jh` | btw |
| 19:37.52 | jh` | 1vs1 site has a problem |
| 19:37.54 | Xe11 | no, but css isn't only for simple pages |
| 19:38.03 | Xe11 | oh, which one? |
| 19:38.14 | Xe11 | the zelo? |
| 19:38.30 | jh` | when i tried to register with ie, could not do that |
| 19:38.38 | jh` | with mozilla it worked |
| 19:38.42 | CBG | haha |
| 19:38.46 | CBG | yes, ie sucks. |
| 19:38.47 | jh` | lol |
| 19:38.48 | CBG | we covered that |
| 19:38.50 | Xe11 | oh thats bad |
| 19:39.00 | Xe11 | didn't know that yet, noone told me |
| 19:39.28 | jh` | i think karlik had same problem |
| 19:40.32 | Xe11 | uhm she should write me a mial then, so i can fix it :( |
| 19:40.33 | jh` | when i tried to select a nick in the registration page |
| 19:40.35 | jh` | with ie |
| 19:40.39 | jh` | i selected it |
| 19:41.10 | jh` | then pushed register, there was error msg: you have to select a nick |
| 19:41.17 | jh` | or callsign |
| 19:41.28 | jh` | i tried like 10 times |
| 19:41.48 | Xe11 | hmm |
| 19:41.48 | jh` | but with mozilla , firefox there was no prob |
| 19:42.09 | Xe11 | i'll keep that in mind for the next tourny :) |
| 19:42.17 | jh` | ok |
| 19:42.28 | Xe11 | the problem is, i got no IE to check things like that |
| 19:42.30 | jh` | did you test with ie? |
| 19:42.37 | jh` | duh |
| 19:42.46 | jh` | you use linux? |
| 19:42.49 | Xe11 | yea |
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| 19:51.22 | jh` | wonder how many ppl here are windows and how many unix users |
| 19:52.45 | Birdie | windows! |
| 19:53.58 | jh` | same here, but im familiar with unix also |
| 19:55.08 | Birdie | ah i'm not:) |
| 19:55.15 | Birdie | i stick to one and try to master it |
| 19:55.18 | Birdie | although i'm a noob in windows |
| 19:55.23 | jh` | lol |
| 19:57.08 | [dmp] | linux (suave too) |
| 19:57.35 | [dmp] | got windows in vmware, but mainly to test sites with IE and some other small apps |
| 19:57.47 | Birdie | i'm not such master in pc stuff, so i better stay at windows:) |
| 19:58.44 | jh` | you do sites dmp? |
| 19:59.05 | [dmp] | jh`: yep. But i try with all efforts to avoid designing them |
| 19:59.24 | jh` | you mean the look? |
| 19:59.29 | jh` | graphics |
| 19:59.33 | [dmp] | Birdie: suave is no computer wiz either. And she uses and prefers gnome now |
| 19:59.48 | [dmp] | jh`: yes, graphics, colorscheme etc, styling etc |
| 19:59.53 | Birdie | but its more "clicky" or more "commands"? |
| 20:00.04 | [dmp] | jh`: im more interested in the coding/backend |
| 20:00.06 | jh` | php also? |
| 20:00.21 | CBG | unix |
| 20:00.22 | [dmp] | have been using that for years, but is turning to ruby |
| 20:00.26 | jh` | php is coolest |
| 20:00.49 | [dmp] | php gets the job done |
| 20:00.55 | [dmp] | but it suffers from its background |
| 20:01.14 | Birdie | gtg cu |
| 20:01.24 | jh` | well its pretty effecient |
| 20:03.01 | [dmp] | yep |
| 20:03.04 | [dmp] | and got a large community |
| 20:03.06 | [dmp] | in good and bad |
| 20:03.10 | [dmp] | its mature |
| 20:03.14 | [dmp] | well supported |
| 20:03.16 | [dmp] | old |
| 20:03.20 | jh` | and free |
| 20:03.20 | [dmp] | poorly designed :) |
| 20:03.21 | jh` | lol |
| 20:03.28 | [dmp] | yeah |
| 20:03.39 | jh` | so whats so good about ruby |
| 20:04.21 | [dmp] | its more my style. Its pure-OO got a very clean syntax too. |
| 20:04.36 | [dmp] | (but it pure-oo comes with a performance cost) |
| 20:04.39 | jh` | to be honest i dont know shit about it |
| 20:04.45 | jh` | can u give me url? |
| 20:04.49 | [dmp] | ruby-lang.org |
| 20:05.13 | [dmp] | its very hot in asia (and originates from there) |
| 20:06.01 | [dmp] | but im not black/white about it. PHP isnt all bad, Ruby isnt all good :) |
| 20:07.35 | [dmp] | its still the coder that needs to write the code and make the applicatoin/site/whatever. The language is just the tool to get there. |
| 20:07.41 | jh` | www.ruby-lang.org |
| 20:08.14 | jh` | so this is some new thing |
