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18:40.58*** topic/#bzchat is Welcome to BZChat; the place to talk about your favorite tank game BZFLAG || http://bzflag.org || Forums http://my.bzflag.org/bb || http://my.bzflag.org/w/MapMaking || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/GettingHelp || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Download || non bzflag chat yields to bzflag chat yields to bzflag help. be kind and civil.
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19:30.00lol_ucan and admin on the map INCOMING please help me and the players?
19:30.44lol_uthis person named JBHRangersFan keeps cussing and /poll's are never successful and keeps critisizing people and keeps being racist
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19:32.15bz15hm
19:32.18bz15welcome
19:32.46bz15eh
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19:35.39Drummaster01hi
19:36.05Drummaster01yeah
19:36.12Drummaster01what happened?
19:36.32Drummaster01i cant log onto bzflag now
19:36.43Drummaster01nbye..
19:36.47Drummaster01bye...
19:37.00Drummaster01HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:37.11Drummaster01anyone here?
19:37.55Drummaster01HELLO
19:38.13Drummaster01ECHO
19:49.42Winnyheh
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21:18.09bz85There we go.. found a name
21:18.33JeffMname?
21:18.41bz85Anyone available to give some advice on a tech issue?
21:18.54JeffMsure
21:18.56bz85yeh - ones i was using were registered :x
21:19.05bz85and ty JeffM
21:19.36bz85im getting a UDP error on joining any bz game server.. was fine last night and nothings changed today
21:19.52JeffMprobably an ISP or router thing
21:19.56bz85Firewall and net connection settings havent been edited since last nighy :(
21:20.07JeffMthen it's probably an ISP or route setting
21:20.32bz85pertaining to ports?
21:20.43JeffMsomething is preventing the UDP packets from getting to the server
21:20.47JeffMlots of things can do that
21:21.02JeffMlots of things that are outside your local network
21:21.31bz85Drat =\
21:21.33Winnytry rebooting your router/modem
21:21.37JeffMare you on wireless?
21:21.47bz85No - Straight ethernet cable
21:22.01JeffMyeah a modem/router reboot can't hurt
21:22.19JeffMbut in general it's not a setting or anything on the software side
21:22.24JeffMwe always try to send out UDP packets
21:22.51bz85anyway i can "flush" my udp settings or clear any caching of it so to speak?
21:23.07bz85or does that come under the modem reboot?
21:23.09JeffMUDP isn't like web pages
21:23.14JeffMthey are not cached
21:23.17JeffMthey are network packets
21:23.26JeffMwe send them out and trust your network to deliver them
21:23.40bz85yeh.. the reverse the TCP
21:23.40JeffMand there are no "UDP settings"
21:23.46JeffMhuh?
21:24.01bz85incoming instead of outgoing packets
21:24.04JeffMno
21:24.15JeffMUDP packets go both way, just like TCP
21:24.23bz85ohhhhh
21:24.23JeffMthey are just connectionless and not ensured to arive
21:24.27JeffMthey are smaller and faster
21:24.49JeffMthat is why games use them
21:24.58bz85i see
21:25.14JeffMif one gets lost every so often it's fine, since we'll just send another with new postional data right after it
21:25.31JeffMwhere TCP would waste time trying to retransmit data that would be old by the time it got there.
21:25.50bz85k ill try modem reboot and if that dont help go nag my isp =S
21:26.02JeffMgood luck
21:26.05bz85Ty for help people! =)
21:26.13bz85and yeh - ill need it nagging ISP lol
21:26.22bz85have a good one!  thanks again
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21:52.55JeffMwow, he stuck around a while
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22:00.16Drummaster01hi
22:00.39JeffMhello
22:00.51Drummaster01i cant go on a certain server, but im not banned
22:00.57Drummaster01ni log onto it
22:01.00JeffMwhat does it say when you try?
22:01.12Drummaster01it just closes bzflag
22:01.19JeffMfun
22:01.29Drummaster01yup
22:01.32JeffMprobably smomething in the map your client dosn't like
22:01.35JeffMwhat OS are you on?
22:01.49Drummaster01ill check
22:02.00bradand what server are you trying?
22:02.12JeffMbets video driver
22:02.47Drummaster01mac os 9 i guess
22:03.00JeffMwe don't run on OS9
22:03.04JeffMyou are on a mac?
22:03.12Drummaster01yep
22:03.19JeffMwhat kind of mac?
22:03.21Drummaster01a mac-mini
22:03.31JeffMwhat version of OSX is it?
22:03.35Drummaster01oh its mac os x
22:03.38Drummaster01noh
22:03.41Drummaster01noh
22:03.45Drummaster01sry
22:03.48Drummaster01nummm
22:03.57Drummaster01sry im used to talking on bz
22:04.05Drummaster01ill check again
22:04.54JeffMis it a new mini or an old mini?
22:05.04Drummaster01new.
22:05.06Think_DifferentlApple -> About this Mac
22:05.08Drummaster01from...
22:05.14Drummaster01ok
22:05.16JeffMso it'd be 10.4 or 10.5 then
22:05.21Drummaster01i check AGAin
22:05.37Drummaster01oh yeah. 10.4
22:05.40Think_Differentlyeah, i don't think mini's were around when OS 10.3 was released.
22:05.52JeffMall intel macs have to run 104
22:05.58JeffMDrummaster01, what server is it?
22:06.08Drummaster01checking
22:07.28Drummaster010bzflag.selfip.net:5156
22:07.55JeffMwell more then likely that server just has something that triggers a bug in your video driver
22:07.59JeffMor a bug in bzflag.
22:08.02Drummaster01other servers are fint though
22:08.09JeffMthere isn't much you can do personaly to fix it
22:08.13Drummaster01oh
22:08.18Drummaster01ok
22:08.52Drummaster01this is the first time its ever happened though
22:09.00JeffMthe intel mini has an intel chipset and they arn't the best 3d cards ever
22:09.07JeffMDrummaster01, yeah it's probaly just something in that map
22:09.14Drummaster01ok
22:09.15JeffMpick another server and play :)
22:09.22Drummaster01thanks for the help
22:09.38Drummaster01pwn u latr
22:09.45JeffMno.. no you won't
22:09.53JeffMis unpwnable
22:11.19Winnydue to the fact you don't play ;)
22:12.48JeffMbest deffense is to never get attacked ;)
22:40.43Winnyhehe
22:41.51Winnylistens to the Wall-E soundtrack
22:46.42JeffMwell that server and map work fine for me
22:48.19Winnyhe might have a corrupt download in his cache or something
22:48.36JeffMit's a custom map, I still bet video
22:49.03Winnyif it's just that server chances are it's cache... most servers on the front page use some sort of 2.0 object or mesh
22:50.21JeffMperhaps
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22:57.05WinnyJeffM: you wouldn't happen to know how far burbank is from San Fran in terms of hours, would you?
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23:13.01CBGgoogle maps?
23:13.09JeffMWinny, 6 to 10
23:13.15Winnydarn
23:13.21JeffMdepending on lots of factors
23:13.26JeffMone is nocal one so socal
23:13.27JeffMwhy?
23:13.48WinnyWe were going to go to SF next year.. wanted to see how far it would be to get to the tonight show
23:13.49JeffMI've done the frisco run in 7 hours, but I was speeding
23:13.53blast007depends how fast you flap your arms
23:14.07JeffMif you flew, it'd be an hour flight
23:14.17termhnwhy cant i join #CoAM, IM a member of CoAM
23:14.18JeffMthere are MANY cheap flights from SF to burbank
23:14.25JeffMthe usualy run one an hour
23:14.42JeffMtermhn, because the webchat we provided for you does not go there
23:14.48JeffMyou need to use a real IRC client
23:14.59JeffMwe don't provide service for every bzflag team
23:15.47JeffMWinny, for example when Erroneous and I went to the Google summer of code sumit, we went from burbank to right near SF, and that was a flight
23:15.50termhnBig Bad Old Bucko said with pm that coam had an IRC
23:16.02blast007termhn: they do
23:16.04Winnytermhn, they do
23:16.13JeffMtermhn, you just can't use the web IRC client you are using now
23:16.15Winnyyou need to use a real IRC client, not webchat
23:16.16JeffMyou have to get your own
23:16.27JeffMthen one you are using is for bzflag offical stuff only
23:16.28JeffMnot teams
23:17.02termhnoh, i was using webchat
23:17.24blast007s/was/am/
23:19.31Winnywhat is this "coam" thing anyways?
23:19.43WinnyIt sounds like a public transport system
23:19.53JeffMthe coalition of american mapers, aperantly
23:20.01Winnylol, seriously?
23:20.05JeffMyep
23:20.16Winnywow, thought you were kidding
23:20.17blast007heh
23:20.19AHAtheir channel's topic: 'Welcome to #coam !!! The Community of American Map makers! See #BZFlag for details on the Game !!!'