| 20:08.48 | [dmp] | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.55 | jh` | lol |
| 20:09.05 | jh` | i have never heard of it |
| 20:09.17 | jh` | maybe its not used here |
| 20:10.00 | [dmp] | in a book they say that ruby is used mostly in asia and is new to us/europe. |
| 20:10.10 | jh` | ok |
| 20:10.14 | [dmp] | however, the reverse is true when it comes to python |
| 20:11.19 | jh` | im not expert in unix or linux, i just use it as server |
| 20:12.00 | jh` | where to build pages |
| 20:12.54 | [dmp] | ruby is a general language, not designed for web like php |
| 20:13.08 | jh` | ok |
| 20:13.21 | jh` | how long u been using it |
| 20:13.54 | [dmp] | 1½ months or so |
| 20:14.00 | [dmp] | so im stil learning |
| 20:14.02 | jh` | lol |
| 20:14.06 | jh` | not for long |
| 20:14.08 | [dmp] | still get the "if this was php i could just.." |
| 20:14.10 | [dmp] | nope |
| 20:14.53 | [dmp] | i've been using php since 1999 or so |
| 20:14.58 | [dmp] | so there is alot of catching up :) |
| 20:15.08 | jh` | lot longer than me |
| 20:15.38 | jh` | for work or for hobby? |
| 20:15.43 | jh` | theres a difference |
| 20:17.02 | [dmp] | i started with perl while working for a company that made me maintain a .gov site. Then i wanted to make a site of my own, so it was natural to use perl. However after some months my host told me that they would really prefer that I used php because their perl was not that stable. So I did |
| 20:17.12 | [dmp] | then i got hired by a company to do php scripting |
| 20:17.19 | [dmp] | now i only do it freelance |
| 20:17.55 | [dmp] | which mainly means that i have to fix whatever someone else messed up |
| 20:19.10 | [dmp] | have gotten tasks where the programmer have given me his code, because he couldnt make his code work anymore :) |
| 20:19.13 | jh` | lol ok |
| 20:19.20 | [dmp] | so, not all "pro" php scripters are good. |
| 20:19.27 | jh` | is that a programmer? |
| 20:19.27 | [dmp] | in fact, most are not |
| 20:19.28 | jh` | lol |
| 20:19.43 | [dmp] | depends :) |
| 20:20.29 | [dmp] | (btw found an article that might help me answer my question ) |
| 20:21.23 | jh` | i could never sink so low |
| 20:21.33 | jh` | to call another person fix my code |
| 20:22.11 | jh` | i dont care how long it would take, or if i would have to stay up all nite i would fix it |
| 20:22.59 | [dmp] | the code is a mess. and sometimes the deadline is too close. But to be hornest, I would never hire him |
| 20:23.43 | [dmp] | thats actually scary |
| 20:23.50 | jh` | what is |
| 20:23.58 | [dmp] | many many internet based companies are rubbish |
| 20:24.14 | [dmp] | internet designers not knowing html, php programmers not knowing php |
| 20:24.23 | [dmp] | webhotels that cant configure their php |
| 20:24.25 | [dmp] | etc |
| 20:24.30 | jh` | maybe |
| 20:24.41 | [dmp] | i've lost faith in the danish internet biz :) |
| 20:25.01 | jh` | do you know well html and css? |
| 20:26.26 | [dmp] | i know html very well. I know css too. but isnt that experienced in using it |
| 20:27.17 | [dmp] | look at: postlist.org, jegelskerdig.dk (old site - uses tables and very horrible htmlcode), erklaering.dk .. that'll probably show you more than i like :) |
| 20:27.30 | [dmp] | i only know html/css because its needed when i code sites up |
| 20:27.32 | [dmp] | so its handy |
| 20:27.41 | [dmp] | i have no intention of using it professionally |
| 20:27.42 | jh` | i coded like 300 pro pages in the last job i worked, html-css templates |
| 20:28.01 | jh` | it became a routine |
| 20:28.10 | [dmp] | ~jh++ |
| 20:28.18 | jh` | what |
| 20:28.23 | [dmp] | "templates" |
| 20:28.38 | jh` | for one project |
| 20:29.06 | jh` | only the html look etc. |
| 20:29.11 | [dmp] | i always try to seperate html from the code itself (MVC pattern) |
| 20:29.18 | [dmp] | anyway, i need that shower :) |
| 20:29.26 | jh` | okay |
| 20:29.29 | jh` | see you |
| 20:29.34 | [dmp] | cu |
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