23:20.22JeffMguess they ,make racist maps or something
23:20.34blast007:D
23:21.02Winnyno one from iran or north korea can play one them
23:21.13JeffMor mexico
23:21.14Winnys/one/on/
23:21.21AHAlol
23:21.25WinnyI tried
23:21.49AHAyou should have done s/one them/on them/ :D
23:22.39Winnytoo much typing
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23:24.47termhnIm using Xchat how do i join bzflag chat and coam
23:24.53Winnyno you're not
23:25.05Winnyyou're using webchat - we can see your hostmask
23:25.05JeffMyou are still on the webpage
23:25.24JeffMwith a real IRC l client, the webpage is not used at all
23:25.25termhni mean i have the program
23:25.34JeffMthe server is irc.freenode.net
23:25.44JeffMthen join #bzchat and #coam
23:25.45Winnyand /join #coam and #bzflag
23:25.47Winnygrr
23:25.48JeffMthey are channels
23:26.40Winnythey should probably use ##coam and not #coam in accordance to freenode rules but I doubt it'll be an issue
23:26.57JeffMyou'd have to ask the staff about it
23:28.38Winnywonders if SportChick is awake
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23:31.26terminator355are you guys gonna say anything
23:31.58CBGno
23:32.02JeffMwhy?
23:32.29terminator355cause arent we on chat
23:32.50JeffMthat dosn't mean it's a constant stream of chat
23:32.53WinnyIRC is not like AIM - many/most people are not here
23:33.27JeffMif you want to chat about something, say it and see who responds
23:33.35JeffMif anyone cares to
23:34.03terminator355yeah i know its just im bored and want something to do
23:34.16JeffMthat dosn't mean it is our job to entertain you
23:34.43terminator355i know i have a topic though
23:34.51JeffMumm ok
23:35.01terminator355how do you make roger bots
23:35.18JeffMlike how do you modify them?
23:36.07terminator355Im a noob and Im tired of dieing alot
23:36.44JeffMwhat are you asking? how to code a bot? or just start the autopilot?
23:36.44terminator355also i mean that how do you make the clients to make the roger bots with
23:36.57JeffMroger is the name of the bot that runs autopilot
23:37.02JeffMI think you are thinking of the -solo bots
23:37.04JeffMto play against
23:37.07Winnyroger is just a normal client with autopiliot, press 9 to activate it
23:37.29JeffMif you want bots to practice against, run the client with -solo N, where N is the number of bots, and join a local server
23:37.35terminator355what are the clients
23:37.38JeffMthen N bots will spawn with you and you can practice against them
23:37.42JeffMthe client is the game you run
23:37.43JeffMbzflag
23:37.56Winnynever join a public server with bots - people will be angry
23:38.21terminator355ive looked on the forums and i know that
23:38.46terminator355i guess youve answered my questions
23:38.53terminator355thanks
23:38.58JeffMsure
23:39.03JeffMwhat OS are you on?
23:39.09terminator355mac
23:39.23JeffMyou'll need to use the terminal to start the client with the -solo paramater
23:39.33terminator355x if thats what you want
23:39.53JeffMI know it's OSX, we don't run on anything else on a mac
23:40.00terminator355where do you put -solo x
23:40.10JeffMin the command line terminal in the OS
23:40.14terminator355x being the number
23:40.19JeffMyou have to run it like a linux program
23:40.26JeffMnot a double click thing
23:40.41Winny/Applications/BZFlag-2.0.10.app/Contents/MacOS/bzflag -solo x
23:40.55JeffMassuming that is where you have it
23:40.56terminator355yeah but like after the thing to bzflag or before
23:41.01JeffMno
23:41.03JeffMin the terminal
23:41.08JeffMnot in bzflag
23:41.19terminator355never mind
23:41.45terminator355thanks
23:42.43JeffMhow much do you know about the command line in your OS?
23:42.47JeffMcus that's what you have to use
23:43.02terminator355if i have it on my flash drive do i tipe desktop before /"drive name"
23:43.12JeffMthat I don't know
23:43.18JeffMI don't use macs much
23:43.27terminator355i mean /desktop
23:43.28JeffMyou'd have to look in the termal and see where the paths show up
23:43.45terminator355oh but thanks for the help
23:43.53JeffMit requires some knowledge about how your OS and computer work
23:44.02terminator355i have that
23:44.06CBGDrag something to the Terminal window to get it's path.
23:44.26terminator355oh i didnt know that thanks
23:45.00terminator355gtg
23:47.20CBGbye!!!!11 <3 <3
23:49.03Winnymiss u!
23:56.15CBGPMSL!!
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23:58.36termhnwhats the server for bzchat again
23:58.50CBGirc.freenode.net
23:59.10termhni couldnt remember irc sry
23:59.20termhnif i bothered you
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